Sending BB7 to the farm

[Lorin Beer <lo...@gmail.com>]

Don's question regarding a BB7 roadmap yesterday made me realize that we
don't have one. Concentrating on BB10/Playbook has caused us ignore BB7.

A little while ago, BB7 was discussed in terms of sending her off to the
farm/attic/(silicon afterlife). The decision was reached that we should
keep up support.

I believe BlackBerry's stance is that they are not interested in
maintaining the BB7 Cordova implementation. Ken, Bryan, jump in here and
correct me if I'm wrong.

There is a lot of work involved in getting BB7 to the 3.0.0 cli stage, and
if the plan is to drop support for the platform entirely within the next 6
months, I don't see that this work is justified.

Deprecation policy is 3 releases now, which means 3.1.0 is the soonest we
can drop it.

Given that :
- Brett on PhoneGap build has described the BB7 usage statistic as "noise"
- no new jira tickets are submitted for BB7 unless it's by our team

I propose that we :

1. keep BB7 pre-cli maintenance mode regardless of how many releases it
sticks around for

2. announce BB7 deprecation and drop BB7 before the 3.0.0 release

The reasoning for 2 is to not pollute the 3.0 release with legacy code
which is not CLI compliant. I realize that this contravenes our deprecation
policy, but I think the level of interest in BB7 may let us get away with
it.

- Lorin

Re: Sending BB7 to the farm

[Lorin Beer <lo...@gmail.com>]

currently, that is correct. We officially support 5.0+ and playbook.

This will need to be revised once this has been decided on.


On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Marcel Kinard <cm...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yup, that is entirely fair. And it's the same solution suggested to our
> friends in Asia that wanted to run on iOS 4.3.
>
> So if that is how we address older OS's, then it would seem documenting
> which older Cordova supports the older OS's would be needed. Then users
> could figure out how far back in history to go to find the Cordova that
> does what they need.
>
> I'm looking at
> http://cordova.apache.org/docs/en/2.7.0/guide_getting-started_blackberry_index.md.htmland it says that BB 5.0 and up is supported, including Playbook. That's not
> accurate, is it?
>
> The Getting Started guides for iOS and Android are nice and clear on this
> topic.
>
> -- Marcel Kinard
>
> On May 13, 2013, at 4:41 PM, Lorin Beer <lo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Absolutely Marcel,
> >
> > although, the impetus behind dropping BB is not the usage numbers, but
> the
> > lack of interest in future support beyond maintenance. We want our
> efforts
> > to go towards BB10 development.
> >
> > My understanding is that older blackberry's are hugely popular devices in
> > countries we may not immediately consider, like Nigeria.
> >
> > I think the important thing to take away is that users wanting to develop
> > apps for older generation BlackBerry devices will still be able to, just
> > not with Cordova 3.0 +.
> >
> > - Lorin
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Marcel Kinard <cm...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> While I'm as happy as the next person to see old versions go away,
> perhaps
> >> something else should be considered when making these decisions: country
> >> usage may not reflect global averages.
> >>
> >> For example, I recently was in discussion with some folks in a large
> Asia
> >> country regarding iOS 4.3. Apparently iOS 4.3 is much more widely used
> >> there than in North America / Europe, it's not a rounding error. As it
> was
> >> explained to me, it is common for users to not upgrade the OS on their
> >> phones there to the latest & greatest, it's part of the user behavior /
> >> culture.
> >>
> >> So the relavant question I'd ask is how popular is BB7 in someplace like
> >> Canada? According to
> >> http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os-CA-monthly-201305-201305-bar the
> >> total BB usage looks to currently be around 10%. It's unclear what
> portion
> >> is BB6 vs BB7 vs BB10. Are we OK with dropping that population?
> >>
> >> Our 5% threshold may be hiding some of the story when we look only at a
> >> single global number.
> >>
> >> -- Marcel Kinard
> >>
> >> On May 9, 2013, at 4:32 PM, Filip Maj <fi...@adobe.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> +1 sunsetting BB7
> >>>
> >>> On 5/8/13 8:58 AM, "Don Coleman" <do...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I'd be happy to see BB7 go away.  It seems like 3.0 could drop
> support,
> >>>> especially if BlackBerry is concentrating on 10 and not releasing
> >> webworks
> >>>> updates.
> >>>>
> >>>> I have a client asking for support BB7 along with Android and iOS.
>  This
> >>>> probably means that I have a cordova-cli project and a separate BB7
> >> build
> >>>> and keep BB7 on PhoneGap 2.x.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Bryan Higgins
> >>>> <bh...@blackberry.com>wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> It is fair to say that our team is focused solely on BB10. The
> WebWorks
> >>>>> SDK
> >>>>> for BBOS itself has no future planned releases.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> One point I should clear up is the new blackberry10 platform code
> we're
> >>>>> introducing does not cover PlayBook as well. The PlayBook runs
> >> TabletOS,
> >>>>> which while built on qnx does not as of yet have binary compatibility
> >>>>> with
> >>>>> BB10. Our CEO has said BB10 for PlayBook is in development, but there
> >>>>> have
> >>>>> been no official announcements regarding a release.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Lorin Beer <
> lorin.beer.dev@gmail.com
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Don's question regarding a BB7 roadmap yesterday made me realize
> that
> >>>>> we
> >>>>>> don't have one. Concentrating on BB10/Playbook has caused us ignore
> >>>>> BB7.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> A little while ago, BB7 was discussed in terms of sending her off to
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>> farm/attic/(silicon afterlife). The decision was reached that we
> >>>>> should
> >>>>>> keep up support.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I believe BlackBerry's stance is that they are not interested in
> >>>>>> maintaining the BB7 Cordova implementation. Ken, Bryan, jump in here
> >>>>> and
> >>>>>> correct me if I'm wrong.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> There is a lot of work involved in getting BB7 to the 3.0.0 cli
> stage,
> >>>>> and
> >>>>>> if the plan is to drop support for the platform entirely within the
> >>>>> next
> >>>>> 6
> >>>>>> months, I don't see that this work is justified.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Deprecation policy is 3 releases now, which means 3.1.0 is the
> >>>>> soonest we
> >>>>>> can drop it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Given that :
> >>>>>> - Brett on PhoneGap build has described the BB7 usage statistic as
> >>>>> "noise"
> >>>>>> - no new jira tickets are submitted for BB7 unless it's by our team
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I propose that we :
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 1. keep BB7 pre-cli maintenance mode regardless of how many releases
> >>>>> it
> >>>>>> sticks around for
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 2. announce BB7 deprecation and drop BB7 before the 3.0.0 release
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The reasoning for 2 is to not pollute the 3.0 release with legacy
> code
> >>>>>> which is not CLI compliant. I realize that this contravenes our
> >>>>> deprecation
> >>>>>> policy, but I think the level of interest in BB7 may let us get away
> >>>>> with
> >>>>>> it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> - Lorin
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
>
>

Re: Sending BB7 to the farm

[Marcel Kinard <cm...@gmail.com>]

Yup, that is entirely fair. And it's the same solution suggested to our friends in Asia that wanted to run on iOS 4.3.

So if that is how we address older OS's, then it would seem documenting which older Cordova supports the older OS's would be needed. Then users could figure out how far back in history to go to find the Cordova that does what they need.

I'm looking at http://cordova.apache.org/docs/en/2.7.0/guide_getting-started_blackberry_index.md.html and it says that BB 5.0 and up is supported, including Playbook. That's not accurate, is it?

The Getting Started guides for iOS and Android are nice and clear on this topic.

-- Marcel Kinard

On May 13, 2013, at 4:41 PM, Lorin Beer <lo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Absolutely Marcel,
> 
> although, the impetus behind dropping BB is not the usage numbers, but the
> lack of interest in future support beyond maintenance. We want our efforts
> to go towards BB10 development.
> 
> My understanding is that older blackberry's are hugely popular devices in
> countries we may not immediately consider, like Nigeria.
> 
> I think the important thing to take away is that users wanting to develop
> apps for older generation BlackBerry devices will still be able to, just
> not with Cordova 3.0 +.
> 
> - Lorin
> 
> 
> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Marcel Kinard <cm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> While I'm as happy as the next person to see old versions go away, perhaps
>> something else should be considered when making these decisions: country
>> usage may not reflect global averages.
>> 
>> For example, I recently was in discussion with some folks in a large Asia
>> country regarding iOS 4.3. Apparently iOS 4.3 is much more widely used
>> there than in North America / Europe, it's not a rounding error. As it was
>> explained to me, it is common for users to not upgrade the OS on their
>> phones there to the latest & greatest, it's part of the user behavior /
>> culture.
>> 
>> So the relavant question I'd ask is how popular is BB7 in someplace like
>> Canada? According to
>> http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os-CA-monthly-201305-201305-bar the
>> total BB usage looks to currently be around 10%. It's unclear what portion
>> is BB6 vs BB7 vs BB10. Are we OK with dropping that population?
>> 
>> Our 5% threshold may be hiding some of the story when we look only at a
>> single global number.
>> 
>> -- Marcel Kinard
>> 
>> On May 9, 2013, at 4:32 PM, Filip Maj <fi...@adobe.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> +1 sunsetting BB7
>>> 
>>> On 5/8/13 8:58 AM, "Don Coleman" <do...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I'd be happy to see BB7 go away.  It seems like 3.0 could drop support,
>>>> especially if BlackBerry is concentrating on 10 and not releasing
>> webworks
>>>> updates.
>>>> 
>>>> I have a client asking for support BB7 along with Android and iOS.  This
>>>> probably means that I have a cordova-cli project and a separate BB7
>> build
>>>> and keep BB7 on PhoneGap 2.x.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Bryan Higgins
>>>> <bh...@blackberry.com>wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> It is fair to say that our team is focused solely on BB10. The WebWorks
>>>>> SDK
>>>>> for BBOS itself has no future planned releases.
>>>>> 
>>>>> One point I should clear up is the new blackberry10 platform code we're
>>>>> introducing does not cover PlayBook as well. The PlayBook runs
>> TabletOS,
>>>>> which while built on qnx does not as of yet have binary compatibility
>>>>> with
>>>>> BB10. Our CEO has said BB10 for PlayBook is in development, but there
>>>>> have
>>>>> been no official announcements regarding a release.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Lorin Beer <lorin.beer.dev@gmail.com
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Don's question regarding a BB7 roadmap yesterday made me realize that
>>>>> we
>>>>>> don't have one. Concentrating on BB10/Playbook has caused us ignore
>>>>> BB7.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> A little while ago, BB7 was discussed in terms of sending her off to
>>>>> the
>>>>>> farm/attic/(silicon afterlife). The decision was reached that we
>>>>> should
>>>>>> keep up support.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I believe BlackBerry's stance is that they are not interested in
>>>>>> maintaining the BB7 Cordova implementation. Ken, Bryan, jump in here
>>>>> and
>>>>>> correct me if I'm wrong.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> There is a lot of work involved in getting BB7 to the 3.0.0 cli stage,
>>>>> and
>>>>>> if the plan is to drop support for the platform entirely within the
>>>>> next
>>>>> 6
>>>>>> months, I don't see that this work is justified.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Deprecation policy is 3 releases now, which means 3.1.0 is the
>>>>> soonest we
>>>>>> can drop it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Given that :
>>>>>> - Brett on PhoneGap build has described the BB7 usage statistic as
>>>>> "noise"
>>>>>> - no new jira tickets are submitted for BB7 unless it's by our team
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I propose that we :
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 1. keep BB7 pre-cli maintenance mode regardless of how many releases
>>>>> it
>>>>>> sticks around for
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 2. announce BB7 deprecation and drop BB7 before the 3.0.0 release
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The reasoning for 2 is to not pollute the 3.0 release with legacy code
>>>>>> which is not CLI compliant. I realize that this contravenes our
>>>>> deprecation
>>>>>> policy, but I think the level of interest in BB7 may let us get away
>>>>> with
>>>>>> it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> - Lorin
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 

Re: Sending BB7 to the farm

[Lorin Beer <lo...@gmail.com>]

Absolutely Marcel,

although, the impetus behind dropping BB is not the usage numbers, but the
lack of interest in future support beyond maintenance. We want our efforts
to go towards BB10 development.

My understanding is that older blackberry's are hugely popular devices in
countries we may not immediately consider, like Nigeria.

I think the important thing to take away is that users wanting to develop
apps for older generation BlackBerry devices will still be able to, just
not with Cordova 3.0 +.

- Lorin


On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Marcel Kinard <cm...@gmail.com> wrote:

> While I'm as happy as the next person to see old versions go away, perhaps
> something else should be considered when making these decisions: country
> usage may not reflect global averages.
>
> For example, I recently was in discussion with some folks in a large Asia
> country regarding iOS 4.3. Apparently iOS 4.3 is much more widely used
> there than in North America / Europe, it's not a rounding error. As it was
> explained to me, it is common for users to not upgrade the OS on their
> phones there to the latest & greatest, it's part of the user behavior /
> culture.
>
> So the relavant question I'd ask is how popular is BB7 in someplace like
> Canada? According to
> http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os-CA-monthly-201305-201305-bar the
> total BB usage looks to currently be around 10%. It's unclear what portion
> is BB6 vs BB7 vs BB10. Are we OK with dropping that population?
>
> Our 5% threshold may be hiding some of the story when we look only at a
> single global number.
>
> -- Marcel Kinard
>
> On May 9, 2013, at 4:32 PM, Filip Maj <fi...@adobe.com> wrote:
>
> > +1 sunsetting BB7
> >
> > On 5/8/13 8:58 AM, "Don Coleman" <do...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I'd be happy to see BB7 go away.  It seems like 3.0 could drop support,
> >> especially if BlackBerry is concentrating on 10 and not releasing
> webworks
> >> updates.
> >>
> >> I have a client asking for support BB7 along with Android and iOS.  This
> >> probably means that I have a cordova-cli project and a separate BB7
> build
> >> and keep BB7 on PhoneGap 2.x.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Bryan Higgins
> >> <bh...@blackberry.com>wrote:
> >>
> >>> It is fair to say that our team is focused solely on BB10. The WebWorks
> >>> SDK
> >>> for BBOS itself has no future planned releases.
> >>>
> >>> One point I should clear up is the new blackberry10 platform code we're
> >>> introducing does not cover PlayBook as well. The PlayBook runs
> TabletOS,
> >>> which while built on qnx does not as of yet have binary compatibility
> >>> with
> >>> BB10. Our CEO has said BB10 for PlayBook is in development, but there
> >>> have
> >>> been no official announcements regarding a release.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Lorin Beer <lorin.beer.dev@gmail.com
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Don's question regarding a BB7 roadmap yesterday made me realize that
> >>> we
> >>>> don't have one. Concentrating on BB10/Playbook has caused us ignore
> >>> BB7.
> >>>>
> >>>> A little while ago, BB7 was discussed in terms of sending her off to
> >>> the
> >>>> farm/attic/(silicon afterlife). The decision was reached that we
> >>> should
> >>>> keep up support.
> >>>>
> >>>> I believe BlackBerry's stance is that they are not interested in
> >>>> maintaining the BB7 Cordova implementation. Ken, Bryan, jump in here
> >>> and
> >>>> correct me if I'm wrong.
> >>>>
> >>>> There is a lot of work involved in getting BB7 to the 3.0.0 cli stage,
> >>> and
> >>>> if the plan is to drop support for the platform entirely within the
> >>> next
> >>> 6
> >>>> months, I don't see that this work is justified.
> >>>>
> >>>> Deprecation policy is 3 releases now, which means 3.1.0 is the
> >>> soonest we
> >>>> can drop it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Given that :
> >>>> - Brett on PhoneGap build has described the BB7 usage statistic as
> >>> "noise"
> >>>> - no new jira tickets are submitted for BB7 unless it's by our team
> >>>>
> >>>> I propose that we :
> >>>>
> >>>> 1. keep BB7 pre-cli maintenance mode regardless of how many releases
> >>> it
> >>>> sticks around for
> >>>>
> >>>> 2. announce BB7 deprecation and drop BB7 before the 3.0.0 release
> >>>>
> >>>> The reasoning for 2 is to not pollute the 3.0 release with legacy code
> >>>> which is not CLI compliant. I realize that this contravenes our
> >>> deprecation
> >>>> policy, but I think the level of interest in BB7 may let us get away
> >>> with
> >>>> it.
> >>>>
> >>>> - Lorin
> >>>>
> >>>
> >
>
>

Re: Sending BB7 to the farm

[Marcel Kinard <cm...@gmail.com>]

While I'm as happy as the next person to see old versions go away, perhaps something else should be considered when making these decisions: country usage may not reflect global averages. 

For example, I recently was in discussion with some folks in a large Asia country regarding iOS 4.3. Apparently iOS 4.3 is much more widely used there than in North America / Europe, it's not a rounding error. As it was explained to me, it is common for users to not upgrade the OS on their phones there to the latest & greatest, it's part of the user behavior / culture.

So the relavant question I'd ask is how popular is BB7 in someplace like Canada? According to http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os-CA-monthly-201305-201305-bar the total BB usage looks to currently be around 10%. It's unclear what portion is BB6 vs BB7 vs BB10. Are we OK with dropping that population?

Our 5% threshold may be hiding some of the story when we look only at a single global number.

-- Marcel Kinard

On May 9, 2013, at 4:32 PM, Filip Maj <fi...@adobe.com> wrote:

> +1 sunsetting BB7
> 
> On 5/8/13 8:58 AM, "Don Coleman" <do...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I'd be happy to see BB7 go away.  It seems like 3.0 could drop support,
>> especially if BlackBerry is concentrating on 10 and not releasing webworks
>> updates.
>> 
>> I have a client asking for support BB7 along with Android and iOS.  This
>> probably means that I have a cordova-cli project and a separate BB7 build
>> and keep BB7 on PhoneGap 2.x.
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Bryan Higgins
>> <bh...@blackberry.com>wrote:
>> 
>>> It is fair to say that our team is focused solely on BB10. The WebWorks
>>> SDK
>>> for BBOS itself has no future planned releases.
>>> 
>>> One point I should clear up is the new blackberry10 platform code we're
>>> introducing does not cover PlayBook as well. The PlayBook runs TabletOS,
>>> which while built on qnx does not as of yet have binary compatibility
>>> with
>>> BB10. Our CEO has said BB10 for PlayBook is in development, but there
>>> have
>>> been no official announcements regarding a release.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Lorin Beer <lorin.beer.dev@gmail.com
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Don's question regarding a BB7 roadmap yesterday made me realize that
>>> we
>>>> don't have one. Concentrating on BB10/Playbook has caused us ignore
>>> BB7.
>>>> 
>>>> A little while ago, BB7 was discussed in terms of sending her off to
>>> the
>>>> farm/attic/(silicon afterlife). The decision was reached that we
>>> should
>>>> keep up support.
>>>> 
>>>> I believe BlackBerry's stance is that they are not interested in
>>>> maintaining the BB7 Cordova implementation. Ken, Bryan, jump in here
>>> and
>>>> correct me if I'm wrong.
>>>> 
>>>> There is a lot of work involved in getting BB7 to the 3.0.0 cli stage,
>>> and
>>>> if the plan is to drop support for the platform entirely within the
>>> next
>>> 6
>>>> months, I don't see that this work is justified.
>>>> 
>>>> Deprecation policy is 3 releases now, which means 3.1.0 is the
>>> soonest we
>>>> can drop it.
>>>> 
>>>> Given that :
>>>> - Brett on PhoneGap build has described the BB7 usage statistic as
>>> "noise"
>>>> - no new jira tickets are submitted for BB7 unless it's by our team
>>>> 
>>>> I propose that we :
>>>> 
>>>> 1. keep BB7 pre-cli maintenance mode regardless of how many releases
>>> it
>>>> sticks around for
>>>> 
>>>> 2. announce BB7 deprecation and drop BB7 before the 3.0.0 release
>>>> 
>>>> The reasoning for 2 is to not pollute the 3.0 release with legacy code
>>>> which is not CLI compliant. I realize that this contravenes our
>>> deprecation
>>>> policy, but I think the level of interest in BB7 may let us get away
>>> with
>>>> it.
>>>> 
>>>> - Lorin
>>>> 
>>> 
> 

Re: Sending BB7 to the farm

[Filip Maj <fi...@adobe.com>]

+1 sunsetting BB7

On 5/8/13 8:58 AM, "Don Coleman" <do...@gmail.com> wrote:

>I'd be happy to see BB7 go away.  It seems like 3.0 could drop support,
>especially if BlackBerry is concentrating on 10 and not releasing webworks
>updates.
>
>I have a client asking for support BB7 along with Android and iOS.  This
>probably means that I have a cordova-cli project and a separate BB7 build
>and keep BB7 on PhoneGap 2.x.
>
>
>On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Bryan Higgins
><bh...@blackberry.com>wrote:
>
>> It is fair to say that our team is focused solely on BB10. The WebWorks
>>SDK
>> for BBOS itself has no future planned releases.
>>
>> One point I should clear up is the new blackberry10 platform code we're
>> introducing does not cover PlayBook as well. The PlayBook runs TabletOS,
>> which while built on qnx does not as of yet have binary compatibility
>>with
>> BB10. Our CEO has said BB10 for PlayBook is in development, but there
>>have
>> been no official announcements regarding a release.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Lorin Beer <lorin.beer.dev@gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > Don's question regarding a BB7 roadmap yesterday made me realize that
>>we
>> > don't have one. Concentrating on BB10/Playbook has caused us ignore
>>BB7.
>> >
>> > A little while ago, BB7 was discussed in terms of sending her off to
>>the
>> > farm/attic/(silicon afterlife). The decision was reached that we
>>should
>> > keep up support.
>> >
>> > I believe BlackBerry's stance is that they are not interested in
>> > maintaining the BB7 Cordova implementation. Ken, Bryan, jump in here
>>and
>> > correct me if I'm wrong.
>> >
>> > There is a lot of work involved in getting BB7 to the 3.0.0 cli stage,
>> and
>> > if the plan is to drop support for the platform entirely within the
>>next
>> 6
>> > months, I don't see that this work is justified.
>> >
>> > Deprecation policy is 3 releases now, which means 3.1.0 is the
>>soonest we
>> > can drop it.
>> >
>> > Given that :
>> > - Brett on PhoneGap build has described the BB7 usage statistic as
>> "noise"
>> > - no new jira tickets are submitted for BB7 unless it's by our team
>> >
>> > I propose that we :
>> >
>> > 1. keep BB7 pre-cli maintenance mode regardless of how many releases
>>it
>> > sticks around for
>> >
>> > 2. announce BB7 deprecation and drop BB7 before the 3.0.0 release
>> >
>> > The reasoning for 2 is to not pollute the 3.0 release with legacy code
>> > which is not CLI compliant. I realize that this contravenes our
>> deprecation
>> > policy, but I think the level of interest in BB7 may let us get away
>>with
>> > it.
>> >
>> > - Lorin
>> >
>>

Re: Sending BB7 to the farm

[Don Coleman <do...@gmail.com>]

I'd be happy to see BB7 go away.  It seems like 3.0 could drop support,
especially if BlackBerry is concentrating on 10 and not releasing webworks
updates.

I have a client asking for support BB7 along with Android and iOS.  This
probably means that I have a cordova-cli project and a separate BB7 build
and keep BB7 on PhoneGap 2.x.


On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Bryan Higgins <bh...@blackberry.com>wrote:

> It is fair to say that our team is focused solely on BB10. The WebWorks SDK
> for BBOS itself has no future planned releases.
>
> One point I should clear up is the new blackberry10 platform code we're
> introducing does not cover PlayBook as well. The PlayBook runs TabletOS,
> which while built on qnx does not as of yet have binary compatibility with
> BB10. Our CEO has said BB10 for PlayBook is in development, but there have
> been no official announcements regarding a release.
>
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Lorin Beer <lorin.beer.dev@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Don's question regarding a BB7 roadmap yesterday made me realize that we
> > don't have one. Concentrating on BB10/Playbook has caused us ignore BB7.
> >
> > A little while ago, BB7 was discussed in terms of sending her off to the
> > farm/attic/(silicon afterlife). The decision was reached that we should
> > keep up support.
> >
> > I believe BlackBerry's stance is that they are not interested in
> > maintaining the BB7 Cordova implementation. Ken, Bryan, jump in here and
> > correct me if I'm wrong.
> >
> > There is a lot of work involved in getting BB7 to the 3.0.0 cli stage,
> and
> > if the plan is to drop support for the platform entirely within the next
> 6
> > months, I don't see that this work is justified.
> >
> > Deprecation policy is 3 releases now, which means 3.1.0 is the soonest we
> > can drop it.
> >
> > Given that :
> > - Brett on PhoneGap build has described the BB7 usage statistic as
> "noise"
> > - no new jira tickets are submitted for BB7 unless it's by our team
> >
> > I propose that we :
> >
> > 1. keep BB7 pre-cli maintenance mode regardless of how many releases it
> > sticks around for
> >
> > 2. announce BB7 deprecation and drop BB7 before the 3.0.0 release
> >
> > The reasoning for 2 is to not pollute the 3.0 release with legacy code
> > which is not CLI compliant. I realize that this contravenes our
> deprecation
> > policy, but I think the level of interest in BB7 may let us get away with
> > it.
> >
> > - Lorin
> >
>

Re: Sending BB7 to the farm

[Bryan Higgins <bh...@blackberry.com>]

It is fair to say that our team is focused solely on BB10. The WebWorks SDK
for BBOS itself has no future planned releases.

One point I should clear up is the new blackberry10 platform code we're
introducing does not cover PlayBook as well. The PlayBook runs TabletOS,
which while built on qnx does not as of yet have binary compatibility with
BB10. Our CEO has said BB10 for PlayBook is in development, but there have
been no official announcements regarding a release.


On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Lorin Beer <lo...@gmail.com>wrote:

> Don's question regarding a BB7 roadmap yesterday made me realize that we
> don't have one. Concentrating on BB10/Playbook has caused us ignore BB7.
>
> A little while ago, BB7 was discussed in terms of sending her off to the
> farm/attic/(silicon afterlife). The decision was reached that we should
> keep up support.
>
> I believe BlackBerry's stance is that they are not interested in
> maintaining the BB7 Cordova implementation. Ken, Bryan, jump in here and
> correct me if I'm wrong.
>
> There is a lot of work involved in getting BB7 to the 3.0.0 cli stage, and
> if the plan is to drop support for the platform entirely within the next 6
> months, I don't see that this work is justified.
>
> Deprecation policy is 3 releases now, which means 3.1.0 is the soonest we
> can drop it.
>
> Given that :
> - Brett on PhoneGap build has described the BB7 usage statistic as "noise"
> - no new jira tickets are submitted for BB7 unless it's by our team
>
> I propose that we :
>
> 1. keep BB7 pre-cli maintenance mode regardless of how many releases it
> sticks around for
>
> 2. announce BB7 deprecation and drop BB7 before the 3.0.0 release
>
> The reasoning for 2 is to not pollute the 3.0 release with legacy code
> which is not CLI compliant. I realize that this contravenes our deprecation
> policy, but I think the level of interest in BB7 may let us get away with
> it.
>
> - Lorin
>