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Posted to dev@openoffice.apache.org by Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de> on 2013/10/27 11:28:02 UTC
rules for the use of the name Apache OpenOffice
Hello,
I have been a member for Apache, but a few days before the PMC committer privileges offered me, and I see myself in the obligation *to respect* the rules of Apache.
*And I will respect* the rules of Apache.
But what are the rules? What do I need, what we all need to write?
"Apache OpenOffice™"
or only:
"Apache OpenOffice"
And Why?
Please note :
it would seem to me wrong to write in http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultant-submission.html
" ... Note : Our official name is now Apache OpenOffice™."
but in practice do the opposite.
Rules are good, but rules must be clear, so if we want to, we only use "Apache OpenOffice", then this should be so in the rules.
I think rules are important, and rules must be clear and must be the same for all, but what are the rules here *exactly*?
Please also understand my experiences:
Personally, I have, on a petition which reached me, wrote to several German companies and noted that they can register in our list ( http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultant-submission.html ) .
I have also helped some companies there, and have kept to the clear rules that Apache has set for it, such as the clear statement:
" ... Note: Our official name is now Apache OpenOffice™."
Similarly, we were at the PrOOo box, prompted by the OpenOffice PMC to be marked accordingly on the PrOOo box:
"Provide an explicit trademark attribution in the footer. Something
like: "Apache, the Apache feather logo, and OpenOffice are trademarks of
The Apache Software Foundation. OpenOffice.org and the seagull logo are
registered trademarks of The Apache Software Foundation"
Is it _just an option_ to do that? I think not, because _I think it must be done so_.
Greetings,
Jörg
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Re: rules for the use of the name Apache OpenOffice
Posted by Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>.
> From: Rob Weir [mailto:robweir@apache.org]
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have been a member for Apache, but a few days before the
> PMC committer privileges offered me, and I see myself in the
> obligation *to respect* the rules of Apache.
> > *And I will respect* the rules of Apache.
> >
> > But what are the rules? What do I need, what we all need to write?
> >
>
> The rules are here: http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
Thanks for the information.
OK, I'll keep myself in future _only_ to these rules.
Jörg
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Re: rules for the use of the name Apache OpenOffice
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 6:28 AM, Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have been a member for Apache, but a few days before the PMC committer privileges offered me, and I see myself in the obligation *to respect* the rules of Apache.
> *And I will respect* the rules of Apache.
>
> But what are the rules? What do I need, what we all need to write?
>
The rules are here: http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
The most-common questions are answered there, as well as a good bit of theory.
> "Apache OpenOffice™"
>
> or only:
>
> "Apache OpenOffice"
>
> And Why?
>
What make it confusing is that there are three different contexts that
we need to think about:
1) How do we refer to trademarked terms on our own Apache pages, blog
posts, in the product, etc.?
2) What are the restrictions for 3rd parties who refer to the trademarks?
3) What additional requests do we ask of 3rd parties in return for
giving them additional permissions?
Here's how I understand it (but look to the above link for the
official ASF description):
For our own web pages and product we want to make it clear which terms
and images are our trademarks. We do that by putting the (TM) or (R)
symbol as appropriate, in the *first use* in each page, and by giving
a trademark statement in the footer of the page. This is generally
accomplished automatically by the website template, so no additional
effort is typically required of website authors.
For 3rd parties, the important thing to know is that a range of uses,
called nominative use, is allowed by law. This is analogous to fair
use with copyright. Under nominative use a 3rd party can call use the
name "Apache OpenOffice" to refer to the product Apache OpenOffice.
But they cannot use the term or a variation of the term to refer to
something else.
The logo is treated similarly, but the range for nominative use is
narrower. A 3rd party can use the logo to refer to the logo itself.
For example, if someone is writing an article about the history of
open source logos they could include the logo and say, "This is the
Apache OpenOffice logo". That would be nominative use.
Occasionally we get requests from 3rd parties who want to go beyond
nominative use. For example the PrOOoBox DVD, or the
X-ApacheOpenOffice from WinPenPack. In those cases the PMC reviews
the request and, if approved, asks for the stronger form of trademark
acknowledgement, as well as a link back to the www.openoffice.org
website.
The idea is that when you go beyond mere nominative use, there is
greater risk that the visitor to the 3rd party site will confuse it
for an official Apache site, so we ask for additional language on that
page to make it clear that it is an independent website.
>
> Please note :
> it would seem to me wrong to write in http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultant-submission.html
>
> " ... Note : Our official name is now Apache OpenOffice™."
>
> but in practice do the opposite.
>
> Rules are good, but rules must be clear, so if we want to, we only use "Apache OpenOffice", then this should be so in the rules.
>
> I think rules are important, and rules must be clear and must be the same for all, but what are the rules here *exactly*?
>
The rules are in the ASF page linked to above. Under the rules any
deviation from nominative use must be approved by the PMC and the ASF
VP of Branding. But note that consults listings are generally only
nominative use. We not giving them permission to use the product logo
or to brand their offering as "Apache OpenOffice Services".
>
>
> Please also understand my experiences:
>
> Personally, I have, on a petition which reached me, wrote to several German companies and noted that they can register in our list ( http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultant-submission.html ) .
>
> I have also helped some companies there, and have kept to the clear rules that Apache has set for it, such as the clear statement:
>
> " ... Note: Our official name is now Apache OpenOffice™."
>
> Similarly, we were at the PrOOo box, prompted by the OpenOffice PMC to be marked accordingly on the PrOOo box:
>
> "Provide an explicit trademark attribution in the footer. Something
> like: "Apache, the Apache feather logo, and OpenOffice are trademarks of
> The Apache Software Foundation. OpenOffice.org and the seagull logo are
> registered trademarks of The Apache Software Foundation"
>
>
> Is it _just an option_ to do that? I think not, because _I think it must be done so_.
>
Do you see now the distinction between using a logo on a DVD versus
referring to "Apache OpenOffice" on a 3rd party website?
Regards,
-Rob
>
>
> Greetings,
> Jörg
>
>
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