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Re: AW: AW: Batik and SVG for displaying multiple graphical Objects..
.
OK Sorry for causing this confusion. I'll try again but to do so I'll
better describe my whole application (real stand alone application not a
web application):
Imagine I have a stream of Objects (not grapical Objects) let's call
them "Events". These Events are to be represented as graphical Objects,
let's call these graphical Objects "Representation".
So every "Event" get's assigned exactly one "Representation". I want to
specify these "Representations" as SVG. Lets say all Events "A" should
be displayed as a Representation "blue filled rectangle" ("BFR"), and
all Events "B" as "red filled circles" ("RFC")
So what happens: I have a screen - call it "Monitor". The Monitor should
display all different "Representations".
So assume I have a Event stream consisting of the Events:
A A B A B
We know As should be represented as BFRs and Bs should be displayed as
RFCs somewhere on the Monitor for some time and then disapear again.
So let's read "A", generate a SVG "BFR" and display this graphic
somewhere on the "Monitor", then read the next "A" generate a SVG "BFR"
and display it somewhere else on the Monitor, read Event "B" generate
SVG "RFC", and display it, meanwhile the Event "A" has "timed out" and
we want to remove the Representation for it from the Monitor again...and
so on.
While Events happen, representations are generated and displayed and
removed again...there is a timeline that advances and the content of the
Monitor (= different Representations = single SVG) changes when time
advances.
Sorry for confusing you again, I should have described it like this before.
I hope it's a little bit easier to understand now.
Thanks,
Reinhard
Lolling, Jan wrote:
> I am a little bit confused...
> If you talk about SVGs - do you mean several shapes e.g or do you mean several graphics ?
> SVG-Objects is not an appropriated name for anythink. We talk about svg graphics ore elements (one svg graphic contains several elements) and one element is one shape or group.
>
> JSVGCanvas can only display ONE graphic within several elements.
>
> Please describe your application architecture. Do you want create a application or web application ? In the second case you do not need batik and you can deliver and manipulate your graphic an an servlet e.g.
>
> Jan
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Reinhard Brandstädter [mailto:r.brandstaedter@gmx.at]
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. Juni 2003 17:22
> An: Batik Users
> Betreff: Re: AW: Batik and SVG for displaying multiple graphical
> Objects...
>
>
> Lolling, Jan wrote:
>
>>First of all - SVG is exactly what you need and matching perfect with your request.
>
>
> OK that's good to know!
>
> So to bring it to one point:
> You think it's possible to read several SVGs or create many of them and
> then display them independently in a client application.
> I think the best description is: I want to write a live-Monitor-like
> application (display changing graphical information during execution
> time) where all grapical informations shown are single runtime generated
> graphics based on SVG input.
>
>
> What would be the best way to display several SVG-Objects (or converted
> to Java Swing components) in one single Java Application?
>
> Maybe my definition is not very clear to understand, sorry for that
>
> Reinhard
>
>
>
>>point 2
>>A good method is e.g. to create the entire svg graphic at runtime from any datasource.
>>If you want to display the svg graphic in an browser you do not need batik framework.
>>I have build a web application what creates svg graphics in a servlet. These graphics is shown with the Adobe SVG plugin for IE or Mozilla.
>>If you want to build a client application than batik is needed!
>>
>>There is a mistake or misunderstanding in your point 3.
>>JSVGCanvas can only display one document in time not one object.
>>A document can containing uncounted among of objects (graphical elements).
>>The initialization time is depending from the count and complextity of elements.
>>
>>Jan
>>
>
>
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Re: AW: AW: Batik and SVG for displaying multiple graphical Objects..
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Posted by Reinhard Brandstädter <r....@gmx.at>.
Thank's for all your hints and suggestions!
I think I'll take a deeper look at Batik and SVG and use it for my work
as it sounds pretty good.
Cheers,
Reinhard
Thomas E Deweese wrote:
> Hi Reinhard,
>
> Yes, SVG and Batik should be a pretty good match for this use case.
> I would have one 'template' SVG file that is read and displayed at
> startup. The file would be mostly be empty except for a 'defs'
> section that includes templates for all of your Representations.
>
> Then as you need to put elements into the Monitor you can look up
> the template via Document.getElementById("BFR"); The clone the
> template, update the text as needed and add the clone to the display
> portion of the 'template' document.
>
> One cool thing about structuring your document this way is that you
> can easily modify your templates to have 'looks and feels'. If you
> look at 'samples/mines.svg' It uses this basic approach to implement a
> mine sweeper type application (it uses 'use' elements rather than
> directly cloning the elements).
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Re: AW: AW: Batik and SVG for displaying multiple graphical Objects.. .
Posted by Thomas E Deweese <th...@kodak.com>.
Hi Reinhard,
Yes, SVG and Batik should be a pretty good match for this use case.
I would have one 'template' SVG file that is read and displayed at
startup. The file would be mostly be empty except for a 'defs'
section that includes templates for all of your Representations.
Then as you need to put elements into the Monitor you can look up
the template via Document.getElementById("BFR"); The clone the
template, update the text as needed and add the clone to the display
portion of the 'template' document.
One cool thing about structuring your document this way is that you
can easily modify your templates to have 'looks and feels'. If you
look at 'samples/mines.svg' It uses this basic approach to implement a
mine sweeper type application (it uses 'use' elements rather than
directly cloning the elements).
>>>>> "RB" == Reinhard Brandstädter <r....@gmx.at> writes:
RB> OK Sorry for causing this confusion. I'll try again but to do so
RB> I'll better describe my whole application (real stand alone
RB> application not a web application):
RB> Imagine I have a stream of Objects (not grapical Objects) let's
RB> call them "Events". These Events are to be represented as
RB> graphical Objects, let's call these graphical Objects
RB> "Representation". So every "Event" get's assigned exactly one
RB> "Representation". I want to specify these "Representations" as
RB> SVG. Lets say all Events "A" should be displayed as a
RB> Representation "blue filled rectangle" ("BFR"), and all Events "B"
RB> as "red filled circles" ("RFC")
RB> So what happens: I have a screen - call it "Monitor". The Monitor
RB> should display all different "Representations". So assume I have
RB> a Event stream consisting of the Events: A A B A B We know As
RB> should be represented as BFRs and Bs should be displayed as RFCs
RB> somewhere on the Monitor for some time and then disapear again.
RB> So let's read "A", generate a SVG "BFR" and display this graphic
RB> somewhere on the "Monitor", then read the next "A" generate a SVG
RB> "BFR" and display it somewhere else on the Monitor, read Event "B"
RB> generate SVG "RFC", and display it, meanwhile the Event "A" has
RB> "timed out" and we want to remove the Representation for it from
RB> the Monitor again...and so on. While Events happen,
RB> representations are generated and displayed and removed
RB> again...there is a timeline that advances and the content of the
RB> Monitor (= different Representations = single SVG) changes when
RB> time advances.
RB> Sorry for confusing you again, I should have described it like
RB> this before. I hope it's a little bit easier to understand now.
RB> Thanks, Reinhard
RB> Lolling, Jan wrote:
>> I am a little bit confused... If you talk about SVGs - do you mean
>> several shapes e.g or do you mean several graphics ? SVG-Objects
>> is not an appropriated name for anythink. We talk about svg
>> graphics ore elements (one svg graphic contains several elements)
>> and one element is one shape or group.
>>
>> JSVGCanvas can only display ONE graphic within several elements.
>>
>> Please describe your application architecture. Do you want create a
>> application or web application ? In the second case you do not need
>> batik and you can deliver and manipulate your graphic an an servlet
>> e.g.
>>
>> Jan
>>
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Reinhard Brandstädter
>> [mailto:r.brandstaedter@gmx.at] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. Juni 2003
>> 17:22 An: Batik Users Betreff: Re: AW: Batik and SVG for displaying
>> multiple graphical Objects...
>>
>>
>> Lolling, Jan wrote:
>>
>>> First of all - SVG is exactly what you need and matching perfect
>>> with your request.
>>
>>
>> OK that's good to know!
>>
>> So to bring it to one point: You think it's possible to read
>> several SVGs or create many of them and then display them
>> independently in a client application. I think the best
>> description is: I want to write a live-Monitor-like application
>> (display changing graphical information during execution time)
>> where all grapical informations shown are single runtime generated
>> graphics based on SVG input.
>>
>>
>> What would be the best way to display several SVG-Objects (or
>> converted to Java Swing components) in one single Java Application?
>>
>> Maybe my definition is not very clear to understand, sorry for that
>>
>> Reinhard
>>
>>
>>
>>> point 2 A good method is e.g. to create the entire svg graphic at
>>> runtime from any datasource. If you want to display the svg
>>> graphic in an browser you do not need batik framework. I have
>>> build a web application what creates svg graphics in a
>>> servlet. These graphics is shown with the Adobe SVG plugin for IE
>>> or Mozilla. If you want to build a client application than batik
>>> is needed!
>>>
>>> There is a mistake or misunderstanding in your point 3.
>>> JSVGCanvas can only display one document in time not one object.
>>> A document can containing uncounted among of objects (graphical
>>> elements). The initialization time is depending from the count
>>> and complextity of elements.
>>>
>>> Jan
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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