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Posted to dev@openoffice.apache.org by "Marco A.G.Pinto" <ma...@mail.telepac.pt> on 2012/01/07 23:48:30 UTC
Double dictionaries for languages
Hello!
Portuguese has suffered a language agreement and now there are two kinds
of my language:
- pre-agreement
- post-agreement
In Microsoft Office 2010 there is a setting to select which one we want
to use and, according to what we select, it uses one of the two
dictionaries.
The language is still the same and just the dictionary is changed.
Could this be implemented into AOO?
Thanks!
Kind regards,
>Marco A.G.Pinto
-----------------------
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RE: Double dictionaries for languages
Posted by "Dennis E. Hamilton" <de...@acm.org>.
Thank you. I found out what I needed to know by downloading both pt-PT and pt-PT (pre-ao) versions.
-----Original Message-----
From: Marco A.G.Pinto [mailto:marcoagpinto@mail.telepac.pt]
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 16:45
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Double dictionaries for languages
Hello!
The maintainers of the PT language are from Minho University in Portugal, but it is António who packets the changes to official Open Office/Thunderbird/Firefox.
The site of the dictionaries (pre and post reform) is: http://maracujah.net/software/dict
Please notice that the dictionaries are or were available from OOo's site and had automatic updates (but only the post reform because the pre needs to be installed manually).
When I bought Office 2010 Home Student I had to buy the Portuguese Dictionary as separate from Microsoft's site since I ordered the software from Amazon and it came in English.
Kind regards,
>Marco A.G.Pinto
-----------------
On 18-01-2012 15:02, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
Hi,
On 18 January 2012 09:58, Marco A.G.Pinto <ma...@mail.telepac.pt> wrote:
I am in contact with the Portuguese persons who maintain the OpenOffice and Firefox/Thunderbird PT dictionaries.
In António's site he has PT spellers (pre and post reform).
Great; and I presume that there are no IP issues to worry about. I've had discussions with some members of this community many years ago regarding trying to coordinate and collaborate, so that we all--those of us doing Foss work and dictionary words and so on, and that includes the nice people at Mozilla--do not simply duplicate effort, waste time, and sow confusion.
What procedures, then, are required to do what you want and to ensure that there will be regular maintenance of these dictionaries?
Thanks
louis
--
Re: Double dictionaries for languages
Posted by "Marco A.G.Pinto" <ma...@mail.telepac.pt>.
Hello!
The maintainers of the PT language are from Minho University in
Portugal, but it is António who packets the changes to official Open
Office/Thunderbird/Firefox.
The site of the dictionaries (pre and post reform) is:
http://maracujah.net/software/dict
Please notice that the dictionaries are or were available from OOo's
site and had automatic updates (but only the post reform because the pre
needs to be installed manually).
When I bought Office 2010 Home Student I had to buy the Portuguese
Dictionary as separate from Microsoft's site since I ordered the
software from Amazon and it came in English.
Kind regards,
>Marco A.G.Pinto
-----------------
On 18-01-2012 15:02, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> On 18 January 2012 09:58, Marco A.G.Pinto
> <marcoagpinto@mail.telepac.pt <ma...@mail.telepac.pt>>
> wrote:
>
> I am in contact with the Portuguese persons who maintain the
> OpenOffice and Firefox/Thunderbird PT dictionaries.
>
> In António's site he has PT spellers (pre and post reform).
>
>
> Great; and I presume that there are no IP issues to worry about. I've
> had discussions with some members of this community many years ago
> regarding trying to coordinate and collaborate, so that we all--those
> of us doing Foss work and dictionary words and so on, and that
> includes the nice people at Mozilla--do not simply duplicate effort,
> waste time, and sow confusion.
>
> What procedures, then, are required to do what you want and to ensure
> that there will be regular maintenance of these dictionaries?
>
> Thanks
> louis
>
--
Re: Double dictionaries for languages
Posted by Louis Suárez-Potts <ls...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
On 18 January 2012 09:58, Marco A.G.Pinto <ma...@mail.telepac.pt>wrote:
> I am in contact with the Portuguese persons who maintain the OpenOffice
> and Firefox/Thunderbird PT dictionaries.
>
> In António's site he has PT spellers (pre and post reform).
>
Great; and I presume that there are no IP issues to worry about. I've had
discussions with some members of this community many years ago regarding
trying to coordinate and collaborate, so that we all--those of us doing
Foss work and dictionary words and so on, and that includes the nice people
at Mozilla--do not simply duplicate effort, waste time, and sow confusion.
What procedures, then, are required to do what you want and to ensure that
there will be regular maintenance of these dictionaries?
Thanks
louis
>
>
> Kind regards,
> >Marco A.G.Pinto
> -----------------------
>
>
> On 18-01-2012 14:53, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
>
>
>
> On 18 January 2012 05:35, Marco A.G.Pinto <ma...@mail.telepac.pt>wrote:
>
>> Microsoft Office 2010 allows users to select between Portuguese
>> pre-reform and Portuguese post-reform.
>>
>> I would be great if AOO would allow that too.
>>
>
>
> Can this option be made available via a langpack? Further, wouldn't it
> depend upon the regular maintenance of the language pack by the community?
> Have the PT groups indicated their support? I know you are Portuguese,
> Marco, but do you represent then the PT group? (I know many of them fairly
> well, and find the community a great one indeed.)
>
> louis
>
>
>
> --
>
RE: Double dictionaries for languages
Posted by "Dennis E. Hamilton" <de...@acm.org>.
Can you provide a link to António's site please. If not, can you describe whether both spellers can be installed at the same time, and how they are distinguished? (What names are used for them.)
- Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: Marco A.G.Pinto [mailto:marcoagpinto@mail.telepac.pt]
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 06:59
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Double dictionaries for languages
I am in contact with the Portuguese persons who maintain the OpenOffice and Firefox/Thunderbird PT dictionaries.
In António's site he has PT spellers (pre and post reform).
Kind regards,
>Marco A.G.Pinto
-----------------------
On 18-01-2012 14:53, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
On 18 January 2012 05:35, Marco A.G.Pinto <ma...@mail.telepac.pt> wrote:
Microsoft Office 2010 allows users to select between Portuguese pre-reform and Portuguese post-reform.
I would be great if AOO would allow that too.
Can this option be made available via a langpack? Further, wouldn't it depend upon the regular maintenance of the language pack by the community? Have the PT groups indicated their support? I know you are Portuguese, Marco, but do you represent then the PT group? (I know many of them fairly well, and find the community a great one indeed.)
louis
--
Re: Double dictionaries for languages
Posted by "Marco A.G.Pinto" <ma...@mail.telepac.pt>.
I am in contact with the Portuguese persons who maintain the OpenOffice
and Firefox/Thunderbird PT dictionaries.
In António's site he has PT spellers (pre and post reform).
Kind regards,
>Marco A.G.Pinto
-----------------------
On 18-01-2012 14:53, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
>
>
> On 18 January 2012 05:35, Marco A.G.Pinto
> <marcoagpinto@mail.telepac.pt <ma...@mail.telepac.pt>>
> wrote:
>
> Microsoft Office 2010 allows users to select between Portuguese
> pre-reform and Portuguese post-reform.
>
> I would be great if AOO would allow that too.
>
>
>
> Can this option be made available via a langpack? Further, wouldn't it
> depend upon the regular maintenance of the language pack by the
> community? Have the PT groups indicated their support? I know you are
> Portuguese, Marco, but do you represent then the PT group? (I know
> many of them fairly well, and find the community a great one indeed.)
>
> louis
>
--
Re: Double dictionaries for languages
Posted by Louis Suárez-Potts <ls...@gmail.com>.
On 18 January 2012 05:35, Marco A.G.Pinto <ma...@mail.telepac.pt>wrote:
> Microsoft Office 2010 allows users to select between Portuguese
> pre-reform and Portuguese post-reform.
>
> I would be great if AOO would allow that too.
>
Can this option be made available via a langpack? Further, wouldn't it
depend upon the regular maintenance of the language pack by the community?
Have the PT groups indicated their support? I know you are Portuguese,
Marco, but do you represent then the PT group? (I know many of them fairly
well, and find the community a great one indeed.)
louis
>
>
> Kind regards,
> >Marco A.G.Pinto
> -----------------------
>
>
> On 18-01-2012 01:55, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
>
> If they've registered a separate language code for one or the other, that should be the answer. Also, is the agreement just with respect to pt-PT or does it apply to pt-BR, etc.?
>
> Both dictionaries could be added to the same OXT, just as is done for en-*, but somehow the user has to have a way to choose the appropriate one for a given circumstance.
>
> Who knows whether the agreement includes identifiers for use in handling electronic documents and dictionaries?
>
> Or has pre-agreement been declared obsolete?
>
> - Dennis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pescetti@apache.org <pe...@apache.org>]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 14:40
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Double dictionaries for languages
>
> On 07/01/2012 Marco A.G.Pinto wrote:
>
> Portuguese has suffered a language agreement and now there are two kinds
> of my language:
> - pre-agreement
> - post-agreement...
> The language is still the same and just the dictionary is changed.
> Could this be implemented into AOO?
>
> I think (but I haven't checked with a recent build, and I'm not 100%
> sure) that multiple dictionaries for the same language are supported and
> are merged (i.e., if you enable both an "old spelling" and a "new
> spelling" dictionary, words of either dictionary will be accepted).
>
> As for switching between dictionaries, the easiest way I see is
> installing separate extensions: there is no suitable user interface yet,
> unfortunately.
>
> There's always the hack of defining two separate locales and assigning
> one to the "old spelling" and one to the "new spelling" to change them
> in real time like American English and British English, but forcing this
> configuration would break interoperability.
>
> Regards,
> Andrea.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
RE: Double dictionaries for languages
Posted by "Dennis E. Hamilton" <de...@acm.org>.
I only see Portuguese (Portugal) and Protuguese (Brazil) in the list of supported languages on Microsoft Office 2010 Home and Business. Because the language pack is not installed on my machine, I went to the download site and discovered that the language packs are sold by Microsoft for $25 per language. I decided not to spend the money to find out if there was anything that allowed choice between pre- and post- reform languages.
- Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: Marco A.G.Pinto [mailto:marcoagpinto@mail.telepac.pt]
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 02:35
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Double dictionaries for languages
Microsoft Office 2010 allows users to select between Portuguese pre-reform and Portuguese post-reform.
I would be great if AOO would allow that too.
Kind regards,
>Marco A.G.Pinto
-----------------------
On 18-01-2012 01:55, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
If they've registered a separate language code for one or the other, that should be the answer. Also, is the agreement just with respect to pt-PT or does it apply to pt-BR, etc.?
Both dictionaries could be added to the same OXT, just as is done for en-*, but somehow the user has to have a way to choose the appropriate one for a given circumstance.
Who knows whether the agreement includes identifiers for use in handling electronic documents and dictionaries?
Or has pre-agreement been declared obsolete?
- Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pescetti@apache.org]
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 14:40
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Double dictionaries for languages
On 07/01/2012 Marco A.G.Pinto wrote:
Portuguese has suffered a language agreement and now there are two kinds
of my language:
- pre-agreement
- post-agreement...
The language is still the same and just the dictionary is changed.
Could this be implemented into AOO?
I think (but I haven't checked with a recent build, and I'm not 100%
sure) that multiple dictionaries for the same language are supported and
are merged (i.e., if you enable both an "old spelling" and a "new
spelling" dictionary, words of either dictionary will be accepted).
As for switching between dictionaries, the easiest way I see is
installing separate extensions: there is no suitable user interface yet,
unfortunately.
There's always the hack of defining two separate locales and assigning
one to the "old spelling" and one to the "new spelling" to change them
in real time like American English and British English, but forcing this
configuration would break interoperability.
Regards,
Andrea.
--
Re: Double dictionaries for languages
Posted by "Marco A.G.Pinto" <ma...@mail.telepac.pt>.
Microsoft Office 2010 allows users to select between Portuguese
pre-reform and Portuguese post-reform.
I would be great if AOO would allow that too.
Kind regards,
>Marco A.G.Pinto
-----------------------
On 18-01-2012 01:55, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> If they've registered a separate language code for one or the other, that should be the answer. Also, is the agreement just with respect to pt-PT or does it apply to pt-BR, etc.?
>
> Both dictionaries could be added to the same OXT, just as is done for en-*, but somehow the user has to have a way to choose the appropriate one for a given circumstance.
>
> Who knows whether the agreement includes identifiers for use in handling electronic documents and dictionaries?
>
> Or has pre-agreement been declared obsolete?
>
> - Dennis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pescetti@apache.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 14:40
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Double dictionaries for languages
>
> On 07/01/2012 Marco A.G.Pinto wrote:
>> Portuguese has suffered a language agreement and now there are two kinds
>> of my language:
>> - pre-agreement
>> - post-agreement...
>> The language is still the same and just the dictionary is changed.
>> Could this be implemented into AOO?
> I think (but I haven't checked with a recent build, and I'm not 100%
> sure) that multiple dictionaries for the same language are supported and
> are merged (i.e., if you enable both an "old spelling" and a "new
> spelling" dictionary, words of either dictionary will be accepted).
>
> As for switching between dictionaries, the easiest way I see is
> installing separate extensions: there is no suitable user interface yet,
> unfortunately.
>
> There's always the hack of defining two separate locales and assigning
> one to the "old spelling" and one to the "new spelling" to change them
> in real time like American English and British English, but forcing this
> configuration would break interoperability.
>
> Regards,
> Andrea.
>
>
--
RE: Double dictionaries for languages
Posted by "Dennis E. Hamilton" <de...@acm.org>.
If they've registered a separate language code for one or the other, that should be the answer. Also, is the agreement just with respect to pt-PT or does it apply to pt-BR, etc.?
Both dictionaries could be added to the same OXT, just as is done for en-*, but somehow the user has to have a way to choose the appropriate one for a given circumstance.
Who knows whether the agreement includes identifiers for use in handling electronic documents and dictionaries?
Or has pre-agreement been declared obsolete?
- Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pescetti@apache.org]
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 14:40
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Double dictionaries for languages
On 07/01/2012 Marco A.G.Pinto wrote:
> Portuguese has suffered a language agreement and now there are two kinds
> of my language:
> - pre-agreement
> - post-agreement...
> The language is still the same and just the dictionary is changed.
> Could this be implemented into AOO?
I think (but I haven't checked with a recent build, and I'm not 100%
sure) that multiple dictionaries for the same language are supported and
are merged (i.e., if you enable both an "old spelling" and a "new
spelling" dictionary, words of either dictionary will be accepted).
As for switching between dictionaries, the easiest way I see is
installing separate extensions: there is no suitable user interface yet,
unfortunately.
There's always the hack of defining two separate locales and assigning
one to the "old spelling" and one to the "new spelling" to change them
in real time like American English and British English, but forcing this
configuration would break interoperability.
Regards,
Andrea.
Re: Double dictionaries for languages
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
On 07/01/2012 Marco A.G.Pinto wrote:
> Portuguese has suffered a language agreement and now there are two kinds
> of my language:
> - pre-agreement
> - post-agreement...
> The language is still the same and just the dictionary is changed.
> Could this be implemented into AOO?
I think (but I haven't checked with a recent build, and I'm not 100%
sure) that multiple dictionaries for the same language are supported and
are merged (i.e., if you enable both an "old spelling" and a "new
spelling" dictionary, words of either dictionary will be accepted).
As for switching between dictionaries, the easiest way I see is
installing separate extensions: there is no suitable user interface yet,
unfortunately.
There's always the hack of defining two separate locales and assigning
one to the "old spelling" and one to the "new spelling" to change them
in real time like American English and British English, but forcing this
configuration would break interoperability.
Regards,
Andrea.