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Posted to users@groovy.apache.org by Guillaume Laforge <gl...@gmail.com> on 2015/04/28 09:23:26 UTC
[ANN] Groovy Weekly #68
Hi all,
Another Tuesday, another Groovy Weekly edition!
http://glaforge.appspot.com/article/groovy-weekly-68
Please don't forget to *subscribe to the new mailing-lists
<http://www.groovy-lang.org/mailing-lists.html> at Apache*, as the user /
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the new address of JIRA and Git.
Keep on groovy-ing !!!
--
Guillaume Laforge
Groovy Project Manager
Product Ninja & Advocate at Restlet <http://restlet.com>
Blog: http://glaforge.appspot.com/
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Re: Groovy vs Java Performance (Was RE: [ANN] Groovy Weekly #68)
Posted by Owen Rubel <or...@gmail.com>.
ah there you go. Cedric's the man.
Owen Rubel
415-971-0976
orubel@gmail.com
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 9:12 AM, Cédric Champeau <ce...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> The title of the post is misleading. Guillaume never said that Groovy was
> faster than Java. It's not. At best it can be as fast as Java, and in some
> very particular situations faster (in some microbenchmarks), but it's a
> side effect of JIT'ing. I would certainly not say that Groovy is faster.
>
> 2015-05-11 18:07 GMT+02:00 Owen Rubel <or...@gmail.com>:
>
>> Well in the past, Groovy has been shown to be faster than Java at times
>> mainly because of it's compiler. So this is why I interpreted it this way
>> and why it may or may not be the case. And again why I would love to see
>> some stats on this.
>>
>> I mean we ALL know its faster for development, easier to learn,
>> convention over config... but now faster than Java??? That is just the
>> icing on the cake
>>
>> Owen Rubel
>> 415-971-0976
>> orubel@gmail.com
>>
>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 8:25 AM, Winnebeck, Jason <
>> Jason.Winnebeck@windstream.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I didn’t get that when I saw it. It’s a pretty major statement to make
>>> without anything behind it. The blog post references a video interview of
>>> Guillaume at devoxx, and I thought I only heard him say that the static
>>> compilation mode just makes it “as fast as Java” (which seems to be
>>> approximately true, except that the static mode I think still injects some
>>> Groovy-specific code normally not found in Java). But, the weekly post is
>>> on Guillaume’s blog so why would he mis-quote himself?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If it is true that Groovy is faster than Java anywhere I would be very
>>> interested in seeing these results or benchmarks as well.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Diverging only slightly, I don’t see how Groovy can beat Java in a
>>> general sense given that Groovy generates bytecode and Java and JVM are
>>> tuned to each other given Java is primary use case of bytecode and JVM, and
>>> also Groovy even in static compile mode can still do more work than Java
>>> (think like asType call for “casting”, and closures do have non-zero
>>> overhead compared to loop). However, I can see some potential wins against
>>> Java in the area of AST transformation where one could use AST
>>> transformation to do at compile time things one might do at Java runtime
>>> via reflection or aspects/proxies (example, commons-lang’s HashCodeBuilder
>>> using reflection versus EqualsAndHashCode AST), and for configuration which
>>> are compiled and run rather than “interpreting” XML or similar files.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jason
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Owen Rubel [mailto:orubel@gmail.com]
>>> *Sent:* Monday, May 11, 2015 10:34 AM
>>> *To:* users@groovy.incubator.apache.org
>>> *Subject:* Re: [ANN] Groovy Weekly #68
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Groovy now faster than Java on Android???! I want to shout this from the
>>> four corners of the earth! Are there benchmarks?
>>>
>>>
>>> Owen Rubel
>>> 415-971-0976
>>> orubel@gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 12:23 AM, Guillaume Laforge <gl...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Another Tuesday, another Groovy Weekly edition!
>>>
>>> http://glaforge.appspot.com/article/groovy-weekly-68
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please don't forget to *subscribe to the new mailing-lists
>>> <http://www.groovy-lang.org/mailing-lists.html> at Apache*, as the user
>>> / dev ones at Codehaus will be decommissioned in about two weeks. Also note
>>> the new address of JIRA and Git.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Keep on groovy-ing !!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Guillaume Laforge
>>> Groovy Project Manager
>>>
>>> Product Ninja & Advocate at Restlet <http://restlet.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Blog: http://glaforge.appspot.com/
>>>
>>> Social: @glaforge <http://twitter.com/glaforge> / Google+
>>> <https://plus.google.com/u/0/114130972232398734985/posts>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>
Re: Groovy vs Java Performance (Was RE: [ANN] Groovy Weekly #68)
Posted by Cédric Champeau <ce...@gmail.com>.
The title of the post is misleading. Guillaume never said that Groovy was
faster than Java. It's not. At best it can be as fast as Java, and in some
very particular situations faster (in some microbenchmarks), but it's a
side effect of JIT'ing. I would certainly not say that Groovy is faster.
2015-05-11 18:07 GMT+02:00 Owen Rubel <or...@gmail.com>:
> Well in the past, Groovy has been shown to be faster than Java at times
> mainly because of it's compiler. So this is why I interpreted it this way
> and why it may or may not be the case. And again why I would love to see
> some stats on this.
>
> I mean we ALL know its faster for development, easier to learn, convention
> over config... but now faster than Java??? That is just the icing on the
> cake
>
> Owen Rubel
> 415-971-0976
> orubel@gmail.com
>
> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 8:25 AM, Winnebeck, Jason <
> Jason.Winnebeck@windstream.com> wrote:
>
>> I didn’t get that when I saw it. It’s a pretty major statement to make
>> without anything behind it. The blog post references a video interview of
>> Guillaume at devoxx, and I thought I only heard him say that the static
>> compilation mode just makes it “as fast as Java” (which seems to be
>> approximately true, except that the static mode I think still injects some
>> Groovy-specific code normally not found in Java). But, the weekly post is
>> on Guillaume’s blog so why would he mis-quote himself?
>>
>>
>>
>> If it is true that Groovy is faster than Java anywhere I would be very
>> interested in seeing these results or benchmarks as well.
>>
>>
>>
>> Diverging only slightly, I don’t see how Groovy can beat Java in a
>> general sense given that Groovy generates bytecode and Java and JVM are
>> tuned to each other given Java is primary use case of bytecode and JVM, and
>> also Groovy even in static compile mode can still do more work than Java
>> (think like asType call for “casting”, and closures do have non-zero
>> overhead compared to loop). However, I can see some potential wins against
>> Java in the area of AST transformation where one could use AST
>> transformation to do at compile time things one might do at Java runtime
>> via reflection or aspects/proxies (example, commons-lang’s HashCodeBuilder
>> using reflection versus EqualsAndHashCode AST), and for configuration which
>> are compiled and run rather than “interpreting” XML or similar files.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jason
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Owen Rubel [mailto:orubel@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Monday, May 11, 2015 10:34 AM
>> *To:* users@groovy.incubator.apache.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [ANN] Groovy Weekly #68
>>
>>
>>
>> Groovy now faster than Java on Android???! I want to shout this from the
>> four corners of the earth! Are there benchmarks?
>>
>>
>> Owen Rubel
>> 415-971-0976
>> orubel@gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 12:23 AM, Guillaume Laforge <gl...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>>
>> Another Tuesday, another Groovy Weekly edition!
>>
>> http://glaforge.appspot.com/article/groovy-weekly-68
>>
>>
>>
>> Please don't forget to *subscribe to the new mailing-lists
>> <http://www.groovy-lang.org/mailing-lists.html> at Apache*, as the user
>> / dev ones at Codehaus will be decommissioned in about two weeks. Also note
>> the new address of JIRA and Git.
>>
>>
>>
>> Keep on groovy-ing !!!
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Guillaume Laforge
>> Groovy Project Manager
>>
>> Product Ninja & Advocate at Restlet <http://restlet.com>
>>
>>
>>
>> Blog: http://glaforge.appspot.com/
>>
>> Social: @glaforge <http://twitter.com/glaforge> / Google+
>> <https://plus.google.com/u/0/114130972232398734985/posts>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> This email message and any attachments are for the sole use of the
>> intended recipient(s). Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or
>> distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please
>> contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original
>> message and any attachments.
>>
>
>
Re: Groovy vs Java Performance (Was RE: [ANN] Groovy Weekly #68)
Posted by Owen Rubel <or...@gmail.com>.
Well in the past, Groovy has been shown to be faster than Java at times
mainly because of it's compiler. So this is why I interpreted it this way
and why it may or may not be the case. And again why I would love to see
some stats on this.
I mean we ALL know its faster for development, easier to learn, convention
over config... but now faster than Java??? That is just the icing on the
cake
Owen Rubel
415-971-0976
orubel@gmail.com
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 8:25 AM, Winnebeck, Jason <
Jason.Winnebeck@windstream.com> wrote:
> I didn’t get that when I saw it. It’s a pretty major statement to make
> without anything behind it. The blog post references a video interview of
> Guillaume at devoxx, and I thought I only heard him say that the static
> compilation mode just makes it “as fast as Java” (which seems to be
> approximately true, except that the static mode I think still injects some
> Groovy-specific code normally not found in Java). But, the weekly post is
> on Guillaume’s blog so why would he mis-quote himself?
>
>
>
> If it is true that Groovy is faster than Java anywhere I would be very
> interested in seeing these results or benchmarks as well.
>
>
>
> Diverging only slightly, I don’t see how Groovy can beat Java in a general
> sense given that Groovy generates bytecode and Java and JVM are tuned to
> each other given Java is primary use case of bytecode and JVM, and also
> Groovy even in static compile mode can still do more work than Java (think
> like asType call for “casting”, and closures do have non-zero overhead
> compared to loop). However, I can see some potential wins against Java in
> the area of AST transformation where one could use AST transformation to do
> at compile time things one might do at Java runtime via reflection or
> aspects/proxies (example, commons-lang’s HashCodeBuilder using reflection
> versus EqualsAndHashCode AST), and for configuration which are compiled and
> run rather than “interpreting” XML or similar files.
>
>
>
> Jason
>
>
>
> *From:* Owen Rubel [mailto:orubel@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, May 11, 2015 10:34 AM
> *To:* users@groovy.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: [ANN] Groovy Weekly #68
>
>
>
> Groovy now faster than Java on Android???! I want to shout this from the
> four corners of the earth! Are there benchmarks?
>
>
> Owen Rubel
> 415-971-0976
> orubel@gmail.com
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 12:23 AM, Guillaume Laforge <gl...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> Another Tuesday, another Groovy Weekly edition!
>
> http://glaforge.appspot.com/article/groovy-weekly-68
>
>
>
> Please don't forget to *subscribe to the new mailing-lists
> <http://www.groovy-lang.org/mailing-lists.html> at Apache*, as the user /
> dev ones at Codehaus will be decommissioned in about two weeks. Also note
> the new address of JIRA and Git.
>
>
>
> Keep on groovy-ing !!!
>
>
>
> --
>
> Guillaume Laforge
> Groovy Project Manager
>
> Product Ninja & Advocate at Restlet <http://restlet.com>
>
>
>
> Blog: http://glaforge.appspot.com/
>
> Social: @glaforge <http://twitter.com/glaforge> / Google+
> <https://plus.google.com/u/0/114130972232398734985/posts>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> This email message and any attachments are for the sole use of the
> intended recipient(s). Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or
> distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please
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>
Groovy vs Java Performance (Was RE: [ANN] Groovy Weekly #68)
Posted by "Winnebeck, Jason" <Ja...@windstream.com>.
I didn’t get that when I saw it. It’s a pretty major statement to make without anything behind it. The blog post references a video interview of Guillaume at devoxx, and I thought I only heard him say that the static compilation mode just makes it “as fast as Java” (which seems to be approximately true, except that the static mode I think still injects some Groovy-specific code normally not found in Java). But, the weekly post is on Guillaume’s blog so why would he mis-quote himself?
If it is true that Groovy is faster than Java anywhere I would be very interested in seeing these results or benchmarks as well.
Diverging only slightly, I don’t see how Groovy can beat Java in a general sense given that Groovy generates bytecode and Java and JVM are tuned to each other given Java is primary use case of bytecode and JVM, and also Groovy even in static compile mode can still do more work than Java (think like asType call for “casting”, and closures do have non-zero overhead compared to loop). However, I can see some potential wins against Java in the area of AST transformation where one could use AST transformation to do at compile time things one might do at Java runtime via reflection or aspects/proxies (example, commons-lang’s HashCodeBuilder using reflection versus EqualsAndHashCode AST), and for configuration which are compiled and run rather than “interpreting” XML or similar files.
Jason
From: Owen Rubel [mailto:orubel@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 10:34 AM
To: users@groovy.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [ANN] Groovy Weekly #68
Groovy now faster than Java on Android???! I want to shout this from the four corners of the earth! Are there benchmarks?
Owen Rubel
415-971-0976
orubel@gmail.com<ma...@gmail.com>
On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 12:23 AM, Guillaume Laforge <gl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi all,
Another Tuesday, another Groovy Weekly edition!
http://glaforge.appspot.com/article/groovy-weekly-68
Please don't forget to subscribe to the new mailing-lists<http://www.groovy-lang.org/mailing-lists.html> at Apache, as the user / dev ones at Codehaus will be decommissioned in about two weeks. Also note the new address of JIRA and Git.
Keep on groovy-ing !!!
--
Guillaume Laforge
Groovy Project Manager
Product Ninja & Advocate at Restlet<http://restlet.com>
Blog: http://glaforge.appspot.com/
Social: @glaforge<http://twitter.com/glaforge> / Google+<https://plus.google.com/u/0/114130972232398734985/posts>
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Re: [ANN] Groovy Weekly #68
Posted by Owen Rubel <or...@gmail.com>.
Groovy now faster than Java on Android???! I want to shout this from the
four corners of the earth! Are there benchmarks?
Owen Rubel
415-971-0976
orubel@gmail.com
On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 12:23 AM, Guillaume Laforge <gl...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Another Tuesday, another Groovy Weekly edition!
> http://glaforge.appspot.com/article/groovy-weekly-68
>
> Please don't forget to *subscribe to the new mailing-lists
> <http://www.groovy-lang.org/mailing-lists.html> at Apache*, as the user /
> dev ones at Codehaus will be decommissioned in about two weeks. Also note
> the new address of JIRA and Git.
>
> Keep on groovy-ing !!!
>
> --
> Guillaume Laforge
> Groovy Project Manager
> Product Ninja & Advocate at Restlet <http://restlet.com>
>
> Blog: http://glaforge.appspot.com/
> Social: @glaforge <http://twitter.com/glaforge> / Google+
> <https://plus.google.com/u/0/114130972232398734985/posts>
>