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Single page wicket app
We are creating a large single page wicket based application using tabs and
ajax to replace portions of the page when needed.
Does anyone know of any large single page wicket apps out there, or any
issues we need to address?
thanks!
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Re: Single page wicket app
Posted by Martin Grigorov <mg...@apache.org>.
Hi,
I think the biggest concern here is the back button support.
What are your requirements about this ?
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 6:06 PM, bobj <bo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> We are creating a large single page wicket based application using tabs and
> ajax to replace portions of the page when needed.
>
> Does anyone know of any large single page wicket apps out there, or any
> issues we need to address?
>
> thanks!
>
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Re: Single page wicket app
Posted by Alec Swan <al...@gmail.com>.
Our app uses one-page-ajax-panel-swap approach and I ran into an issue
with versioned pages described here
http://markmail.org/thread/q3ewso5dnf2wjsol
Alec
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Martin Grigorov <mg...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 6:36 PM, bobj <bo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Thanks for the replies!
>>
>> By large I mean lots of tabs and panels, not lots of users say 100s not
>> 1000s.
>> By single page app, I mean there is only one page and the user never
>> navigates to another page. Panels come and go as required.
>>
>> I do not expect to support the back button, with ajax and panel
>> replacements.
>>
>> Thanks for the link on session state.
>>
>> Since the users will stay on a single page for a long time, and never go to
>> a different page, do I need to be concerned with wicket not
>> saving/serializing the page state?
>
> The page is serialized in Ajax request!
> The difference with non-Ajax is that Wicket wont create a new page id
> for the new state, so the new bytes will override the old ones. That's
> why there is no history. You always have the latest state.
>
>>
>> thanks,
>> Bobj
>>
>>
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Re: Single page wicket app
Posted by Martin Grigorov <mg...@apache.org>.
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 6:36 PM, bobj <bo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the replies!
>
> By large I mean lots of tabs and panels, not lots of users say 100s not
> 1000s.
> By single page app, I mean there is only one page and the user never
> navigates to another page. Panels come and go as required.
>
> I do not expect to support the back button, with ajax and panel
> replacements.
>
> Thanks for the link on session state.
>
> Since the users will stay on a single page for a long time, and never go to
> a different page, do I need to be concerned with wicket not
> saving/serializing the page state?
The page is serialized in Ajax request!
The difference with non-Ajax is that Wicket wont create a new page id
for the new state, so the new bytes will override the old ones. That's
why there is no history. You always have the latest state.
>
> thanks,
> Bobj
>
>
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Re: Single page wicket app
Posted by Martin Grigorov <mg...@apache.org>.
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 4:12 PM, armhold <ar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ajax calls do save the page state. I think the real issue for you is
> that if users have the page open but idle for a long time (longer than
> session expiration... 30 mins?) the Ajax links won't work for them
> when they decide to start using the page again.
If the page is mounted with #mountPage()/MountedMapper then clicking
on an AjaxLink that leads to an expired page will create a new
instance of the same type and will *not* execute #onClick() for that
link (because the link is gone with the first page).
But the user will be able to proceed with his work.
>
> You could perhaps use a AjaxSelfUpdatingTimerBehavior to keep the
> session open, if you can afford to have a session running for every
> user with an open tab.
>
>> Since the users will stay on a single page for a long time, and
>> never go to a different page, do I need to be concerned with wicket
>> not saving/serializing the page state?
>
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Re: Single page wicket app
Posted by armhold <ar...@gmail.com>.
Ajax calls do save the page state. I think the real issue for you is
that if users have the page open but idle for a long time (longer than
session expiration... 30 mins?) the Ajax links won't work for them
when they decide to start using the page again.
You could perhaps use a AjaxSelfUpdatingTimerBehavior to keep the
session open, if you can afford to have a session running for every
user with an open tab.
> Since the users will stay on a single page for a long time, and
> never go to a different page, do I need to be concerned with wicket
> not saving/serializing the page state?
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Re: Single page wicket app
Posted by Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 6:36 PM, bobj <bo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Since the users will stay on a single page for a long time, and never go to
> a different page, do I need to be concerned with wicket not
> saving/serializing the page state?
It would be a drag for users that they would need to build up the
state (i.e. navigate through all panels and such) when you restart the
server (for any reason: code change, configuration change etc).
So in my opinion you should care about that stuff.
It is also rather difficult for people to bookmark parts of your
application (although you can build your own custom in-app
bookmarks/favorites for that) when you create a single page app.
I am not yet a big fan of building single page apps but also don't
necessarily like the 1000+ page apps either.
Martijn
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Re: Single page wicket app
Posted by bobj <bo...@yahoo.com>.
Thanks for the replies!
By large I mean lots of tabs and panels, not lots of users say 100s not
1000s.
By single page app, I mean there is only one page and the user never
navigates to another page. Panels come and go as required.
I do not expect to support the back button, with ajax and panel
replacements.
Thanks for the link on session state.
Since the users will stay on a single page for a long time, and never go to
a different page, do I need to be concerned with wicket not
saving/serializing the page state?
thanks,
Bobj
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Re: Single page wicket app
Posted by Martin Grigorov <mg...@apache.org>.
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 9:03 PM, W Mazur <wl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I would add Wicket Session size.
> See: http://www.small-improvements.com/blog/technical/tuning-wicket-session-size
Can you be more specific ?
How single-page app is different in this respect to a normal app ?
>
> Regards
>
> 2012/5/15 Jürgen Lind <Ju...@iteratec.de>:
>> What do you mean by "large"? Many users or many dialogs/components? I have
>> developed
>> three more or less (which means that a new page was only needed when
>> basically the entire
>> structure changed - which occured seldomly) single page apps with wicket and
>> I have not
>> run into real problems. But as Martin mentiones in the next post, the
>> Back-Bitton support
>> is mostly gone...
>>
>> J.
>>
>>
>> On 15.05.2012 18:06, bobj wrote:
>>>
>>> We are creating a large single page wicket based application using tabs
>>> and
>>> ajax to replace portions of the page when needed.
>>>
>>> Does anyone know of any large single page wicket apps out there, or any
>>> issues we need to address?
>>>
>>> thanks!
>>>
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Re: Single page wicket app
Posted by W Mazur <wl...@gmail.com>.
I would add Wicket Session size.
See: http://www.small-improvements.com/blog/technical/tuning-wicket-session-size
Regards
2012/5/15 Jürgen Lind <Ju...@iteratec.de>:
> What do you mean by "large"? Many users or many dialogs/components? I have
> developed
> three more or less (which means that a new page was only needed when
> basically the entire
> structure changed - which occured seldomly) single page apps with wicket and
> I have not
> run into real problems. But as Martin mentiones in the next post, the
> Back-Bitton support
> is mostly gone...
>
> J.
>
>
> On 15.05.2012 18:06, bobj wrote:
>>
>> We are creating a large single page wicket based application using tabs
>> and
>> ajax to replace portions of the page when needed.
>>
>> Does anyone know of any large single page wicket apps out there, or any
>> issues we need to address?
>>
>> thanks!
>>
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Re: Single page wicket app
Posted by Jürgen Lind <Ju...@iteratec.de>.
What do you mean by "large"? Many users or many dialogs/components? I have developed
three more or less (which means that a new page was only needed when basically the entire
structure changed - which occured seldomly) single page apps with wicket and I have not
run into real problems. But as Martin mentiones in the next post, the Back-Bitton support
is mostly gone...
J.
On 15.05.2012 18:06, bobj wrote:
> We are creating a large single page wicket based application using tabs and
> ajax to replace portions of the page when needed.
>
> Does anyone know of any large single page wicket apps out there, or any
> issues we need to address?
>
> thanks!
>
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