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service-jar.xml and openejb-jar.xml

Hi guys,

I am writing a document about how to configure Apache TomEE. I have almost
finished but I have one question related to two configuration files that I
have not found so much information. These files are service-jar.xml and
openejb-jar.xml.

For the first one I have read the one provided by Apache TomEE and I
understand exactly the purpose of that file. But I am not pretty sure why
this file should worry final user, I mean now I cannot imagine a use case
where final user may require to create its own service-jar.xml.

On the other side there is openejb-jar.xml, probably because I have always
used annotations approach and not required really complex logic I have
never used this file. What is exactly its purpose?

Thanks

Alex.

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Re: service-jar.xml and openejb-jar.xml

Posted by Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>.
pojo-deployment: similar to ejb-deployment but for other managed bean. ATM
mainly only jaxrs configuration but potentially CDI (surely a bad exemple
today but makes thing explicit hopefully)

query: mainly for cmp (so not that important), it is to be able to add
queries without changing existing openejb-jar.xml. Think at some point we
maybe used it to backed cmp by jpa but today it is no more the case



Romain Manni-Bucau
Twitter: @rmannibucau
Blog: http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/
LinkedIn: http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau
Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau


2014-07-23 13:17 GMT+02:00 Alex Soto <as...@gmail.com>:

> Also I am wondering what is the purpose of having query element in
> openejb-jar.xml, if queries are defined in ejb-jar.xml, why you should
> define in openejb-jar.xml? I mean I can understand other tags for mapping
> ejbs to container but in case of queries I don not see the advantage.
>
>
> 2014-07-23 13:10 GMT+02:00 Alex Soto <as...@gmail.com>:
>
> > One question which I have not seen any documentation about it, what is
> the
> > purpose of pojo-deployment element in openejb.jar.xml file?
> >
> >
> > 2014-07-22 17:06 GMT+02:00 Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>:
> >
> > openejb-jar.xml is important. service-jar is not that much for a everyday
> >> manual (nice as advanced knowledge)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Romain Manni-Bucau
> >> Twitter: @rmannibucau
> >> Blog: http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/
> >> LinkedIn: http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau
> >> Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau
> >>
> >>
> >> 2014-07-22 15:51 GMT+02:00 Alex Soto <as...@gmail.com>:
> >>
> >> > I found this
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> https://github.com/apache/tomee/blob/trunk/container/openejb-core/src/main/resources/schema/openejb-jar.xsd
> >> > but I was wondering for something more like manual. But of course I
> can
> >> use
> >> > it as well.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > 2014-07-22 15:47 GMT+02:00 Alex Soto <as...@gmail.com>:
> >> >
> >> > > So do you think I may skip explaining both, or only server-jar?
> Where
> >> I
> >> > > can find more info of openejb-jar.xml?
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > 2014-07-22 15:03 GMT+02:00 Romain Manni-Bucau <
> rmannibucau@gmail.com
> >> >:
> >> > >
> >> > > Hi
> >> > >>
> >> > >> today service-jar shouldn't be seen by the user anymore (it was
> >> before
> >> > we
> >> > >> support class-name and few other tags on <Resource />)
> >> > >>
> >> > >> openejb-jar.xml main goal is to complete ejb-jar.xml for ejb config
> >> and
> >> > >> for
> >> > >> jaxrs for instance configure the application (cxf specific config
> >> mainly
> >> > >> or
> >> > >> provider configuration if you don't use auto scanning or
> programmatic
> >> > >> solution)
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Romain Manni-Bucau
> >> > >> Twitter: @rmannibucau
> >> > >> Blog: http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/
> >> > >> LinkedIn: http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau
> >> > >> Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> 2014-07-22 13:52 GMT+02:00 Alex Soto <as...@gmail.com>:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> > Hi guys,
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > I am writing a document about how to configure Apache TomEE. I
> have
> >> > >> almost
> >> > >> > finished but I have one question related to two configuration
> files
> >> > >> that I
> >> > >> > have not found so much information. These files are
> service-jar.xml
> >> > and
> >> > >> > openejb-jar.xml.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > For the first one I have read the one provided by Apache TomEE
> and
> >> I
> >> > >> > understand exactly the purpose of that file. But I am not pretty
> >> sure
> >> > >> why
> >> > >> > this file should worry final user, I mean now I cannot imagine a
> >> use
> >> > >> case
> >> > >> > where final user may require to create its own service-jar.xml.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > On the other side there is openejb-jar.xml, probably because I
> have
> >> > >> always
> >> > >> > used annotations approach and not required really complex logic I
> >> have
> >> > >> > never used this file. What is exactly its purpose?
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Thanks
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Alex.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > --
> >> > >> > +----------------------------------------------------------+
> >> > >> >   Alex Soto Bueno
> >> > >> >   www.lordofthejars.com
> >> > >> > +----------------------------------------------------------+
> >> > >> >
> >> > >>
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > +----------------------------------------------------------+
> >> > >   Alex Soto Bueno - Computer Engineer
> >> > >   www.lordofthejars.com
> >> > > +----------------------------------------------------------+
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > +----------------------------------------------------------+
> >> >   Alex Soto Bueno - Computer Engineer
> >> >   www.lordofthejars.com
> >> > +----------------------------------------------------------+
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > +----------------------------------------------------------+
> >   Alex Soto Bueno - Computer Engineer
> >   www.lordofthejars.com
> > +----------------------------------------------------------+
> >
>
>
>
> --
> +----------------------------------------------------------+
>   Alex Soto Bueno - Computer Engineer
>   www.lordofthejars.com
> +----------------------------------------------------------+
>

Re: service-jar.xml and openejb-jar.xml

Posted by Alex Soto <as...@gmail.com>.
Also I am wondering what is the purpose of having query element in
openejb-jar.xml, if queries are defined in ejb-jar.xml, why you should
define in openejb-jar.xml? I mean I can understand other tags for mapping
ejbs to container but in case of queries I don not see the advantage.


2014-07-23 13:10 GMT+02:00 Alex Soto <as...@gmail.com>:

> One question which I have not seen any documentation about it, what is the
> purpose of pojo-deployment element in openejb.jar.xml file?
>
>
> 2014-07-22 17:06 GMT+02:00 Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>:
>
> openejb-jar.xml is important. service-jar is not that much for a everyday
>> manual (nice as advanced knowledge)
>>
>>
>>
>> Romain Manni-Bucau
>> Twitter: @rmannibucau
>> Blog: http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/
>> LinkedIn: http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau
>> Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau
>>
>>
>> 2014-07-22 15:51 GMT+02:00 Alex Soto <as...@gmail.com>:
>>
>> > I found this
>> >
>> >
>> https://github.com/apache/tomee/blob/trunk/container/openejb-core/src/main/resources/schema/openejb-jar.xsd
>> > but I was wondering for something more like manual. But of course I can
>> use
>> > it as well.
>> >
>> >
>> > 2014-07-22 15:47 GMT+02:00 Alex Soto <as...@gmail.com>:
>> >
>> > > So do you think I may skip explaining both, or only server-jar? Where
>> I
>> > > can find more info of openejb-jar.xml?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 2014-07-22 15:03 GMT+02:00 Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibucau@gmail.com
>> >:
>> > >
>> > > Hi
>> > >>
>> > >> today service-jar shouldn't be seen by the user anymore (it was
>> before
>> > we
>> > >> support class-name and few other tags on <Resource />)
>> > >>
>> > >> openejb-jar.xml main goal is to complete ejb-jar.xml for ejb config
>> and
>> > >> for
>> > >> jaxrs for instance configure the application (cxf specific config
>> mainly
>> > >> or
>> > >> provider configuration if you don't use auto scanning or programmatic
>> > >> solution)
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Romain Manni-Bucau
>> > >> Twitter: @rmannibucau
>> > >> Blog: http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/
>> > >> LinkedIn: http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau
>> > >> Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> 2014-07-22 13:52 GMT+02:00 Alex Soto <as...@gmail.com>:
>> > >>
>> > >> > Hi guys,
>> > >> >
>> > >> > I am writing a document about how to configure Apache TomEE. I have
>> > >> almost
>> > >> > finished but I have one question related to two configuration files
>> > >> that I
>> > >> > have not found so much information. These files are service-jar.xml
>> > and
>> > >> > openejb-jar.xml.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > For the first one I have read the one provided by Apache TomEE and
>> I
>> > >> > understand exactly the purpose of that file. But I am not pretty
>> sure
>> > >> why
>> > >> > this file should worry final user, I mean now I cannot imagine a
>> use
>> > >> case
>> > >> > where final user may require to create its own service-jar.xml.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > On the other side there is openejb-jar.xml, probably because I have
>> > >> always
>> > >> > used annotations approach and not required really complex logic I
>> have
>> > >> > never used this file. What is exactly its purpose?
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Thanks
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Alex.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > --
>> > >> > +----------------------------------------------------------+
>> > >> >   Alex Soto Bueno
>> > >> >   www.lordofthejars.com
>> > >> > +----------------------------------------------------------+
>> > >> >
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > +----------------------------------------------------------+
>> > >   Alex Soto Bueno - Computer Engineer
>> > >   www.lordofthejars.com
>> > > +----------------------------------------------------------+
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > +----------------------------------------------------------+
>> >   Alex Soto Bueno - Computer Engineer
>> >   www.lordofthejars.com
>> > +----------------------------------------------------------+
>> >
>>
>
>
>
> --
> +----------------------------------------------------------+
>   Alex Soto Bueno - Computer Engineer
>   www.lordofthejars.com
> +----------------------------------------------------------+
>



-- 
+----------------------------------------------------------+
  Alex Soto Bueno - Computer Engineer
  www.lordofthejars.com
+----------------------------------------------------------+

Re: service-jar.xml and openejb-jar.xml

Posted by Alex Soto <as...@gmail.com>.
One question which I have not seen any documentation about it, what is the
purpose of pojo-deployment element in openejb.jar.xml file?


2014-07-22 17:06 GMT+02:00 Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>:

> openejb-jar.xml is important. service-jar is not that much for a everyday
> manual (nice as advanced knowledge)
>
>
>
> Romain Manni-Bucau
> Twitter: @rmannibucau
> Blog: http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/
> LinkedIn: http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau
> Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau
>
>
> 2014-07-22 15:51 GMT+02:00 Alex Soto <as...@gmail.com>:
>
> > I found this
> >
> >
> https://github.com/apache/tomee/blob/trunk/container/openejb-core/src/main/resources/schema/openejb-jar.xsd
> > but I was wondering for something more like manual. But of course I can
> use
> > it as well.
> >
> >
> > 2014-07-22 15:47 GMT+02:00 Alex Soto <as...@gmail.com>:
> >
> > > So do you think I may skip explaining both, or only server-jar? Where I
> > > can find more info of openejb-jar.xml?
> > >
> > >
> > > 2014-07-22 15:03 GMT+02:00 Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>:
> > >
> > > Hi
> > >>
> > >> today service-jar shouldn't be seen by the user anymore (it was before
> > we
> > >> support class-name and few other tags on <Resource />)
> > >>
> > >> openejb-jar.xml main goal is to complete ejb-jar.xml for ejb config
> and
> > >> for
> > >> jaxrs for instance configure the application (cxf specific config
> mainly
> > >> or
> > >> provider configuration if you don't use auto scanning or programmatic
> > >> solution)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Romain Manni-Bucau
> > >> Twitter: @rmannibucau
> > >> Blog: http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/
> > >> LinkedIn: http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau
> > >> Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> 2014-07-22 13:52 GMT+02:00 Alex Soto <as...@gmail.com>:
> > >>
> > >> > Hi guys,
> > >> >
> > >> > I am writing a document about how to configure Apache TomEE. I have
> > >> almost
> > >> > finished but I have one question related to two configuration files
> > >> that I
> > >> > have not found so much information. These files are service-jar.xml
> > and
> > >> > openejb-jar.xml.
> > >> >
> > >> > For the first one I have read the one provided by Apache TomEE and I
> > >> > understand exactly the purpose of that file. But I am not pretty
> sure
> > >> why
> > >> > this file should worry final user, I mean now I cannot imagine a use
> > >> case
> > >> > where final user may require to create its own service-jar.xml.
> > >> >
> > >> > On the other side there is openejb-jar.xml, probably because I have
> > >> always
> > >> > used annotations approach and not required really complex logic I
> have
> > >> > never used this file. What is exactly its purpose?
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks
> > >> >
> > >> > Alex.
> > >> >
> > >> > --
> > >> > +----------------------------------------------------------+
> > >> >   Alex Soto Bueno
> > >> >   www.lordofthejars.com
> > >> > +----------------------------------------------------------+
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > +----------------------------------------------------------+
> > >   Alex Soto Bueno - Computer Engineer
> > >   www.lordofthejars.com
> > > +----------------------------------------------------------+
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > +----------------------------------------------------------+
> >   Alex Soto Bueno - Computer Engineer
> >   www.lordofthejars.com
> > +----------------------------------------------------------+
> >
>



-- 
+----------------------------------------------------------+
  Alex Soto Bueno - Computer Engineer
  www.lordofthejars.com
+----------------------------------------------------------+

Re: service-jar.xml and openejb-jar.xml

Posted by Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>.
openejb-jar.xml is important. service-jar is not that much for a everyday
manual (nice as advanced knowledge)



Romain Manni-Bucau
Twitter: @rmannibucau
Blog: http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/
LinkedIn: http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau
Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau


2014-07-22 15:51 GMT+02:00 Alex Soto <as...@gmail.com>:

> I found this
>
> https://github.com/apache/tomee/blob/trunk/container/openejb-core/src/main/resources/schema/openejb-jar.xsd
> but I was wondering for something more like manual. But of course I can use
> it as well.
>
>
> 2014-07-22 15:47 GMT+02:00 Alex Soto <as...@gmail.com>:
>
> > So do you think I may skip explaining both, or only server-jar? Where I
> > can find more info of openejb-jar.xml?
> >
> >
> > 2014-07-22 15:03 GMT+02:00 Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>:
> >
> > Hi
> >>
> >> today service-jar shouldn't be seen by the user anymore (it was before
> we
> >> support class-name and few other tags on <Resource />)
> >>
> >> openejb-jar.xml main goal is to complete ejb-jar.xml for ejb config and
> >> for
> >> jaxrs for instance configure the application (cxf specific config mainly
> >> or
> >> provider configuration if you don't use auto scanning or programmatic
> >> solution)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Romain Manni-Bucau
> >> Twitter: @rmannibucau
> >> Blog: http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/
> >> LinkedIn: http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau
> >> Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau
> >>
> >>
> >> 2014-07-22 13:52 GMT+02:00 Alex Soto <as...@gmail.com>:
> >>
> >> > Hi guys,
> >> >
> >> > I am writing a document about how to configure Apache TomEE. I have
> >> almost
> >> > finished but I have one question related to two configuration files
> >> that I
> >> > have not found so much information. These files are service-jar.xml
> and
> >> > openejb-jar.xml.
> >> >
> >> > For the first one I have read the one provided by Apache TomEE and I
> >> > understand exactly the purpose of that file. But I am not pretty sure
> >> why
> >> > this file should worry final user, I mean now I cannot imagine a use
> >> case
> >> > where final user may require to create its own service-jar.xml.
> >> >
> >> > On the other side there is openejb-jar.xml, probably because I have
> >> always
> >> > used annotations approach and not required really complex logic I have
> >> > never used this file. What is exactly its purpose?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks
> >> >
> >> > Alex.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > +----------------------------------------------------------+
> >> >   Alex Soto Bueno
> >> >   www.lordofthejars.com
> >> > +----------------------------------------------------------+
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > +----------------------------------------------------------+
> >   Alex Soto Bueno - Computer Engineer
> >   www.lordofthejars.com
> > +----------------------------------------------------------+
> >
>
>
>
> --
> +----------------------------------------------------------+
>   Alex Soto Bueno - Computer Engineer
>   www.lordofthejars.com
> +----------------------------------------------------------+
>

Re: service-jar.xml and openejb-jar.xml

Posted by Alex Soto <as...@gmail.com>.
I found this
https://github.com/apache/tomee/blob/trunk/container/openejb-core/src/main/resources/schema/openejb-jar.xsd
but I was wondering for something more like manual. But of course I can use
it as well.


2014-07-22 15:47 GMT+02:00 Alex Soto <as...@gmail.com>:

> So do you think I may skip explaining both, or only server-jar? Where I
> can find more info of openejb-jar.xml?
>
>
> 2014-07-22 15:03 GMT+02:00 Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>:
>
> Hi
>>
>> today service-jar shouldn't be seen by the user anymore (it was before we
>> support class-name and few other tags on <Resource />)
>>
>> openejb-jar.xml main goal is to complete ejb-jar.xml for ejb config and
>> for
>> jaxrs for instance configure the application (cxf specific config mainly
>> or
>> provider configuration if you don't use auto scanning or programmatic
>> solution)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Romain Manni-Bucau
>> Twitter: @rmannibucau
>> Blog: http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/
>> LinkedIn: http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau
>> Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau
>>
>>
>> 2014-07-22 13:52 GMT+02:00 Alex Soto <as...@gmail.com>:
>>
>> > Hi guys,
>> >
>> > I am writing a document about how to configure Apache TomEE. I have
>> almost
>> > finished but I have one question related to two configuration files
>> that I
>> > have not found so much information. These files are service-jar.xml and
>> > openejb-jar.xml.
>> >
>> > For the first one I have read the one provided by Apache TomEE and I
>> > understand exactly the purpose of that file. But I am not pretty sure
>> why
>> > this file should worry final user, I mean now I cannot imagine a use
>> case
>> > where final user may require to create its own service-jar.xml.
>> >
>> > On the other side there is openejb-jar.xml, probably because I have
>> always
>> > used annotations approach and not required really complex logic I have
>> > never used this file. What is exactly its purpose?
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > Alex.
>> >
>> > --
>> > +----------------------------------------------------------+
>> >   Alex Soto Bueno
>> >   www.lordofthejars.com
>> > +----------------------------------------------------------+
>> >
>>
>
>
>
> --
> +----------------------------------------------------------+
>   Alex Soto Bueno - Computer Engineer
>   www.lordofthejars.com
> +----------------------------------------------------------+
>



-- 
+----------------------------------------------------------+
  Alex Soto Bueno - Computer Engineer
  www.lordofthejars.com
+----------------------------------------------------------+

Re: service-jar.xml and openejb-jar.xml

Posted by Alex Soto <as...@gmail.com>.
So do you think I may skip explaining both, or only server-jar? Where I can
find more info of openejb-jar.xml?


2014-07-22 15:03 GMT+02:00 Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>:

> Hi
>
> today service-jar shouldn't be seen by the user anymore (it was before we
> support class-name and few other tags on <Resource />)
>
> openejb-jar.xml main goal is to complete ejb-jar.xml for ejb config and for
> jaxrs for instance configure the application (cxf specific config mainly or
> provider configuration if you don't use auto scanning or programmatic
> solution)
>
>
>
>
> Romain Manni-Bucau
> Twitter: @rmannibucau
> Blog: http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/
> LinkedIn: http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau
> Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau
>
>
> 2014-07-22 13:52 GMT+02:00 Alex Soto <as...@gmail.com>:
>
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > I am writing a document about how to configure Apache TomEE. I have
> almost
> > finished but I have one question related to two configuration files that
> I
> > have not found so much information. These files are service-jar.xml and
> > openejb-jar.xml.
> >
> > For the first one I have read the one provided by Apache TomEE and I
> > understand exactly the purpose of that file. But I am not pretty sure why
> > this file should worry final user, I mean now I cannot imagine a use case
> > where final user may require to create its own service-jar.xml.
> >
> > On the other side there is openejb-jar.xml, probably because I have
> always
> > used annotations approach and not required really complex logic I have
> > never used this file. What is exactly its purpose?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Alex.
> >
> > --
> > +----------------------------------------------------------+
> >   Alex Soto Bueno
> >   www.lordofthejars.com
> > +----------------------------------------------------------+
> >
>



-- 
+----------------------------------------------------------+
  Alex Soto Bueno - Computer Engineer
  www.lordofthejars.com
+----------------------------------------------------------+

Re: service-jar.xml and openejb-jar.xml

Posted by Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>.
Hi

today service-jar shouldn't be seen by the user anymore (it was before we
support class-name and few other tags on <Resource />)

openejb-jar.xml main goal is to complete ejb-jar.xml for ejb config and for
jaxrs for instance configure the application (cxf specific config mainly or
provider configuration if you don't use auto scanning or programmatic
solution)




Romain Manni-Bucau
Twitter: @rmannibucau
Blog: http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/
LinkedIn: http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau
Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau


2014-07-22 13:52 GMT+02:00 Alex Soto <as...@gmail.com>:

> Hi guys,
>
> I am writing a document about how to configure Apache TomEE. I have almost
> finished but I have one question related to two configuration files that I
> have not found so much information. These files are service-jar.xml and
> openejb-jar.xml.
>
> For the first one I have read the one provided by Apache TomEE and I
> understand exactly the purpose of that file. But I am not pretty sure why
> this file should worry final user, I mean now I cannot imagine a use case
> where final user may require to create its own service-jar.xml.
>
> On the other side there is openejb-jar.xml, probably because I have always
> used annotations approach and not required really complex logic I have
> never used this file. What is exactly its purpose?
>
> Thanks
>
> Alex.
>
> --
> +----------------------------------------------------------+
>   Alex Soto Bueno
>   www.lordofthejars.com
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