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Posted to dev@logging.apache.org by Kabilan VK <ka...@gmail.com> on 2019/06/28 14:46:51 UTC
Is Log4Net project abandoned?
Is it abandoned, why no one responds for any review or contribution
questions?
Regards,
Kabilan
Re: Is Log4Net project abandoned?
Posted by Kabilan VK <ka...@gmail.com>.
Hi Dominik,
I have setup a sample build for Log4Net.standard solution. Let me know if
its okay to proceed then we can migrate all builds to azure devops.
https://dev.azure.com/logging-log4net/Log4Net/_build/results?buildId=20&view=artifacts
Regards,
Kabilan
On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 3:14 PM Kabilan VK <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Dominik,
> I can allocate some time to help setting up the builds for Log4Net. Let me
> know what tasks I can start with.
> I would suggest https://dev.azure.com as a replacement for NAnt. The
> azure pipeline is free for GitHub projects and have support to the latest
> frameworks.
>
> Regards,
> Kabilan
>
> On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 7:54 AM Dominik Psenner <dp...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Streamlining the architectures across the different log4* implementations
>> has been discussed earlier. It would make sense to split log4net into
>> several libraries (api, configuration, several appender.xxx, etc). Further
>> make these assemblies all available over nuget. I could imagine this to
>> become part of a not yet existing 3.0 milestone if the community is
>> willing
>> to contribute. I see also more important things to flesh out (getting a
>> release out of the door, reimplement the rolling file appender, replace
>> nant to improve builds and their automation, automate deployments to
>> nuget,
>> ..).
>>
>> On Tue, 17 Sep 2019 at 17:31, Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > SLF4J is an earlier alternative to log4j-api, but it's not a
>> > replacement. If the other log4* projects adopt similar architectures
>> > to log4j2, they can all have API/implementation separation and
>> > potentially compatible config files, though that's not really planned
>> > by anyone that I know of.
>> >
>> > On Mon, 16 Sep 2019 at 23:15, Brown, Michael A <ma...@purdue.edu> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Any action on slf* as log4* replacement?
>> > >
>> > > I don’t have any issues with log4* or know a great deal about slf* but
>> > some of what I read indicates some developers moving in that direction.
>> > >
>> > > Any comments?
>> > >
>> > > Mike
>> > >
>> > > Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>> > > ________________________________
>> > > From: Dominik Psenner <dp...@gmail.com>
>> > > Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 5:10:50 PM
>> > > To: dev@logging.apache.org <de...@logging.apache.org>
>> > > Subject: Re: Is Log4Net project abandoned?
>> > >
>> > > I had this message in draft for quite some time now and just now I
>> > decided
>> > > to send it in a slightly modified version.
>> > >
>> > > While log4net has been around for a while it may have come the point
>> in
>> > > time when it has reached end of life. A good indicator to me is the
>> > number
>> > > of active contributors. This means that the decision is obviously
>> > community
>> > > driven. So long people step up and get involved the project is
>> healthy.
>> > Me
>> > > being the only one to do releases, review and apply PR, etc does not
>> > scale.
>> > > Any contribution is welcome!
>> > >
>> > > Best regards
>> > > --
>> > > Dominik Psenner
>> > >
>> > > On Sat, Jun 29, 2019, 20:00 Kabilan VK <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > The last commit was on 2017 so, its becoming a less favor to new
>> > startup
>> > > > projects. I tried to contribute by adding latest .net framework
>> > support so,
>> > > > at least need a PR review support to get this on track.
>> > > > Thanks for understanding.
>> > > >
>> > > > Regards,
>> > > > Kabilan
>> > > >
>> > > > On Sat, 29 Jun, 2019, 4:31 AM Jochen Wiedmann, <
>> > jochen.wiedmann@gmail.com>
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > On Sat, Jun 29, 2019 at 1:21 PM Dominik Psenner <
>> dpsenner@gmail.com>
>> > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > > We could also push log4net back to incubation. What do you
>> think?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > If availability of people is an issue, then this would be an
>> > excellent
>> > > > > way of exhausting those even more.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Jochen
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com>
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> Dominik Psenner
>>
>
>
> --
>
> =================
> Thanks and Regards
> Kabilan.vk
>
--
=================
Thanks and Regards
Kabilan.vk
Re: Is Log4Net project abandoned?
Posted by Kabilan VK <ka...@gmail.com>.
Hi Dominik,
I can allocate some time to help setting up the builds for Log4Net. Let me
know what tasks I can start with.
I would suggest https://dev.azure.com as a replacement for NAnt. The azure
pipeline is free for GitHub projects and have support to the latest
frameworks.
Regards,
Kabilan
On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 7:54 AM Dominik Psenner <dp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Streamlining the architectures across the different log4* implementations
> has been discussed earlier. It would make sense to split log4net into
> several libraries (api, configuration, several appender.xxx, etc). Further
> make these assemblies all available over nuget. I could imagine this to
> become part of a not yet existing 3.0 milestone if the community is willing
> to contribute. I see also more important things to flesh out (getting a
> release out of the door, reimplement the rolling file appender, replace
> nant to improve builds and their automation, automate deployments to nuget,
> ..).
>
> On Tue, 17 Sep 2019 at 17:31, Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > SLF4J is an earlier alternative to log4j-api, but it's not a
> > replacement. If the other log4* projects adopt similar architectures
> > to log4j2, they can all have API/implementation separation and
> > potentially compatible config files, though that's not really planned
> > by anyone that I know of.
> >
> > On Mon, 16 Sep 2019 at 23:15, Brown, Michael A <ma...@purdue.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > > Any action on slf* as log4* replacement?
> > >
> > > I don’t have any issues with log4* or know a great deal about slf* but
> > some of what I read indicates some developers moving in that direction.
> > >
> > > Any comments?
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Dominik Psenner <dp...@gmail.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 5:10:50 PM
> > > To: dev@logging.apache.org <de...@logging.apache.org>
> > > Subject: Re: Is Log4Net project abandoned?
> > >
> > > I had this message in draft for quite some time now and just now I
> > decided
> > > to send it in a slightly modified version.
> > >
> > > While log4net has been around for a while it may have come the point in
> > > time when it has reached end of life. A good indicator to me is the
> > number
> > > of active contributors. This means that the decision is obviously
> > community
> > > driven. So long people step up and get involved the project is healthy.
> > Me
> > > being the only one to do releases, review and apply PR, etc does not
> > scale.
> > > Any contribution is welcome!
> > >
> > > Best regards
> > > --
> > > Dominik Psenner
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jun 29, 2019, 20:00 Kabilan VK <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > The last commit was on 2017 so, its becoming a less favor to new
> > startup
> > > > projects. I tried to contribute by adding latest .net framework
> > support so,
> > > > at least need a PR review support to get this on track.
> > > > Thanks for understanding.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Kabilan
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, 29 Jun, 2019, 4:31 AM Jochen Wiedmann, <
> > jochen.wiedmann@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Sat, Jun 29, 2019 at 1:21 PM Dominik Psenner <
> dpsenner@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > We could also push log4net back to incubation. What do you think?
> > > > >
> > > > > If availability of people is an issue, then this would be an
> > excellent
> > > > > way of exhausting those even more.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jochen
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com>
> >
>
>
> --
> Dominik Psenner
>
--
=================
Thanks and Regards
Kabilan.vk
Re: Is Log4Net project abandoned?
Posted by RC <jo...@robajz.info>.
Hi Dominik,
I have in the past been much interested in log4net and, as you may
remember, I hoped to integrate log4net.ext.json. (Un)fortunately, life
goes on and I'm not in the .net realm anymore to be of any benefit
here. Like you, I struggle to maintain the extension I wrote. If
someone takes log4net, please take log4net.ext.json with it :D Thanks a
lot for all the work!
Best regards, Robert
On Sun, 22 Sep, 2019 at 4:54 PM, Dominik Psenner <dp...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Streamlining the architectures across the different log4*
> implementations
> has been discussed earlier. It would make sense to split log4net into
> several libraries (api, configuration, several appender.xxx, etc).
> Further
> make these assemblies all available over nuget. I could imagine this
> to
> become part of a not yet existing 3.0 milestone if the community is
> willing
> to contribute. I see also more important things to flesh out (getting
> a
> release out of the door, reimplement the rolling file appender,
> replace
> nant to improve builds and their automation, automate deployments to
> nuget,
> ..).
>
> On Tue, 17 Sep 2019 at 17:31, Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> SLF4J is an earlier alternative to log4j-api, but it's not a
>> replacement. If the other log4* projects adopt similar architectures
>> to log4j2, they can all have API/implementation separation and
>> potentially compatible config files, though that's not really
>> planned
>> by anyone that I know of.
>>
>> On Mon, 16 Sep 2019 at 23:15, Brown, Michael A <ma...@purdue.edu>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Any action on slf* as log4* replacement?
>> >
>> > I don’t have any issues with log4* or know a great deal about
>> slf* but
>> some of what I read indicates some developers moving in that
>> direction.
>> >
>> > Any comments?
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: Dominik Psenner <dp...@gmail.com>
>> > Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 5:10:50 PM
>> > To: dev@logging.apache.org <de...@logging.apache.org>
>> > Subject: Re: Is Log4Net project abandoned?
>> >
>> > I had this message in draft for quite some time now and just now I
>> decided
>> > to send it in a slightly modified version.
>> >
>> > While log4net has been around for a while it may have come the
>> point in
>> > time when it has reached end of life. A good indicator to me is
>> the
>> number
>> > of active contributors. This means that the decision is obviously
>> community
>> > driven. So long people step up and get involved the project is
>> healthy.
>> Me
>> > being the only one to do releases, review and apply PR, etc does
>> not
>> scale.
>> > Any contribution is welcome!
>> >
>> > Best regards
>> > --
>> > Dominik Psenner
>> >
>> > On Sat, Jun 29, 2019, 20:00 Kabilan VK <ka...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > The last commit was on 2017 so, its becoming a less favor to new
>> startup
>> > > projects. I tried to contribute by adding latest .net framework
>> support so,
>> > > at least need a PR review support to get this on track.
>> > > Thanks for understanding.
>> > >
>> > > Regards,
>> > > Kabilan
>> > >
>> > > On Sat, 29 Jun, 2019, 4:31 AM Jochen Wiedmann, <
>> jochen.wiedmann@gmail.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > On Sat, Jun 29, 2019 at 1:21 PM Dominik Psenner
>> <dp...@gmail.com>
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > > > We could also push log4net back to incubation. What do you
>> think?
>> > > >
>> > > > If availability of people is an issue, then this would be an
>> excellent
>> > > > way of exhausting those even more.
>> > > >
>> > > > Jochen
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com>
>>
>
>
> --
> Dominik Psenner
Re: Is Log4Net project abandoned?
Posted by Dominik Psenner <dp...@gmail.com>.
Streamlining the architectures across the different log4* implementations
has been discussed earlier. It would make sense to split log4net into
several libraries (api, configuration, several appender.xxx, etc). Further
make these assemblies all available over nuget. I could imagine this to
become part of a not yet existing 3.0 milestone if the community is willing
to contribute. I see also more important things to flesh out (getting a
release out of the door, reimplement the rolling file appender, replace
nant to improve builds and their automation, automate deployments to nuget,
..).
On Tue, 17 Sep 2019 at 17:31, Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> SLF4J is an earlier alternative to log4j-api, but it's not a
> replacement. If the other log4* projects adopt similar architectures
> to log4j2, they can all have API/implementation separation and
> potentially compatible config files, though that's not really planned
> by anyone that I know of.
>
> On Mon, 16 Sep 2019 at 23:15, Brown, Michael A <ma...@purdue.edu> wrote:
> >
> > Any action on slf* as log4* replacement?
> >
> > I don’t have any issues with log4* or know a great deal about slf* but
> some of what I read indicates some developers moving in that direction.
> >
> > Any comments?
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> > ________________________________
> > From: Dominik Psenner <dp...@gmail.com>
> > Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 5:10:50 PM
> > To: dev@logging.apache.org <de...@logging.apache.org>
> > Subject: Re: Is Log4Net project abandoned?
> >
> > I had this message in draft for quite some time now and just now I
> decided
> > to send it in a slightly modified version.
> >
> > While log4net has been around for a while it may have come the point in
> > time when it has reached end of life. A good indicator to me is the
> number
> > of active contributors. This means that the decision is obviously
> community
> > driven. So long people step up and get involved the project is healthy.
> Me
> > being the only one to do releases, review and apply PR, etc does not
> scale.
> > Any contribution is welcome!
> >
> > Best regards
> > --
> > Dominik Psenner
> >
> > On Sat, Jun 29, 2019, 20:00 Kabilan VK <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > The last commit was on 2017 so, its becoming a less favor to new
> startup
> > > projects. I tried to contribute by adding latest .net framework
> support so,
> > > at least need a PR review support to get this on track.
> > > Thanks for understanding.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Kabilan
> > >
> > > On Sat, 29 Jun, 2019, 4:31 AM Jochen Wiedmann, <
> jochen.wiedmann@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sat, Jun 29, 2019 at 1:21 PM Dominik Psenner <dp...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > We could also push log4net back to incubation. What do you think?
> > > >
> > > > If availability of people is an issue, then this would be an
> excellent
> > > > way of exhausting those even more.
> > > >
> > > > Jochen
> > > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
> --
> Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com>
>
--
Dominik Psenner
Re: Is Log4Net project abandoned?
Posted by Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com>.
SLF4J is an earlier alternative to log4j-api, but it's not a
replacement. If the other log4* projects adopt similar architectures
to log4j2, they can all have API/implementation separation and
potentially compatible config files, though that's not really planned
by anyone that I know of.
On Mon, 16 Sep 2019 at 23:15, Brown, Michael A <ma...@purdue.edu> wrote:
>
> Any action on slf* as log4* replacement?
>
> I don’t have any issues with log4* or know a great deal about slf* but some of what I read indicates some developers moving in that direction.
>
> Any comments?
>
> Mike
>
> Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> ________________________________
> From: Dominik Psenner <dp...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 5:10:50 PM
> To: dev@logging.apache.org <de...@logging.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: Is Log4Net project abandoned?
>
> I had this message in draft for quite some time now and just now I decided
> to send it in a slightly modified version.
>
> While log4net has been around for a while it may have come the point in
> time when it has reached end of life. A good indicator to me is the number
> of active contributors. This means that the decision is obviously community
> driven. So long people step up and get involved the project is healthy. Me
> being the only one to do releases, review and apply PR, etc does not scale.
> Any contribution is welcome!
>
> Best regards
> --
> Dominik Psenner
>
> On Sat, Jun 29, 2019, 20:00 Kabilan VK <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The last commit was on 2017 so, its becoming a less favor to new startup
> > projects. I tried to contribute by adding latest .net framework support so,
> > at least need a PR review support to get this on track.
> > Thanks for understanding.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Kabilan
> >
> > On Sat, 29 Jun, 2019, 4:31 AM Jochen Wiedmann, <jo...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Sat, Jun 29, 2019 at 1:21 PM Dominik Psenner <dp...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > We could also push log4net back to incubation. What do you think?
> > >
> > > If availability of people is an issue, then this would be an excellent
> > > way of exhausting those even more.
> > >
> > > Jochen
> > >
> >
> >
--
Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com>
Re: Is Log4Net project abandoned?
Posted by "Brown, Michael A" <ma...@purdue.edu>.
Any action on slf* as log4* replacement?
I don’t have any issues with log4* or know a great deal about slf* but some of what I read indicates some developers moving in that direction.
Any comments?
Mike
Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
________________________________
From: Dominik Psenner <dp...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 5:10:50 PM
To: dev@logging.apache.org <de...@logging.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Is Log4Net project abandoned?
I had this message in draft for quite some time now and just now I decided
to send it in a slightly modified version.
While log4net has been around for a while it may have come the point in
time when it has reached end of life. A good indicator to me is the number
of active contributors. This means that the decision is obviously community
driven. So long people step up and get involved the project is healthy. Me
being the only one to do releases, review and apply PR, etc does not scale.
Any contribution is welcome!
Best regards
--
Dominik Psenner
On Sat, Jun 29, 2019, 20:00 Kabilan VK <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The last commit was on 2017 so, its becoming a less favor to new startup
> projects. I tried to contribute by adding latest .net framework support so,
> at least need a PR review support to get this on track.
> Thanks for understanding.
>
> Regards,
> Kabilan
>
> On Sat, 29 Jun, 2019, 4:31 AM Jochen Wiedmann, <jo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, Jun 29, 2019 at 1:21 PM Dominik Psenner <dp...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > We could also push log4net back to incubation. What do you think?
> >
> > If availability of people is an issue, then this would be an excellent
> > way of exhausting those even more.
> >
> > Jochen
> >
>
>
Re: Is Log4Net project abandoned?
Posted by Dominik Psenner <dp...@gmail.com>.
I had this message in draft for quite some time now and just now I decided
to send it in a slightly modified version.
While log4net has been around for a while it may have come the point in
time when it has reached end of life. A good indicator to me is the number
of active contributors. This means that the decision is obviously community
driven. So long people step up and get involved the project is healthy. Me
being the only one to do releases, review and apply PR, etc does not scale.
Any contribution is welcome!
Best regards
--
Dominik Psenner
On Sat, Jun 29, 2019, 20:00 Kabilan VK <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The last commit was on 2017 so, its becoming a less favor to new startup
> projects. I tried to contribute by adding latest .net framework support so,
> at least need a PR review support to get this on track.
> Thanks for understanding.
>
> Regards,
> Kabilan
>
> On Sat, 29 Jun, 2019, 4:31 AM Jochen Wiedmann, <jo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, Jun 29, 2019 at 1:21 PM Dominik Psenner <dp...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > We could also push log4net back to incubation. What do you think?
> >
> > If availability of people is an issue, then this would be an excellent
> > way of exhausting those even more.
> >
> > Jochen
> >
>
>
Re: Is Log4Net project abandoned?
Posted by Kabilan VK <ka...@gmail.com>.
The last commit was on 2017 so, its becoming a less favor to new startup
projects. I tried to contribute by adding latest .net framework support so,
at least need a PR review support to get this on track.
Thanks for understanding.
Regards,
Kabilan
On Sat, 29 Jun, 2019, 4:31 AM Jochen Wiedmann, <jo...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 29, 2019 at 1:21 PM Dominik Psenner <dp...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > We could also push log4net back to incubation. What do you think?
>
> If availability of people is an issue, then this would be an excellent
> way of exhausting those even more.
>
> Jochen
>
Re: Is Log4Net project abandoned?
Posted by Jochen Wiedmann <jo...@gmail.com>.
On Sat, Jun 29, 2019 at 1:21 PM Dominik Psenner <dp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> We could also push log4net back to incubation. What do you think?
If availability of people is an issue, then this would be an excellent
way of exhausting those even more.
Jochen
Re: Is Log4Net project abandoned?
Posted by Dominik Psenner <dp...@gmail.com>.
Hey,
Thanks Matt for providing feedback on the project. I am better at the
moment but still have hard limits in place regarding the time I spend in
front of computers because it does me good.
Given the limited resources I am donating to the project there won't be
noticable progress in the foreseeable future.
To repopulate the set of developers we could lower the bar for adding new
committers. We could also push log4net back to incubation. What do you
think?
--
Dominik Psenner
On Fri, Jun 28, 2019, 17:22 Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It is not abandoned; it is in need of more developers. One of the more
> active developers of that project is currently ill, however, and most
> of the rest of us here aren't that familiar with .NET. I do have
> intentions to try and make a release soon, though, but I'm not that
> familiar with the codebase for PRs.
>
> On Fri, 28 Jun 2019 at 09:47, Kabilan VK <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Is it abandoned, why no one responds for any review or contribution
> > questions?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Kabilan
>
>
>
> --
> Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com>
>
Re: Is Log4Net project abandoned?
Posted by Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com>.
It is not abandoned; it is in need of more developers. One of the more
active developers of that project is currently ill, however, and most
of the rest of us here aren't that familiar with .NET. I do have
intentions to try and make a release soon, though, but I'm not that
familiar with the codebase for PRs.
On Fri, 28 Jun 2019 at 09:47, Kabilan VK <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Is it abandoned, why no one responds for any review or contribution
> questions?
>
> Regards,
> Kabilan
--
Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com>