Moving forward

[Matt Sergeant <ma...@sergeant.org>]

My suggestion is that to move forwards with things we hold off on the TLP
thing for now - lets get the other parts of Kip's proposal working first.
Lets try and eat this sandwich a bite at a time.

Any objections/comments?

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Re: Moving forward

[Kip Hampton <kh...@totalcinema.com>]

Sorry for the lag... busy-busy...

Matt Sergeant wrote:

> OK, well Berin's asking about progress on the PMC list. Would you like 
> to respond or would you prefer I did?

Either way is fine with me. I don't mind doing it, but it'll have to 
wait till Mon. or Tues.

-kip

Re: Moving forward

[Matt Sergeant <ma...@sergeant.org>]

On 28 Apr 2004, at 17:00, Kip Hampton wrote:

> Matt Sergeant wrote:
>
>> I was just afraid that we could have problems eating the whole 
>> sandwich if it just looks like too much to take on.
>
> Sure, understood. I just truly believe that this is one of those cases
> where we'd do better to just dive in and take things as they come.

OK, well Berin's asking about progress on the PMC list. Would you like 
to respond or would you prefer I did?

Re: Moving forward

[Kip Hampton <kh...@totalcinema.com>]

Matt Sergeant wrote:

> 
> I was just afraid that we could have problems eating the whole sandwich 
> if it just looks like too much to take on. 

Sure, understood. I just truly believe that this is one of those cases
where we'd do better to just dive in and take things as they come.

-kip

Re: Moving forward

[Matt Sergeant <ma...@sergeant.org>]

On 27 Apr 2004, at 19:23, Kip Hampton wrote:

> Matt Sergeant wrote:
>
>> My suggestion is that to move forwards with things we hold off on the 
>> TLP
>> thing for now - lets get the other parts of Kip's proposal working 
>> first.
>> Lets try and eat this sandwich a bite at a time.
>> Any objections/comments?
>
> Part of the point of the TLP proposal was to snap people out of a 
> sense of inertia that has persisted for months-- to draw a clear line 
> in time that says "that was then, but this is now, and let's get on 
> with the new thing". Trying to pick-and-choose and pull things from 
> that proposal in piecemeal not only takes away that "fresh start", it 
> is, IMO, a recipe for more confusion. "New wine in old skins", as the 
> saying goes.
>
> If you have specific concerns anout the proposal, bring them up. If 
> not, I don't see any value whatsoever in waiting around and/or 
> settling for half-measures.

I was just afraid that we could have problems eating the whole sandwich 
if it just looks like too much to take on. If everyone else is 
comfortable with that then I'm happy to go with the flow.

I don't have any specific problems with the proposal - I already +1'd 
it.

Matt.

Re: Moving forward

[Kip Hampton <kh...@totalcinema.com>]

Matt Sergeant wrote:

> My suggestion is that to move forwards with things we hold off on the TLP
> thing for now - lets get the other parts of Kip's proposal working first.
> Lets try and eat this sandwich a bite at a time.
> 
> Any objections/comments?
> 

Part of the point of the TLP proposal was to snap people out of a sense 
of inertia that has persisted for months-- to draw a clear line in time 
that says "that was then, but this is now, and let's get on with the new 
thing". Trying to pick-and-choose and pull things from that proposal in 
piecemeal not only takes away that "fresh start", it is, IMO, a recipe 
for more confusion. "New wine in old skins", as the saying goes.

If you have specific concerns anout the proposal, bring them up. If not, 
I don't see any value whatsoever in waiting around and/or settling for 
half-measures.

-kip

Re: Moving forward

[Michael A Nachbaur <mi...@nachbaur.com>]

Matt Sergeant wrote:

>My suggestion is that to move forwards with things we hold off on the TLP
>thing for now - lets get the other parts of Kip's proposal working first.
>Lets try and eat this sandwich a bite at a time.
>
>Any objections/comments?
>  
>

-1 from me on this.  I don't think doing one precludes accomplishing the 
other.  In fact, moving toward the TLP seems like excellent motivation 
for sticking to the PMC proposal.  Besides, without a change in 
direction (like moving out from under the XML PMC umbrella) I feel it 
would be too easy to slide back into old habits.

Since the goals of the PMC proposal is to change the processes we use to 
manage the project, we should IMHO snap over to the new management style 
and help support each other as we stumble.

I think the breakup of the XML PMC is an excellent opportunity that we 
should take advantage of.

-- 
Michael A. Nachbaur <mi...@nachbaur.com>
http://nachbaur.com/pgpkey.asc