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Posted to users@cocoon.apache.org by Ryan Hoegg <rh...@isisnetworks.net> on 2003/04/03 22:19:23 UTC
Content formats
Hi all,
I've been looking through the samples in 2.1 dev and all over the wiki
and the web, but have not found many good resources on XML web content
representation.
Perhaps I have missed something; if so, please point me to it.
In my travels, I have found several formats in use:
- document-v10.dtd, which I fouind in src\documentation\xdocs\dtd, was
designed for software documentation
- Docbook seems to be too geared towards actual books and manuals such
as at http://www.tldp.org. Web pages don't really have chapters.
- Aurigadoc seems to be geared towards help files
Many cocoon samples use no DTD or schema declaration and start from a
<page/> element. There seem to be some common tags used in this format,
but I can't find much about it.
What format do seasoned Cocoon people use to represent web content?
That is, when the choice isn't made for them because of pre-existing
content.
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Re: Content formats
Posted by Joe Williams <jo...@mindspring.com>.
Studying the DocBook DTD and XSLs can be instructional, as well, for rolling
your own.
DITA seems to be developed specifically to move away from the "book
paradigm" for creating information products.
You can read about it and download the DTDs and XSLs from IBM. Info at the
links.
Joe
http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-dita1/#h1
http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-dita2/
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Re: Content formats
Posted by Ryan Hoegg <rh...@isisnetworks.net>.
Hi,
I've been looking over the suggestions, and they seem to be pretty much
what I was looking for.
I understand now why someone suggested XHTML. However, there is way too
much styling possible in XHTML. I need a content format that somewhat
encourages authors not to put style elements such as font or hr in their
content.
It seems that the Maven xdoc format and the Cocoon document-10 format
have a lot in common. Cocoon has a <header/> element while xdoc puts
header content in the document root outside of the <body/>. Cocoon has
<s1/> through <s4/>, xdoc has <section/> and <subsection/>.
DITA looks fascinating. So far it looks like everything I might want.
It is a lot to absorb, but I'll ping the list back after I absorb some
of it.
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Ryan Hoegg
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Steve Crossan wrote:
>How about the xdoc format used by Maven and Anakia ?
>
>http://jakarta.apache.org/site/jakarta-site-tags.html
>
>Steve
>
>http://www.runtime-collective.com
>t: 01273 234290
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>m: 0789 984 1684
>
>On Thu, 3 Apr 2003, Alex Romayev wrote:
>
>
>
>>I haven't seen/used any standardised page layout
>>formats. I'm using Cocoon's portal framework and I
>>like/use their idea of spliting the page into
>>independent coplets (sometimes known as portlets). I
>>know it's not much, but it's a good start and I'm
>>actually enjoying some nice benefits. What I've also
>>done was to make heavy use of CSS2, so that the look
>>and positioning of each coplet can be controlled
>>externally.
>>
>>-Alex
>>
>>--- Tony Collen <tc...@neuagency.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Thu, 3 Apr 2003, Ryan Hoegg wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>><snip/>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>What format do seasoned Cocoon people use to
>>>>
>>>>
>>>represent web content?
>>>
>>>
>>>> That is, when the choice isn't made for them
>>>>
>>>>
>>>because of pre-existing
>>>
>>>
>>>>content.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>XHTML, of course. At least, when I'm writing suff
>>>that will probably
>>>just go on the web. Either that, or I'll invent my
>>>own DTD on the fly.
>>>
>>>With respect to document-1.0, that's the format the
>>>current Cocoon
>>>documents are in right now.
>>>
>>>
>>>Tony
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>Tony Collen
>>>ICQ: 12410567
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>>>http://manero.org/weblog/
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Re: Content formats
Posted by Steve Crossan <st...@runtime-collective.com>.
How about the xdoc format used by Maven and Anakia ?
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/jakarta-site-tags.html
Steve
http://www.runtime-collective.com
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On Thu, 3 Apr 2003, Alex Romayev wrote:
> I haven't seen/used any standardised page layout
> formats. I'm using Cocoon's portal framework and I
> like/use their idea of spliting the page into
> independent coplets (sometimes known as portlets). I
> know it's not much, but it's a good start and I'm
> actually enjoying some nice benefits. What I've also
> done was to make heavy use of CSS2, so that the look
> and positioning of each coplet can be controlled
> externally.
>
> -Alex
>
> --- Tony Collen <tc...@neuagency.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, 3 Apr 2003, Ryan Hoegg wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > <snip/>
> >
> >
> > > What format do seasoned Cocoon people use to
> > represent web content?
> > > That is, when the choice isn't made for them
> > because of pre-existing
> > > content.
> >
> > XHTML, of course. At least, when I'm writing suff
> > that will probably
> > just go on the web. Either that, or I'll invent my
> > own DTD on the fly.
> >
> > With respect to document-1.0, that's the format the
> > current Cocoon
> > documents are in right now.
> >
> >
> > Tony
> >
> >
> > --
> > Tony Collen
> > ICQ: 12410567
> > --
> > Cocoon: Internet Glue (A Cocoon Weblog)
> > http://manero.org/weblog/
> > --
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Content formats
Posted by Alex Romayev <ro...@yahoo.com>.
I haven't seen/used any standardised page layout
formats. I'm using Cocoon's portal framework and I
like/use their idea of spliting the page into
independent coplets (sometimes known as portlets). I
know it's not much, but it's a good start and I'm
actually enjoying some nice benefits. What I've also
done was to make heavy use of CSS2, so that the look
and positioning of each coplet can be controlled
externally.
-Alex
--- Tony Collen <tc...@neuagency.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Apr 2003, Ryan Hoegg wrote:
>
>
>
> <snip/>
>
>
> > What format do seasoned Cocoon people use to
> represent web content?
> > That is, when the choice isn't made for them
> because of pre-existing
> > content.
>
> XHTML, of course. At least, when I'm writing suff
> that will probably
> just go on the web. Either that, or I'll invent my
> own DTD on the fly.
>
> With respect to document-1.0, that's the format the
> current Cocoon
> documents are in right now.
>
>
> Tony
>
>
> --
> Tony Collen
> ICQ: 12410567
> --
> Cocoon: Internet Glue (A Cocoon Weblog)
> http://manero.org/weblog/
> --
>
>
>
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Re: Content formats
Posted by Tony Collen <tc...@neuagency.com>.
On Thu, 3 Apr 2003, Ryan Hoegg wrote:
<snip/>
> What format do seasoned Cocoon people use to represent web content?
> That is, when the choice isn't made for them because of pre-existing
> content.
XHTML, of course. At least, when I'm writing suff that will probably
just go on the web. Either that, or I'll invent my own DTD on the fly.
With respect to document-1.0, that's the format the current Cocoon
documents are in right now.
Tony
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ICQ: 12410567
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