Running the JMX Management Console inside eclipse

[Senaka Fernando <se...@gmail.com>]

Hi all,

Once you deploy the relevant plugin jars within eclipse, you can run the
Management UI within eclipse. I don't see any drawback of this compared to
running it as a separate application. After all, the IDE integration is an
added plus. You will then not require running a script to get the Management
UI working, but simply start eclipse.

Regards,
Senaka

Re: Running the JMX Management Console inside eclipse

[Senaka Fernando <se...@gmail.com>]

Hi Rob,

Well separate in the sense, all that you need is to drop the jar to where
you have the other eclipse plugins. And, the Management UI will work within
eclipse. Therefore, there's absolutely no work required. You can even
utilize the package of the stand-alone version to achieve this.

Regards,
Senaka

On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 10:36 PM, Robert Godfrey <ro...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> >>
> >> Certainly most people who I know who use the Management Console are
> >> unlikely to even realise that it is running on top of eclipse or what
> >> that means...
> >
> >
> > I'm not 100% sure on this statement. And, on a system that has eclipse,
> the
> > behaviour of the startup.jar can be undefined.
> >
> > However, I'm trying to put forth another viewpoint. What if someone likes
> to
> > run this inside eclipse? Should we stop him/her? And, having the
> guarantee
> > that it will not affect the non-eclipse user-base.
> >
>
> I am very happy with the idea of adding a separate bundle for use by
> people who already have eclipse; as long as we still provide the
> package which runs as a standalone...
>
> -- Rob
>

Re: Running the JMX Management Console inside eclipse

[Robert Godfrey <ro...@gmail.com>]

>>
>> Certainly most people who I know who use the Management Console are
>> unlikely to even realise that it is running on top of eclipse or what
>> that means...
>
>
> I'm not 100% sure on this statement. And, on a system that has eclipse, the
> behaviour of the startup.jar can be undefined.
>
> However, I'm trying to put forth another viewpoint. What if someone likes to
> run this inside eclipse? Should we stop him/her? And, having the guarantee
> that it will not affect the non-eclipse user-base.
>

I am very happy with the idea of adding a separate bundle for use by
people who already have eclipse; as long as we still provide the
package which runs as a standalone...

-- Rob

Re: Running the JMX Management Console inside eclipse

[Senaka Fernando <se...@gmail.com>]

Hi Marnie, Robert,

I think the main point is that for many users who are not developers
> and who won't be familiar with what eclipse is, it is useful to
> provide a package which can be installed and run without the need for
> further downloads/installations.


Yes, that point is safeguarded.

>
>
> Certainly most people who I know who use the Management Console are
> unlikely to even realise that it is running on top of eclipse or what
> that means...


I'm not 100% sure on this statement. And, on a system that has eclipse, the
behaviour of the startup.jar can be undefined.

However, I'm trying to put forth another viewpoint. What if someone likes to
run this inside eclipse? Should we stop him/her? And, having the guarantee
that it will not affect the non-eclipse user-base.

Regards,
Senaka


>
>
> -- Rob
>

Re: Running the JMX Management Console inside eclipse

[Robert Godfrey <ro...@gmail.com>]

2008/5/20 Senaka Fernando <se...@gmail.com>:
> Hi Marnie,
>
> I don't think it is going to be an issue, as the JMX Management UI runs in
> it's own perspective. Also, this does not require any additions to the
> bundle. All what you have got to do is to drop the jar in where the rest of
> the eclipse plugins are found.
>
> Regards,
> Senaka
>

I think the main point is that for many users who are not developers
and who won't be familiar with what eclipse is, it is useful to
provide a package which can be installed and run without the need for
further downloads/installations.

Certainly most people who I know who use the Management Console are
unlikely to even realise that it is running on top of eclipse or what
that means...

-- Rob

Re: Running the JMX Management Console inside eclipse

[Senaka Fernando <se...@gmail.com>]

Hi Marnie,

I don't think it is going to be an issue, as the JMX Management UI runs in
it's own perspective. Also, this does not require any additions to the
bundle. All what you have got to do is to drop the jar in where the rest of
the eclipse plugins are found.

Regards,
Senaka

On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 9:30 PM, Marnie McCormack <
marnie.mccormack@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Hi Senaka,
>
> I think this would make assumptions about what a user has installed on
> their
> machine which are possibly not helpful. The management console should run
> up
> without any extra install i.e. it comes with the packages it needs to run.
>
> Rgds,
> Marnie
>
>
> On 5/20/08, Senaka Fernando <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Once you deploy the relevant plugin jars within eclipse, you can run the
> > Management UI within eclipse. I don't see any drawback of this compared
> to
> > running it as a separate application. After all, the IDE integration is
> an
> > added plus. You will then not require running a script to get the
> > Management
> > UI working, but simply start eclipse.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Senaka
> >
>

Re: Running the JMX Management Console inside eclipse

[Marnie McCormack <ma...@googlemail.com>]

Hi Senaka,

I think this would make assumptions about what a user has installed on their
machine which are possibly not helpful. The management console should run up
without any extra install i.e. it comes with the packages it needs to run.

Rgds,
Marnie


On 5/20/08, Senaka Fernando <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Once you deploy the relevant plugin jars within eclipse, you can run the
> Management UI within eclipse. I don't see any drawback of this compared to
> running it as a separate application. After all, the IDE integration is an
> added plus. You will then not require running a script to get the
> Management
> UI working, but simply start eclipse.
>
> Regards,
> Senaka
>