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Posted to dev@calcite.apache.org by Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org> on 2015/09/02 02:48:49 UTC
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation
Let’s agree on the text of the motion before we start a vote. I propose the following text (see below).
If you are a committer, please:
1. Review the text.
2. Remove your name from the list, if you do NOT wish to remain a committer after graduation. (You can email me privately if you prefer.)
3. Send nominations for an initial Vice President. (This will replace the placeholder, "<TBD>”, in the text below.)
At Ted’s suggestion, I started a thread on the Incubator list asking a shepherd to review.
Julian
- - - - snip
WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public, related to parsing and planning queries on data in a wide variety of formats.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Calcite Project", be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
RESOLVED, that the Apache Calcite Project be and hereby is responsible for the creation and maintenance of software related to interactive analysis of large-scale datasets; and be it further RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Calcite" be and hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache Calcite Project, and to have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the scope of responsibility of the Apache Calcite Project; and be it further RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache Calcite Project:
* Alan Gates <gates at apache dot org>
* Aman Sinha <amansinha at apache dot org>
* Ashutosh Chauhan <hashutosh at apache dot org>
* Chris Wensel <cwensel at apache dot org>
* James R. Taylor <jamestaylor at apache dot org>
* Jacques Nadeau <jacques at apache dot org>
* Jesús Camacho Rodríguez <jcamacho at apache dot org>
* Jinfeng Ni <jni at apache dot org>
* John Pullokkaran <jpullokk at apache dot org>
* Julian Hyde <jhyde at apache dot org>
* Nick Dimiduk <ndimiduk at apache dot org>
* Steven Noels <stevenn at apache dot org>
* Ted Dunning <tdunning at apache dot org>
* Vladimir Sitnikov <vladimirsitnikov at apache dot org>
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that <TBD> be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Calcite, to serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
RESOLVED, that the Apache Calcite Project be and hereby is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator Calcite podling; and be it further
RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache Incubator Calcite podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator Project are hereafter discharged.
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation
Posted by Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org>.
I gather it needs to be a description of the problem area but it's
impossible to nail down everything in one sentence. For comparison,
Drill's motion said "... related to interactive analysis of
large-scale datasets".
So I actually just took the first sentence of Calcite's project
description from the project status page[2].
A good topic for another thread would be "what is Calcite's
positioning?" How do we describe Calcite in a phrase, a sentence, or a
paragraph? Do we emphasize its SQL compliance or - my preference - its
support for a variety of front-end languages and back-end engines via
an intermediate algebra. The web site[3] is my attempt to boil it down
to 3 bullet points.
[1] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201410.mbox/%3CCAJkA4MGWatvihxMftAe6jnLQd-TTS9CejU9kKxT-87P_s9jk1Q@mail.gmail.com%3E
[2] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/calcite.html
[3] http://calcite.incubator.apache.org/
On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Aman Sinha <as...@maprtech.com> wrote:
> Overall looks good. Couple of comments: Should 'related to parsing and
> planning queries' be
> broader to cover not just queries but DDL statements and APIs such as JDBC ?
> There's no mention of SQL anywhere... is that intentional ?
>
> Aman
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 5:48 PM, Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Let’s agree on the text of the motion before we start a vote. I propose
>> the following text (see below).
>>
>> If you are a committer, please:
>>
>> 1. Review the text.
>>
>> 2. Remove your name from the list, if you do NOT wish to remain a
>> committer after graduation. (You can email me privately if you prefer.)
>>
>> 3. Send nominations for an initial Vice President. (This will replace the
>> placeholder, "<TBD>”, in the text below.)
>>
>> At Ted’s suggestion, I started a thread on the Incubator list asking a
>> shepherd to review.
>>
>> Julian
>>
>>
>> - - - - snip
>>
>>
>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
>> the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish a
>> Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
>> open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public, related
>> to parsing and planning queries on data in a wide variety of formats.
>>
>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee (PMC),
>> to be known as the "Apache Calcite Project", be and hereby is established
>> pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
>>
>> RESOLVED, that the Apache Calcite Project be and hereby is responsible for
>> the creation and maintenance of software related to interactive analysis of
>> large-scale datasets; and be it further RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice
>> President, Apache Calcite" be and hereby is created, the person holding
>> such office to serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the
>> chair of the Apache Calcite Project, and to have primary responsibility for
>> management of the projects within the scope of responsibility of the Apache
>> Calcite Project; and be it further RESOLVED, that the persons listed
>> immediately below be and hereby are appointed to serve as the initial
>> members of the Apache Calcite Project:
>>
>> * Alan Gates <gates at apache dot org>
>> * Aman Sinha <amansinha at apache dot org>
>> * Ashutosh Chauhan <hashutosh at apache dot org>
>> * Chris Wensel <cwensel at apache dot org>
>> * James R. Taylor <jamestaylor at apache dot org>
>> * Jacques Nadeau <jacques at apache dot org>
>> * Jesús Camacho Rodríguez <jcamacho at apache dot org>
>> * Jinfeng Ni <jni at apache dot org>
>> * John Pullokkaran <jpullokk at apache dot org>
>> * Julian Hyde <jhyde at apache dot org>
>> * Nick Dimiduk <ndimiduk at apache dot org>
>> * Steven Noels <stevenn at apache dot org>
>> * Ted Dunning <tdunning at apache dot org>
>> * Vladimir Sitnikov <vladimirsitnikov at apache dot org>
>>
>>
>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that <TBD> be appointed to the
>> office of Vice President, Apache Calcite, to serve in accordance with and
>> subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the
>> Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or
>> disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>>
>> RESOLVED, that the Apache Calcite Project be and hereby is tasked with the
>> migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator Calcite podling; and
>> be it further
>>
>> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache Incubator
>> Calcite podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator Project are hereafter
>> discharged.
>>
>> - - - -
>>
>>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation
Posted by Aman Sinha <as...@maprtech.com>.
Overall looks good. Couple of comments: Should 'related to parsing and
planning queries' be
broader to cover not just queries but DDL statements and APIs such as JDBC ?
There's no mention of SQL anywhere... is that intentional ?
Aman
On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 5:48 PM, Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org> wrote:
> Let’s agree on the text of the motion before we start a vote. I propose
> the following text (see below).
>
> If you are a committer, please:
>
> 1. Review the text.
>
> 2. Remove your name from the list, if you do NOT wish to remain a
> committer after graduation. (You can email me privately if you prefer.)
>
> 3. Send nominations for an initial Vice President. (This will replace the
> placeholder, "<TBD>”, in the text below.)
>
> At Ted’s suggestion, I started a thread on the Incubator list asking a
> shepherd to review.
>
> Julian
>
>
> - - - - snip
>
>
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
> the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish a
> Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public, related
> to parsing and planning queries on data in a wide variety of formats.
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee (PMC),
> to be known as the "Apache Calcite Project", be and hereby is established
> pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache Calcite Project be and hereby is responsible for
> the creation and maintenance of software related to interactive analysis of
> large-scale datasets; and be it further RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice
> President, Apache Calcite" be and hereby is created, the person holding
> such office to serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the
> chair of the Apache Calcite Project, and to have primary responsibility for
> management of the projects within the scope of responsibility of the Apache
> Calcite Project; and be it further RESOLVED, that the persons listed
> immediately below be and hereby are appointed to serve as the initial
> members of the Apache Calcite Project:
>
> * Alan Gates <gates at apache dot org>
> * Aman Sinha <amansinha at apache dot org>
> * Ashutosh Chauhan <hashutosh at apache dot org>
> * Chris Wensel <cwensel at apache dot org>
> * James R. Taylor <jamestaylor at apache dot org>
> * Jacques Nadeau <jacques at apache dot org>
> * Jesús Camacho Rodríguez <jcamacho at apache dot org>
> * Jinfeng Ni <jni at apache dot org>
> * John Pullokkaran <jpullokk at apache dot org>
> * Julian Hyde <jhyde at apache dot org>
> * Nick Dimiduk <ndimiduk at apache dot org>
> * Steven Noels <stevenn at apache dot org>
> * Ted Dunning <tdunning at apache dot org>
> * Vladimir Sitnikov <vladimirsitnikov at apache dot org>
>
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that <TBD> be appointed to the
> office of Vice President, Apache Calcite, to serve in accordance with and
> subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the
> Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or
> disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache Calcite Project be and hereby is tasked with the
> migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator Calcite podling; and
> be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache Incubator
> Calcite podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator Project are hereafter
> discharged.
>
> - - - -
>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation
Posted by Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org>.
Now that this discussion has reached equilibrium I’ll start a vote.
Per the discussion:
* One person asked to be removed from the list and the motion will reflect that.
* I will put myself forward as the initial VP.
* No bylaws, but we reached a consensus in the discussion that the post of VP should come up annually.
Julian
> On Sep 5, 2015, at 10:15 AM, Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> I’m happy to serve as the initial VP if that is the consensus.
>
> I like the idea that the post comes up annually, and that triggers a “state of the project” discussion. And it would be great if I can rotate the role to someone else. I share Ted’s concerns about diversity - not just in the VP, but also in release managers and committers (i.e. people taking third-party contributions and committing them to master branch).
>
> To improve diversity, I think it would help if we start counting and reporting who is doing third-party commits. There’s too much of me right now.
>
> Also, it doesn’t need to be in the bylaws, but after graduation, let’s agree a “start date” so that the appointment is exactly a year. (Analogous to Jan 20 for US presidents.)
>
> Julian
>
>
>> On Sep 3, 2015, at 10:55 PM, Nick Dimiduk <nd...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> +1 on Julian as initial VP, if he's interested in holding the
>> responsibility. I like Jacques's suggestion of a "renewal consideration" on
>> some interval. I'm not sure this is necessary to include as bylaws, more
>> like a healthy practice for a democratically organized endeavor.
>>
>> -n
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 10:03 PM, Jacques Nadeau <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> My thoughts on this are a little different. I like the concept as it simply
>>> causes a discussion to happen once a year. The community can always choose
>>> to have the same person. This just helps us lazy people to remember to
>>> discuss this on occasion. Momentum is great and time flies. I like having a
>>> reminder once in a while...
>>> On Sep 2, 2015 9:49 PM, "Ted Dunning" <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hmmm. Rotating often is really good for spreading knowledge.
>>>>
>>>> If calcite has any defect it is the tendency to depend on Julian's high
>>>> throughput. Hard to argue with in the moment but the project will do
>>>> better from spreading the load and experience. Having Jacques run the
>>> last
>>>> release was a great step in that direction.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 2, 2015, at 21:10, James Taylor <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> +1 to Julian as VP. If folks are willing to step up for taking the
>>> reins,
>>>>> that's a good idea, but a yearly rotation may be too frequent
>>> (especially
>>>>> initially) IMHO.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 8:48 PM, Jacques Nadeau <ja...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I appreciate the humility but I think it is a no-brainer that Julian
>>>> should
>>>>>> be the VP. The one thought I suggest is having a rotating chair each
>>>> year.
>>>>>> Thoughts on that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 5:48 PM, Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let’s agree on the text of the motion before we start a vote. I
>>> propose
>>>>>>> the following text (see below).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you are a committer, please:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. Review the text.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2. Remove your name from the list, if you do NOT wish to remain a
>>>>>>> committer after graduation. (You can email me privately if you
>>> prefer.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3. Send nominations for an initial Vice President. (This will replace
>>>> the
>>>>>>> placeholder, "<TBD>”, in the text below.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At Ted’s suggestion, I started a thread on the Incubator list asking
>>> a
>>>>>>> shepherd to review.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Julian
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - - - - snip
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests
>>> of
>>>>>>> the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to
>>>> establish
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> Project Management Committee charged with the creation and
>>> maintenance
>>>> of
>>>>>>> open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
>>>>>> related
>>>>>>> to parsing and planning queries on data in a wide variety of formats.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee
>>>>>> (PMC),
>>>>>>> to be known as the "Apache Calcite Project", be and hereby is
>>>> established
>>>>>>> pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache Calcite Project be and hereby is
>>> responsible
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> the creation and maintenance of software related to interactive
>>>> analysis
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> large-scale datasets; and be it further RESOLVED, that the office of
>>>>>> "Vice
>>>>>>> President, Apache Calcite" be and hereby is created, the person
>>> holding
>>>>>>> such office to serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as
>>> the
>>>>>>> chair of the Apache Calcite Project, and to have primary
>>> responsibility
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> management of the projects within the scope of responsibility of the
>>>>>> Apache
>>>>>>> Calcite Project; and be it further RESOLVED, that the persons listed
>>>>>>> immediately below be and hereby are appointed to serve as the initial
>>>>>>> members of the Apache Calcite Project:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * Alan Gates <gates at apache dot org>
>>>>>>> * Aman Sinha <amansinha at apache dot org>
>>>>>>> * Ashutosh Chauhan <hashutosh at apache dot org>
>>>>>>> * Chris Wensel <cwensel at apache dot org>
>>>>>>> * James R. Taylor <jamestaylor at apache dot org>
>>>>>>> * Jacques Nadeau <jacques at apache dot org>
>>>>>>> * Jesús Camacho Rodríguez <jcamacho at apache dot org>
>>>>>>> * Jinfeng Ni <jni at apache dot org>
>>>>>>> * John Pullokkaran <jpullokk at apache dot org>
>>>>>>> * Julian Hyde <jhyde at apache dot org>
>>>>>>> * Nick Dimiduk <ndimiduk at apache dot org>
>>>>>>> * Steven Noels <stevenn at apache dot org>
>>>>>>> * Ted Dunning <tdunning at apache dot org>
>>>>>>> * Vladimir Sitnikov <vladimirsitnikov at apache dot org>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that <TBD> be appointed to
>>> the
>>>>>>> office of Vice President, Apache Calcite, to serve in accordance with
>>>> and
>>>>>>> subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of
>>>> the
>>>>>>> Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or
>>>>>>> disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it
>>> further
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache Calcite Project be and hereby is tasked
>>> with
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator Calcite
>>> podling;
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> be it further
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
>>> Incubator
>>>>>>> Calcite podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator Project are
>>>>>> hereafter
>>>>>>> discharged.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - - - -
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation
Posted by Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org>.
I’m happy to serve as the initial VP if that is the consensus.
I like the idea that the post comes up annually, and that triggers a “state of the project” discussion. And it would be great if I can rotate the role to someone else. I share Ted’s concerns about diversity - not just in the VP, but also in release managers and committers (i.e. people taking third-party contributions and committing them to master branch).
To improve diversity, I think it would help if we start counting and reporting who is doing third-party commits. There’s too much of me right now.
Also, it doesn’t need to be in the bylaws, but after graduation, let’s agree a “start date” so that the appointment is exactly a year. (Analogous to Jan 20 for US presidents.)
Julian
> On Sep 3, 2015, at 10:55 PM, Nick Dimiduk <nd...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> +1 on Julian as initial VP, if he's interested in holding the
> responsibility. I like Jacques's suggestion of a "renewal consideration" on
> some interval. I'm not sure this is necessary to include as bylaws, more
> like a healthy practice for a democratically organized endeavor.
>
> -n
>
> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 10:03 PM, Jacques Nadeau <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> My thoughts on this are a little different. I like the concept as it simply
>> causes a discussion to happen once a year. The community can always choose
>> to have the same person. This just helps us lazy people to remember to
>> discuss this on occasion. Momentum is great and time flies. I like having a
>> reminder once in a while...
>> On Sep 2, 2015 9:49 PM, "Ted Dunning" <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hmmm. Rotating often is really good for spreading knowledge.
>>>
>>> If calcite has any defect it is the tendency to depend on Julian's high
>>> throughput. Hard to argue with in the moment but the project will do
>>> better from spreading the load and experience. Having Jacques run the
>> last
>>> release was a great step in that direction.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Sep 2, 2015, at 21:10, James Taylor <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> +1 to Julian as VP. If folks are willing to step up for taking the
>> reins,
>>>> that's a good idea, but a yearly rotation may be too frequent
>> (especially
>>>> initially) IMHO.
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 8:48 PM, Jacques Nadeau <ja...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I appreciate the humility but I think it is a no-brainer that Julian
>>> should
>>>>> be the VP. The one thought I suggest is having a rotating chair each
>>> year.
>>>>> Thoughts on that?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 5:48 PM, Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let’s agree on the text of the motion before we start a vote. I
>> propose
>>>>>> the following text (see below).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you are a committer, please:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Review the text.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. Remove your name from the list, if you do NOT wish to remain a
>>>>>> committer after graduation. (You can email me privately if you
>> prefer.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3. Send nominations for an initial Vice President. (This will replace
>>> the
>>>>>> placeholder, "<TBD>”, in the text below.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At Ted’s suggestion, I started a thread on the Incubator list asking
>> a
>>>>>> shepherd to review.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Julian
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - - - - snip
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests
>> of
>>>>>> the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to
>>> establish
>>>>> a
>>>>>> Project Management Committee charged with the creation and
>> maintenance
>>> of
>>>>>> open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
>>>>> related
>>>>>> to parsing and planning queries on data in a wide variety of formats.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee
>>>>> (PMC),
>>>>>> to be known as the "Apache Calcite Project", be and hereby is
>>> established
>>>>>> pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
>>>>>>
>>>>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache Calcite Project be and hereby is
>> responsible
>>>>> for
>>>>>> the creation and maintenance of software related to interactive
>>> analysis
>>>>> of
>>>>>> large-scale datasets; and be it further RESOLVED, that the office of
>>>>> "Vice
>>>>>> President, Apache Calcite" be and hereby is created, the person
>> holding
>>>>>> such office to serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as
>> the
>>>>>> chair of the Apache Calcite Project, and to have primary
>> responsibility
>>>>> for
>>>>>> management of the projects within the scope of responsibility of the
>>>>> Apache
>>>>>> Calcite Project; and be it further RESOLVED, that the persons listed
>>>>>> immediately below be and hereby are appointed to serve as the initial
>>>>>> members of the Apache Calcite Project:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * Alan Gates <gates at apache dot org>
>>>>>> * Aman Sinha <amansinha at apache dot org>
>>>>>> * Ashutosh Chauhan <hashutosh at apache dot org>
>>>>>> * Chris Wensel <cwensel at apache dot org>
>>>>>> * James R. Taylor <jamestaylor at apache dot org>
>>>>>> * Jacques Nadeau <jacques at apache dot org>
>>>>>> * Jesús Camacho Rodríguez <jcamacho at apache dot org>
>>>>>> * Jinfeng Ni <jni at apache dot org>
>>>>>> * John Pullokkaran <jpullokk at apache dot org>
>>>>>> * Julian Hyde <jhyde at apache dot org>
>>>>>> * Nick Dimiduk <ndimiduk at apache dot org>
>>>>>> * Steven Noels <stevenn at apache dot org>
>>>>>> * Ted Dunning <tdunning at apache dot org>
>>>>>> * Vladimir Sitnikov <vladimirsitnikov at apache dot org>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that <TBD> be appointed to
>> the
>>>>>> office of Vice President, Apache Calcite, to serve in accordance with
>>> and
>>>>>> subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of
>>> the
>>>>>> Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or
>>>>>> disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it
>> further
>>>>>>
>>>>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache Calcite Project be and hereby is tasked
>> with
>>>>> the
>>>>>> migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator Calcite
>> podling;
>>>>> and
>>>>>> be it further
>>>>>>
>>>>>> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
>> Incubator
>>>>>> Calcite podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator Project are
>>>>> hereafter
>>>>>> discharged.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - - - -
>>>>>
>>>
>>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation
Posted by Nick Dimiduk <nd...@apache.org>.
+1 on Julian as initial VP, if he's interested in holding the
responsibility. I like Jacques's suggestion of a "renewal consideration" on
some interval. I'm not sure this is necessary to include as bylaws, more
like a healthy practice for a democratically organized endeavor.
-n
On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 10:03 PM, Jacques Nadeau <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> My thoughts on this are a little different. I like the concept as it simply
> causes a discussion to happen once a year. The community can always choose
> to have the same person. This just helps us lazy people to remember to
> discuss this on occasion. Momentum is great and time flies. I like having a
> reminder once in a while...
> On Sep 2, 2015 9:49 PM, "Ted Dunning" <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Hmmm. Rotating often is really good for spreading knowledge.
> >
> > If calcite has any defect it is the tendency to depend on Julian's high
> > throughput. Hard to argue with in the moment but the project will do
> > better from spreading the load and experience. Having Jacques run the
> last
> > release was a great step in that direction.
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Sep 2, 2015, at 21:10, James Taylor <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > +1 to Julian as VP. If folks are willing to step up for taking the
> reins,
> > > that's a good idea, but a yearly rotation may be too frequent
> (especially
> > > initially) IMHO.
> > >
> > >> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 8:48 PM, Jacques Nadeau <ja...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I appreciate the humility but I think it is a no-brainer that Julian
> > should
> > >> be the VP. The one thought I suggest is having a rotating chair each
> > year.
> > >> Thoughts on that?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 5:48 PM, Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Let’s agree on the text of the motion before we start a vote. I
> propose
> > >>> the following text (see below).
> > >>>
> > >>> If you are a committer, please:
> > >>>
> > >>> 1. Review the text.
> > >>>
> > >>> 2. Remove your name from the list, if you do NOT wish to remain a
> > >>> committer after graduation. (You can email me privately if you
> prefer.)
> > >>>
> > >>> 3. Send nominations for an initial Vice President. (This will replace
> > the
> > >>> placeholder, "<TBD>”, in the text below.)
> > >>>
> > >>> At Ted’s suggestion, I started a thread on the Incubator list asking
> a
> > >>> shepherd to review.
> > >>>
> > >>> Julian
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> - - - - snip
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests
> of
> > >>> the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to
> > establish
> > >> a
> > >>> Project Management Committee charged with the creation and
> maintenance
> > of
> > >>> open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
> > >> related
> > >>> to parsing and planning queries on data in a wide variety of formats.
> > >>>
> > >>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee
> > >> (PMC),
> > >>> to be known as the "Apache Calcite Project", be and hereby is
> > established
> > >>> pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
> > >>>
> > >>> RESOLVED, that the Apache Calcite Project be and hereby is
> responsible
> > >> for
> > >>> the creation and maintenance of software related to interactive
> > analysis
> > >> of
> > >>> large-scale datasets; and be it further RESOLVED, that the office of
> > >> "Vice
> > >>> President, Apache Calcite" be and hereby is created, the person
> holding
> > >>> such office to serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as
> the
> > >>> chair of the Apache Calcite Project, and to have primary
> responsibility
> > >> for
> > >>> management of the projects within the scope of responsibility of the
> > >> Apache
> > >>> Calcite Project; and be it further RESOLVED, that the persons listed
> > >>> immediately below be and hereby are appointed to serve as the initial
> > >>> members of the Apache Calcite Project:
> > >>>
> > >>> * Alan Gates <gates at apache dot org>
> > >>> * Aman Sinha <amansinha at apache dot org>
> > >>> * Ashutosh Chauhan <hashutosh at apache dot org>
> > >>> * Chris Wensel <cwensel at apache dot org>
> > >>> * James R. Taylor <jamestaylor at apache dot org>
> > >>> * Jacques Nadeau <jacques at apache dot org>
> > >>> * Jesús Camacho Rodríguez <jcamacho at apache dot org>
> > >>> * Jinfeng Ni <jni at apache dot org>
> > >>> * John Pullokkaran <jpullokk at apache dot org>
> > >>> * Julian Hyde <jhyde at apache dot org>
> > >>> * Nick Dimiduk <ndimiduk at apache dot org>
> > >>> * Steven Noels <stevenn at apache dot org>
> > >>> * Ted Dunning <tdunning at apache dot org>
> > >>> * Vladimir Sitnikov <vladimirsitnikov at apache dot org>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that <TBD> be appointed to
> the
> > >>> office of Vice President, Apache Calcite, to serve in accordance with
> > and
> > >>> subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of
> > the
> > >>> Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or
> > >>> disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it
> further
> > >>>
> > >>> RESOLVED, that the Apache Calcite Project be and hereby is tasked
> with
> > >> the
> > >>> migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator Calcite
> podling;
> > >> and
> > >>> be it further
> > >>>
> > >>> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
> Incubator
> > >>> Calcite podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator Project are
> > >> hereafter
> > >>> discharged.
> > >>>
> > >>> - - - -
> > >>
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation
Posted by Jacques Nadeau <ja...@apache.org>.
My thoughts on this are a little different. I like the concept as it simply
causes a discussion to happen once a year. The community can always choose
to have the same person. This just helps us lazy people to remember to
discuss this on occasion. Momentum is great and time flies. I like having a
reminder once in a while...
On Sep 2, 2015 9:49 PM, "Ted Dunning" <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hmmm. Rotating often is really good for spreading knowledge.
>
> If calcite has any defect it is the tendency to depend on Julian's high
> throughput. Hard to argue with in the moment but the project will do
> better from spreading the load and experience. Having Jacques run the last
> release was a great step in that direction.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 2, 2015, at 21:10, James Taylor <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > +1 to Julian as VP. If folks are willing to step up for taking the reins,
> > that's a good idea, but a yearly rotation may be too frequent (especially
> > initially) IMHO.
> >
> >> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 8:48 PM, Jacques Nadeau <ja...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I appreciate the humility but I think it is a no-brainer that Julian
> should
> >> be the VP. The one thought I suggest is having a rotating chair each
> year.
> >> Thoughts on that?
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 5:48 PM, Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Let’s agree on the text of the motion before we start a vote. I propose
> >>> the following text (see below).
> >>>
> >>> If you are a committer, please:
> >>>
> >>> 1. Review the text.
> >>>
> >>> 2. Remove your name from the list, if you do NOT wish to remain a
> >>> committer after graduation. (You can email me privately if you prefer.)
> >>>
> >>> 3. Send nominations for an initial Vice President. (This will replace
> the
> >>> placeholder, "<TBD>”, in the text below.)
> >>>
> >>> At Ted’s suggestion, I started a thread on the Incubator list asking a
> >>> shepherd to review.
> >>>
> >>> Julian
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> - - - - snip
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
> >>> the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to
> establish
> >> a
> >>> Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance
> of
> >>> open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
> >> related
> >>> to parsing and planning queries on data in a wide variety of formats.
> >>>
> >>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee
> >> (PMC),
> >>> to be known as the "Apache Calcite Project", be and hereby is
> established
> >>> pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
> >>>
> >>> RESOLVED, that the Apache Calcite Project be and hereby is responsible
> >> for
> >>> the creation and maintenance of software related to interactive
> analysis
> >> of
> >>> large-scale datasets; and be it further RESOLVED, that the office of
> >> "Vice
> >>> President, Apache Calcite" be and hereby is created, the person holding
> >>> such office to serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the
> >>> chair of the Apache Calcite Project, and to have primary responsibility
> >> for
> >>> management of the projects within the scope of responsibility of the
> >> Apache
> >>> Calcite Project; and be it further RESOLVED, that the persons listed
> >>> immediately below be and hereby are appointed to serve as the initial
> >>> members of the Apache Calcite Project:
> >>>
> >>> * Alan Gates <gates at apache dot org>
> >>> * Aman Sinha <amansinha at apache dot org>
> >>> * Ashutosh Chauhan <hashutosh at apache dot org>
> >>> * Chris Wensel <cwensel at apache dot org>
> >>> * James R. Taylor <jamestaylor at apache dot org>
> >>> * Jacques Nadeau <jacques at apache dot org>
> >>> * Jesús Camacho Rodríguez <jcamacho at apache dot org>
> >>> * Jinfeng Ni <jni at apache dot org>
> >>> * John Pullokkaran <jpullokk at apache dot org>
> >>> * Julian Hyde <jhyde at apache dot org>
> >>> * Nick Dimiduk <ndimiduk at apache dot org>
> >>> * Steven Noels <stevenn at apache dot org>
> >>> * Ted Dunning <tdunning at apache dot org>
> >>> * Vladimir Sitnikov <vladimirsitnikov at apache dot org>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that <TBD> be appointed to the
> >>> office of Vice President, Apache Calcite, to serve in accordance with
> and
> >>> subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of
> the
> >>> Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or
> >>> disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
> >>>
> >>> RESOLVED, that the Apache Calcite Project be and hereby is tasked with
> >> the
> >>> migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator Calcite podling;
> >> and
> >>> be it further
> >>>
> >>> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache Incubator
> >>> Calcite podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator Project are
> >> hereafter
> >>> discharged.
> >>>
> >>> - - - -
> >>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation
Posted by Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com>.
Hmmm. Rotating often is really good for spreading knowledge.
If calcite has any defect it is the tendency to depend on Julian's high throughput. Hard to argue with in the moment but the project will do better from spreading the load and experience. Having Jacques run the last release was a great step in that direction.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 2, 2015, at 21:10, James Taylor <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> +1 to Julian as VP. If folks are willing to step up for taking the reins,
> that's a good idea, but a yearly rotation may be too frequent (especially
> initially) IMHO.
>
>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 8:48 PM, Jacques Nadeau <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> I appreciate the humility but I think it is a no-brainer that Julian should
>> be the VP. The one thought I suggest is having a rotating chair each year.
>> Thoughts on that?
>>
>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 5:48 PM, Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Let’s agree on the text of the motion before we start a vote. I propose
>>> the following text (see below).
>>>
>>> If you are a committer, please:
>>>
>>> 1. Review the text.
>>>
>>> 2. Remove your name from the list, if you do NOT wish to remain a
>>> committer after graduation. (You can email me privately if you prefer.)
>>>
>>> 3. Send nominations for an initial Vice President. (This will replace the
>>> placeholder, "<TBD>”, in the text below.)
>>>
>>> At Ted’s suggestion, I started a thread on the Incubator list asking a
>>> shepherd to review.
>>>
>>> Julian
>>>
>>>
>>> - - - - snip
>>>
>>>
>>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
>>> the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish
>> a
>>> Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
>>> open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
>> related
>>> to parsing and planning queries on data in a wide variety of formats.
>>>
>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee
>> (PMC),
>>> to be known as the "Apache Calcite Project", be and hereby is established
>>> pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
>>>
>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache Calcite Project be and hereby is responsible
>> for
>>> the creation and maintenance of software related to interactive analysis
>> of
>>> large-scale datasets; and be it further RESOLVED, that the office of
>> "Vice
>>> President, Apache Calcite" be and hereby is created, the person holding
>>> such office to serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the
>>> chair of the Apache Calcite Project, and to have primary responsibility
>> for
>>> management of the projects within the scope of responsibility of the
>> Apache
>>> Calcite Project; and be it further RESOLVED, that the persons listed
>>> immediately below be and hereby are appointed to serve as the initial
>>> members of the Apache Calcite Project:
>>>
>>> * Alan Gates <gates at apache dot org>
>>> * Aman Sinha <amansinha at apache dot org>
>>> * Ashutosh Chauhan <hashutosh at apache dot org>
>>> * Chris Wensel <cwensel at apache dot org>
>>> * James R. Taylor <jamestaylor at apache dot org>
>>> * Jacques Nadeau <jacques at apache dot org>
>>> * Jesús Camacho Rodríguez <jcamacho at apache dot org>
>>> * Jinfeng Ni <jni at apache dot org>
>>> * John Pullokkaran <jpullokk at apache dot org>
>>> * Julian Hyde <jhyde at apache dot org>
>>> * Nick Dimiduk <ndimiduk at apache dot org>
>>> * Steven Noels <stevenn at apache dot org>
>>> * Ted Dunning <tdunning at apache dot org>
>>> * Vladimir Sitnikov <vladimirsitnikov at apache dot org>
>>>
>>>
>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that <TBD> be appointed to the
>>> office of Vice President, Apache Calcite, to serve in accordance with and
>>> subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the
>>> Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or
>>> disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>>>
>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache Calcite Project be and hereby is tasked with
>> the
>>> migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator Calcite podling;
>> and
>>> be it further
>>>
>>> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache Incubator
>>> Calcite podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator Project are
>> hereafter
>>> discharged.
>>>
>>> - - - -
>>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation
Posted by James Taylor <ja...@apache.org>.
+1 to Julian as VP. If folks are willing to step up for taking the reins,
that's a good idea, but a yearly rotation may be too frequent (especially
initially) IMHO.
On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 8:48 PM, Jacques Nadeau <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> I appreciate the humility but I think it is a no-brainer that Julian should
> be the VP. The one thought I suggest is having a rotating chair each year.
> Thoughts on that?
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 5:48 PM, Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Let’s agree on the text of the motion before we start a vote. I propose
> > the following text (see below).
> >
> > If you are a committer, please:
> >
> > 1. Review the text.
> >
> > 2. Remove your name from the list, if you do NOT wish to remain a
> > committer after graduation. (You can email me privately if you prefer.)
> >
> > 3. Send nominations for an initial Vice President. (This will replace the
> > placeholder, "<TBD>”, in the text below.)
> >
> > At Ted’s suggestion, I started a thread on the Incubator list asking a
> > shepherd to review.
> >
> > Julian
> >
> >
> > - - - - snip
> >
> >
> > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
> > the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish
> a
> > Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> > open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
> related
> > to parsing and planning queries on data in a wide variety of formats.
> >
> > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee
> (PMC),
> > to be known as the "Apache Calcite Project", be and hereby is established
> > pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the Apache Calcite Project be and hereby is responsible
> for
> > the creation and maintenance of software related to interactive analysis
> of
> > large-scale datasets; and be it further RESOLVED, that the office of
> "Vice
> > President, Apache Calcite" be and hereby is created, the person holding
> > such office to serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the
> > chair of the Apache Calcite Project, and to have primary responsibility
> for
> > management of the projects within the scope of responsibility of the
> Apache
> > Calcite Project; and be it further RESOLVED, that the persons listed
> > immediately below be and hereby are appointed to serve as the initial
> > members of the Apache Calcite Project:
> >
> > * Alan Gates <gates at apache dot org>
> > * Aman Sinha <amansinha at apache dot org>
> > * Ashutosh Chauhan <hashutosh at apache dot org>
> > * Chris Wensel <cwensel at apache dot org>
> > * James R. Taylor <jamestaylor at apache dot org>
> > * Jacques Nadeau <jacques at apache dot org>
> > * Jesús Camacho Rodríguez <jcamacho at apache dot org>
> > * Jinfeng Ni <jni at apache dot org>
> > * John Pullokkaran <jpullokk at apache dot org>
> > * Julian Hyde <jhyde at apache dot org>
> > * Nick Dimiduk <ndimiduk at apache dot org>
> > * Steven Noels <stevenn at apache dot org>
> > * Ted Dunning <tdunning at apache dot org>
> > * Vladimir Sitnikov <vladimirsitnikov at apache dot org>
> >
> >
> > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that <TBD> be appointed to the
> > office of Vice President, Apache Calcite, to serve in accordance with and
> > subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the
> > Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or
> > disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the Apache Calcite Project be and hereby is tasked with
> the
> > migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator Calcite podling;
> and
> > be it further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache Incubator
> > Calcite podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator Project are
> hereafter
> > discharged.
> >
> > - - - -
> >
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation
Posted by Jacques Nadeau <ja...@apache.org>.
I appreciate the humility but I think it is a no-brainer that Julian should
be the VP. The one thought I suggest is having a rotating chair each year.
Thoughts on that?
On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 5:48 PM, Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org> wrote:
> Let’s agree on the text of the motion before we start a vote. I propose
> the following text (see below).
>
> If you are a committer, please:
>
> 1. Review the text.
>
> 2. Remove your name from the list, if you do NOT wish to remain a
> committer after graduation. (You can email me privately if you prefer.)
>
> 3. Send nominations for an initial Vice President. (This will replace the
> placeholder, "<TBD>”, in the text below.)
>
> At Ted’s suggestion, I started a thread on the Incubator list asking a
> shepherd to review.
>
> Julian
>
>
> - - - - snip
>
>
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
> the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish a
> Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public, related
> to parsing and planning queries on data in a wide variety of formats.
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee (PMC),
> to be known as the "Apache Calcite Project", be and hereby is established
> pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache Calcite Project be and hereby is responsible for
> the creation and maintenance of software related to interactive analysis of
> large-scale datasets; and be it further RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice
> President, Apache Calcite" be and hereby is created, the person holding
> such office to serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the
> chair of the Apache Calcite Project, and to have primary responsibility for
> management of the projects within the scope of responsibility of the Apache
> Calcite Project; and be it further RESOLVED, that the persons listed
> immediately below be and hereby are appointed to serve as the initial
> members of the Apache Calcite Project:
>
> * Alan Gates <gates at apache dot org>
> * Aman Sinha <amansinha at apache dot org>
> * Ashutosh Chauhan <hashutosh at apache dot org>
> * Chris Wensel <cwensel at apache dot org>
> * James R. Taylor <jamestaylor at apache dot org>
> * Jacques Nadeau <jacques at apache dot org>
> * Jesús Camacho Rodríguez <jcamacho at apache dot org>
> * Jinfeng Ni <jni at apache dot org>
> * John Pullokkaran <jpullokk at apache dot org>
> * Julian Hyde <jhyde at apache dot org>
> * Nick Dimiduk <ndimiduk at apache dot org>
> * Steven Noels <stevenn at apache dot org>
> * Ted Dunning <tdunning at apache dot org>
> * Vladimir Sitnikov <vladimirsitnikov at apache dot org>
>
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that <TBD> be appointed to the
> office of Vice President, Apache Calcite, to serve in accordance with and
> subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the
> Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or
> disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache Calcite Project be and hereby is tasked with the
> migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator Calcite podling; and
> be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache Incubator
> Calcite podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator Project are hereafter
> discharged.
>
> - - - -
>
>