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Posted to dev@openoffice.apache.org by jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com> on 2012/10/25 20:56:57 UTC
[proposal] Outdated articles in Wiki
To my knowledge, articles that are marked outdated with a reference to a
newer article stays in Wiki.
Would it not be a good idea to remove such pages, in order not to confuse
users ??
There are however no means, which I can find, to do that ?
Reason for my idea/question is that I am looking at localization (l10n),
and there are a bit of old information.
Jan.
Re: [proposal] Outdated articles in Wiki
Posted by jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com>.
So it is "just" a matter of having a checkbox next to the the search (upper
corner) ?
but I assume the setup of wiki is INFRA and not something we control
locally, so a change is not very easy (or how to request such a change) ?
jan.
On 26 October 2012 21:36, RGB ES <rg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2012/10/26 jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com>
>
> > Thanks for clearing that up. I have just been searching for build
> > instructions (again), and in the search response I cannot see if an
> article
> > is outdated, so I had to open some before I got the correct one.
> >
> > Would it be an idea (if possible) to have "outdated" as a category, and
> > extend the search to say with/without outdated, if possible that would
> work
> > fine for me since I would hit the recent one when searching.
> >
>
> AFAIK, the "outdated" template also apply the outdated category:
>
> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Category:Outdated
>
> Regard
> Ricardo
>
>
>
> >
> > regards
> > Jan.
> >
> > On 26 October 2012 21:16, Keith N. McKenna <keith.mckenna@comcast.net
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Jan;
> > > {{Documentation/Outdated}} and {{delete}} are two seperate entities.
> > > Outdated merely says that some inormation is outdated and should be
> > > revised. {{delete}} is a special case that marks a file for speedy
> > deletion
> > > by an wiki administrator.
> > >
> > > At least with the user documentation we tend to add to the document for
> > > newer versions of the software rather than get rid of it as there are
> > still
> > > people using older versions. This can however get carried to extremes.
> My
> > > personal opinion is that it is probably time to start seriously
> > > considering purging version 2.x stuff, but that is a discussion for
> > another
> > > thread.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Keith
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > jan iversen wrote:
> > >
> > >> So if an article is outdated, then it is ready for deletion....or ???
> > >>
> > >> Is it wise to have outdated articles alongside the correct/newer ones,
> > >> thinking of e.g. building instructions it would at least confuse me.
> > >>
> > >> but I have no problem using {{Delete}} thanks for advicing me.
> > >>
> > >> jan.
> > >>
> > >> On 26 October 2012 19:03, Keith N. McKenna <keith.mckenna@comcast.net
> > >**
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Jan;
> > >>>
> > >>> No the outdated symbol is different. {{Delete}} Is a template that
> puts
> > >>> the article in a special category to be deleted by an admin or by a
> > bot.
> > >>>
> > >>> Keith
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> jan iversen wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Do you mean the "outdated" symbol, which should do just fine ??
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Jan.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 26 October 2012 17:18, Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 10/25/12 9:19 PM, jan iversen wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Maybe we could move them to an archive.... ??
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>> I think we can find probably common consensus that we want to
> delete
> > >>>>> pages to clean up this old stuff.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> For example nobody needs today the old building guides. Let us
> focus
> > on
> > >>>>> the future and here I think less but correct and up-to-date
> > information
> > >>>>> is more.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> When I remember correct there exist a template that could be used
> to
> > >>>>> mark a page for deletion.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Simply put {{Delete}} on top of the page
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Or we can create our own delete template with further instructions
> > how
> > >>>>> to proceed.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Administrator can for this from time to time and can delete stuff.
> Or
> > >>>>> we
> > >>>>> can try to cleanup such pages via a wiki bot.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Juergen
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> jan
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On 25 October 2012 21:12, Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org>
> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Nobody want to delete information and wiki pages only admin can
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> actually delete pages. Even then there might be some rights about
> > >>>>>>> ownership. Is like sourceforge dont delete inactive projects.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Still good conversation to debate.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On 10/25/12, jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> To my knowledge, articles that are marked outdated with a
> > reference
> > >>>>>>>> to
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> a
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>> newer article stays in Wiki.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Would it not be a good idea to remove such pages, in order not
> to
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> confuse
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>> users ??
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> There are however no means, which I can find, to do that ?
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Reason for my idea/question is that I am looking at localization
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> (l10n),
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>> and there are a bit of old information.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Jan.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>> Alexandro Colorado
> > >>>>>>> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
> > >>>>>>> http://es.openoffice.org
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: [proposal] Outdated articles in Wiki
Posted by "Keith N. McKenna" <ke...@comcast.net>.
Thanks or that Ricardo, I had forgotten that outdated also assigned the
category.
Regards
Keith
RGB ES wrote:
> 2012/10/26 jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com>
>
>> Thanks for clearing that up. I have just been searching for build
>> instructions (again), and in the search response I cannot see if an article
>> is outdated, so I had to open some before I got the correct one.
>>
>> Would it be an idea (if possible) to have "outdated" as a category, and
>> extend the search to say with/without outdated, if possible that would work
>> fine for me since I would hit the recent one when searching.
>>
>
> AFAIK, the "outdated" template also apply the outdated category:
>
> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Category:Outdated
>
> Regard
> Ricardo
>
>
>
>>
>> regards
>> Jan.
>>
>> On 26 October 2012 21:16, Keith N. McKenna <keith.mckenna@comcast.net
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> Jan;
>>> {{Documentation/Outdated}} and {{delete}} are two seperate entities.
>>> Outdated merely says that some inormation is outdated and should be
>>> revised. {{delete}} is a special case that marks a file for speedy
>> deletion
>>> by an wiki administrator.
>>>
>>> At least with the user documentation we tend to add to the document for
>>> newer versions of the software rather than get rid of it as there are
>> still
>>> people using older versions. This can however get carried to extremes. My
>>> personal opinion is that it is probably time to start seriously
>>> considering purging version 2.x stuff, but that is a discussion for
>> another
>>> thread.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Keith
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> jan iversen wrote:
>>>
>>>> So if an article is outdated, then it is ready for deletion....or ???
>>>>
>>>> Is it wise to have outdated articles alongside the correct/newer ones,
>>>> thinking of e.g. building instructions it would at least confuse me.
>>>>
>>>> but I have no problem using {{Delete}} thanks for advicing me.
>>>>
>>>> jan.
>>>>
>>>> On 26 October 2012 19:03, Keith N. McKenna <keith.mckenna@comcast.net
>>> **
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Jan;
>>>>>
>>>>> No the outdated symbol is different. {{Delete}} Is a template that puts
>>>>> the article in a special category to be deleted by an admin or by a
>> bot.
>>>>>
>>>>> Keith
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> jan iversen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you mean the "outdated" symbol, which should do just fine ??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jan.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 26 October 2012 17:18, Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/25/12 9:19 PM, jan iversen wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe we could move them to an archive.... ??
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think we can find probably common consensus that we want to delete
>>>>>>> pages to clean up this old stuff.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For example nobody needs today the old building guides. Let us focus
>> on
>>>>>>> the future and here I think less but correct and up-to-date
>> information
>>>>>>> is more.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When I remember correct there exist a template that could be used to
>>>>>>> mark a page for deletion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Simply put {{Delete}} on top of the page
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or we can create our own delete template with further instructions
>> how
>>>>>>> to proceed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Administrator can for this from time to time and can delete stuff. Or
>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>> can try to cleanup such pages via a wiki bot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Juergen
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> jan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 25 October 2012 21:12, Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nobody want to delete information and wiki pages only admin can
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> actually delete pages. Even then there might be some rights about
>>>>>>>>> ownership. Is like sourceforge dont delete inactive projects.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Still good conversation to debate.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 10/25/12, jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To my knowledge, articles that are marked outdated with a
>> reference
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> newer article stays in Wiki.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Would it not be a good idea to remove such pages, in order not to
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> confuse
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> users ??
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There are however no means, which I can find, to do that ?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Reason for my idea/question is that I am looking at localization
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (l10n),
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and there are a bit of old information.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jan.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Alexandro Colorado
>>>>>>>>> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
>>>>>>>>> http://es.openoffice.org
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: [proposal] Outdated articles in Wiki
Posted by RGB ES <rg...@gmail.com>.
2012/10/26 jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com>
> Thanks for clearing that up. I have just been searching for build
> instructions (again), and in the search response I cannot see if an article
> is outdated, so I had to open some before I got the correct one.
>
> Would it be an idea (if possible) to have "outdated" as a category, and
> extend the search to say with/without outdated, if possible that would work
> fine for me since I would hit the recent one when searching.
>
AFAIK, the "outdated" template also apply the outdated category:
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Category:Outdated
Regard
Ricardo
>
> regards
> Jan.
>
> On 26 October 2012 21:16, Keith N. McKenna <keith.mckenna@comcast.net
> >wrote:
>
> > Jan;
> > {{Documentation/Outdated}} and {{delete}} are two seperate entities.
> > Outdated merely says that some inormation is outdated and should be
> > revised. {{delete}} is a special case that marks a file for speedy
> deletion
> > by an wiki administrator.
> >
> > At least with the user documentation we tend to add to the document for
> > newer versions of the software rather than get rid of it as there are
> still
> > people using older versions. This can however get carried to extremes. My
> > personal opinion is that it is probably time to start seriously
> > considering purging version 2.x stuff, but that is a discussion for
> another
> > thread.
> >
> > Regards
> > Keith
> >
> >
> >
> > jan iversen wrote:
> >
> >> So if an article is outdated, then it is ready for deletion....or ???
> >>
> >> Is it wise to have outdated articles alongside the correct/newer ones,
> >> thinking of e.g. building instructions it would at least confuse me.
> >>
> >> but I have no problem using {{Delete}} thanks for advicing me.
> >>
> >> jan.
> >>
> >> On 26 October 2012 19:03, Keith N. McKenna <keith.mckenna@comcast.net
> >**
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Jan;
> >>>
> >>> No the outdated symbol is different. {{Delete}} Is a template that puts
> >>> the article in a special category to be deleted by an admin or by a
> bot.
> >>>
> >>> Keith
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> jan iversen wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Do you mean the "outdated" symbol, which should do just fine ??
> >>>>
> >>>> Jan.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 26 October 2012 17:18, Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On 10/25/12 9:19 PM, jan iversen wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Maybe we could move them to an archive.... ??
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> I think we can find probably common consensus that we want to delete
> >>>>> pages to clean up this old stuff.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> For example nobody needs today the old building guides. Let us focus
> on
> >>>>> the future and here I think less but correct and up-to-date
> information
> >>>>> is more.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> When I remember correct there exist a template that could be used to
> >>>>> mark a page for deletion.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Simply put {{Delete}} on top of the page
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Or we can create our own delete template with further instructions
> how
> >>>>> to proceed.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Administrator can for this from time to time and can delete stuff. Or
> >>>>> we
> >>>>> can try to cleanup such pages via a wiki bot.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Juergen
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> jan
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 25 October 2012 21:12, Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Nobody want to delete information and wiki pages only admin can
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> actually delete pages. Even then there might be some rights about
> >>>>>>> ownership. Is like sourceforge dont delete inactive projects.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Still good conversation to debate.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 10/25/12, jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> To my knowledge, articles that are marked outdated with a
> reference
> >>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> newer article stays in Wiki.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Would it not be a good idea to remove such pages, in order not to
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> confuse
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> users ??
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> There are however no means, which I can find, to do that ?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Reason for my idea/question is that I am looking at localization
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> (l10n),
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> and there are a bit of old information.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Jan.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> Alexandro Colorado
> >>>>>>> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
> >>>>>>> http://es.openoffice.org
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
>
Re: [proposal] Outdated articles in Wiki
Posted by jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com>.
Thanks for clearing that up. I have just been searching for build
instructions (again), and in the search response I cannot see if an article
is outdated, so I had to open some before I got the correct one.
Would it be an idea (if possible) to have "outdated" as a category, and
extend the search to say with/without outdated, if possible that would work
fine for me since I would hit the recent one when searching.
regards
Jan.
On 26 October 2012 21:16, Keith N. McKenna <ke...@comcast.net>wrote:
> Jan;
> {{Documentation/Outdated}} and {{delete}} are two seperate entities.
> Outdated merely says that some inormation is outdated and should be
> revised. {{delete}} is a special case that marks a file for speedy deletion
> by an wiki administrator.
>
> At least with the user documentation we tend to add to the document for
> newer versions of the software rather than get rid of it as there are still
> people using older versions. This can however get carried to extremes. My
> personal opinion is that it is probably time to start seriously
> considering purging version 2.x stuff, but that is a discussion for another
> thread.
>
> Regards
> Keith
>
>
>
> jan iversen wrote:
>
>> So if an article is outdated, then it is ready for deletion....or ???
>>
>> Is it wise to have outdated articles alongside the correct/newer ones,
>> thinking of e.g. building instructions it would at least confuse me.
>>
>> but I have no problem using {{Delete}} thanks for advicing me.
>>
>> jan.
>>
>> On 26 October 2012 19:03, Keith N. McKenna <ke...@comcast.net>**
>> wrote:
>>
>> Jan;
>>>
>>> No the outdated symbol is different. {{Delete}} Is a template that puts
>>> the article in a special category to be deleted by an admin or by a bot.
>>>
>>> Keith
>>>
>>>
>>> jan iversen wrote:
>>>
>>> Do you mean the "outdated" symbol, which should do just fine ??
>>>>
>>>> Jan.
>>>>
>>>> On 26 October 2012 17:18, Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 10/25/12 9:19 PM, jan iversen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe we could move them to an archive.... ??
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I think we can find probably common consensus that we want to delete
>>>>> pages to clean up this old stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>> For example nobody needs today the old building guides. Let us focus on
>>>>> the future and here I think less but correct and up-to-date information
>>>>> is more.
>>>>>
>>>>> When I remember correct there exist a template that could be used to
>>>>> mark a page for deletion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Simply put {{Delete}} on top of the page
>>>>>
>>>>> Or we can create our own delete template with further instructions how
>>>>> to proceed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Administrator can for this from time to time and can delete stuff. Or
>>>>> we
>>>>> can try to cleanup such pages via a wiki bot.
>>>>>
>>>>> Juergen
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> jan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 25 October 2012 21:12, Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nobody want to delete information and wiki pages only admin can
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> actually delete pages. Even then there might be some rights about
>>>>>>> ownership. Is like sourceforge dont delete inactive projects.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Still good conversation to debate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/25/12, jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To my knowledge, articles that are marked outdated with a reference
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> newer article stays in Wiki.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Would it not be a good idea to remove such pages, in order not to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> confuse
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> users ??
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are however no means, which I can find, to do that ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Reason for my idea/question is that I am looking at localization
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (l10n),
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> and there are a bit of old information.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jan.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Alexandro Colorado
>>>>>>> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
>>>>>>> http://es.openoffice.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
Re: [proposal] Outdated articles in Wiki
Posted by "Keith N. McKenna" <ke...@comcast.net>.
Jan;
{{Documentation/Outdated}} and {{delete}} are two seperate entities.
Outdated merely says that some inormation is outdated and should be
revised. {{delete}} is a special case that marks a file for speedy
deletion by an wiki administrator.
At least with the user documentation we tend to add to the document for
newer versions of the software rather than get rid of it as there are
still people using older versions. This can however get carried to
extremes. My personal opinion is that it is probably time to start
seriously considering purging version 2.x stuff, but that is a
discussion for another thread.
Regards
Keith
jan iversen wrote:
> So if an article is outdated, then it is ready for deletion....or ???
>
> Is it wise to have outdated articles alongside the correct/newer ones,
> thinking of e.g. building instructions it would at least confuse me.
>
> but I have no problem using {{Delete}} thanks for advicing me.
>
> jan.
>
> On 26 October 2012 19:03, Keith N. McKenna <ke...@comcast.net>wrote:
>
>> Jan;
>>
>> No the outdated symbol is different. {{Delete}} Is a template that puts
>> the article in a special category to be deleted by an admin or by a bot.
>>
>> Keith
>>
>>
>> jan iversen wrote:
>>
>>> Do you mean the "outdated" symbol, which should do just fine ??
>>>
>>> Jan.
>>>
>>> On 26 October 2012 17:18, Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 10/25/12 9:19 PM, jan iversen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Maybe we could move them to an archive.... ??
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think we can find probably common consensus that we want to delete
>>>> pages to clean up this old stuff.
>>>>
>>>> For example nobody needs today the old building guides. Let us focus on
>>>> the future and here I think less but correct and up-to-date information
>>>> is more.
>>>>
>>>> When I remember correct there exist a template that could be used to
>>>> mark a page for deletion.
>>>>
>>>> Simply put {{Delete}} on top of the page
>>>>
>>>> Or we can create our own delete template with further instructions how
>>>> to proceed.
>>>>
>>>> Administrator can for this from time to time and can delete stuff. Or we
>>>> can try to cleanup such pages via a wiki bot.
>>>>
>>>> Juergen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> jan
>>>>>
>>>>> On 25 October 2012 21:12, Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Nobody want to delete information and wiki pages only admin can
>>>>>> actually delete pages. Even then there might be some rights about
>>>>>> ownership. Is like sourceforge dont delete inactive projects.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Still good conversation to debate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/25/12, jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To my knowledge, articles that are marked outdated with a reference to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> a
>>>>
>>>>> newer article stays in Wiki.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Would it not be a good idea to remove such pages, in order not to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> confuse
>>>>
>>>>> users ??
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are however no means, which I can find, to do that ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Reason for my idea/question is that I am looking at localization
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> (l10n),
>>>>
>>>>> and there are a bit of old information.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jan.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Alexandro Colorado
>>>>>> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
>>>>>> http://es.openoffice.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
Re: [proposal] Outdated articles in Wiki
Posted by jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com>.
So if an article is outdated, then it is ready for deletion....or ???
Is it wise to have outdated articles alongside the correct/newer ones,
thinking of e.g. building instructions it would at least confuse me.
but I have no problem using {{Delete}} thanks for advicing me.
jan.
On 26 October 2012 19:03, Keith N. McKenna <ke...@comcast.net>wrote:
> Jan;
>
> No the outdated symbol is different. {{Delete}} Is a template that puts
> the article in a special category to be deleted by an admin or by a bot.
>
> Keith
>
>
> jan iversen wrote:
>
>> Do you mean the "outdated" symbol, which should do just fine ??
>>
>> Jan.
>>
>> On 26 October 2012 17:18, Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 10/25/12 9:19 PM, jan iversen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Maybe we could move them to an archive.... ??
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think we can find probably common consensus that we want to delete
>>> pages to clean up this old stuff.
>>>
>>> For example nobody needs today the old building guides. Let us focus on
>>> the future and here I think less but correct and up-to-date information
>>> is more.
>>>
>>> When I remember correct there exist a template that could be used to
>>> mark a page for deletion.
>>>
>>> Simply put {{Delete}} on top of the page
>>>
>>> Or we can create our own delete template with further instructions how
>>> to proceed.
>>>
>>> Administrator can for this from time to time and can delete stuff. Or we
>>> can try to cleanup such pages via a wiki bot.
>>>
>>> Juergen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> jan
>>>>
>>>> On 25 October 2012 21:12, Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Nobody want to delete information and wiki pages only admin can
>>>>> actually delete pages. Even then there might be some rights about
>>>>> ownership. Is like sourceforge dont delete inactive projects.
>>>>>
>>>>> Still good conversation to debate.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/25/12, jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> To my knowledge, articles that are marked outdated with a reference to
>>>>>>
>>>>> a
>>>
>>>> newer article stays in Wiki.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Would it not be a good idea to remove such pages, in order not to
>>>>>>
>>>>> confuse
>>>
>>>> users ??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are however no means, which I can find, to do that ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Reason for my idea/question is that I am looking at localization
>>>>>>
>>>>> (l10n),
>>>
>>>> and there are a bit of old information.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jan.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Alexandro Colorado
>>>>> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
>>>>> http://es.openoffice.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
Re: [proposal] Outdated articles in Wiki
Posted by "Keith N. McKenna" <ke...@comcast.net>.
Jan;
No the outdated symbol is different. {{Delete}} Is a template that puts
the article in a special category to be deleted by an admin or by a bot.
Keith
jan iversen wrote:
> Do you mean the "outdated" symbol, which should do just fine ??
>
> Jan.
>
> On 26 October 2012 17:18, Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 10/25/12 9:19 PM, jan iversen wrote:
>>> Maybe we could move them to an archive.... ??
>>
>> I think we can find probably common consensus that we want to delete
>> pages to clean up this old stuff.
>>
>> For example nobody needs today the old building guides. Let us focus on
>> the future and here I think less but correct and up-to-date information
>> is more.
>>
>> When I remember correct there exist a template that could be used to
>> mark a page for deletion.
>>
>> Simply put {{Delete}} on top of the page
>>
>> Or we can create our own delete template with further instructions how
>> to proceed.
>>
>> Administrator can for this from time to time and can delete stuff. Or we
>> can try to cleanup such pages via a wiki bot.
>>
>> Juergen
>>
>>
>>>
>>> jan
>>>
>>> On 25 October 2012 21:12, Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nobody want to delete information and wiki pages only admin can
>>>> actually delete pages. Even then there might be some rights about
>>>> ownership. Is like sourceforge dont delete inactive projects.
>>>>
>>>> Still good conversation to debate.
>>>>
>>>> On 10/25/12, jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> To my knowledge, articles that are marked outdated with a reference to
>> a
>>>>> newer article stays in Wiki.
>>>>>
>>>>> Would it not be a good idea to remove such pages, in order not to
>> confuse
>>>>> users ??
>>>>>
>>>>> There are however no means, which I can find, to do that ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Reason for my idea/question is that I am looking at localization
>> (l10n),
>>>>> and there are a bit of old information.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jan.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Alexandro Colorado
>>>> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
>>>> http://es.openoffice.org
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
Re: [proposal] Outdated articles in Wiki
Posted by jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com>.
Do you mean the "outdated" symbol, which should do just fine ??
Jan.
On 26 October 2012 17:18, Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 10/25/12 9:19 PM, jan iversen wrote:
> > Maybe we could move them to an archive.... ??
>
> I think we can find probably common consensus that we want to delete
> pages to clean up this old stuff.
>
> For example nobody needs today the old building guides. Let us focus on
> the future and here I think less but correct and up-to-date information
> is more.
>
> When I remember correct there exist a template that could be used to
> mark a page for deletion.
>
> Simply put {{Delete}} on top of the page
>
> Or we can create our own delete template with further instructions how
> to proceed.
>
> Administrator can for this from time to time and can delete stuff. Or we
> can try to cleanup such pages via a wiki bot.
>
> Juergen
>
>
> >
> > jan
> >
> > On 25 October 2012 21:12, Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Nobody want to delete information and wiki pages only admin can
> >> actually delete pages. Even then there might be some rights about
> >> ownership. Is like sourceforge dont delete inactive projects.
> >>
> >> Still good conversation to debate.
> >>
> >> On 10/25/12, jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> To my knowledge, articles that are marked outdated with a reference to
> a
> >>> newer article stays in Wiki.
> >>>
> >>> Would it not be a good idea to remove such pages, in order not to
> confuse
> >>> users ??
> >>>
> >>> There are however no means, which I can find, to do that ?
> >>>
> >>> Reason for my idea/question is that I am looking at localization
> (l10n),
> >>> and there are a bit of old information.
> >>>
> >>> Jan.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Alexandro Colorado
> >> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
> >> http://es.openoffice.org
> >>
> >
>
>
Re: [proposal] Outdated articles in Wiki
Posted by "Keith N. McKenna" <ke...@comcast.net>.
Hi All;
I have been slowly trying to update the documentation wiki with up to
date information for users, but I am not a developer and have no inkling
as to what is or is not good info in those docs.
A good place to start is the documents in the "Need Rework" category. An
alphabetized list of these is available from the following link:
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Category:Documentation/NeedsRework.
Regards
Keith
Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
> On 10/25/12 9:19 PM, jan iversen wrote:
>> Maybe we could move them to an archive.... ??
>
> I think we can find probably common consensus that we want to delete
> pages to clean up this old stuff.
>
> For example nobody needs today the old building guides. Let us focus on
> the future and here I think less but correct and up-to-date information
> is more.
>
> When I remember correct there exist a template that could be used to
> mark a page for deletion.
>
> Simply put {{Delete}} on top of the page
>
> Or we can create our own delete template with further instructions how
> to proceed.
>
> Administrator can for this from time to time and can delete stuff. Or we
> can try to cleanup such pages via a wiki bot.
>
> Juergen
>
>
>>
>> jan
>>
>> On 25 October 2012 21:12, Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Nobody want to delete information and wiki pages only admin can
>>> actually delete pages. Even then there might be some rights about
>>> ownership. Is like sourceforge dont delete inactive projects.
>>>
>>> Still good conversation to debate.
>>>
>>> On 10/25/12, jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> To my knowledge, articles that are marked outdated with a reference to a
>>>> newer article stays in Wiki.
>>>>
>>>> Would it not be a good idea to remove such pages, in order not to confuse
>>>> users ??
>>>>
>>>> There are however no means, which I can find, to do that ?
>>>>
>>>> Reason for my idea/question is that I am looking at localization (l10n),
>>>> and there are a bit of old information.
>>>>
>>>> Jan.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Alexandro Colorado
>>> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
>>> http://es.openoffice.org
>>>
>>
>
>
Re: [proposal] Outdated articles in Wiki
Posted by Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com>.
On 10/25/12 9:19 PM, jan iversen wrote:
> Maybe we could move them to an archive.... ??
I think we can find probably common consensus that we want to delete
pages to clean up this old stuff.
For example nobody needs today the old building guides. Let us focus on
the future and here I think less but correct and up-to-date information
is more.
When I remember correct there exist a template that could be used to
mark a page for deletion.
Simply put {{Delete}} on top of the page
Or we can create our own delete template with further instructions how
to proceed.
Administrator can for this from time to time and can delete stuff. Or we
can try to cleanup such pages via a wiki bot.
Juergen
>
> jan
>
> On 25 October 2012 21:12, Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org> wrote:
>
>> Nobody want to delete information and wiki pages only admin can
>> actually delete pages. Even then there might be some rights about
>> ownership. Is like sourceforge dont delete inactive projects.
>>
>> Still good conversation to debate.
>>
>> On 10/25/12, jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> To my knowledge, articles that are marked outdated with a reference to a
>>> newer article stays in Wiki.
>>>
>>> Would it not be a good idea to remove such pages, in order not to confuse
>>> users ??
>>>
>>> There are however no means, which I can find, to do that ?
>>>
>>> Reason for my idea/question is that I am looking at localization (l10n),
>>> and there are a bit of old information.
>>>
>>> Jan.
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Alexandro Colorado
>> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
>> http://es.openoffice.org
>>
>
Re: [proposal] Outdated articles in Wiki
Posted by jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com>.
Maybe we could move them to an archive.... ??
jan
On 25 October 2012 21:12, Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org> wrote:
> Nobody want to delete information and wiki pages only admin can
> actually delete pages. Even then there might be some rights about
> ownership. Is like sourceforge dont delete inactive projects.
>
> Still good conversation to debate.
>
> On 10/25/12, jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > To my knowledge, articles that are marked outdated with a reference to a
> > newer article stays in Wiki.
> >
> > Would it not be a good idea to remove such pages, in order not to confuse
> > users ??
> >
> > There are however no means, which I can find, to do that ?
> >
> > Reason for my idea/question is that I am looking at localization (l10n),
> > and there are a bit of old information.
> >
> > Jan.
> >
>
>
> --
> Alexandro Colorado
> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
> http://es.openoffice.org
>
Re: [proposal] Outdated articles in Wiki
Posted by Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org>.
Nobody want to delete information and wiki pages only admin can
actually delete pages. Even then there might be some rights about
ownership. Is like sourceforge dont delete inactive projects.
Still good conversation to debate.
On 10/25/12, jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> To my knowledge, articles that are marked outdated with a reference to a
> newer article stays in Wiki.
>
> Would it not be a good idea to remove such pages, in order not to confuse
> users ??
>
> There are however no means, which I can find, to do that ?
>
> Reason for my idea/question is that I am looking at localization (l10n),
> and there are a bit of old information.
>
> Jan.
>
--
Alexandro Colorado
PPMC Apache OpenOffice
http://es.openoffice.org
Re: [proposal] Outdated articles in Wiki
Posted by RGB ES <rg...@gmail.com>.
2012/10/25 jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com>
> To my knowledge, articles that are marked outdated with a reference to a
> newer article stays in Wiki.
>
> Would it not be a good idea to remove such pages, in order not to confuse
> users ??
>
> There are however no means, which I can find, to do that ?
>
For a normal user, no: only wiki admins can delete pages. In fact on mwiki
you cannot get rid of those pages at all because if you try to move them to
a new location, a redirect remains on the old address. On the last few
weeks we "cleaned" the ES mwiki by changing on all the non useful pages the
category from ES to OldES, being sure that nothing linked to those pages
and then restarted almost from scratch with new content on a new folder
structure. IMO, this is the best we can do: if at least the address is
still useful change the content, if not even the address is useful make
sure that nothing link to that page and remove any meaningful category from
it to avoid users arriving by accident.
Regards
Ricardo
>
> Reason for my idea/question is that I am looking at localization (l10n),
> and there are a bit of old information.
>
> Jan.
>