Re: [exec][email] Java 7 to 8

[Siegfried Goeschl <si...@gmail.com>]

Hi folks,

I probably missed most of the fun here (overworked) but IMHO it makes sense to update both projects to JDK 8

A related question - someone volunteering as release manager? Having said that I can lend a hand for the code changes :)

Thanks in advance

Siegfried Goeschl


> On 29.03.2021, at 02:38, Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Calling it technical debt is pretty useful, too, because just like
> monetary debt, it can be useful to accumulate some in the short term
> for productive reasons, but if you don't pay it off and manage it
> properly, the interest payments begin to dominate expenses. Interest
> on technical debt comes in the form of what would normally be a five
> minute effort taking five months and three separate line managers to
> sign off on the budget to have it maybe deployed to production after
> the last 20 fires have been sufficiently extinguished. :)
> 
> On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 at 17:09, Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> WRT rant:
>> We call that "technical debt" and to move the needle on that developers are
>> (sometimes or always depending on you company) asked to explain the
>> "business value" for spending the time (IOW the money) to do so. At which
>> point said developers roll their eyes, pull their remaining hair out, or
>> both, before being asked to go another "death march"...
>> 
>> Gary
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Mar 28, 2021, 16:18 Thomas Schapitz <ta...@online.de> wrote:
>> 
>>>> If they are still on Java 6 or 7, then updating libraries might not be a
>>>> priority.
>>>> 
>>>> Gary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I second that.
>>> 
>>> If an organization is still reluctant to upgrade at least to JDK 8, its
>>> rather unlikely that the same organization is urgently requiring to update
>>> to any latest commons release.
>>> 
>>> And if they do in fact urgently require functionality, that is only
>>> available in a commons lib requiring JDK 8, it would be a nice incentive
>>> for finally considering an to upgrade at least to JDK 8.
>>> 
>>> To me, Apache, especially commons, does a terrific job guarding BC, but in
>>> the end, trying to keep this up for the eternity will overstretch the
>>> communities resources, and it is breaking the stride.
>>> 
>>> <RANT>On a more personal note: being 20+ years in the industry, I'm really
>>> fed up with organizations wanting me to build the newest, shiniest,
>>> fanciest crystal palaces of applications, while at the same time
>>> restricting  me to use the tools from the stone age to achieve that,  just
>>> because some oaf up there needs the money to upgrade the gadgets in his
>>> super yacht. You know, there is something wrong, when the model of the
>>> CEO's car is changing more frequently than the versions of your tools.
>>> 
>>> Basically, an organization showing this behaviour is dumping their
>>> leniency as a debt into the community, so complaints about that shouldn't
>>> be taken too serious.
>>> </RANT>
>>> 
>>> 
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