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Posted to general@incubator.apache.org by Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> on 2019/01/30 22:03:20 UTC
Chinese site echarts.baidu.com Was:: [VOTE] Release Apache ECharts
4.2.1 (release candidate 1)
Hi Justin,
You are looking at the Chinese version of this: https://echarts.apache.org <https://echarts.apache.org/>
I think that a reasonable solution for the pooling may be to put this website up on https://echarts.apache.org/zh/ <https://echarts.apache.org/zh/> and then redirect. That would fit Apache Branding requirements. ECharts has 32,319 Stars and 9,403 Forks most of which are in China. Performance might be an issue.
Echarts Devs would you please look into moving the Chinese site to ASF Infrastructure. Once that is done properly then we can consider the best way to handle echarts.baidu.com domain. Perhaps there are some creative ways to handle this …
Regards,
Dave
> On Jan 30, 2019, at 1:23 PM, Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> wrote:
>
> There is also possible a more serious issue re branding, trademarks and project independence. Now it possible that this has already been discussed, and there are plans to remove it, but what is being done about this domain name? https://echarts.baidu.com <https://echarts.baidu.com/>. Please add something in your podling report about this.
Re: Chinese site echarts.baidu.com Was:: [VOTE] Release Apache
ECharts 4.2.1 (release candidate 1)
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
Hi -
It look like there are several ECharts in the ecomfe repositories - https://github.com/ecomfe?utf8=✓&q=echarts&type=&language= <https://github.com/ecomfe?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=echarts&type=&language=>
Which are essential to ECharts? Those that are ought to become part of this project. There are several concerns including licensing, etc. First let’s review the list.
Regards,
Dave
> On Jan 30, 2019, at 2:27 PM, Clement Ho <cl...@gitlab.com.INVALID> wrote:
>
> The docs are a little confusing and could use some help:
>
> - Google search results vary between ECharts docs originating from the
> following websites:
> - https://ecomfe.github.io/echarts-doc/public/en/
> <goog_1868928052>
> - http://echarts.apache.org/
> <goog_1868928052>
> - http://echarts.baidu.com
> - http://echarts.apache.org should redirect to
> https://echarts.apache.org
> - https://github.com/ecomfe/echarts-doc is the repo for the docs, should
> that be under apache as well?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 4:03 PM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Justin,
>>
>> You are looking at the Chinese version of this: https://echarts.apache.org
>> <https://echarts.apache.org/>
>>
>> I think that a reasonable solution for the pooling may be to put this
>> website up on https://echarts.apache.org/zh/ <
>> https://echarts.apache.org/zh/> and then redirect. That would fit Apache
>> Branding requirements. ECharts has 32,319 Stars and 9,403 Forks most of
>> which are in China. Performance might be an issue.
>>
>> Echarts Devs would you please look into moving the Chinese site to ASF
>> Infrastructure. Once that is done properly then we can consider the best
>> way to handle echarts.baidu.com domain. Perhaps there are some creative
>> ways to handle this …
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>>
>>> On Jan 30, 2019, at 1:23 PM, Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> There is also possible a more serious issue re branding, trademarks and
>> project independence. Now it possible that this has already been discussed,
>> and there are plans to remove it, but what is being done about this domain
>> name? https://echarts.baidu.com <https://echarts.baidu.com/>. Please add
>> something in your podling report about this.
>>
>>
Re: Chinese site echarts.baidu.com Was:: [VOTE] Release Apache
ECharts 4.2.1 (release candidate 1)
Posted by Clement Ho <cl...@gitlab.com.INVALID>.
The docs are a little confusing and could use some help:
- Google search results vary between ECharts docs originating from the
following websites:
- https://ecomfe.github.io/echarts-doc/public/en/
<goog_1868928052>
- http://echarts.apache.org/
<goog_1868928052>
- http://echarts.baidu.com
- http://echarts.apache.org should redirect to
https://echarts.apache.org
- https://github.com/ecomfe/echarts-doc is the repo for the docs, should
that be under apache as well?
On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 4:03 PM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi Justin,
>
> You are looking at the Chinese version of this: https://echarts.apache.org
> <https://echarts.apache.org/>
>
> I think that a reasonable solution for the pooling may be to put this
> website up on https://echarts.apache.org/zh/ <
> https://echarts.apache.org/zh/> and then redirect. That would fit Apache
> Branding requirements. ECharts has 32,319 Stars and 9,403 Forks most of
> which are in China. Performance might be an issue.
>
> Echarts Devs would you please look into moving the Chinese site to ASF
> Infrastructure. Once that is done properly then we can consider the best
> way to handle echarts.baidu.com domain. Perhaps there are some creative
> ways to handle this …
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> > On Jan 30, 2019, at 1:23 PM, Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > There is also possible a more serious issue re branding, trademarks and
> project independence. Now it possible that this has already been discussed,
> and there are plans to remove it, but what is being done about this domain
> name? https://echarts.baidu.com <https://echarts.baidu.com/>. Please add
> something in your podling report about this.
>
>
Re: Chinese site echarts.baidu.com Was:: [VOTE] Release Apache
ECharts 4.2.1 (release candidate 1)
Posted by Justin Mclean <jm...@apache.org>.
Hi,
Moving from the incubator general list.
> Those projects do not belong to apache-echarts.
Right I did not say they were. They are using the ECharts name incorrectly, see [1] on use of Apache names by 3rd parties [2] and attribution [3].
Part of being a member of the PPMC is to protect their brand [4][5]. So the question is what the ECharts PPMC going to do about this?
Thanks,
Justin
1. https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/guide
2. https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/events#naming
3. https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/events#attributions
4. http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#brand-policy
5. http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#brand-report
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Re: Chinese site echarts.baidu.com Was:: [VOTE] Release Apache
ECharts 4.2.1 (release candidate 1)
Posted by SHUANG SU <su...@gmail.com>.
Hi Justin & Dave,
> for instance:
> https://github.com/ecomfe/vue-echarts
> https://github.com/ecomfe/echarts-for-weixin
> https://github.com/ecomfe/echarts-liquidfill
> https://github.com/ecomfe/echarts-gl
> https://github.com/ecomfe/echarts-graph-modularity
> https://github.com/ecomfe/echarts-miniBI
> https://github.com/ecomfe/echarts-stat
> https://github.com/ecomfe/echarts-gallery-feedback ("Official Feedback
Repository for ECharts Gallery”)
> https://github.com/ecomfe/echarts-boilerplate
Those projects do not belong to apache-echarts.
They are some extensions based on apache-echarts or examples or some tools
help to make
data visualization using to echarts,
just like the other thousands of repos related to echarts if searching
"echarts" on GitHub.
The official website project is
https://github.com/apache/incubator-echarts-website.git
And we need do more discussion about it in dev@echarts.
Thanks
------------------------------
Su Shuang (100pah)
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On Thu, 31 Jan 2019 at 12:43, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Yes, essentially a similar discussion is in progress on dev@echarts.
>
> We’ll need to review stuff in ecomfe and the initial SGA to know what more
> may be needed. No need to discuss more here on general@ at this time..
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 30, 2019, at 7:55 PM, Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> >> You are looking at the Chinese version of this:
> https://echarts.apache.org <https://echarts.apache.org/>
> >
> > Sort of as it has it’s repo here and not hosted at the ASF.
> > https://github.com/ecomfe/echarts-www
> >
> > There is also this:
> > https://github.com/ecomfe/echarts-doc
> > Which claims "Official repository of ECharts documentation”, the
> official documentation should be at the ASF right?
> >
> > There’s also this:
> > https://github.com/ecomfe/echarts-examples
> >
> > And many other ECharts repos under (https://github.com/ecomfe) Baidu
> EFE team.
> >
> > for instance:
> > https://github.com/ecomfe/vue-echarts
> > https://github.com/ecomfe/echarts-for-weixin
> > https://github.com/ecomfe/echarts-liquidfill
> > https://github.com/ecomfe/echarts-gl
> > https://github.com/ecomfe/echarts-graph-modularity
> > https://github.com/ecomfe/echarts-miniBI
> > https://github.com/ecomfe/echarts-stat
> > https://github.com/ecomfe/echarts-gallery-feedback ("Official Feedback
> Repository for ECharts Gallery”)
> > https://github.com/ecomfe/echarts-boilerplate
> >
> > etc etc
> >
> > IMO There are several branding and trademark issues here that the PPMC
> needs to deal with.
> >
> >
> >> I think that a reasonable solution for the pooling may be to put this
> website up on https://echarts.apache.org/zh/ <
> https://echarts.apache.org/zh/> and then redirect. That would fit Apache
> Branding requirements.
> >
> > That seems reasonable to me, along with moving the content (via a
> grant?) to the ASF.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Justin
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Re: Chinese site echarts.baidu.com Was:: [VOTE] Release Apache ECharts 4.2.1 (release candidate 1)
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
Yes, essentially a similar discussion is in progress on dev@echarts.
We’ll need to review stuff in ecomfe and the initial SGA to know what more may be needed. No need to discuss more here on general@ at this time..
Thanks,
Dave
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 30, 2019, at 7:55 PM, Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>> You are looking at the Chinese version of this: https://echarts.apache.org <https://echarts.apache.org/>
>
> Sort of as it has it’s repo here and not hosted at the ASF.
> https://github.com/ecomfe/echarts-www
>
> There is also this:
> https://github.com/ecomfe/echarts-doc
> Which claims "Official repository of ECharts documentation”, the official documentation should be at the ASF right?
>
> There’s also this:
> https://github.com/ecomfe/echarts-examples
>
> And many other ECharts repos under (https://github.com/ecomfe) Baidu EFE team.
>
> for instance:
> https://github.com/ecomfe/vue-echarts
> https://github.com/ecomfe/echarts-for-weixin
> https://github.com/ecomfe/echarts-liquidfill
> https://github.com/ecomfe/echarts-gl
> https://github.com/ecomfe/echarts-graph-modularity
> https://github.com/ecomfe/echarts-miniBI
> https://github.com/ecomfe/echarts-stat
> https://github.com/ecomfe/echarts-gallery-feedback ("Official Feedback Repository for ECharts Gallery”)
> https://github.com/ecomfe/echarts-boilerplate
>
> etc etc
>
> IMO There are several branding and trademark issues here that the PPMC needs to deal with.
>
>
>> I think that a reasonable solution for the pooling may be to put this website up on https://echarts.apache.org/zh/ <https://echarts.apache.org/zh/> and then redirect. That would fit Apache Branding requirements.
>
> That seems reasonable to me, along with moving the content (via a grant?) to the ASF.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
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Re: Chinese site echarts.baidu.com Was:: [VOTE] Release Apache
ECharts 4.2.1 (release candidate 1)
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
Hi,
> You are looking at the Chinese version of this: https://echarts.apache.org <https://echarts.apache.org/>
Sort of as it has it’s repo here and not hosted at the ASF.
https://github.com/ecomfe/echarts-www
There is also this:
https://github.com/ecomfe/echarts-doc
Which claims "Official repository of ECharts documentation”, the official documentation should be at the ASF right?
There’s also this:
https://github.com/ecomfe/echarts-examples
And many other ECharts repos under (https://github.com/ecomfe) Baidu EFE team.
for instance:
https://github.com/ecomfe/vue-echarts
https://github.com/ecomfe/echarts-for-weixin
https://github.com/ecomfe/echarts-liquidfill
https://github.com/ecomfe/echarts-gl
https://github.com/ecomfe/echarts-graph-modularity
https://github.com/ecomfe/echarts-miniBI
https://github.com/ecomfe/echarts-stat
https://github.com/ecomfe/echarts-gallery-feedback ("Official Feedback Repository for ECharts Gallery”)
https://github.com/ecomfe/echarts-boilerplate
etc etc
IMO There are several branding and trademark issues here that the PPMC needs to deal with.
> I think that a reasonable solution for the pooling may be to put this website up on https://echarts.apache.org/zh/ <https://echarts.apache.org/zh/> and then redirect. That would fit Apache Branding requirements.
That seems reasonable to me, along with moving the content (via a grant?) to the ASF.
Thanks,
Justin
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