Graduation?

[Kalle Korhonen <ka...@gmail.com>]

Hey amber devs, I've been following the project from the sidelines for
some time. There was a thread titled "Actively retiring projects (was:
Incubator Board Report November 2011)" on incubator-general, in which
it was said:
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 4:46 AM, Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 2010-05-09 Amber
> S: Somewhat active, not enough for a TLP.
> R: Ask for a graduation plan in next report.

I'm an Apache Shiro committer and we graduated with a small PMC (I was
the only new committer voted in after the incubation start and at
graduation time we only really had two active committers, though there
were more people with commit privileges and mentors stayed on the PMC
after graduation), so a small community alone is definitely not a
barrier for graduation. Following the list though, it seems that IP
clearance is actually a bigger obstacle for graduation at the moment,
is that correct? If that can be resolved, I'd encourage you to "just
graduate". However, if you think Jukka's statement above is correct
and you feel the community around Amber isn't "enough for a TLP", I
was thinking that Amber could also find a home as a sub-project of
Shiro. There's little overlap but the projects operate in the same
security space so it might work fine. Anyhow, just a thought - I
haven't brought this up with the rest of Shiro PMC yet since it's
first and foremost your decision where you want your project to be
headed.

Kalle

Re: Graduation?

[Raymond Feng <en...@gmail.com>]

Graduating into a subproject of Shiro is an interesting option too. I think the community should explore and decide when time comes.

But first of all, we need to clear the IP issue ASAP so that we can start practicing releases using the Apache way before graduation.

Thanks,
Raymond

On Jan 17, 2012, at 12:49 AM, Tommaso Teofili wrote:

> Hi Kalle,
> 
> first of all, thanks for this, I was also monitoring that thread on
> general@and I agree we (Apache Amber) need to take some decision about
> project's
> future.
> The only obstacle I see is the IP stuff which is keeping us from being able
> to make a release, and thus could block our graduation.
> I don't know Shiro enough to say if the 'subproject way' could be just
> good, however I think that it would be worth inspecting, considering also
> that Amber PMC is not that big (and it looks that Shiro PMC is not big
> either).
> What do others think?
> 
> Thanks so much.
> Tommaso
> 
> p.s.:
> BTW: Lukasz, Maciej, any news (again) regarding the IP ?
> 
> 
> 
> 2012/1/16 Kalle Korhonen <ka...@gmail.com>
> 
>> Hey amber devs, I've been following the project from the sidelines for
>> some time. There was a thread titled "Actively retiring projects (was:
>> Incubator Board Report November 2011)" on incubator-general, in which
>> it was said:
>> On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 4:46 AM, Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> 2010-05-09 Amber
>>> S: Somewhat active, not enough for a TLP.
>>> R: Ask for a graduation plan in next report.
>> 
>> I'm an Apache Shiro committer and we graduated with a small PMC (I was
>> the only new committer voted in after the incubation start and at
>> graduation time we only really had two active committers, though there
>> were more people with commit privileges and mentors stayed on the PMC
>> after graduation), so a small community alone is definitely not a
>> barrier for graduation. Following the list though, it seems that IP
>> clearance is actually a bigger obstacle for graduation at the moment,
>> is that correct? If that can be resolved, I'd encourage you to "just
>> graduate". However, if you think Jukka's statement above is correct
>> and you feel the community around Amber isn't "enough for a TLP", I
>> was thinking that Amber could also find a home as a sub-project of
>> Shiro. There's little overlap but the projects operate in the same
>> security space so it might work fine. Anyhow, just a thought - I
>> haven't brought this up with the rest of Shiro PMC yet since it's
>> first and foremost your decision where you want your project to be
>> headed.
>> 
>> Kalle
>> 

Re: Graduation?

[Pid * <pi...@pidster.com>]

On 18 Jan 2012, at 07:53, Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> thanks for the interest on that project!!!
>
> I can only quote Tommaso on asserting that
>
> * IP is the blocking issue - deeply involved people are working on
> it, hope to get a reply ASAP (we could ping them directly anyway to
> get feedbacks)
>
> * we never made a release: this is something concerning the previous point;

Yes, I agree with both of the above too.

I would be happy to approach the issue of IP myself, if our to local
committers would like assistance.


> * Shiro subproject is an option that really gets my interest, I am +1 on this

I am -0 myself. Having followed the incubator graduation thread too, I
think small project is no barrier to TLP.


p


>
> Thanks a lot Kalle!
> all the best, have a nice day,
> -Simo
>
> http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
> http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/
> http://twitter.com/simonetripodi
> http://www.99soft.org/
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 11:41 PM, Kalle Korhonen
> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 12:49 AM, Tommaso Teofili
>> <to...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Kalle,
>>> first of all, thanks for this, I was also monitoring that thread on
>>> general@and I agree we (Apache Amber) need to take some decision about
>>> project's
>>> future.
>>
>> No problem, just giving it as an option - I'd hate that you'd get
>> stuck in incubator, not realizing there are alternative ways to
>> graduate.
>>
>>> The only obstacle I see is the IP stuff which is keeping us from being able
>>> to make a release, and thus could block our graduation.
>>> I don't know Shiro enough to say if the 'subproject way' could be just
>>> good, however I think that it would be worth inspecting, considering also
>>> that Amber PMC is not that big (and it looks that Shiro PMC is not big
>>> either).
>>> What do others think?
>>
>> Big it doesn't need to be. Is the project and community viable, or
>> self-governing, is the question. If you have three active members, you
>> should absolutely go for TLP. Whoever is active on the project right
>> now should make it a priority to get the IP resolved. Staying in the
>> incubator for too long can wear you out; I'm speaking from experience
>> :)
>>
>> Kalle

Re: Graduation?

[Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org>]

Hi all,

thanks for the interest on that project!!!

I can only quote Tommaso on asserting that

 * IP is the blocking issue - deeply involved people are working on
it, hope to get a reply ASAP (we could ping them directly anyway to
get feedbacks)

 * we never made a release: this is something concerning the previous point;

 * Shiro subproject is an option that really gets my interest, I am +1 on this

Thanks a lot Kalle!
all the best, have a nice day,
-Simo

http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/
http://twitter.com/simonetripodi
http://www.99soft.org/



On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 11:41 PM, Kalle Korhonen
<ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 12:49 AM, Tommaso Teofili
> <to...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Kalle,
>> first of all, thanks for this, I was also monitoring that thread on
>> general@and I agree we (Apache Amber) need to take some decision about
>> project's
>> future.
>
> No problem, just giving it as an option - I'd hate that you'd get
> stuck in incubator, not realizing there are alternative ways to
> graduate.
>
>> The only obstacle I see is the IP stuff which is keeping us from being able
>> to make a release, and thus could block our graduation.
>> I don't know Shiro enough to say if the 'subproject way' could be just
>> good, however I think that it would be worth inspecting, considering also
>> that Amber PMC is not that big (and it looks that Shiro PMC is not big
>> either).
>> What do others think?
>
> Big it doesn't need to be. Is the project and community viable, or
> self-governing, is the question. If you have three active members, you
> should absolutely go for TLP. Whoever is active on the project right
> now should make it a priority to get the IP resolved. Staying in the
> incubator for too long can wear you out; I'm speaking from experience
> :)
>
> Kalle

Re: Graduation?

[Kalle Korhonen <ka...@gmail.com>]

On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 12:49 AM, Tommaso Teofili
<to...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Kalle,
> first of all, thanks for this, I was also monitoring that thread on
> general@and I agree we (Apache Amber) need to take some decision about
> project's
> future.

No problem, just giving it as an option - I'd hate that you'd get
stuck in incubator, not realizing there are alternative ways to
graduate.

> The only obstacle I see is the IP stuff which is keeping us from being able
> to make a release, and thus could block our graduation.
> I don't know Shiro enough to say if the 'subproject way' could be just
> good, however I think that it would be worth inspecting, considering also
> that Amber PMC is not that big (and it looks that Shiro PMC is not big
> either).
> What do others think?

Big it doesn't need to be. Is the project and community viable, or
self-governing, is the question. If you have three active members, you
should absolutely go for TLP. Whoever is active on the project right
now should make it a priority to get the IP resolved. Staying in the
incubator for too long can wear you out; I'm speaking from experience
:)

Kalle

Re: Graduation?

[Tommaso Teofili <to...@gmail.com>]

Hi Kalle,

first of all, thanks for this, I was also monitoring that thread on
general@and I agree we (Apache Amber) need to take some decision about
project's
future.
The only obstacle I see is the IP stuff which is keeping us from being able
to make a release, and thus could block our graduation.
I don't know Shiro enough to say if the 'subproject way' could be just
good, however I think that it would be worth inspecting, considering also
that Amber PMC is not that big (and it looks that Shiro PMC is not big
either).
What do others think?

Thanks so much.
Tommaso

p.s.:
BTW: Lukasz, Maciej, any news (again) regarding the IP ?



2012/1/16 Kalle Korhonen <ka...@gmail.com>

> Hey amber devs, I've been following the project from the sidelines for
> some time. There was a thread titled "Actively retiring projects (was:
> Incubator Board Report November 2011)" on incubator-general, in which
> it was said:
> On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 4:46 AM, Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> 2010-05-09 Amber
> > S: Somewhat active, not enough for a TLP.
> > R: Ask for a graduation plan in next report.
>
> I'm an Apache Shiro committer and we graduated with a small PMC (I was
> the only new committer voted in after the incubation start and at
> graduation time we only really had two active committers, though there
> were more people with commit privileges and mentors stayed on the PMC
> after graduation), so a small community alone is definitely not a
> barrier for graduation. Following the list though, it seems that IP
> clearance is actually a bigger obstacle for graduation at the moment,
> is that correct? If that can be resolved, I'd encourage you to "just
> graduate". However, if you think Jukka's statement above is correct
> and you feel the community around Amber isn't "enough for a TLP", I
> was thinking that Amber could also find a home as a sub-project of
> Shiro. There's little overlap but the projects operate in the same
> security space so it might work fine. Anyhow, just a thought - I
> haven't brought this up with the rest of Shiro PMC yet since it's
> first and foremost your decision where you want your project to be
> headed.
>
> Kalle
>