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Posted to dev@echarts.apache.org by Ovilia <ov...@gmail.com> on 2020/08/31 04:15:35 UTC

Permission to use domain name

Hi,

I'm a member of Apache ECharts (incubating) PPMC and I'm sending this email
to ask the permission of the domain name echartsjs.com .

This domain name is currently owned by one of our PPMC members Yi Shen and
was used as EChart's official Website before ECharts joined ASF.

Now, the Website has a link to our official Website
http://echarts.apache.org/
and a clear statement that
"ECharts is now under incubation at the Apache Software Foundation. So this
domain
name is no longer in use. Visit echarts.apache.org please"

(The reason why we use links instead of redirecting is that the local Web
policy of
the echartsjs.com has certain restrictions on the content if it's
redirecting but not
if it's a link.)

And there is a Website https://gallery.echartsjs.com/ that enables users to
upload their work
of ECharts, which also have a clear statement as:
"This Website is a community contributed work of Apache ECharts
(incubating) and it is not
an official Apache ECharts (incubating) product."

We'd like to know if there are any branding issues with how we use the
domain names
echartsjs.com and gallery.echartsjs.com here?

[1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/domains.html

Thanks

*Ovilia*

Re: Permission to use domain name

Posted by Ovilia <ov...@gmail.com>.
Some updates on the topic.
We are currently working on transferring to the new domain name and working
on the SSL certificate. Expected to be done in about one week or two.

Thanks

*Ovilia*


On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 10:07 AM Ovilia <ov...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Mark,
>
> Thanks for replying.
>
> I'm not sure you have received all previous discussions [1] so I would
> like to explain
> here in brief:
> Due to the service the gallery is using is hard to be accessed outside of
> the company,
> we have technical difficulties donating the product to the ASF. So we
> decide not to
> donate it and thus it's a product made by a third party (it's never
> open-sourced and
> all contributors are the company's employees so there shouldn't be
> copyright issues)
> and should not use Apache domain.
>
> I'm glad to hear the new domain name works for you. We wish to make it
> clear that
> this is not an official product by using this domain name.
>
> [1]
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r006a327ebeb78eb1072037b434d8590813ce8f54dbdd6c2f253f91ef%40%3Cdev.echarts.apache.org%3E
>
> Thanks
>
> *Ovilia*
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 3:36 AM Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Ovilia,
>>
>> From a trademarks perspective the new domain name is unlikely to create
>> problems. From a community perspective I continue to believe that
>> gallery.echarts.apache.org (or similar) is the right place to host that
>> content.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Mark
>> VP, Brand Management
>>
>>
>> On 24/09/2020 06:16, Ovilia wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > Previously, a non-official product was using the domain
>> > name https://gallery.echartsjs.com and
>> > it may mislead the visitors to believe this is an official Website. So a
>> > new domain name is required
>> > for this product.
>> >
>> > We'd like to hear from the advice from the ASF Trademarks whether a new
>> > domain name "makeapie.com <http://makeapie.com>"
>> > should work for the non-official product.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> > *
>> > *
>> > *Ovilia*
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 7:08 AM Mark Thomas <markt@apache.org
>> > <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
>> >
>> >     Hi,
>> >
>> >     First of all, I don't see any issues with the current content of
>> >     echartsjs.com <http://echartsjs.com>
>> >
>> >     gallery.echartsjs.com <http://gallery.echartsjs.com> is more
>> >     problematic.
>> >
>> >     PMCs are very strongly discouraged from creating focal points for
>> the
>> >     project outside of the apache.org <http://apache.org> domain.
>> >
>> >     Has the podling considered requesting INFRA create an
>> >     gallery.charts.apache.org <http://gallery.charts.apache.org> domain
>> >     name and point it to the existing server?
>> >
>> >     Has the podling considered moving that service to an ASF provided
>> >     project VM?
>> >
>> >     To be clear, this isn't an issue that needs to be deal with as a
>> matter
>> >     of urgency but it is something that ideally needs to be resolved
>> before
>> >     graduation.
>> >
>> >     Mark
>> >
>> >     Mark Thomas
>> >     VP, Brand Management
>> >
>> >     On 31/08/2020 05:15, Ovilia wrote:
>> >     > Hi,
>> >     >
>> >     > I'm a member of Apache ECharts (incubating) PPMC and I'm sending
>> >     this email
>> >     > to ask the permission of the domain name echartsjs.com
>> >     <http://echartsjs.com>
>> >     > <http://echartsjs.com> .
>> >     >
>> >     > This domain name is currently owned by one of our PPMC members Yi
>> >     Shen and
>> >     > was used as EChart's official Website before ECharts joined ASF.
>> >     >
>> >     > Now, the Website has a link to our official
>> >     > Website http://echarts.apache.org/
>> >     > and a clear statement that
>> >     > "ECharts is now under incubation at the Apache Software
>> Foundation. So
>> >     > this domain
>> >     > name is no longer in use. Visit echarts.apache.org
>> >     <http://echarts.apache.org>
>> >     > <http://echarts.apache.org> please"
>> >     >
>> >     > (The reason why we use links instead of redirecting is that the
>> local
>> >     > Web policy of
>> >     > the echartsjs.com <http://echartsjs.com> <http://echartsjs.com>
>> >     has certain restrictions on the
>> >     > content if it's redirecting but not
>> >     > if it's a link.)
>> >     >
>> >     > And there is a Website https://gallery.echartsjs.com/ that
>> enables
>> >     users
>> >     > to upload their work
>> >     > of ECharts, which also have a clear statement as:
>> >     > "This Website is a community contributed work of Apache ECharts
>> >     > (incubating) and it is not
>> >     > an official Apache ECharts (incubating) product."
>> >     >
>> >     > We'd like to know if there are any branding issues with how we
>> use the
>> >     > domain names
>> >     > echartsjs.com <http://echartsjs.com> <http://echartsjs.com>
>> >     and gallery.echartsjs.com <http://gallery.echartsjs.com>
>> >     > <http://gallery.echartsjs.com> here?
>> >     >
>> >     > [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/domains.html
>> >     >
>> >     > Thanks
>> >     > *
>> >     > *
>> >     > *Ovilia*
>> >
>> >
>> >
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Re: Permission to use domain name

Posted by Ovilia <ov...@gmail.com>.
Hi Mark,

Thanks for replying.

I'm not sure you have received all previous discussions [1] so I would like
to explain
here in brief:
Due to the service the gallery is using is hard to be accessed outside of
the company,
we have technical difficulties donating the product to the ASF. So we
decide not to
donate it and thus it's a product made by a third party (it's never
open-sourced and
all contributors are the company's employees so there shouldn't be
copyright issues)
and should not use Apache domain.

I'm glad to hear the new domain name works for you. We wish to make it
clear that
this is not an official product by using this domain name.

[1]
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r006a327ebeb78eb1072037b434d8590813ce8f54dbdd6c2f253f91ef%40%3Cdev.echarts.apache.org%3E

Thanks

*Ovilia*


On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 3:36 AM Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org> wrote:

> Hi Ovilia,
>
> From a trademarks perspective the new domain name is unlikely to create
> problems. From a community perspective I continue to believe that
> gallery.echarts.apache.org (or similar) is the right place to host that
> content.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Mark
> VP, Brand Management
>
>
> On 24/09/2020 06:16, Ovilia wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Previously, a non-official product was using the domain
> > name https://gallery.echartsjs.com and
> > it may mislead the visitors to believe this is an official Website. So a
> > new domain name is required
> > for this product.
> >
> > We'd like to hear from the advice from the ASF Trademarks whether a new
> > domain name "makeapie.com <http://makeapie.com>"
> > should work for the non-official product.
> >
> > Thanks
> > *
> > *
> > *Ovilia*
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 7:08 AM Mark Thomas <markt@apache.org
> > <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
> >
> >     Hi,
> >
> >     First of all, I don't see any issues with the current content of
> >     echartsjs.com <http://echartsjs.com>
> >
> >     gallery.echartsjs.com <http://gallery.echartsjs.com> is more
> >     problematic.
> >
> >     PMCs are very strongly discouraged from creating focal points for the
> >     project outside of the apache.org <http://apache.org> domain.
> >
> >     Has the podling considered requesting INFRA create an
> >     gallery.charts.apache.org <http://gallery.charts.apache.org> domain
> >     name and point it to the existing server?
> >
> >     Has the podling considered moving that service to an ASF provided
> >     project VM?
> >
> >     To be clear, this isn't an issue that needs to be deal with as a
> matter
> >     of urgency but it is something that ideally needs to be resolved
> before
> >     graduation.
> >
> >     Mark
> >
> >     Mark Thomas
> >     VP, Brand Management
> >
> >     On 31/08/2020 05:15, Ovilia wrote:
> >     > Hi,
> >     >
> >     > I'm a member of Apache ECharts (incubating) PPMC and I'm sending
> >     this email
> >     > to ask the permission of the domain name echartsjs.com
> >     <http://echartsjs.com>
> >     > <http://echartsjs.com> .
> >     >
> >     > This domain name is currently owned by one of our PPMC members Yi
> >     Shen and
> >     > was used as EChart's official Website before ECharts joined ASF.
> >     >
> >     > Now, the Website has a link to our official
> >     > Website http://echarts.apache.org/
> >     > and a clear statement that
> >     > "ECharts is now under incubation at the Apache Software
> Foundation. So
> >     > this domain
> >     > name is no longer in use. Visit echarts.apache.org
> >     <http://echarts.apache.org>
> >     > <http://echarts.apache.org> please"
> >     >
> >     > (The reason why we use links instead of redirecting is that the
> local
> >     > Web policy of
> >     > the echartsjs.com <http://echartsjs.com> <http://echartsjs.com>
> >     has certain restrictions on the
> >     > content if it's redirecting but not
> >     > if it's a link.)
> >     >
> >     > And there is a Website https://gallery.echartsjs.com/ that enables
> >     users
> >     > to upload their work
> >     > of ECharts, which also have a clear statement as:
> >     > "This Website is a community contributed work of Apache ECharts
> >     > (incubating) and it is not
> >     > an official Apache ECharts (incubating) product."
> >     >
> >     > We'd like to know if there are any branding issues with how we use
> the
> >     > domain names
> >     > echartsjs.com <http://echartsjs.com> <http://echartsjs.com>
> >     and gallery.echartsjs.com <http://gallery.echartsjs.com>
> >     > <http://gallery.echartsjs.com> here?
> >     >
> >     > [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/domains.html
> >     >
> >     > Thanks
> >     > *
> >     > *
> >     > *Ovilia*
> >
> >
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> >     <ma...@echarts.apache.org>
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> >     <ma...@echarts.apache.org>
> >
>
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Re: Permission to use domain name

Posted by Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>.
Hi Ovilia,

From a trademarks perspective the new domain name is unlikely to create
problems. From a community perspective I continue to believe that
gallery.echarts.apache.org (or similar) is the right place to host that
content.

Kind regards,

Mark
VP, Brand Management


On 24/09/2020 06:16, Ovilia wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Previously, a non-official product was using the domain
> name https://gallery.echartsjs.com and
> it may mislead the visitors to believe this is an official Website. So a
> new domain name is required
> for this product. 
> 
> We'd like to hear from the advice from the ASF Trademarks whether a new
> domain name "makeapie.com <http://makeapie.com>"
> should work for the non-official product.
> 
> Thanks
> *
> *
> *Ovilia*
> 
> 
> On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 7:08 AM Mark Thomas <markt@apache.org
> <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
> 
>     Hi,
> 
>     First of all, I don't see any issues with the current content of
>     echartsjs.com <http://echartsjs.com>
> 
>     gallery.echartsjs.com <http://gallery.echartsjs.com> is more
>     problematic.
> 
>     PMCs are very strongly discouraged from creating focal points for the
>     project outside of the apache.org <http://apache.org> domain.
> 
>     Has the podling considered requesting INFRA create an
>     gallery.charts.apache.org <http://gallery.charts.apache.org> domain
>     name and point it to the existing server?
> 
>     Has the podling considered moving that service to an ASF provided
>     project VM?
> 
>     To be clear, this isn't an issue that needs to be deal with as a matter
>     of urgency but it is something that ideally needs to be resolved before
>     graduation.
> 
>     Mark
> 
>     Mark Thomas
>     VP, Brand Management
> 
>     On 31/08/2020 05:15, Ovilia wrote:
>     > Hi,
>     >
>     > I'm a member of Apache ECharts (incubating) PPMC and I'm sending
>     this email
>     > to ask the permission of the domain name echartsjs.com
>     <http://echartsjs.com>
>     > <http://echartsjs.com> .
>     >
>     > This domain name is currently owned by one of our PPMC members Yi
>     Shen and
>     > was used as EChart's official Website before ECharts joined ASF.
>     >
>     > Now, the Website has a link to our official
>     > Website http://echarts.apache.org/
>     > and a clear statement that
>     > "ECharts is now under incubation at the Apache Software Foundation. So
>     > this domain 
>     > name is no longer in use. Visit echarts.apache.org
>     <http://echarts.apache.org>
>     > <http://echarts.apache.org> please"
>     >
>     > (The reason why we use links instead of redirecting is that the local
>     > Web policy of
>     > the echartsjs.com <http://echartsjs.com> <http://echartsjs.com>
>     has certain restrictions on the
>     > content if it's redirecting but not
>     > if it's a link.)
>     >
>     > And there is a Website https://gallery.echartsjs.com/ that enables
>     users
>     > to upload their work
>     > of ECharts, which also have a clear statement as:
>     > "This Website is a community contributed work of Apache ECharts
>     > (incubating) and it is not
>     > an official Apache ECharts (incubating) product."
>     >
>     > We'd like to know if there are any branding issues with how we use the
>     > domain names 
>     > echartsjs.com <http://echartsjs.com> <http://echartsjs.com>
>     and gallery.echartsjs.com <http://gallery.echartsjs.com>
>     > <http://gallery.echartsjs.com> here?
>     >
>     > [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/domains.html
>     >
>     > Thanks
>     > *
>     > *
>     > *Ovilia*
> 
> 
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Re: Permission to use domain name

Posted by Ovilia <ov...@gmail.com>.
Hello,

Previously, a non-official product was using the domain name
https://gallery.echartsjs.com and
it may mislead the visitors to believe this is an official Website. So a
new domain name is required
for this product.

We'd like to hear from the advice from the ASF Trademarks whether a new
domain name "makeapie.com"
should work for the non-official product.

Thanks

*Ovilia*


On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 7:08 AM Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> First of all, I don't see any issues with the current content of
> echartsjs.com
>
> gallery.echartsjs.com is more problematic.
>
> PMCs are very strongly discouraged from creating focal points for the
> project outside of the apache.org domain.
>
> Has the podling considered requesting INFRA create an
> gallery.charts.apache.org domain name and point it to the existing server?
>
> Has the podling considered moving that service to an ASF provided
> project VM?
>
> To be clear, this isn't an issue that needs to be deal with as a matter
> of urgency but it is something that ideally needs to be resolved before
> graduation.
>
> Mark
>
> Mark Thomas
> VP, Brand Management
>
> On 31/08/2020 05:15, Ovilia wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm a member of Apache ECharts (incubating) PPMC and I'm sending this
> email
> > to ask the permission of the domain name echartsjs.com
> > <http://echartsjs.com> .
> >
> > This domain name is currently owned by one of our PPMC members Yi Shen
> and
> > was used as EChart's official Website before ECharts joined ASF.
> >
> > Now, the Website has a link to our official
> > Website http://echarts.apache.org/
> > and a clear statement that
> > "ECharts is now under incubation at the Apache Software Foundation. So
> > this domain
> > name is no longer in use. Visit echarts.apache.org
> > <http://echarts.apache.org> please"
> >
> > (The reason why we use links instead of redirecting is that the local
> > Web policy of
> > the echartsjs.com <http://echartsjs.com> has certain restrictions on the
> > content if it's redirecting but not
> > if it's a link.)
> >
> > And there is a Website https://gallery.echartsjs.com/ that enables users
> > to upload their work
> > of ECharts, which also have a clear statement as:
> > "This Website is a community contributed work of Apache ECharts
> > (incubating) and it is not
> > an official Apache ECharts (incubating) product."
> >
> > We'd like to know if there are any branding issues with how we use the
> > domain names
> > echartsjs.com <http://echartsjs.com> and gallery.echartsjs.com
> > <http://gallery.echartsjs.com> here?
> >
> > [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/domains.html
> >
> > Thanks
> > *
> > *
> > *Ovilia*
>
>
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Re: Permission to use domain name

Posted by Ovilia <ov...@gmail.com>.
@Greg Stein <gs...@apache.org> said:

That should not be a problem! ... let's say the server is located at "
something-a38cf9.baidu.com" ... we can simply create a CNAME DNS record for
gallery.echarts.apache.org to point to that server. This is actually quite
normal for various apache.org hostnames. We point to servers located "off
premises" all the time. Then, echarts can create links to direct people to
gallery.echarts.apache.org. Solved!

We would appreciate it if Greg could give some further explanation on this.
Would it be a problem as mentioned by Sheng Wu?

Thanks

*Ovilia*


On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 5:24 PM Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi
>
> Hosting un-ASF codes on apache.org seems an issue to me.
> Because we only release our own source codes.
>
> Please correct me if I misunderstood something.
>
> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
> Ovilia <ov...@gmail.com> 于2020年9月17日周四 下午5:19写道：
>
>> Sorry to interrupt.
>>
>> We are still waiting for precious feedback from our mentors and IPMC
>> members on
>> the gallery Website.
>> @Kevin A. McGrail <km...@apache.org> @Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> @Sheng
>> Wu <wu...@gmail.com> @Justin Mclean <jm...@apache.org>
>>
>> > Another thing I'd like to confirm here is that, would it be OK for the
>> ASF that we use
>> the domain name gallery.echarts.apache.org for the gallery while keeping
>> the code
>> license and the ownership of the user data to be of Baidu?
>>
>> Hope to know what you think about this.
>> Thanks
>>
>> *Ovilia*
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 2:08 PM Ovilia <ov...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Another thing I'd like to confirm here is that, would it be OK for the
>>> ASF that we use
>>> the domain name gallery.echarts.apache.org for the gallery while
>>> keeping the code
>>> license and the ownership of the user data to be of Baidu?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> *Ovilia*
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 12:13 AM Zhongxiang Wang <wa...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I appreciate using a subdomain of echarts.apache.org.
>>>>
>>>> It's simple enough to create a CNAME DNS record `
>>>> gallery.echarts.apache.org` pointing to the current server of the
>>>> domain `gallery.echartsjs.com` and we have no need to do something
>>>> extra.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Zhongxiang.
>>>>
>>>> On 2020/09/11 08:06:38, Ovilia <ov...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > Thanks Dave!
>>>> >
>>>> > In this case, I would personally prefer using
>>>> gallery.echarts.apache.org
>>>> > instead of
>>>> > gallery.echartsjs.com.
>>>> >
>>>> > Hope to hear from other PPMC members' opinions.
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks
>>>> >
>>>> > *Ovilia*
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 2:56 AM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > > Hi -
>>>> > >
>>>> > > (With my mentor hat.)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Apologies for the late reply. I am fine for this to happen. It is
>>>> not
>>>> > > unprecedented.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > For example, the Apache OpenOffice PMC was able to continue using
>>>> > > openoffice.org since it already had a huge user base. While much
>>>> of the
>>>> > > domain is hosted on ASF infrastructure including PMC maintained VMs
>>>> hosted
>>>> > > on ASF Infra, a few subdomains like templates.openoffice.org is
>>>> actually
>>>> > > hosted via CNAME on sourceforge.net.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > What Infra and Greg would like to see is the PPMC members discussing
>>>> > > whether they have trouble with Baidu hosting a resource a particular
>>>> > > subdomain.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Regards,
>>>> > > Dave
>>>> > >
>>>> > > > On Sep 7, 2020, at 8:27 PM, Ovilia <ov...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Do our mentors and Justin have anything to comment on this plan?
>>>> > > > Would it be all right if Baidu owns the user data and server
>>>> while using
>>>> > > > Apache domain name?
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Thanks
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Ovilia
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 11:20 AM Yi Shen <shenyi.914@gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:
>>>> > > shenyi.914@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> > > > Hi Greg,
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Thanks for the very detailed explanation.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > What we concerned about is that we need to donate the server as
>>>> we did on
>>>> > > > the website CDN in China.
>>>> > > > It will be good if we only need to create a CNAME for
>>>> > > > gallery.echarts.apache.org <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/>.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Regards.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 5:57 AM Greg Stein <gstein@gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:
>>>> > > gstein@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > > On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 4:16 AM Ovilia <oviliazhang@gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:
>>>> > > oviliazhang@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> > > > > >...
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > > I don't think we could use the domain name
>>>> > > gallery.echarts.apache.org <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/>
>>>> > > > > but
>>>> > > > > > keep
>>>> > > > > > the server in Baidu company inside (correct me if I'm wrong),
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > That should not be a problem! ... let's say the server is
>>>> located at "
>>>> > > > > something-a38cf9.baidu.com <http://something-a38cf9.baidu.com/>"
>>>> ...
>>>> > > we can simply create a CNAME DNS record
>>>> > > > > for
>>>> > > > > gallery.echarts.apache.org <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/>
>>>> to
>>>> > > point to that server. This is actually quite
>>>> > > > > normal for various apache.org <http://apache.org/> hostnames.
>>>> We
>>>> > > point to servers located "off
>>>> > > > > premises" all the time. Then, echarts can create links to direct
>>>> > > people to
>>>> > > > > gallery.echarts.apache.org <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/
>>>> >.
>>>> > > Solved!
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > Setting up such a CNAME is very simple for INFRA, so don't
>>>> worry about
>>>> > > the
>>>> > > > > work. We can have it set up as soon as the community reaches
>>>> consensus
>>>> > > on
>>>> > > > > that approach (eg. discussion/vote where Infra can see the
>>>> community
>>>> > > > > agrees). Discuss, the file an INFRA Jira ticket.
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > Cheers,
>>>> > > > > -g
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > --
>>>> > > > Yi Shen
>>>> > > > Apache ECharts(incubating) PPMC
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@echarts.apache.org
>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@echarts.apache.org
>>>>
>>>>

Re: Permission to use domain name

Posted by Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com>.
Hi

Hosting un-ASF codes on apache.org seems an issue to me.
Because we only release our own source codes.

Please correct me if I misunderstood something.

Sheng Wu 吴晟
Twitter, wusheng1108


Ovilia <ov...@gmail.com> 于2020年9月17日周四 下午5:19写道：

> Sorry to interrupt.
>
> We are still waiting for precious feedback from our mentors and IPMC
> members on
> the gallery Website.
> @Kevin A. McGrail <km...@apache.org> @Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> @Sheng
> Wu <wu...@gmail.com> @Justin Mclean <jm...@apache.org>
>
> > Another thing I'd like to confirm here is that, would it be OK for the
> ASF that we use
> the domain name gallery.echarts.apache.org for the gallery while keeping
> the code
> license and the ownership of the user data to be of Baidu?
>
> Hope to know what you think about this.
> Thanks
>
> *Ovilia*
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 2:08 PM Ovilia <ov...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Another thing I'd like to confirm here is that, would it be OK for the
>> ASF that we use
>> the domain name gallery.echarts.apache.org for the gallery while keeping
>> the code
>> license and the ownership of the user data to be of Baidu?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> *Ovilia*
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 12:13 AM Zhongxiang Wang <wa...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I appreciate using a subdomain of echarts.apache.org.
>>>
>>> It's simple enough to create a CNAME DNS record `
>>> gallery.echarts.apache.org` pointing to the current server of the
>>> domain `gallery.echartsjs.com` and we have no need to do something
>>> extra.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Zhongxiang.
>>>
>>> On 2020/09/11 08:06:38, Ovilia <ov...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Thanks Dave!
>>> >
>>> > In this case, I would personally prefer using
>>> gallery.echarts.apache.org
>>> > instead of
>>> > gallery.echartsjs.com.
>>> >
>>> > Hope to hear from other PPMC members' opinions.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks
>>> >
>>> > *Ovilia*
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 2:56 AM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Hi -
>>> > >
>>> > > (With my mentor hat.)
>>> > >
>>> > > Apologies for the late reply. I am fine for this to happen. It is not
>>> > > unprecedented.
>>> > >
>>> > > For example, the Apache OpenOffice PMC was able to continue using
>>> > > openoffice.org since it already had a huge user base. While much of
>>> the
>>> > > domain is hosted on ASF infrastructure including PMC maintained VMs
>>> hosted
>>> > > on ASF Infra, a few subdomains like templates.openoffice.org is
>>> actually
>>> > > hosted via CNAME on sourceforge.net.
>>> > >
>>> > > What Infra and Greg would like to see is the PPMC members discussing
>>> > > whether they have trouble with Baidu hosting a resource a particular
>>> > > subdomain.
>>> > >
>>> > > Regards,
>>> > > Dave
>>> > >
>>> > > > On Sep 7, 2020, at 8:27 PM, Ovilia <ov...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Do our mentors and Justin have anything to comment on this plan?
>>> > > > Would it be all right if Baidu owns the user data and server while
>>> using
>>> > > > Apache domain name?
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Thanks
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Ovilia
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 11:20 AM Yi Shen <shenyi.914@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:
>>> > > shenyi.914@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> > > > Hi Greg,
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Thanks for the very detailed explanation.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > What we concerned about is that we need to donate the server as we
>>> did on
>>> > > > the website CDN in China.
>>> > > > It will be good if we only need to create a CNAME for
>>> > > > gallery.echarts.apache.org <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/>.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Regards.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 5:57 AM Greg Stein <gstein@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:
>>> > > gstein@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > > > On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 4:16 AM Ovilia <oviliazhang@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:
>>> > > oviliazhang@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> > > > > >...
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > > I don't think we could use the domain name
>>> > > gallery.echarts.apache.org <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/>
>>> > > > > but
>>> > > > > > keep
>>> > > > > > the server in Baidu company inside (correct me if I'm wrong),
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > That should not be a problem! ... let's say the server is
>>> located at "
>>> > > > > something-a38cf9.baidu.com <http://something-a38cf9.baidu.com/>"
>>> ...
>>> > > we can simply create a CNAME DNS record
>>> > > > > for
>>> > > > > gallery.echarts.apache.org <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/>
>>> to
>>> > > point to that server. This is actually quite
>>> > > > > normal for various apache.org <http://apache.org/> hostnames. We
>>> > > point to servers located "off
>>> > > > > premises" all the time. Then, echarts can create links to direct
>>> > > people to
>>> > > > > gallery.echarts.apache.org <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/>.
>>> > > Solved!
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > Setting up such a CNAME is very simple for INFRA, so don't worry
>>> about
>>> > > the
>>> > > > > work. We can have it set up as soon as the community reaches
>>> consensus
>>> > > on
>>> > > > > that approach (eg. discussion/vote where Infra can see the
>>> community
>>> > > > > agrees). Discuss, the file an INFRA Jira ticket.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > Cheers,
>>> > > > > -g
>>> > > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > --
>>> > > > Yi Shen
>>> > > > Apache ECharts(incubating) PPMC
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>>
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>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@echarts.apache.org
>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@echarts.apache.org
>>>
>>>

Re: Permission to use domain name

Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
Hi,

> > Another thing I'd like to confirm here is that, would it be OK for the ASF that we use
> the domain name gallery.echarts.apache.org <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/> for the gallery while keeping the code
> license and the ownership of the user data to be of Baidu? 

Baidu rather than the project having the rights to the user data doesn’t really feel right to me.

Thanks,
Justin

Re: Permission to use domain name

Posted by Ovilia <ov...@gmail.com>.
Sorry to interrupt.

We are still waiting for precious feedback from our mentors and IPMC
members on
the gallery Website.
@Kevin A. McGrail <km...@apache.org> @Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> @Sheng
Wu <wu...@gmail.com> @Justin Mclean <jm...@apache.org>

> Another thing I'd like to confirm here is that, would it be OK for the
ASF that we use
the domain name gallery.echarts.apache.org for the gallery while keeping
the code
license and the ownership of the user data to be of Baidu?

Hope to know what you think about this.
Thanks

*Ovilia*


On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 2:08 PM Ovilia <ov...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Another thing I'd like to confirm here is that, would it be OK for the ASF
> that we use
> the domain name gallery.echarts.apache.org for the gallery while keeping
> the code
> license and the ownership of the user data to be of Baidu?
>
> Thanks
>
> *Ovilia*
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 12:13 AM Zhongxiang Wang <wa...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
>> I appreciate using a subdomain of echarts.apache.org.
>>
>> It's simple enough to create a CNAME DNS record `
>> gallery.echarts.apache.org` pointing to the current server of the domain
>> `gallery.echartsjs.com` and we have no need to do something extra.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Zhongxiang.
>>
>> On 2020/09/11 08:06:38, Ovilia <ov...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Thanks Dave!
>> >
>> > In this case, I would personally prefer using
>> gallery.echarts.apache.org
>> > instead of
>> > gallery.echartsjs.com.
>> >
>> > Hope to hear from other PPMC members' opinions.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > *Ovilia*
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 2:56 AM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hi -
>> > >
>> > > (With my mentor hat.)
>> > >
>> > > Apologies for the late reply. I am fine for this to happen. It is not
>> > > unprecedented.
>> > >
>> > > For example, the Apache OpenOffice PMC was able to continue using
>> > > openoffice.org since it already had a huge user base. While much of
>> the
>> > > domain is hosted on ASF infrastructure including PMC maintained VMs
>> hosted
>> > > on ASF Infra, a few subdomains like templates.openoffice.org is
>> actually
>> > > hosted via CNAME on sourceforge.net.
>> > >
>> > > What Infra and Greg would like to see is the PPMC members discussing
>> > > whether they have trouble with Baidu hosting a resource a particular
>> > > subdomain.
>> > >
>> > > Regards,
>> > > Dave
>> > >
>> > > > On Sep 7, 2020, at 8:27 PM, Ovilia <ov...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Do our mentors and Justin have anything to comment on this plan?
>> > > > Would it be all right if Baidu owns the user data and server while
>> using
>> > > > Apache domain name?
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks
>> > > >
>> > > > Ovilia
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 11:20 AM Yi Shen <shenyi.914@gmail.com
>> <mailto:
>> > > shenyi.914@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> > > > Hi Greg,
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks for the very detailed explanation.
>> > > >
>> > > > What we concerned about is that we need to donate the server as we
>> did on
>> > > > the website CDN in China.
>> > > > It will be good if we only need to create a CNAME for
>> > > > gallery.echarts.apache.org <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/>.
>> > > >
>> > > > Regards.
>> > > >
>> > > > On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 5:57 AM Greg Stein <gstein@gmail.com
>> <mailto:
>> > > gstein@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 4:16 AM Ovilia <oviliazhang@gmail.com
>> <mailto:
>> > > oviliazhang@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> > > > > >...
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > I don't think we could use the domain name
>> > > gallery.echarts.apache.org <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/>
>> > > > > but
>> > > > > > keep
>> > > > > > the server in Baidu company inside (correct me if I'm wrong),
>> > > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > That should not be a problem! ... let's say the server is located
>> at "
>> > > > > something-a38cf9.baidu.com <http://something-a38cf9.baidu.com/>"
>> ...
>> > > we can simply create a CNAME DNS record
>> > > > > for
>> > > > > gallery.echarts.apache.org <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/>
>> to
>> > > point to that server. This is actually quite
>> > > > > normal for various apache.org <http://apache.org/> hostnames. We
>> > > point to servers located "off
>> > > > > premises" all the time. Then, echarts can create links to direct
>> > > people to
>> > > > > gallery.echarts.apache.org <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/>.
>> > > Solved!
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Setting up such a CNAME is very simple for INFRA, so don't worry
>> about
>> > > the
>> > > > > work. We can have it set up as soon as the community reaches
>> consensus
>> > > on
>> > > > > that approach (eg. discussion/vote where Infra can see the
>> community
>> > > > > agrees). Discuss, the file an INFRA Jira ticket.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Cheers,
>> > > > > -g
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > --
>> > > > Yi Shen
>> > > > Apache ECharts(incubating) PPMC
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@echarts.apache.org
>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@echarts.apache.org
>>
>>

Re: Permission to use domain name

Posted by Ovilia <ov...@gmail.com>.
Thanks to Dave and Kevin.
We will work on it.

In the meantime, if anyone has any questions upon other things related to
Apache ECharts (incubating)'s graduation, you are welcomed to raise them
up now.

Thanks

*Ovilia*


On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 2:14 AM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:

> Hi -
>
> I agree with Kevin.
>
> > On Sep 19, 2020, at 11:32 AM, Kevin A. McGrail <km...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Ovilia,
> >
> > If the new domain doesn't reference apache or echarts name, that would
> > be completely fine with a disclaimer as you suggest.  They could even
> > use a Powered By Logo https://www.apache.org/foundation/press/kit/
> >
> > I would ask branding for guidance on the domain name but something like
> > gallery.baidu.com as a subdomain would be fine.  no need for a new
> > domain name.
>
> As long as it does not include “ECharts” in the domain name or url
> branding should be happy.
>
> You can certainly link to it from the website. You should also have text
> that says that if anyone wants to offer a third party set of ECharts
> examples that they should contact the PMC. The PMC would review and add the
> links.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> >
> > On 9/17/2020 11:07 PM, Ovilia wrote:
> >> Yes, I agree with that it doesn't seem proper to let a company owned
> >> product
> >> use an Apache domain.
> >>
> >> As I said, we have technical difficulty donating the server. How can
> >> we make
> >> PPMC owns it if the server cannot be accessed outside of Baidu?
> >>
> >> I really don't wish to make things complicated here. The gallery is a
> >> platform
> >> hosting user uploaded works of ECharts and it's not part of the
> >> ECharts software
> >> but a third-party tool.
> >>
> >> So how about Baidu picking another domain name
> >> (and ask IPMC for suggestion before purchasing) for the product and make
> >> a clear notification that the gallery is not an official product of ASF?
> >> ECharts official Website will not link to it if IPMC think it's not
> >> proper.
> >>
> >> IMO it shouldn't have any problem if it doesn't claim to be an
> >> official ECharts
> >> product (correct me if I'm wrong) but just powered by ECharts.
> >> By using a domain name that does not contain ECharts in it, we hope
> >> not to be
> >> taken by mistake as an official product.
> >>
> >> Hope this proposal could work with you.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> *
> >> *
> >> *Ovilia*
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 10:49 AM Kevin A. McGrail <kmcgrail@apache.org
> >> <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>    On 9/14/2020 2:08 AM, Ovilia wrote:
> >>> Another thing I'd like to confirm here is that, would it be OK
> >>    for the ASF
> >>> that we use
> >>> the domain name gallery.echarts.apache.org
> >>    <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org> for the gallery while keeping
> >>> the code
> >>> license and the ownership of the user data to be of Baidu?
> >>
> >>    Ovilia, yes, I see that as a problem to use an apache.org
> >>    <http://apache.org> sub-domain for
> >>    any third party.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>>
> >>> *Ovilia*
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 12:13 AM Zhongxiang Wang
> >>    <wangzx@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I appreciate using a subdomain of echarts.apache.org
> >>    <http://echarts.apache.org>.
> >>>>
> >>>> It's simple enough to create a CNAME DNS record `
> >>>> gallery.echarts.apache.org <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org>`
> >>    pointing to the current server of the domain `
> >>>> gallery.echartsjs.com <http://gallery.echartsjs.com>` and we
> >>    have no need to do something extra.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Zhongxiang.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 2020/09/11 08:06:38, Ovilia <oviliazhang@gmail.com
> >>    <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>> Thanks Dave!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In this case, I would personally prefer using
> >>    gallery.echarts.apache.org <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org>
> >>>>> instead of
> >>>>> gallery.echartsjs.com <http://gallery.echartsjs.com>.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hope to hear from other PPMC members' opinions.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>
> >>>>> *Ovilia*
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 2:56 AM Dave Fisher <wave@apache.org
> >>    <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi -
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> (With my mentor hat.)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Apologies for the late reply. I am fine for this to happen.
> >>    It is not
> >>>>>> unprecedented.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> For example, the Apache OpenOffice PMC was able to continue using
> >>>>>> openoffice.org <http://openoffice.org> since it already had a
> >>    huge user base. While much of
> >>>> the
> >>>>>> domain is hosted on ASF infrastructure including PMC
> >>    maintained VMs
> >>>> hosted
> >>>>>> on ASF Infra, a few subdomains like templates.openoffice.org
> >>    <http://templates.openoffice.org> is
> >>>> actually
> >>>>>> hosted via CNAME on sourceforge.net <http://sourceforge.net>.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> What Infra and Greg would like to see is the PPMC members
> >>    discussing
> >>>>>> whether they have trouble with Baidu hosting a resource a
> >>    particular
> >>>>>> subdomain.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>> Dave
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sep 7, 2020, at 8:27 PM, Ovilia <oviliazhang@gmail.com
> >>    <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Do our mentors and Justin have anything to comment on this plan?
> >>>>>>> Would it be all right if Baidu owns the user data and server
> >>    while
> >>>> using
> >>>>>>> Apache domain name?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Ovilia
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 11:20 AM Yi Shen
> >>    <shenyi.914@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>
> >>>> <mailto:
> >>>>>> shenyi.914@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Hi Greg,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks for the very detailed explanation.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> What we concerned about is that we need to donate the server
> >>    as we
> >>>> did on
> >>>>>>> the website CDN in China.
> >>>>>>> It will be good if we only need to create a CNAME for
> >>>>>>> gallery.echarts.apache.org
> >>    <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org>
> >>    <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/>.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Regards.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 5:57 AM Greg Stein <gstein@gmail.com
> >>    <ma...@gmail.com> <mailto:
> >>>>>> gstein@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 4:16 AM Ovilia
> >>    <oviliazhang@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>
> >>>> <mailto:
> >>>>>> oviliazhang@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>>>> I don't think we could use the domain name
> >>>>>> gallery.echarts.apache.org
> >>    <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org>
> >>    <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/>
> >>>>>>>> but
> >>>>>>>>> keep
> >>>>>>>>> the server in Baidu company inside (correct me if I'm wrong),
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> That should not be a problem! ... let's say the server is
> >>    located
> >>>> at "
> >>>>>>>> something-a38cf9.baidu.com
> >>    <http://something-a38cf9.baidu.com>
> >>    <http://something-a38cf9.baidu.com/>"
> >>>> ...
> >>>>>> we can simply create a CNAME DNS record
> >>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>> gallery.echarts.apache.org
> >>    <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org>
> >>    <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/> to
> >>>>>> point to that server. This is actually quite
> >>>>>>>> normal for various apache.org <http://apache.org>
> >>    <http://apache.org/> hostnames. We
> >>>>>> point to servers located "off
> >>>>>>>> premises" all the time. Then, echarts can create links to
> >>    direct
> >>>>>> people to
> >>>>>>>> gallery.echarts.apache.org
> >>    <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org>
> >>    <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/>.
> >>>>>> Solved!
> >>>>>>>> Setting up such a CNAME is very simple for INFRA, so don't
> >>    worry
> >>>> about
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> work. We can have it set up as soon as the community reaches
> >>>> consensus
> >>>>>> on
> >>>>>>>> that approach (eg. discussion/vote where Infra can see the
> >>>> community
> >>>>>>>> agrees). Discuss, the file an INFRA Jira ticket.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>>> -g
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> Yi Shen
> >>>>>>> Apache ECharts(incubating) PPMC
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>    ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@echarts.apache.org
> >>    <ma...@echarts.apache.org>
> >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@echarts.apache.org
> >>    <ma...@echarts.apache.org>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>    --
> >>    Kevin A. McGrail
> >>    KMcGrail@Apache.org
> >>
> >>    Member, Apache Software Foundation
> >>    Chair Emeritus Apache SpamAssassin Project
> >>    https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmcgrail - 703.798.0171
> >>
> >>
> >>    ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>    To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@echarts.apache.org
> >>    <ma...@echarts.apache.org>
> >>    For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@echarts.apache.org
> >>    <ma...@echarts.apache.org>
> >>
> > --
> > Kevin A. McGrail
> > KMcGrail@Apache.org
> >
> > Member, Apache Software Foundation
> > Chair Emeritus Apache SpamAssassin Project
> > https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmcgrail - 703.798.0171
> >
>
>
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>
>

Re: Permission to use domain name

Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>.
Hi -

I agree with Kevin.

> On Sep 19, 2020, at 11:32 AM, Kevin A. McGrail <km...@apache.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ovilia,
> 
> If the new domain doesn't reference apache or echarts name, that would
> be completely fine with a disclaimer as you suggest.  They could even
> use a Powered By Logo https://www.apache.org/foundation/press/kit/
> 
> I would ask branding for guidance on the domain name but something like
> gallery.baidu.com as a subdomain would be fine.  no need for a new
> domain name.

As long as it does not include “ECharts” in the domain name or url branding should be happy.

You can certainly link to it from the website. You should also have text that says that if anyone wants to offer a third party set of ECharts examples that they should contact the PMC. The PMC would review and add the links. 

Regards,
Dave

> 
> On 9/17/2020 11:07 PM, Ovilia wrote:
>> Yes, I agree with that it doesn't seem proper to let a company owned
>> product
>> use an Apache domain. 
>> 
>> As I said, we have technical difficulty donating the server. How can
>> we make
>> PPMC owns it if the server cannot be accessed outside of Baidu?
>> 
>> I really don't wish to make things complicated here. The gallery is a
>> platform
>> hosting user uploaded works of ECharts and it's not part of the
>> ECharts software
>> but a third-party tool.
>> 
>> So how about Baidu picking another domain name
>> (and ask IPMC for suggestion before purchasing) for the product and make
>> a clear notification that the gallery is not an official product of ASF?
>> ECharts official Website will not link to it if IPMC think it's not
>> proper.
>> 
>> IMO it shouldn't have any problem if it doesn't claim to be an
>> official ECharts 
>> product (correct me if I'm wrong) but just powered by ECharts. 
>> By using a domain name that does not contain ECharts in it, we hope
>> not to be
>> taken by mistake as an official product.
>> 
>> Hope this proposal could work with you.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> *
>> *
>> *Ovilia*
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 10:49 AM Kevin A. McGrail <kmcgrail@apache.org
>> <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>    On 9/14/2020 2:08 AM, Ovilia wrote:
>>> Another thing I'd like to confirm here is that, would it be OK
>>    for the ASF
>>> that we use
>>> the domain name gallery.echarts.apache.org
>>    <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org> for the gallery while keeping
>>> the code
>>> license and the ownership of the user data to be of Baidu?
>> 
>>    Ovilia, yes, I see that as a problem to use an apache.org
>>    <http://apache.org> sub-domain for
>>    any third party.
>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> *Ovilia*
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 12:13 AM Zhongxiang Wang
>>    <wangzx@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I appreciate using a subdomain of echarts.apache.org
>>    <http://echarts.apache.org>.
>>>> 
>>>> It's simple enough to create a CNAME DNS record `
>>>> gallery.echarts.apache.org <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org>`
>>    pointing to the current server of the domain `
>>>> gallery.echartsjs.com <http://gallery.echartsjs.com>` and we
>>    have no need to do something extra.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Zhongxiang.
>>>> 
>>>> On 2020/09/11 08:06:38, Ovilia <oviliazhang@gmail.com
>>    <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> Thanks Dave!
>>>>> 
>>>>> In this case, I would personally prefer using
>>    gallery.echarts.apache.org <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org>
>>>>> instead of
>>>>> gallery.echartsjs.com <http://gallery.echartsjs.com>.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hope to hear from other PPMC members' opinions.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> 
>>>>> *Ovilia*
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 2:56 AM Dave Fisher <wave@apache.org
>>    <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi -
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> (With my mentor hat.)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Apologies for the late reply. I am fine for this to happen.
>>    It is not
>>>>>> unprecedented.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> For example, the Apache OpenOffice PMC was able to continue using
>>>>>> openoffice.org <http://openoffice.org> since it already had a
>>    huge user base. While much of
>>>> the
>>>>>> domain is hosted on ASF infrastructure including PMC
>>    maintained VMs
>>>> hosted
>>>>>> on ASF Infra, a few subdomains like templates.openoffice.org
>>    <http://templates.openoffice.org> is
>>>> actually
>>>>>> hosted via CNAME on sourceforge.net <http://sourceforge.net>.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What Infra and Greg would like to see is the PPMC members
>>    discussing
>>>>>> whether they have trouble with Baidu hosting a resource a
>>    particular
>>>>>> subdomain.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sep 7, 2020, at 8:27 PM, Ovilia <oviliazhang@gmail.com
>>    <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Do our mentors and Justin have anything to comment on this plan?
>>>>>>> Would it be all right if Baidu owns the user data and server
>>    while
>>>> using
>>>>>>> Apache domain name?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Ovilia
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 11:20 AM Yi Shen
>>    <shenyi.914@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>
>>>> <mailto:
>>>>>> shenyi.914@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Greg,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks for the very detailed explanation.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> What we concerned about is that we need to donate the server
>>    as we
>>>> did on
>>>>>>> the website CDN in China.
>>>>>>> It will be good if we only need to create a CNAME for
>>>>>>> gallery.echarts.apache.org
>>    <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org>
>>    <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/>.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Regards.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 5:57 AM Greg Stein <gstein@gmail.com
>>    <ma...@gmail.com> <mailto:
>>>>>> gstein@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 4:16 AM Ovilia
>>    <oviliazhang@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>
>>>> <mailto:
>>>>>> oviliazhang@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>> I don't think we could use the domain name
>>>>>> gallery.echarts.apache.org
>>    <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org>
>>    <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/>
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>> keep
>>>>>>>>> the server in Baidu company inside (correct me if I'm wrong),
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> That should not be a problem! ... let's say the server is
>>    located
>>>> at "
>>>>>>>> something-a38cf9.baidu.com
>>    <http://something-a38cf9.baidu.com>
>>    <http://something-a38cf9.baidu.com/>"
>>>> ...
>>>>>> we can simply create a CNAME DNS record
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> gallery.echarts.apache.org
>>    <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org>
>>    <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/> to
>>>>>> point to that server. This is actually quite
>>>>>>>> normal for various apache.org <http://apache.org>
>>    <http://apache.org/> hostnames. We
>>>>>> point to servers located "off
>>>>>>>> premises" all the time. Then, echarts can create links to
>>    direct
>>>>>> people to
>>>>>>>> gallery.echarts.apache.org
>>    <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org>
>>    <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/>.
>>>>>> Solved!
>>>>>>>> Setting up such a CNAME is very simple for INFRA, so don't
>>    worry
>>>> about
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> work. We can have it set up as soon as the community reaches
>>>> consensus
>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> that approach (eg. discussion/vote where Infra can see the
>>>> community
>>>>>>>> agrees). Discuss, the file an INFRA Jira ticket.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> -g
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Yi Shen
>>>>>>> Apache ECharts(incubating) PPMC
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>    <ma...@echarts.apache.org>
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>> 
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Re: Permission to use domain name

Posted by "Kevin A. McGrail" <km...@apache.org>.
Hi Ovilia,

If the new domain doesn't reference apache or echarts name, that would
be completely fine with a disclaimer as you suggest.  They could even
use a Powered By Logo https://www.apache.org/foundation/press/kit/

I would ask branding for guidance on the domain name but something like
gallery.baidu.com as a subdomain would be fine.  no need for a new
domain name.

On 9/17/2020 11:07 PM, Ovilia wrote:
> Yes, I agree with that it doesn't seem proper to let a company owned
> product
> use an Apache domain. 
>
> As I said, we have technical difficulty donating the server. How can
> we make
> PPMC owns it if the server cannot be accessed outside of Baidu?
>
> I really don't wish to make things complicated here. The gallery is a
> platform
> hosting user uploaded works of ECharts and it's not part of the
> ECharts software
> but a third-party tool.
>
> So how about Baidu picking another domain name
> (and ask IPMC for suggestion before purchasing) for the product and make
> a clear notification that the gallery is not an official product of ASF?
> ECharts official Website will not link to it if IPMC think it's not
> proper.
>
> IMO it shouldn't have any problem if it doesn't claim to be an
> official ECharts 
> product (correct me if I'm wrong) but just powered by ECharts. 
> By using a domain name that does not contain ECharts in it, we hope
> not to be
> taken by mistake as an official product.
>
> Hope this proposal could work with you.
>
> Thanks
> *
> *
> *Ovilia*
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 10:49 AM Kevin A. McGrail <kmcgrail@apache.org
> <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
>
>
>     On 9/14/2020 2:08 AM, Ovilia wrote:
>     > Another thing I'd like to confirm here is that, would it be OK
>     for the ASF
>     > that we use
>     > the domain name gallery.echarts.apache.org
>     <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org> for the gallery while keeping
>     > the code
>     > license and the ownership of the user data to be of Baidu?
>
>     Ovilia, yes, I see that as a problem to use an apache.org
>     <http://apache.org> sub-domain for
>     any third party.
>
>     >
>     > Thanks
>     >
>     > *Ovilia*
>     >
>     >
>     > On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 12:13 AM Zhongxiang Wang
>     <wangzx@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
>     >
>     >> I appreciate using a subdomain of echarts.apache.org
>     <http://echarts.apache.org>.
>     >>
>     >> It's simple enough to create a CNAME DNS record `
>     >> gallery.echarts.apache.org <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org>`
>     pointing to the current server of the domain `
>     >> gallery.echartsjs.com <http://gallery.echartsjs.com>` and we
>     have no need to do something extra.
>     >>
>     >> Thanks,
>     >> Zhongxiang.
>     >>
>     >> On 2020/09/11 08:06:38, Ovilia <oviliazhang@gmail.com
>     <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>     >>> Thanks Dave!
>     >>>
>     >>> In this case, I would personally prefer using
>     gallery.echarts.apache.org <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org>
>     >>> instead of
>     >>> gallery.echartsjs.com <http://gallery.echartsjs.com>.
>     >>>
>     >>> Hope to hear from other PPMC members' opinions.
>     >>>
>     >>> Thanks
>     >>>
>     >>> *Ovilia*
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 2:56 AM Dave Fisher <wave@apache.org
>     <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
>     >>>
>     >>>> Hi -
>     >>>>
>     >>>> (With my mentor hat.)
>     >>>>
>     >>>> Apologies for the late reply. I am fine for this to happen.
>     It is not
>     >>>> unprecedented.
>     >>>>
>     >>>> For example, the Apache OpenOffice PMC was able to continue using
>     >>>> openoffice.org <http://openoffice.org> since it already had a
>     huge user base. While much of
>     >> the
>     >>>> domain is hosted on ASF infrastructure including PMC
>     maintained VMs
>     >> hosted
>     >>>> on ASF Infra, a few subdomains like templates.openoffice.org
>     <http://templates.openoffice.org> is
>     >> actually
>     >>>> hosted via CNAME on sourceforge.net <http://sourceforge.net>.
>     >>>>
>     >>>> What Infra and Greg would like to see is the PPMC members
>     discussing
>     >>>> whether they have trouble with Baidu hosting a resource a
>     particular
>     >>>> subdomain.
>     >>>>
>     >>>> Regards,
>     >>>> Dave
>     >>>>
>     >>>>> On Sep 7, 2020, at 8:27 PM, Ovilia <oviliazhang@gmail.com
>     <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> Do our mentors and Justin have anything to comment on this plan?
>     >>>>> Would it be all right if Baidu owns the user data and server
>     while
>     >> using
>     >>>>> Apache domain name?
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> Thanks
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> Ovilia
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 11:20 AM Yi Shen
>     <shenyi.914@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>
>     >> <mailto:
>     >>>> shenyi.914@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>     >>>>> Hi Greg,
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> Thanks for the very detailed explanation.
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> What we concerned about is that we need to donate the server
>     as we
>     >> did on
>     >>>>> the website CDN in China.
>     >>>>> It will be good if we only need to create a CNAME for
>     >>>>> gallery.echarts.apache.org
>     <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org>
>     <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/>.
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> Regards.
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 5:57 AM Greg Stein <gstein@gmail.com
>     <ma...@gmail.com> <mailto:
>     >>>> gstein@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>     >>>>>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 4:16 AM Ovilia
>     <oviliazhang@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>
>     >> <mailto:
>     >>>> oviliazhang@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>     >>>>>>> ...
>     >>>>>>> I don't think we could use the domain name
>     >>>> gallery.echarts.apache.org
>     <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org>
>     <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/>
>     >>>>>> but
>     >>>>>>> keep
>     >>>>>>> the server in Baidu company inside (correct me if I'm wrong),
>     >>>>>>>
>     >>>>>> That should not be a problem! ... let's say the server is
>     located
>     >> at "
>     >>>>>> something-a38cf9.baidu.com
>     <http://something-a38cf9.baidu.com>
>     <http://something-a38cf9.baidu.com/>"
>     >> ...
>     >>>> we can simply create a CNAME DNS record
>     >>>>>> for
>     >>>>>> gallery.echarts.apache.org
>     <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org>
>     <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/> to
>     >>>> point to that server. This is actually quite
>     >>>>>> normal for various apache.org <http://apache.org>
>     <http://apache.org/> hostnames. We
>     >>>> point to servers located "off
>     >>>>>> premises" all the time. Then, echarts can create links to
>     direct
>     >>>> people to
>     >>>>>> gallery.echarts.apache.org
>     <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org>
>     <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/>.
>     >>>> Solved!
>     >>>>>> Setting up such a CNAME is very simple for INFRA, so don't
>     worry
>     >> about
>     >>>> the
>     >>>>>> work. We can have it set up as soon as the community reaches
>     >> consensus
>     >>>> on
>     >>>>>> that approach (eg. discussion/vote where Infra can see the
>     >> community
>     >>>>>> agrees). Discuss, the file an INFRA Jira ticket.
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>> Cheers,
>     >>>>>> -g
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> --
>     >>>>> Yi Shen
>     >>>>> Apache ECharts(incubating) PPMC
>     >>>>
>     >>
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>     <ma...@echarts.apache.org>
>     >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@echarts.apache.org
>     <ma...@echarts.apache.org>
>     >>
>     >>
>     -- 
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>     KMcGrail@Apache.org
>
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Re: Permission to use domain name

Posted by "Kevin A. McGrail" <km...@apache.org>.
To be clear the domain shouldn't use Apache or echarts or anything
confusing.  Branding can help.more.on that.

On Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 22:33 Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think once you are not using apache.org, it works.
> I seconded KAM's idea about using powered by logo on that website. And
> anyplace on that website mentioning ECharts, please use Apache ECharts, and
> add page footer about the IP.
>
> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
> Ovilia <ov...@gmail.com> 于2020年9月18日周五 上午11:09写道：
>
>> Yes, I agree with that it doesn't seem proper to let a company owned
>> product
>> use an Apache domain.
>>
>> As I said, we have technical difficulty donating the server. How can we
>> make
>> PPMC owns it if the server cannot be accessed outside of Baidu?
>>
>> I really don't wish to make things complicated here. The gallery is a
>> platform
>> hosting user uploaded works of ECharts and it's not part of the ECharts
>> software
>> but a third-party tool.
>>
>> So how about Baidu picking another domain name
>> (and ask IPMC for suggestion before purchasing) for the product and make
>> a clear notification that the gallery is not an official product of ASF?
>> ECharts official Website will not link to it if IPMC think it's not
>> proper.
>>
>> IMO it shouldn't have any problem if it doesn't claim to be an official
>> ECharts
>> product (correct me if I'm wrong) but just powered by ECharts.
>> By using a domain name that does not contain ECharts in it, we hope not
>> to be
>> taken by mistake as an official product.
>>
>> Hope this proposal could work with you.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> *Ovilia*
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 10:49 AM Kevin A. McGrail <km...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 9/14/2020 2:08 AM, Ovilia wrote:
>>> > Another thing I'd like to confirm here is that, would it be OK for the
>>> ASF
>>> > that we use
>>> > the domain name gallery.echarts.apache.org for the gallery while
>>> keeping
>>> > the code
>>> > license and the ownership of the user data to be of Baidu?
>>>
>>> Ovilia, yes, I see that as a problem to use an apache.org sub-domain for
>>> any third party.
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Thanks
>>> >
>>> > *Ovilia*
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 12:13 AM Zhongxiang Wang <wa...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I appreciate using a subdomain of echarts.apache.org.
>>> >>
>>> >> It's simple enough to create a CNAME DNS record `
>>> >> gallery.echarts.apache.org` pointing to the current server of the
>>> domain `
>>> >> gallery.echartsjs.com` and we have no need to do something extra.
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks,
>>> >> Zhongxiang.
>>> >>
>>> >> On 2020/09/11 08:06:38, Ovilia <ov...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>> Thanks Dave!
>>> >>>
>>> >>> In this case, I would personally prefer using
>>> gallery.echarts.apache.org
>>> >>> instead of
>>> >>> gallery.echartsjs.com.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Hope to hear from other PPMC members' opinions.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Thanks
>>> >>>
>>> >>> *Ovilia*
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 2:56 AM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Hi -
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> (With my mentor hat.)
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Apologies for the late reply. I am fine for this to happen. It is
>>> not
>>> >>>> unprecedented.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> For example, the Apache OpenOffice PMC was able to continue using
>>> >>>> openoffice.org since it already had a huge user base. While much of
>>> >> the
>>> >>>> domain is hosted on ASF infrastructure including PMC maintained VMs
>>> >> hosted
>>> >>>> on ASF Infra, a few subdomains like templates.openoffice.org is
>>> >> actually
>>> >>>> hosted via CNAME on sourceforge.net.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> What Infra and Greg would like to see is the PPMC members discussing
>>> >>>> whether they have trouble with Baidu hosting a resource a particular
>>> >>>> subdomain.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Regards,
>>> >>>> Dave
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> On Sep 7, 2020, at 8:27 PM, Ovilia <ov...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Do our mentors and Justin have anything to comment on this plan?
>>> >>>>> Would it be all right if Baidu owns the user data and server while
>>> >> using
>>> >>>>> Apache domain name?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Thanks
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Ovilia
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 11:20 AM Yi Shen <shenyi.914@gmail.com
>>> >> <mailto:
>>> >>>> shenyi.914@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> >>>>> Hi Greg,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Thanks for the very detailed explanation.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> What we concerned about is that we need to donate the server as we
>>> >> did on
>>> >>>>> the website CDN in China.
>>> >>>>> It will be good if we only need to create a CNAME for
>>> >>>>> gallery.echarts.apache.org <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/>.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Regards.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 5:57 AM Greg Stein <gstein@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:
>>> >>>> gstein@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 4:16 AM Ovilia <oviliazhang@gmail.com
>>> >> <mailto:
>>> >>>> oviliazhang@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>> ...
>>> >>>>>>> I don't think we could use the domain name
>>> >>>> gallery.echarts.apache.org <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/>
>>> >>>>>> but
>>> >>>>>>> keep
>>> >>>>>>> the server in Baidu company inside (correct me if I'm wrong),
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> That should not be a problem! ... let's say the server is located
>>> >> at "
>>> >>>>>> something-a38cf9.baidu.com <http://something-a38cf9.baidu.com/>"
>>> >> ...
>>> >>>> we can simply create a CNAME DNS record
>>> >>>>>> for
>>> >>>>>> gallery.echarts.apache.org <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/>
>>> to
>>> >>>> point to that server. This is actually quite
>>> >>>>>> normal for various apache.org <http://apache.org/> hostnames. We
>>> >>>> point to servers located "off
>>> >>>>>> premises" all the time. Then, echarts can create links to direct
>>> >>>> people to
>>> >>>>>> gallery.echarts.apache.org <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/>.
>>> >>>> Solved!
>>> >>>>>> Setting up such a CNAME is very simple for INFRA, so don't worry
>>> >> about
>>> >>>> the
>>> >>>>>> work. We can have it set up as soon as the community reaches
>>> >> consensus
>>> >>>> on
>>> >>>>>> that approach (eg. discussion/vote where Infra can see the
>>> >> community
>>> >>>>>> agrees). Discuss, the file an INFRA Jira ticket.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Cheers,
>>> >>>>>> -g
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> --
>>> >>>>> Yi Shen
>>> >>>>> Apache ECharts(incubating) PPMC
>>> >>>>
>>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@echarts.apache.org
>>> >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@echarts.apache.org
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> --
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>>> KMcGrail@Apache.org
>>>
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Re: Permission to use domain name

Posted by Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com>.
I think once you are not using apache.org, it works.
I seconded KAM's idea about using powered by logo on that website. And
anyplace on that website mentioning ECharts, please use Apache ECharts, and
add page footer about the IP.

Sheng Wu 吴晟
Twitter, wusheng1108


Ovilia <ov...@gmail.com> 于2020年9月18日周五 上午11:09写道：

> Yes, I agree with that it doesn't seem proper to let a company owned
> product
> use an Apache domain.
>
> As I said, we have technical difficulty donating the server. How can we
> make
> PPMC owns it if the server cannot be accessed outside of Baidu?
>
> I really don't wish to make things complicated here. The gallery is a
> platform
> hosting user uploaded works of ECharts and it's not part of the ECharts
> software
> but a third-party tool.
>
> So how about Baidu picking another domain name
> (and ask IPMC for suggestion before purchasing) for the product and make
> a clear notification that the gallery is not an official product of ASF?
> ECharts official Website will not link to it if IPMC think it's not proper.
>
> IMO it shouldn't have any problem if it doesn't claim to be an official
> ECharts
> product (correct me if I'm wrong) but just powered by ECharts.
> By using a domain name that does not contain ECharts in it, we hope not to
> be
> taken by mistake as an official product.
>
> Hope this proposal could work with you.
>
> Thanks
>
> *Ovilia*
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 10:49 AM Kevin A. McGrail <km...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 9/14/2020 2:08 AM, Ovilia wrote:
>> > Another thing I'd like to confirm here is that, would it be OK for the
>> ASF
>> > that we use
>> > the domain name gallery.echarts.apache.org for the gallery while
>> keeping
>> > the code
>> > license and the ownership of the user data to be of Baidu?
>>
>> Ovilia, yes, I see that as a problem to use an apache.org sub-domain for
>> any third party.
>>
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > *Ovilia*
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 12:13 AM Zhongxiang Wang <wa...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I appreciate using a subdomain of echarts.apache.org.
>> >>
>> >> It's simple enough to create a CNAME DNS record `
>> >> gallery.echarts.apache.org` pointing to the current server of the
>> domain `
>> >> gallery.echartsjs.com` and we have no need to do something extra.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> Zhongxiang.
>> >>
>> >> On 2020/09/11 08:06:38, Ovilia <ov...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> Thanks Dave!
>> >>>
>> >>> In this case, I would personally prefer using
>> gallery.echarts.apache.org
>> >>> instead of
>> >>> gallery.echartsjs.com.
>> >>>
>> >>> Hope to hear from other PPMC members' opinions.
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks
>> >>>
>> >>> *Ovilia*
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 2:56 AM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Hi -
>> >>>>
>> >>>> (With my mentor hat.)
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Apologies for the late reply. I am fine for this to happen. It is not
>> >>>> unprecedented.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> For example, the Apache OpenOffice PMC was able to continue using
>> >>>> openoffice.org since it already had a huge user base. While much of
>> >> the
>> >>>> domain is hosted on ASF infrastructure including PMC maintained VMs
>> >> hosted
>> >>>> on ASF Infra, a few subdomains like templates.openoffice.org is
>> >> actually
>> >>>> hosted via CNAME on sourceforge.net.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> What Infra and Greg would like to see is the PPMC members discussing
>> >>>> whether they have trouble with Baidu hosting a resource a particular
>> >>>> subdomain.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Regards,
>> >>>> Dave
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On Sep 7, 2020, at 8:27 PM, Ovilia <ov...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Do our mentors and Justin have anything to comment on this plan?
>> >>>>> Would it be all right if Baidu owns the user data and server while
>> >> using
>> >>>>> Apache domain name?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Thanks
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Ovilia
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 11:20 AM Yi Shen <shenyi.914@gmail.com
>> >> <mailto:
>> >>>> shenyi.914@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >>>>> Hi Greg,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Thanks for the very detailed explanation.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> What we concerned about is that we need to donate the server as we
>> >> did on
>> >>>>> the website CDN in China.
>> >>>>> It will be good if we only need to create a CNAME for
>> >>>>> gallery.echarts.apache.org <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/>.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Regards.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 5:57 AM Greg Stein <gstein@gmail.com
>> <mailto:
>> >>>> gstein@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >>>>>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 4:16 AM Ovilia <oviliazhang@gmail.com
>> >> <mailto:
>> >>>> oviliazhang@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>> ...
>> >>>>>>> I don't think we could use the domain name
>> >>>> gallery.echarts.apache.org <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/>
>> >>>>>> but
>> >>>>>>> keep
>> >>>>>>> the server in Baidu company inside (correct me if I'm wrong),
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>> That should not be a problem! ... let's say the server is located
>> >> at "
>> >>>>>> something-a38cf9.baidu.com <http://something-a38cf9.baidu.com/>"
>> >> ...
>> >>>> we can simply create a CNAME DNS record
>> >>>>>> for
>> >>>>>> gallery.echarts.apache.org <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/> to
>> >>>> point to that server. This is actually quite
>> >>>>>> normal for various apache.org <http://apache.org/> hostnames. We
>> >>>> point to servers located "off
>> >>>>>> premises" all the time. Then, echarts can create links to direct
>> >>>> people to
>> >>>>>> gallery.echarts.apache.org <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/>.
>> >>>> Solved!
>> >>>>>> Setting up such a CNAME is very simple for INFRA, so don't worry
>> >> about
>> >>>> the
>> >>>>>> work. We can have it set up as soon as the community reaches
>> >> consensus
>> >>>> on
>> >>>>>> that approach (eg. discussion/vote where Infra can see the
>> >> community
>> >>>>>> agrees). Discuss, the file an INFRA Jira ticket.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Cheers,
>> >>>>>> -g
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> --
>> >>>>> Yi Shen
>> >>>>> Apache ECharts(incubating) PPMC
>> >>>>
>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@echarts.apache.org
>> >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@echarts.apache.org
>> >>
>> >>
>> --
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>> KMcGrail@Apache.org
>>
>> Member, Apache Software Foundation
>> Chair Emeritus Apache SpamAssassin Project
>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmcgrail - 703.798.0171
>>
>>
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>>
>>

Re: Permission to use domain name

Posted by Ovilia <ov...@gmail.com>.
Yes, I agree with that it doesn't seem proper to let a company owned product
use an Apache domain.

As I said, we have technical difficulty donating the server. How can we make
PPMC owns it if the server cannot be accessed outside of Baidu?

I really don't wish to make things complicated here. The gallery is a
platform
hosting user uploaded works of ECharts and it's not part of the ECharts
software
but a third-party tool.

So how about Baidu picking another domain name
(and ask IPMC for suggestion before purchasing) for the product and make
a clear notification that the gallery is not an official product of ASF?
ECharts official Website will not link to it if IPMC think it's not proper.

IMO it shouldn't have any problem if it doesn't claim to be an official
ECharts
product (correct me if I'm wrong) but just powered by ECharts.
By using a domain name that does not contain ECharts in it, we hope not to
be
taken by mistake as an official product.

Hope this proposal could work with you.

Thanks

*Ovilia*


On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 10:49 AM Kevin A. McGrail <km...@apache.org>
wrote:

>
> On 9/14/2020 2:08 AM, Ovilia wrote:
> > Another thing I'd like to confirm here is that, would it be OK for the
> ASF
> > that we use
> > the domain name gallery.echarts.apache.org for the gallery while keeping
> > the code
> > license and the ownership of the user data to be of Baidu?
>
> Ovilia, yes, I see that as a problem to use an apache.org sub-domain for
> any third party.
>
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > *Ovilia*
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 12:13 AM Zhongxiang Wang <wa...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I appreciate using a subdomain of echarts.apache.org.
> >>
> >> It's simple enough to create a CNAME DNS record `
> >> gallery.echarts.apache.org` pointing to the current server of the
> domain `
> >> gallery.echartsjs.com` and we have no need to do something extra.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Zhongxiang.
> >>
> >> On 2020/09/11 08:06:38, Ovilia <ov...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Thanks Dave!
> >>>
> >>> In this case, I would personally prefer using
> gallery.echarts.apache.org
> >>> instead of
> >>> gallery.echartsjs.com.
> >>>
> >>> Hope to hear from other PPMC members' opinions.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>>
> >>> *Ovilia*
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 2:56 AM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi -
> >>>>
> >>>> (With my mentor hat.)
> >>>>
> >>>> Apologies for the late reply. I am fine for this to happen. It is not
> >>>> unprecedented.
> >>>>
> >>>> For example, the Apache OpenOffice PMC was able to continue using
> >>>> openoffice.org since it already had a huge user base. While much of
> >> the
> >>>> domain is hosted on ASF infrastructure including PMC maintained VMs
> >> hosted
> >>>> on ASF Infra, a few subdomains like templates.openoffice.org is
> >> actually
> >>>> hosted via CNAME on sourceforge.net.
> >>>>
> >>>> What Infra and Greg would like to see is the PPMC members discussing
> >>>> whether they have trouble with Baidu hosting a resource a particular
> >>>> subdomain.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> Dave
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Sep 7, 2020, at 8:27 PM, Ovilia <ov...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Do our mentors and Justin have anything to comment on this plan?
> >>>>> Would it be all right if Baidu owns the user data and server while
> >> using
> >>>>> Apache domain name?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ovilia
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 11:20 AM Yi Shen <shenyi.914@gmail.com
> >> <mailto:
> >>>> shenyi.914@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>> Hi Greg,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks for the very detailed explanation.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What we concerned about is that we need to donate the server as we
> >> did on
> >>>>> the website CDN in China.
> >>>>> It will be good if we only need to create a CNAME for
> >>>>> gallery.echarts.apache.org <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/>.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 5:57 AM Greg Stein <gstein@gmail.com <mailto:
> >>>> gstein@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 4:16 AM Ovilia <oviliazhang@gmail.com
> >> <mailto:
> >>>> oviliazhang@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>> I don't think we could use the domain name
> >>>> gallery.echarts.apache.org <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/>
> >>>>>> but
> >>>>>>> keep
> >>>>>>> the server in Baidu company inside (correct me if I'm wrong),
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> That should not be a problem! ... let's say the server is located
> >> at "
> >>>>>> something-a38cf9.baidu.com <http://something-a38cf9.baidu.com/>"
> >> ...
> >>>> we can simply create a CNAME DNS record
> >>>>>> for
> >>>>>> gallery.echarts.apache.org <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/> to
> >>>> point to that server. This is actually quite
> >>>>>> normal for various apache.org <http://apache.org/> hostnames. We
> >>>> point to servers located "off
> >>>>>> premises" all the time. Then, echarts can create links to direct
> >>>> people to
> >>>>>> gallery.echarts.apache.org <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/>.
> >>>> Solved!
> >>>>>> Setting up such a CNAME is very simple for INFRA, so don't worry
> >> about
> >>>> the
> >>>>>> work. We can have it set up as soon as the community reaches
> >> consensus
> >>>> on
> >>>>>> that approach (eg. discussion/vote where Infra can see the
> >> community
> >>>>>> agrees). Discuss, the file an INFRA Jira ticket.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>> -g
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Yi Shen
> >>>>> Apache ECharts(incubating) PPMC
> >>>>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@echarts.apache.org
> >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@echarts.apache.org
> >>
> >>
> --
> Kevin A. McGrail
> KMcGrail@Apache.org
>
> Member, Apache Software Foundation
> Chair Emeritus Apache SpamAssassin Project
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmcgrail - 703.798.0171
>
>
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>
>

Re: Permission to use domain name

Posted by "Kevin A. McGrail" <km...@apache.org>.
On 9/14/2020 2:08 AM, Ovilia wrote:
> Another thing I'd like to confirm here is that, would it be OK for the ASF
> that we use
> the domain name gallery.echarts.apache.org for the gallery while keeping
> the code
> license and the ownership of the user data to be of Baidu?

Ovilia, yes, I see that as a problem to use an apache.org sub-domain for
any third party.

>
> Thanks
>
> *Ovilia*
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 12:13 AM Zhongxiang Wang <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> I appreciate using a subdomain of echarts.apache.org.
>>
>> It's simple enough to create a CNAME DNS record `
>> gallery.echarts.apache.org` pointing to the current server of the domain `
>> gallery.echartsjs.com` and we have no need to do something extra.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Zhongxiang.
>>
>> On 2020/09/11 08:06:38, Ovilia <ov...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Thanks Dave!
>>>
>>> In this case, I would personally prefer using gallery.echarts.apache.org
>>> instead of
>>> gallery.echartsjs.com.
>>>
>>> Hope to hear from other PPMC members' opinions.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> *Ovilia*
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 2:56 AM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi -
>>>>
>>>> (With my mentor hat.)
>>>>
>>>> Apologies for the late reply. I am fine for this to happen. It is not
>>>> unprecedented.
>>>>
>>>> For example, the Apache OpenOffice PMC was able to continue using
>>>> openoffice.org since it already had a huge user base. While much of
>> the
>>>> domain is hosted on ASF infrastructure including PMC maintained VMs
>> hosted
>>>> on ASF Infra, a few subdomains like templates.openoffice.org is
>> actually
>>>> hosted via CNAME on sourceforge.net.
>>>>
>>>> What Infra and Greg would like to see is the PPMC members discussing
>>>> whether they have trouble with Baidu hosting a resource a particular
>>>> subdomain.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 7, 2020, at 8:27 PM, Ovilia <ov...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Do our mentors and Justin have anything to comment on this plan?
>>>>> Would it be all right if Baidu owns the user data and server while
>> using
>>>>> Apache domain name?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Ovilia
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 11:20 AM Yi Shen <shenyi.914@gmail.com
>> <mailto:
>>>> shenyi.914@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Greg,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the very detailed explanation.
>>>>>
>>>>> What we concerned about is that we need to donate the server as we
>> did on
>>>>> the website CDN in China.
>>>>> It will be good if we only need to create a CNAME for
>>>>> gallery.echarts.apache.org <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/>.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 5:57 AM Greg Stein <gstein@gmail.com <mailto:
>>>> gstein@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 4:16 AM Ovilia <oviliazhang@gmail.com
>> <mailto:
>>>> oviliazhang@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> I don't think we could use the domain name
>>>> gallery.echarts.apache.org <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/>
>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> keep
>>>>>>> the server in Baidu company inside (correct me if I'm wrong),
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> That should not be a problem! ... let's say the server is located
>> at "
>>>>>> something-a38cf9.baidu.com <http://something-a38cf9.baidu.com/>"
>> ...
>>>> we can simply create a CNAME DNS record
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> gallery.echarts.apache.org <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/> to
>>>> point to that server. This is actually quite
>>>>>> normal for various apache.org <http://apache.org/> hostnames. We
>>>> point to servers located "off
>>>>>> premises" all the time. Then, echarts can create links to direct
>>>> people to
>>>>>> gallery.echarts.apache.org <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/>.
>>>> Solved!
>>>>>> Setting up such a CNAME is very simple for INFRA, so don't worry
>> about
>>>> the
>>>>>> work. We can have it set up as soon as the community reaches
>> consensus
>>>> on
>>>>>> that approach (eg. discussion/vote where Infra can see the
>> community
>>>>>> agrees). Discuss, the file an INFRA Jira ticket.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> -g
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Yi Shen
>>>>> Apache ECharts(incubating) PPMC
>>>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@echarts.apache.org
>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@echarts.apache.org
>>
>>
-- 
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Re: Permission to use domain name

Posted by Ovilia <ov...@gmail.com>.
Another thing I'd like to confirm here is that, would it be OK for the ASF
that we use
the domain name gallery.echarts.apache.org for the gallery while keeping
the code
license and the ownership of the user data to be of Baidu?

Thanks

*Ovilia*


On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 12:13 AM Zhongxiang Wang <wa...@apache.org> wrote:

> I appreciate using a subdomain of echarts.apache.org.
>
> It's simple enough to create a CNAME DNS record `
> gallery.echarts.apache.org` pointing to the current server of the domain `
> gallery.echartsjs.com` and we have no need to do something extra.
>
> Thanks,
> Zhongxiang.
>
> On 2020/09/11 08:06:38, Ovilia <ov...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Thanks Dave!
> >
> > In this case, I would personally prefer using gallery.echarts.apache.org
> > instead of
> > gallery.echartsjs.com.
> >
> > Hope to hear from other PPMC members' opinions.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > *Ovilia*
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 2:56 AM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi -
> > >
> > > (With my mentor hat.)
> > >
> > > Apologies for the late reply. I am fine for this to happen. It is not
> > > unprecedented.
> > >
> > > For example, the Apache OpenOffice PMC was able to continue using
> > > openoffice.org since it already had a huge user base. While much of
> the
> > > domain is hosted on ASF infrastructure including PMC maintained VMs
> hosted
> > > on ASF Infra, a few subdomains like templates.openoffice.org is
> actually
> > > hosted via CNAME on sourceforge.net.
> > >
> > > What Infra and Greg would like to see is the PPMC members discussing
> > > whether they have trouble with Baidu hosting a resource a particular
> > > subdomain.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > > On Sep 7, 2020, at 8:27 PM, Ovilia <ov...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Do our mentors and Justin have anything to comment on this plan?
> > > > Would it be all right if Baidu owns the user data and server while
> using
> > > > Apache domain name?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > Ovilia
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 11:20 AM Yi Shen <shenyi.914@gmail.com
> <mailto:
> > > shenyi.914@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > > Hi Greg,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the very detailed explanation.
> > > >
> > > > What we concerned about is that we need to donate the server as we
> did on
> > > > the website CDN in China.
> > > > It will be good if we only need to create a CNAME for
> > > > gallery.echarts.apache.org <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/>.
> > > >
> > > > Regards.
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 5:57 AM Greg Stein <gstein@gmail.com <mailto:
> > > gstein@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 4:16 AM Ovilia <oviliazhang@gmail.com
> <mailto:
> > > oviliazhang@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > > > >...
> > > > >
> > > > > > I don't think we could use the domain name
> > > gallery.echarts.apache.org <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/>
> > > > > but
> > > > > > keep
> > > > > > the server in Baidu company inside (correct me if I'm wrong),
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > That should not be a problem! ... let's say the server is located
> at "
> > > > > something-a38cf9.baidu.com <http://something-a38cf9.baidu.com/>"
> ...
> > > we can simply create a CNAME DNS record
> > > > > for
> > > > > gallery.echarts.apache.org <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/> to
> > > point to that server. This is actually quite
> > > > > normal for various apache.org <http://apache.org/> hostnames. We
> > > point to servers located "off
> > > > > premises" all the time. Then, echarts can create links to direct
> > > people to
> > > > > gallery.echarts.apache.org <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/>.
> > > Solved!
> > > > >
> > > > > Setting up such a CNAME is very simple for INFRA, so don't worry
> about
> > > the
> > > > > work. We can have it set up as soon as the community reaches
> consensus
> > > on
> > > > > that approach (eg. discussion/vote where Infra can see the
> community
> > > > > agrees). Discuss, the file an INFRA Jira ticket.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > -g
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Yi Shen
> > > > Apache ECharts(incubating) PPMC
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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Re: Permission to use domain name

Posted by Zhongxiang Wang <wa...@apache.org>.
I appreciate using a subdomain of echarts.apache.org.

It's simple enough to create a CNAME DNS record `gallery.echarts.apache.org` pointing to the current server of the domain `gallery.echartsjs.com` and we have no need to do something extra.

Thanks,
Zhongxiang.

On 2020/09/11 08:06:38, Ovilia <ov...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> Thanks Dave!
> 
> In this case, I would personally prefer using gallery.echarts.apache.org
> instead of
> gallery.echartsjs.com.
> 
> Hope to hear from other PPMC members' opinions.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> *Ovilia*
> 
> 
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 2:56 AM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
> 
> > Hi -
> >
> > (With my mentor hat.)
> >
> > Apologies for the late reply. I am fine for this to happen. It is not
> > unprecedented.
> >
> > For example, the Apache OpenOffice PMC was able to continue using
> > openoffice.org since it already had a huge user base. While much of the
> > domain is hosted on ASF infrastructure including PMC maintained VMs hosted
> > on ASF Infra, a few subdomains like templates.openoffice.org is actually
> > hosted via CNAME on sourceforge.net.
> >
> > What Infra and Greg would like to see is the PPMC members discussing
> > whether they have trouble with Baidu hosting a resource a particular
> > subdomain.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Dave
> >
> > > On Sep 7, 2020, at 8:27 PM, Ovilia <ov...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Do our mentors and Justin have anything to comment on this plan?
> > > Would it be all right if Baidu owns the user data and server while using
> > > Apache domain name?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Ovilia
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 11:20 AM Yi Shen <shenyi.914@gmail.com <mailto:
> > shenyi.914@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > Hi Greg,
> > >
> > > Thanks for the very detailed explanation.
> > >
> > > What we concerned about is that we need to donate the server as we did on
> > > the website CDN in China.
> > > It will be good if we only need to create a CNAME for
> > > gallery.echarts.apache.org <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/>.
> > >
> > > Regards.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 5:57 AM Greg Stein <gstein@gmail.com <mailto:
> > gstein@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 4:16 AM Ovilia <oviliazhang@gmail.com <mailto:
> > oviliazhang@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > > >...
> > > >
> > > > > I don't think we could use the domain name
> > gallery.echarts.apache.org <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/>
> > > > but
> > > > > keep
> > > > > the server in Baidu company inside (correct me if I'm wrong),
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > That should not be a problem! ... let's say the server is located at "
> > > > something-a38cf9.baidu.com <http://something-a38cf9.baidu.com/>" ...
> > we can simply create a CNAME DNS record
> > > > for
> > > > gallery.echarts.apache.org <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/> to
> > point to that server. This is actually quite
> > > > normal for various apache.org <http://apache.org/> hostnames. We
> > point to servers located "off
> > > > premises" all the time. Then, echarts can create links to direct
> > people to
> > > > gallery.echarts.apache.org <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/>.
> > Solved!
> > > >
> > > > Setting up such a CNAME is very simple for INFRA, so don't worry about
> > the
> > > > work. We can have it set up as soon as the community reaches consensus
> > on
> > > > that approach (eg. discussion/vote where Infra can see the community
> > > > agrees). Discuss, the file an INFRA Jira ticket.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > -g
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Yi Shen
> > > Apache ECharts(incubating) PPMC
> >
> >
> 

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Re: Permission to use domain name

Posted by Ovilia <ov...@gmail.com>.
Thanks Dave!

In this case, I would personally prefer using gallery.echarts.apache.org
instead of
gallery.echartsjs.com.

Hope to hear from other PPMC members' opinions.

Thanks

*Ovilia*


On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 2:56 AM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:

> Hi -
>
> (With my mentor hat.)
>
> Apologies for the late reply. I am fine for this to happen. It is not
> unprecedented.
>
> For example, the Apache OpenOffice PMC was able to continue using
> openoffice.org since it already had a huge user base. While much of the
> domain is hosted on ASF infrastructure including PMC maintained VMs hosted
> on ASF Infra, a few subdomains like templates.openoffice.org is actually
> hosted via CNAME on sourceforge.net.
>
> What Infra and Greg would like to see is the PPMC members discussing
> whether they have trouble with Baidu hosting a resource a particular
> subdomain.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> > On Sep 7, 2020, at 8:27 PM, Ovilia <ov...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Do our mentors and Justin have anything to comment on this plan?
> > Would it be all right if Baidu owns the user data and server while using
> > Apache domain name?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Ovilia
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 11:20 AM Yi Shen <shenyi.914@gmail.com <mailto:
> shenyi.914@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > Hi Greg,
> >
> > Thanks for the very detailed explanation.
> >
> > What we concerned about is that we need to donate the server as we did on
> > the website CDN in China.
> > It will be good if we only need to create a CNAME for
> > gallery.echarts.apache.org <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/>.
> >
> > Regards.
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 5:57 AM Greg Stein <gstein@gmail.com <mailto:
> gstein@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 4:16 AM Ovilia <oviliazhang@gmail.com <mailto:
> oviliazhang@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > >...
> > >
> > > > I don't think we could use the domain name
> gallery.echarts.apache.org <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/>
> > > but
> > > > keep
> > > > the server in Baidu company inside (correct me if I'm wrong),
> > > >
> > >
> > > That should not be a problem! ... let's say the server is located at "
> > > something-a38cf9.baidu.com <http://something-a38cf9.baidu.com/>" ...
> we can simply create a CNAME DNS record
> > > for
> > > gallery.echarts.apache.org <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/> to
> point to that server. This is actually quite
> > > normal for various apache.org <http://apache.org/> hostnames. We
> point to servers located "off
> > > premises" all the time. Then, echarts can create links to direct
> people to
> > > gallery.echarts.apache.org <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/>.
> Solved!
> > >
> > > Setting up such a CNAME is very simple for INFRA, so don't worry about
> the
> > > work. We can have it set up as soon as the community reaches consensus
> on
> > > that approach (eg. discussion/vote where Infra can see the community
> > > agrees). Discuss, the file an INFRA Jira ticket.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > -g
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Yi Shen
> > Apache ECharts(incubating) PPMC
>
>

Re: Permission to use domain name

Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>.
Hi -

(With my mentor hat.)

Apologies for the late reply. I am fine for this to happen. It is not unprecedented.

For example, the Apache OpenOffice PMC was able to continue using openoffice.org since it already had a huge user base. While much of the domain is hosted on ASF infrastructure including PMC maintained VMs hosted on ASF Infra, a few subdomains like templates.openoffice.org is actually hosted via CNAME on sourceforge.net.

What Infra and Greg would like to see is the PPMC members discussing whether they have trouble with Baidu hosting a resource a particular subdomain.

Regards,
Dave

> On Sep 7, 2020, at 8:27 PM, Ovilia <ov...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Do our mentors and Justin have anything to comment on this plan?
> Would it be all right if Baidu owns the user data and server while using
> Apache domain name?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Ovilia
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 11:20 AM Yi Shen <shenyi.914@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hi Greg,
> 
> Thanks for the very detailed explanation.
> 
> What we concerned about is that we need to donate the server as we did on
> the website CDN in China.
> It will be good if we only need to create a CNAME for
> gallery.echarts.apache.org <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/>.
> 
> Regards.
> 
> On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 5:57 AM Greg Stein <gstein@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 4:16 AM Ovilia <oviliazhang@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >...
> >
> > > I don't think we could use the domain name gallery.echarts.apache.org <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/>
> > but
> > > keep
> > > the server in Baidu company inside (correct me if I'm wrong),
> > >
> >
> > That should not be a problem! ... let's say the server is located at "
> > something-a38cf9.baidu.com <http://something-a38cf9.baidu.com/>" ... we can simply create a CNAME DNS record
> > for
> > gallery.echarts.apache.org <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/> to point to that server. This is actually quite
> > normal for various apache.org <http://apache.org/> hostnames. We point to servers located "off
> > premises" all the time. Then, echarts can create links to direct people to
> > gallery.echarts.apache.org <http://gallery.echarts.apache.org/>. Solved!
> >
> > Setting up such a CNAME is very simple for INFRA, so don't worry about the
> > work. We can have it set up as soon as the community reaches consensus on
> > that approach (eg. discussion/vote where Infra can see the community
> > agrees). Discuss, the file an INFRA Jira ticket.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > -g
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
> Yi Shen
> Apache ECharts(incubating) PPMC

Re: Permission to use domain name

Posted by Ovilia <ov...@gmail.com>.
Do our mentors and Justin have anything to comment on this plan?
Would it be all right if Baidu owns the user data and server while using
Apache domain name?

Thanks

*Ovilia*


On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 11:20 AM Yi Shen <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Greg,
>
> Thanks for the very detailed explanation.
>
> What we concerned about is that we need to donate the server as we did on
> the website CDN in China.
> It will be good if we only need to create a CNAME for
> gallery.echarts.apache.org.
>
> Regards.
>
> On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 5:57 AM Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 4:16 AM Ovilia <ov...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >...
> >
> > > I don't think we could use the domain name gallery.echarts.apache.org
> > but
> > > keep
> > > the server in Baidu company inside (correct me if I'm wrong),
> > >
> >
> > That should not be a problem! ... let's say the server is located at "
> > something-a38cf9.baidu.com" ... we can simply create a CNAME DNS record
> > for
> > gallery.echarts.apache.org to point to that server. This is actually
> quite
> > normal for various apache.org hostnames. We point to servers located
> "off
> > premises" all the time. Then, echarts can create links to direct people
> to
> > gallery.echarts.apache.org. Solved!
> >
> > Setting up such a CNAME is very simple for INFRA, so don't worry about
> the
> > work. We can have it set up as soon as the community reaches consensus on
> > that approach (eg. discussion/vote where Infra can see the community
> > agrees). Discuss, the file an INFRA Jira ticket.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > -g
> >
>
>
> --
> Yi Shen
> Apache ECharts(incubating) PPMC
>

Re: Permission to use domain name

Posted by Yi Shen <sh...@gmail.com>.
Hi Greg,

Thanks for the very detailed explanation.

What we concerned about is that we need to donate the server as we did on
the website CDN in China.
It will be good if we only need to create a CNAME for
gallery.echarts.apache.org.

Regards.

On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 5:57 AM Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 4:16 AM Ovilia <ov...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >...
>
> > I don't think we could use the domain name gallery.echarts.apache.org
> but
> > keep
> > the server in Baidu company inside (correct me if I'm wrong),
> >
>
> That should not be a problem! ... let's say the server is located at "
> something-a38cf9.baidu.com" ... we can simply create a CNAME DNS record
> for
> gallery.echarts.apache.org to point to that server. This is actually quite
> normal for various apache.org hostnames. We point to servers located "off
> premises" all the time. Then, echarts can create links to direct people to
> gallery.echarts.apache.org. Solved!
>
> Setting up such a CNAME is very simple for INFRA, so don't worry about the
> work. We can have it set up as soon as the community reaches consensus on
> that approach (eg. discussion/vote where Infra can see the community
> agrees). Discuss, the file an INFRA Jira ticket.
>
> Cheers,
> -g
>


-- 
Yi Shen
Apache ECharts(incubating) PPMC

Re: Permission to use domain name

Posted by Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 4:16 AM Ovilia <ov...@gmail.com> wrote:
>...

> I don't think we could use the domain name gallery.echarts.apache.org but
> keep
> the server in Baidu company inside (correct me if I'm wrong),
>

That should not be a problem! ... let's say the server is located at "
something-a38cf9.baidu.com" ... we can simply create a CNAME DNS record for
gallery.echarts.apache.org to point to that server. This is actually quite
normal for various apache.org hostnames. We point to servers located "off
premises" all the time. Then, echarts can create links to direct people to
gallery.echarts.apache.org. Solved!

Setting up such a CNAME is very simple for INFRA, so don't worry about the
work. We can have it set up as soon as the community reaches consensus on
that approach (eg. discussion/vote where Infra can see the community
agrees). Discuss, the file an INFRA Jira ticket.

Cheers,
-g

Re: Permission to use domain name

Posted by Ovilia <ov...@gmail.com>.
Hi Benson,

We do have static official examples:
https://echarts.apache.org/examples/en/index.html

The source code is available at https://github.com/ecomfe/echarts-examples

This project is being under migration to the Apache organization on GitHub.
See JIRA here: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-20745


Thanks

*Ovilia*


On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 5:39 PM Benson Muite <be...@emailplus.org>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Galleries are very helpful. Any possibilities of using a static website
> to host the examples? If so, one can then use a git repository for the
> content - Gitee, GitLab and GitHub can host static pages. Some also
> support a number of authentication methods or can be modified to do so.
>
> Benson
> On 9/3/20 12:16 PM, Ovilia wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I would like to share some considerations about why we prefer not to
> donate
> > the gallery product.
> >
> > The gallery has a NodeJS server which is running on an internal Baidu
> > server and so
> > as the user data.
> > The server can only be accessed using internal methods so I'm afraid it
> can
> > hardly be
> > donated. And only Baidu OAuth is supported for account login and only
> > Chinese is
> > supported which may look weird if it's an official Apache product. (We do
> > wish to
> > support English or other login methods in the future but it seems we have
> > little time
> > to do this in the near future. )
> >
> > I don't think we could use the domain name gallery.echarts.apache.org
> but
> > keep
> > the server in Baidu company inside (correct me if I'm wrong), so I think
> > the donation
> > may technically be hard.
> >
> > The gallery is not a part of ECharts project and it's only a place people
> > put their works
> > using ECharts. But we do think the domain name gallery.echartsjs.com may
> > mislead
> > the users to believe this is an official product, so it's reasonable to
> use
> > a new domain
> > name.
> >
> > So my proposal on this would be:
> > 1. Choose a few candidate new domain names for the gallery product
> > 2. Ask the Apache trademark for permission before purchasing
> > 3. Use the new domain name for the gallery
> >
> > Would this plan have any branding issues?
> >
> > And I would like to confirm if the current statement [1] on the gallery
> > Website is no
> > longer necessary to cut off the trademark relationship. Would a "powered
> > by" statement
> > in the about page be more proper?
> >
> > We would make sure the gallery Website would not misuse any of the Apache
> > logo,
> > trademarks and so on.
> >
> >
> > [1] "This Website is a community contributed work of Apache ECharts
> > (incubating) and it
> > is not an official Apache ECharts (incubating) product."
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > *Ovilia*
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 3:52 PM Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 2:17 AM Kevin A. McGrail <km...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I can help transfer your domain and donate it to Apache.  Dropped a
> word
> >>> there.
> >>>
> >>
> >> That is not a "donation" but an imposition of a liability for ongoing
> >> domain fees.
> >>
> >> As MarkT notes, the Foundation would not accept a domain that has seen
> zero
> >> historical usage. Projects should stick to apache.org rather than
> create
> >> new domains. Domains other than apache.org are acceptable for
> transfer, on
> >> a case-by-case basis, where that decision focuses on
> historical/community
> >> usage (of many years, and millions of users). Creating one "today" means
> >> zero history.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Greg
> >> InfraAdmin, ASF
> >>
> >
>
>

Re: Permission to use domain name

Posted by Benson Muite <be...@emailplus.org>.
Hi,

Galleries are very helpful. Any possibilities of using a static website 
to host the examples? If so, one can then use a git repository for the 
content - Gitee, GitLab and GitHub can host static pages. Some also 
support a number of authentication methods or can be modified to do so.

Benson
On 9/3/20 12:16 PM, Ovilia wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I would like to share some considerations about why we prefer not to donate
> the gallery product.
> 
> The gallery has a NodeJS server which is running on an internal Baidu
> server and so
> as the user data.
> The server can only be accessed using internal methods so I'm afraid it can
> hardly be
> donated. And only Baidu OAuth is supported for account login and only
> Chinese is
> supported which may look weird if it's an official Apache product. (We do
> wish to
> support English or other login methods in the future but it seems we have
> little time
> to do this in the near future. )
> 
> I don't think we could use the domain name gallery.echarts.apache.org but
> keep
> the server in Baidu company inside (correct me if I'm wrong), so I think
> the donation
> may technically be hard.
> 
> The gallery is not a part of ECharts project and it's only a place people
> put their works
> using ECharts. But we do think the domain name gallery.echartsjs.com may
> mislead
> the users to believe this is an official product, so it's reasonable to use
> a new domain
> name.
> 
> So my proposal on this would be:
> 1. Choose a few candidate new domain names for the gallery product
> 2. Ask the Apache trademark for permission before purchasing
> 3. Use the new domain name for the gallery
> 
> Would this plan have any branding issues?
> 
> And I would like to confirm if the current statement [1] on the gallery
> Website is no
> longer necessary to cut off the trademark relationship. Would a "powered
> by" statement
> in the about page be more proper?
> 
> We would make sure the gallery Website would not misuse any of the Apache
> logo,
> trademarks and so on.
> 
> 
> [1] "This Website is a community contributed work of Apache ECharts
> (incubating) and it
> is not an official Apache ECharts (incubating) product."
> 
> Thanks
> 
> *Ovilia*
> 
> 
> On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 3:52 PM Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 2:17 AM Kevin A. McGrail <km...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I can help transfer your domain and donate it to Apache.  Dropped a word
>>> there.
>>>
>>
>> That is not a "donation" but an imposition of a liability for ongoing
>> domain fees.
>>
>> As MarkT notes, the Foundation would not accept a domain that has seen zero
>> historical usage. Projects should stick to apache.org rather than create
>> new domains. Domains other than apache.org are acceptable for transfer, on
>> a case-by-case basis, where that decision focuses on historical/community
>> usage (of many years, and millions of users). Creating one "today" means
>> zero history.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Greg
>> InfraAdmin, ASF
>>
> 


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Re: Permission to use domain name

Posted by Ovilia <ov...@gmail.com>.
Hi all,

I would like to share some considerations about why we prefer not to donate
the gallery product.

The gallery has a NodeJS server which is running on an internal Baidu
server and so
as the user data.
The server can only be accessed using internal methods so I'm afraid it can
hardly be
donated. And only Baidu OAuth is supported for account login and only
Chinese is
supported which may look weird if it's an official Apache product. (We do
wish to
support English or other login methods in the future but it seems we have
little time
to do this in the near future. )

I don't think we could use the domain name gallery.echarts.apache.org but
keep
the server in Baidu company inside (correct me if I'm wrong), so I think
the donation
may technically be hard.

The gallery is not a part of ECharts project and it's only a place people
put their works
using ECharts. But we do think the domain name gallery.echartsjs.com may
mislead
the users to believe this is an official product, so it's reasonable to use
a new domain
name.

So my proposal on this would be:
1. Choose a few candidate new domain names for the gallery product
2. Ask the Apache trademark for permission before purchasing
3. Use the new domain name for the gallery

Would this plan have any branding issues?

And I would like to confirm if the current statement [1] on the gallery
Website is no
longer necessary to cut off the trademark relationship. Would a "powered
by" statement
in the about page be more proper?

We would make sure the gallery Website would not misuse any of the Apache
logo,
trademarks and so on.


[1] "This Website is a community contributed work of Apache ECharts
(incubating) and it
is not an official Apache ECharts (incubating) product."

Thanks

*Ovilia*


On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 3:52 PM Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 2:17 AM Kevin A. McGrail <km...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > I can help transfer your domain and donate it to Apache.  Dropped a word
> > there.
> >
>
> That is not a "donation" but an imposition of a liability for ongoing
> domain fees.
>
> As MarkT notes, the Foundation would not accept a domain that has seen zero
> historical usage. Projects should stick to apache.org rather than create
> new domains. Domains other than apache.org are acceptable for transfer, on
> a case-by-case basis, where that decision focuses on historical/community
> usage (of many years, and millions of users). Creating one "today" means
> zero history.
>
> Cheers,
> Greg
> InfraAdmin, ASF
>

Re: Permission to use domain name

Posted by Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 2:17 AM Kevin A. McGrail <km...@apache.org> wrote:

> I can help transfer your domain and donate it to Apache.  Dropped a word
> there.
>

That is not a "donation" but an imposition of a liability for ongoing
domain fees.

As MarkT notes, the Foundation would not accept a domain that has seen zero
historical usage. Projects should stick to apache.org rather than create
new domains. Domains other than apache.org are acceptable for transfer, on
a case-by-case basis, where that decision focuses on historical/community
usage (of many years, and millions of users). Creating one "today" means
zero history.

Cheers,
Greg
InfraAdmin, ASF

Re: Permission to use domain name

Posted by Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>.
Hi ECharts community,

Responses in-line.

On 03/09/2020 08:17, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
> I can help transfer your domain and donate it to Apache.  Dropped a word
> there.

Please do not do this. The ASF is likely to decline such a donation.

> On Thu, Sep 3, 2020, 03:16 Kevin A. McGrail <kmcgrail@apache.org
> <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
> 
>     I would defer to trademarks.  I can help the domain and then donate
>     it to Apache.
> 
>     On Thu, Sep 3, 2020, 03:10 Ovilia <oviliazhang@gmail.com
>     <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>         Thanks Mark!
> 
>         We plan to buy a new domain name for it and not use
>         gallery.echartsjs.com <http://gallery.echartsjs.com>
>         any more.
>         But the process may take a few more weeks/months for domain name
>         registration
>         and migrating.

Again, I'd STRONGLY recommend that you move to an apache.org domain.

If the community is prepared to change the domain name then I don't see
any reason not to move to, for example, gallery.echarts.apache.org.

>         Can we not take this as a blocker for Apache ECharts (incubating)'s
>         graduation?

Whether ECharts graduates is a decision for the board.

>         What do Mark, Justin, and our mentors think about this?

If the podling is not prepared to move this site to the apache.org
domain then that is something that needs to be highlighted to the board.

Mark

>         Thanks
> 
>         *Ovilia*
> 
> 
>         On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 7:08 AM Mark Thomas <markt@apache.org
>         <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
> 
>         > Hi,
>         >
>         > First of all, I don't see any issues with the current content of
>         > echartsjs.com <http://echartsjs.com>
>         >
>         > gallery.echartsjs.com <http://gallery.echartsjs.com> is more
>         problematic.
>         >
>         > PMCs are very strongly discouraged from creating focal points
>         for the
>         > project outside of the apache.org <http://apache.org> domain.
>         >
>         > Has the podling considered requesting INFRA create an
>         > gallery.charts.apache.org <http://gallery.charts.apache.org>
>         domain name and point it to the existing server?
>         >
>         > Has the podling considered moving that service to an ASF provided
>         > project VM?
>         >
>         > To be clear, this isn't an issue that needs to be deal with as
>         a matter
>         > of urgency but it is something that ideally needs to be
>         resolved before
>         > graduation.
>         >
>         > Mark
>         >
>         > Mark Thomas
>         > VP, Brand Management
>         >
>         > On 31/08/2020 05:15, Ovilia wrote:
>         > > Hi,
>         > >
>         > > I'm a member of Apache ECharts (incubating) PPMC and I'm
>         sending this
>         > email
>         > > to ask the permission of the domain name echartsjs.com
>         <http://echartsjs.com>
>         > > <http://echartsjs.com> .
>         > >
>         > > This domain name is currently owned by one of our PPMC
>         members Yi Shen
>         > and
>         > > was used as EChart's official Website before ECharts joined ASF.
>         > >
>         > > Now, the Website has a link to our official
>         > > Website http://echarts.apache.org/
>         > > and a clear statement that
>         > > "ECharts is now under incubation at the Apache Software
>         Foundation. So
>         > > this domain
>         > > name is no longer in use. Visit echarts.apache.org
>         <http://echarts.apache.org>
>         > > <http://echarts.apache.org> please"
>         > >
>         > > (The reason why we use links instead of redirecting is that
>         the local
>         > > Web policy of
>         > > the echartsjs.com <http://echartsjs.com>
>         <http://echartsjs.com> has certain restrictions on the
>         > > content if it's redirecting but not
>         > > if it's a link.)
>         > >
>         > > And there is a Website https://gallery.echartsjs.com/ that
>         enables users
>         > > to upload their work
>         > > of ECharts, which also have a clear statement as:
>         > > "This Website is a community contributed work of Apache ECharts
>         > > (incubating) and it is not
>         > > an official Apache ECharts (incubating) product."
>         > >
>         > > We'd like to know if there are any branding issues with how
>         we use the
>         > > domain names
>         > > echartsjs.com <http://echartsjs.com> <http://echartsjs.com>
>         and gallery.echartsjs.com <http://gallery.echartsjs.com>
>         > > <http://gallery.echartsjs.com> here?
>         > >
>         > > [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/domains.html
>         > >
>         > > Thanks
>         > > *
>         > > *
>         > > *Ovilia*
>         >
>         >
>         >
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Re: Permission to use domain name

Posted by "Kevin A. McGrail" <km...@apache.org>.
I can help transfer your domain and donate it to Apache.  Dropped a word
there.

On Thu, Sep 3, 2020, 03:16 Kevin A. McGrail <km...@apache.org> wrote:

> I would defer to trademarks.  I can help the domain and then donate it to
> Apache.
>
> On Thu, Sep 3, 2020, 03:10 Ovilia <ov...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Mark!
>>
>> We plan to buy a new domain name for it and not use gallery.echartsjs.com
>> any more.
>> But the process may take a few more weeks/months for domain name
>> registration
>> and migrating.
>>
>> Can we not take this as a blocker for Apache ECharts (incubating)'s
>> graduation?
>>
>> What do Mark, Justin, and our mentors think about this?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> *Ovilia*
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 7:08 AM Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > First of all, I don't see any issues with the current content of
>> > echartsjs.com
>> >
>> > gallery.echartsjs.com is more problematic.
>> >
>> > PMCs are very strongly discouraged from creating focal points for the
>> > project outside of the apache.org domain.
>> >
>> > Has the podling considered requesting INFRA create an
>> > gallery.charts.apache.org domain name and point it to the existing
>> server?
>> >
>> > Has the podling considered moving that service to an ASF provided
>> > project VM?
>> >
>> > To be clear, this isn't an issue that needs to be deal with as a matter
>> > of urgency but it is something that ideally needs to be resolved before
>> > graduation.
>> >
>> > Mark
>> >
>> > Mark Thomas
>> > VP, Brand Management
>> >
>> > On 31/08/2020 05:15, Ovilia wrote:
>> > > Hi,
>> > >
>> > > I'm a member of Apache ECharts (incubating) PPMC and I'm sending this
>> > email
>> > > to ask the permission of the domain name echartsjs.com
>> > > <http://echartsjs.com> .
>> > >
>> > > This domain name is currently owned by one of our PPMC members Yi Shen
>> > and
>> > > was used as EChart's official Website before ECharts joined ASF.
>> > >
>> > > Now, the Website has a link to our official
>> > > Website http://echarts.apache.org/
>> > > and a clear statement that
>> > > "ECharts is now under incubation at the Apache Software Foundation. So
>> > > this domain
>> > > name is no longer in use. Visit echarts.apache.org
>> > > <http://echarts.apache.org> please"
>> > >
>> > > (The reason why we use links instead of redirecting is that the local
>> > > Web policy of
>> > > the echartsjs.com <http://echartsjs.com> has certain restrictions on
>> the
>> > > content if it's redirecting but not
>> > > if it's a link.)
>> > >
>> > > And there is a Website https://gallery.echartsjs.com/ that enables
>> users
>> > > to upload their work
>> > > of ECharts, which also have a clear statement as:
>> > > "This Website is a community contributed work of Apache ECharts
>> > > (incubating) and it is not
>> > > an official Apache ECharts (incubating) product."
>> > >
>> > > We'd like to know if there are any branding issues with how we use the
>> > > domain names
>> > > echartsjs.com <http://echartsjs.com> and gallery.echartsjs.com
>> > > <http://gallery.echartsjs.com> here?
>> > >
>> > > [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/domains.html
>> > >
>> > > Thanks
>> > > *
>> > > *
>> > > *Ovilia*
>> >
>> >
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>> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@echarts.apache.org
>> >
>> >
>>
>

Re: Permission to use domain name

Posted by "Kevin A. McGrail" <km...@apache.org>.
I would defer to trademarks.  I can help the domain and then donate it to
Apache.

On Thu, Sep 3, 2020, 03:10 Ovilia <ov...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Mark!
>
> We plan to buy a new domain name for it and not use gallery.echartsjs.com
> any more.
> But the process may take a few more weeks/months for domain name
> registration
> and migrating.
>
> Can we not take this as a blocker for Apache ECharts (incubating)'s
> graduation?
>
> What do Mark, Justin, and our mentors think about this?
>
> Thanks
>
> *Ovilia*
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 7:08 AM Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > First of all, I don't see any issues with the current content of
> > echartsjs.com
> >
> > gallery.echartsjs.com is more problematic.
> >
> > PMCs are very strongly discouraged from creating focal points for the
> > project outside of the apache.org domain.
> >
> > Has the podling considered requesting INFRA create an
> > gallery.charts.apache.org domain name and point it to the existing
> server?
> >
> > Has the podling considered moving that service to an ASF provided
> > project VM?
> >
> > To be clear, this isn't an issue that needs to be deal with as a matter
> > of urgency but it is something that ideally needs to be resolved before
> > graduation.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > Mark Thomas
> > VP, Brand Management
> >
> > On 31/08/2020 05:15, Ovilia wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I'm a member of Apache ECharts (incubating) PPMC and I'm sending this
> > email
> > > to ask the permission of the domain name echartsjs.com
> > > <http://echartsjs.com> .
> > >
> > > This domain name is currently owned by one of our PPMC members Yi Shen
> > and
> > > was used as EChart's official Website before ECharts joined ASF.
> > >
> > > Now, the Website has a link to our official
> > > Website http://echarts.apache.org/
> > > and a clear statement that
> > > "ECharts is now under incubation at the Apache Software Foundation. So
> > > this domain
> > > name is no longer in use. Visit echarts.apache.org
> > > <http://echarts.apache.org> please"
> > >
> > > (The reason why we use links instead of redirecting is that the local
> > > Web policy of
> > > the echartsjs.com <http://echartsjs.com> has certain restrictions on
> the
> > > content if it's redirecting but not
> > > if it's a link.)
> > >
> > > And there is a Website https://gallery.echartsjs.com/ that enables
> users
> > > to upload their work
> > > of ECharts, which also have a clear statement as:
> > > "This Website is a community contributed work of Apache ECharts
> > > (incubating) and it is not
> > > an official Apache ECharts (incubating) product."
> > >
> > > We'd like to know if there are any branding issues with how we use the
> > > domain names
> > > echartsjs.com <http://echartsjs.com> and gallery.echartsjs.com
> > > <http://gallery.echartsjs.com> here?
> > >
> > > [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/domains.html
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > *
> > > *
> > > *Ovilia*
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@echarts.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@echarts.apache.org
> >
> >
>

Re: Permission to use domain name

Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
Hi,

> We plan to buy a new domain name for it and not use gallery.echartsjs.com <http://gallery.echartsjs.com/> 
> any more.

Trademarks will probably need to know the new domain name, you might want to get permission to use that new domain  before buying it.

> PMCs are very strongly discouraged from creating focal points for the
> project outside of the apache.org <http://apache.org/> domain.

The new domain would still an an issue because of the above. Why not use gallery.echarts.apaxche.org as suggested?

Thanks,
Justin

Re: Permission to use domain name

Posted by Ovilia <ov...@gmail.com>.
Thanks Mark!

We plan to buy a new domain name for it and not use gallery.echartsjs.com
any more.
But the process may take a few more weeks/months for domain name
registration
and migrating.

Can we not take this as a blocker for Apache ECharts (incubating)'s
graduation?

What do Mark, Justin, and our mentors think about this?

Thanks

*Ovilia*


On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 7:08 AM Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> First of all, I don't see any issues with the current content of
> echartsjs.com
>
> gallery.echartsjs.com is more problematic.
>
> PMCs are very strongly discouraged from creating focal points for the
> project outside of the apache.org domain.
>
> Has the podling considered requesting INFRA create an
> gallery.charts.apache.org domain name and point it to the existing server?
>
> Has the podling considered moving that service to an ASF provided
> project VM?
>
> To be clear, this isn't an issue that needs to be deal with as a matter
> of urgency but it is something that ideally needs to be resolved before
> graduation.
>
> Mark
>
> Mark Thomas
> VP, Brand Management
>
> On 31/08/2020 05:15, Ovilia wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm a member of Apache ECharts (incubating) PPMC and I'm sending this
> email
> > to ask the permission of the domain name echartsjs.com
> > <http://echartsjs.com> .
> >
> > This domain name is currently owned by one of our PPMC members Yi Shen
> and
> > was used as EChart's official Website before ECharts joined ASF.
> >
> > Now, the Website has a link to our official
> > Website http://echarts.apache.org/
> > and a clear statement that
> > "ECharts is now under incubation at the Apache Software Foundation. So
> > this domain
> > name is no longer in use. Visit echarts.apache.org
> > <http://echarts.apache.org> please"
> >
> > (The reason why we use links instead of redirecting is that the local
> > Web policy of
> > the echartsjs.com <http://echartsjs.com> has certain restrictions on the
> > content if it's redirecting but not
> > if it's a link.)
> >
> > And there is a Website https://gallery.echartsjs.com/ that enables users
> > to upload their work
> > of ECharts, which also have a clear statement as:
> > "This Website is a community contributed work of Apache ECharts
> > (incubating) and it is not
> > an official Apache ECharts (incubating) product."
> >
> > We'd like to know if there are any branding issues with how we use the
> > domain names
> > echartsjs.com <http://echartsjs.com> and gallery.echartsjs.com
> > <http://gallery.echartsjs.com> here?
> >
> > [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/domains.html
> >
> > Thanks
> > *
> > *
> > *Ovilia*
>
>
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>

Re: Permission to use domain name

Posted by Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>.
Hi,

First of all, I don't see any issues with the current content of
echartsjs.com

gallery.echartsjs.com is more problematic.

PMCs are very strongly discouraged from creating focal points for the
project outside of the apache.org domain.

Has the podling considered requesting INFRA create an
gallery.charts.apache.org domain name and point it to the existing server?

Has the podling considered moving that service to an ASF provided
project VM?

To be clear, this isn't an issue that needs to be deal with as a matter
of urgency but it is something that ideally needs to be resolved before
graduation.

Mark

Mark Thomas
VP, Brand Management

On 31/08/2020 05:15, Ovilia wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm a member of Apache ECharts (incubating) PPMC and I'm sending this email
> to ask the permission of the domain name echartsjs.com
> <http://echartsjs.com> .
> 
> This domain name is currently owned by one of our PPMC members Yi Shen and
> was used as EChart's official Website before ECharts joined ASF.
> 
> Now, the Website has a link to our official
> Website http://echarts.apache.org/
> and a clear statement that
> "ECharts is now under incubation at the Apache Software Foundation. So
> this domain 
> name is no longer in use. Visit echarts.apache.org
> <http://echarts.apache.org> please"
> 
> (The reason why we use links instead of redirecting is that the local
> Web policy of
> the echartsjs.com <http://echartsjs.com> has certain restrictions on the
> content if it's redirecting but not
> if it's a link.)
> 
> And there is a Website https://gallery.echartsjs.com/ that enables users
> to upload their work
> of ECharts, which also have a clear statement as:
> "This Website is a community contributed work of Apache ECharts
> (incubating) and it is not
> an official Apache ECharts (incubating) product."
> 
> We'd like to know if there are any branding issues with how we use the
> domain names 
> echartsjs.com <http://echartsjs.com> and gallery.echartsjs.com
> <http://gallery.echartsjs.com> here?
> 
> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/domains.html
> 
> Thanks
> *
> *
> *Ovilia*


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