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Maven shell
Hello to all,
I wonder if there exists or if someone is working on a Maven shell: an
application that would load a pom (or poms) once, do all the
initialization work then wourd accept maven commands or some kind of
language allowing for modification of the pom.
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Re: Maven shell
Posted by franz see <fr...@gmail.com>.
Good day,
What would happen during the initialization, and what kind of modifications
are you referring to? :)
Thanks,
Franz
Arnaud Bailly-3 wrote:
>
> Hello,
> Sure, I would be interested in working on such a tool. My particular
> need is that I want to make a continuous testing tool indenpendent of
> any IDE and based on informations in the POM.
>
> As for the virtual ant system, that could be thought of as a kind of
> GUI over a maven shell. One could think adding web-based GUI,
> something like a finer grained continuum.
>
> I have a bit of time, so maybe I could start something. Ideas, code,
> specs are welcomed...
>
> regards,
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Re: Maven shell
Posted by Nigel Magnay <ni...@gmail.com>.
>
> > I did something simple in .net (mostly because when I go near the
> > maven codebase, the vast array of poorly documented dependences like
> > plexus scares me and I don't have the time to figure it all out),
> > but
>
> That's also what is refraining me ! I love using maven, I think the
> people behind it did a great job, but contributing on your spare time
> is somewhat challenging as coding information is lacking, particularly
> as you noted it on related projects.
>
I think the documentation is getting better - it's a shame that maven
has a whiff of wheel-reinventing going on which is disappointing
(plexus not spring, wagon not vfs) - which means these technologies
have to be grasped that are *only* useful to maven. I gave up trying
to fix bugs because the barrier to entry is just too great for the
time I have :-(
> > I think a decent editor that didn't force people to hack XML would be
> > nice, as well as the ability to do things like
> > - detect possibly unneded dependencies
>
> Could you please elaborate on this ? Do you think about something like
> extracting dependencies from compiled classes and inferring unused
> deps ?
That kind of thing would be good, but also something simple like A and
B are both modules of C, and all have dependency X, so you couild
remove it.
>
> > - "promote" common dependencies to a parent pom
>
> Something like easy <dependencyManagement> ?
>
Yes - exactly that.
> > - UI for setting up common plugins (compile, report, assembly)
> >
>
> Could you please elaborate on this one too ?
>
What I've got is :
Tree View on left hand side, with hierarchy of POM projects (modules
shown as children).
Click on a POM item, right-hand-side is tabbed dialog, with various
sections (build, dependencies, plugins, etc).
For plugins, it'd be nice to have a GUI for setting up, say, reports,
with textboxes to fill in rather than having to remember the right XML
values.
> BTW, did you try the pomtools plugin ?
>
Yep - the tree looks rather like what I did for the dependencies view.
I'm after more of a GUI thing - I find some stuff like the archetype
generator is useful, but I use it so rarely that in the interval
between uses I've forgotten all the required parameters, and it ends
up taking me longer tracking them down than crafting a new POM from
adjusting a similar existing one...
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Re: Maven shell
Posted by Arnaud Bailly <ab...@oqube.com>.
"Nigel Magnay" <ni...@gmail.com> writes:
> I actually had a related issue - our project is comprised of many jar
> and war fragments and, good though the jetty plugin is, it's helpful
> when debugging webapps in eclipse when hotswap fails (which is
> always), to be able to have it automatically copy changed class files
> into the running application. The existing eclipse integrations (last
> time I looked) seemed to concentrate on replacing the IDE compile
> function with maven which is a total non-starter, because it takes
> *forever*.
>
Never used.
> I did something simple in .net (mostly because when I go near the
> maven codebase, the vast array of poorly documented dependences like
> plexus scares me and I don't have the time to figure it all out),
> but
That's also what is refraining me ! I love using maven, I think the
people behind it did a great job, but contributing on your spare time
is somewhat challenging as coding information is lacking, particularly
as you noted it on related projects.
> I think a decent editor that didn't force people to hack XML would be
> nice, as well as the ability to do things like
> - detect possibly unneded dependencies
Could you please elaborate on this ? Do you think about something like
extracting dependencies from compiled classes and inferring unused
deps ?
> - "promote" common dependencies to a parent pom
Something like easy <dependencyManagement> ?
> - UI for setting up common plugins (compile, report, assembly)
>
Could you please elaborate on this one too ?
BTW, did you try the pomtools plugin ?
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Re: Maven shell
Posted by Nigel Magnay <ni...@gmail.com>.
I actually had a related issue - our project is comprised of many jar
and war fragments and, good though the jetty plugin is, it's helpful
when debugging webapps in eclipse when hotswap fails (which is
always), to be able to have it automatically copy changed class files
into the running application. The existing eclipse integrations (last
time I looked) seemed to concentrate on replacing the IDE compile
function with maven which is a total non-starter, because it takes
*forever*.
I did something simple in .net (mostly because when I go near the
maven codebase, the vast array of poorly documented dependences like
plexus scares me and I don't have the time to figure it all out), but
I think a decent editor that didn't force people to hack XML would be
nice, as well as the ability to do things like
- detect possibly unneded dependencies
- "promote" common dependencies to a parent pom
- UI for setting up common plugins (compile, report, assembly)
delivered as an eclipse plugin would be useful.
On 04/02/07, Arnaud Bailly <ab...@oqube.com> wrote:
> Hello,
> Sure, I would be interested in working on such a tool. My particular
> need is that I want to make a continuous testing tool indenpendent of
> any IDE and based on informations in the POM.
>
> As for the virtual ant system, that could be thought of as a kind of
> GUI over a maven shell. One could think adding web-based GUI,
> something like a finer grained continuum.
>
> I have a bit of time, so maybe I could start something. Ideas, code,
> specs are welcomed...
>
> regards,
> --
> OQube < software engineering \ génie logiciel >
> Arnaud Bailly, Dr.
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>
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Re: Maven shell
Posted by Arnaud Bailly <ab...@oqube.com>.
Hello,
Sure, I would be interested in working on such a tool. My particular
need is that I want to make a continuous testing tool indenpendent of
any IDE and based on informations in the POM.
As for the virtual ant system, that could be thought of as a kind of
GUI over a maven shell. One could think adding web-based GUI,
something like a finer grained continuum.
I have a bit of time, so maybe I could start something. Ideas, code,
specs are welcomed...
regards,
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Re: Maven shell
Posted by "Manuel J. Recena Soto" <re...@eii.us.es>.
Hi!
El 04/02/2007, a las 17:42, Eric Redmond escribió:
> I've not heard of anything... are you interested in creating one?
>
More than a shell-tool I believe that it would be interesting to
create something similar to VirtualAnt [1].
I would like to have time and collaborator to make something thus.
regards
[1] http://www.placidsystems.com/virtualant/
> On 2/4/07, Arnaud Bailly <ab...@oqube.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello to all,
>> I wonder if there exists or if someone is working on a Maven
>> shell: an
>> application that would load a pom (or poms) once, do all the
>> initialization work then wourd accept maven commands or some kind of
>> language allowing for modification of the pom.
>>
>> regards,
>> --
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>> Arnaud Bailly, Dr.
>> \web> http://www.oqube.com
>>
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Re: Maven shell
Posted by Eric Redmond <er...@gmail.com>.
I've not heard of anything... are you interested in creating one?
On 2/4/07, Arnaud Bailly <ab...@oqube.com> wrote:
>
> Hello to all,
> I wonder if there exists or if someone is working on a Maven shell: an
> application that would load a pom (or poms) once, do all the
> initialization work then wourd accept maven commands or some kind of
> language allowing for modification of the pom.
>
> regards,
> --
> OQube < software engineering \ génie logiciel >
> Arnaud Bailly, Dr.
> \web> http://www.oqube.com
>
>
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Re: Maven shell
Posted by Roland Klein <ro...@mtg-marinetechnik.de>.
Tim Kettler schrieb:
> Am Sonntag, den 04.02.2007, 10:48 +0100 schrieb Arnaud Bailly:
>> Hello to all,
>> I wonder if there exists or if someone is working on a Maven shell: an
>> application that would load a pom (or poms) once, do all the
>> initialization work then wourd accept maven commands or some kind of
>> language allowing for modification of the pom.
>>
>> regards,
>
> Hi,
>
> there is the pomtools-maven-plugin [1] in the mojo sandbox.
>
> -Tim
>
> [1] http://mojo.codehaus.org/pomtools-maven-plugin/overview.html
>
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Hi,
this seems to be a nice tool, but i didn't find it in ibiblio, repository.codehaus.org,
snapshots.codehaus.org.
could anybody point me to the correct repo?
Or do i have to compile it myself?
Roland
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Re: Maven shell
Posted by Arnaud Bailly <ab...@oqube.com>.
Thanks, that look really like what I am looking for ! I will
investigate a little bit more on it.
regeards
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Re: Maven shell
Posted by Martin Gilday <ma...@imap.cc>.
Thanks,
I checked out the source and installed it. Was all working until it
comes to saving the modified POM when a java.lang.NoSuchFieldException:
modelCache fatal error occurs. Looked useful until that point, so
should be very useful when their TODO list is finished.
I will have a look on the mojo list.
Thanks,
Martin.
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From: "Tim Kettler" <ti...@udo.edu>
To: "Maven Users List" <us...@maven.apache.org>
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 11:16:14 +0100
Subject: Re: Maven shell
Hi,
I never used the plugin myself, just remembered that it exists. If there
is no release or snapshot available you have to checkout the sources and
build it yourself. Or you can ask on the mojo list if they can make a
snapshot available.
-Tim
Am Dienstag, den 06.02.2007, 09:54 +0000 schrieb Martin Gilday:
> Is there a release of this plugin? I have searched the mojo and the
> sandbox repository and can not see it in there.
>
> Thanks,
> Martin.
>
>
> ----- Original message -----
> From: "Tim Kettler" <ti...@udo.edu>
> To: "Maven Users List" <us...@maven.apache.org>
> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 08:43:03 +0100
> Subject: Re: Maven shell
>
> Am Sonntag, den 04.02.2007, 10:48 +0100 schrieb Arnaud Bailly:
> > Hello to all,
> > I wonder if there exists or if someone is working on a Maven shell: an
> > application that would load a pom (or poms) once, do all the
> > initialization work then wourd accept maven commands or some kind of
> > language allowing for modification of the pom.
> >
> > regards,
>
> Hi,
>
> there is the pomtools-maven-plugin [1] in the mojo sandbox.
>
> -Tim
>
> [1] http://mojo.codehaus.org/pomtools-maven-plugin/overview.html
>
>
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Re: Maven shell
Posted by Tim Kettler <ti...@udo.edu>.
Hi,
I never used the plugin myself, just remembered that it exists. If there
is no release or snapshot available you have to checkout the sources and
build it yourself. Or you can ask on the mojo list if they can make a
snapshot available.
-Tim
Am Dienstag, den 06.02.2007, 09:54 +0000 schrieb Martin Gilday:
> Is there a release of this plugin? I have searched the mojo and the
> sandbox repository and can not see it in there.
>
> Thanks,
> Martin.
>
>
> ----- Original message -----
> From: "Tim Kettler" <ti...@udo.edu>
> To: "Maven Users List" <us...@maven.apache.org>
> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 08:43:03 +0100
> Subject: Re: Maven shell
>
> Am Sonntag, den 04.02.2007, 10:48 +0100 schrieb Arnaud Bailly:
> > Hello to all,
> > I wonder if there exists or if someone is working on a Maven shell: an
> > application that would load a pom (or poms) once, do all the
> > initialization work then wourd accept maven commands or some kind of
> > language allowing for modification of the pom.
> >
> > regards,
>
> Hi,
>
> there is the pomtools-maven-plugin [1] in the mojo sandbox.
>
> -Tim
>
> [1] http://mojo.codehaus.org/pomtools-maven-plugin/overview.html
>
>
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Re: Maven shell
Posted by Martin Gilday <ma...@imap.cc>.
Is there a release of this plugin? I have searched the mojo and the
sandbox repository and can not see it in there.
Thanks,
Martin.
----- Original message -----
From: "Tim Kettler" <ti...@udo.edu>
To: "Maven Users List" <us...@maven.apache.org>
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 08:43:03 +0100
Subject: Re: Maven shell
Am Sonntag, den 04.02.2007, 10:48 +0100 schrieb Arnaud Bailly:
> Hello to all,
> I wonder if there exists or if someone is working on a Maven shell: an
> application that would load a pom (or poms) once, do all the
> initialization work then wourd accept maven commands or some kind of
> language allowing for modification of the pom.
>
> regards,
Hi,
there is the pomtools-maven-plugin [1] in the mojo sandbox.
-Tim
[1] http://mojo.codehaus.org/pomtools-maven-plugin/overview.html
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Re: Maven shell
Posted by Tim Kettler <ti...@udo.edu>.
Am Sonntag, den 04.02.2007, 10:48 +0100 schrieb Arnaud Bailly:
> Hello to all,
> I wonder if there exists or if someone is working on a Maven shell: an
> application that would load a pom (or poms) once, do all the
> initialization work then wourd accept maven commands or some kind of
> language allowing for modification of the pom.
>
> regards,
Hi,
there is the pomtools-maven-plugin [1] in the mojo sandbox.
-Tim
[1] http://mojo.codehaus.org/pomtools-maven-plugin/overview.html
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