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Posted to dev@velocity.apache.org by Will Glass-Husain <wg...@forio.com> on 2006/09/26 02:28:55 UTC
projects under TLP umbrella
Starting a new thread...
First, project characteristics. I'd argue that a good project for the
TLP would have
--> developers who are part of the Velocity community (either active
on the mailing lists, and better yet those who have contributed
patches or bug reprots)
--> strong or growing community of its own
--> the integration of Velocity is a key part of the project
Second... project content... What are some typical kinds of projects
that might fall under the TLP umbrella, and why?
--> A way of making Velocity accessible for new use? (e.g. Texen,
Anakia, DVSL, a JSP tag library based on Velocity expressions)
--> Port of Velocity to another platform? (e.g. nVelocity)
--> Web framework closely tied to Velocity (Click, Turbine?)
Not saying all of the above are candidates. But would they fit our
desired umbrella?
WILL
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Re: projects under TLP umbrella
Posted by Nathan Bubna <nb...@gmail.com>.
On 9/25/06, Will Glass-Husain <wg...@forio.com> wrote:
> Starting a new thread...
>
> First, project characteristics. I'd argue that a good project for the
> TLP would have
>
> --> developers who are part of the Velocity community (either active
> on the mailing lists, and better yet those who have contributed
> patches or bug reprots)
>
> --> strong or growing community of its own
>
> --> the integration of Velocity is a key part of the project
i liked the way Geir said it, that it should only work with Velocity
(i.e. not function w/o Velocity. If Velocity is optional or
tangential, then it is unlikely the projects community will be as
invested in Velocity's future.
> Second... project content... What are some typical kinds of projects
> that might fall under the TLP umbrella, and why?
>
> --> A way of making Velocity accessible for new use? (e.g. Texen,
> Anakia, DVSL, a JSP tag library based on Velocity expressions)
definitely. and on the subject, we probably should make Texen and
Anakia fully qualified subprojects, rather than bundle them with the
core.
> --> Port of Velocity to another platform? (e.g. nVelocity)
that's a tricky one...
> --> Web framework closely tied to Velocity (Click, Turbine?)
Velocity is optional for Turbine users, so i don't see that as a fit.
> Not saying all of the above are candidates. But would they fit our
> desired umbrella?
>
> WILL
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Re: projects under TLP umbrella
Posted by Malcolm Edgar <ma...@gmail.com>.
+1 for Click as a Web framework
Then I can start work on my evil reverse take over plan, heh, heh
heh.. Ops did I say that out loud.
On 9/26/06, Will Glass-Husain <wg...@forio.com> wrote:
> Starting a new thread...
>
> First, project characteristics. I'd argue that a good project for the
> TLP would have
>
> --> developers who are part of the Velocity community (either active
> on the mailing lists, and better yet those who have contributed
> patches or bug reprots)
>
> --> strong or growing community of its own
>
> --> the integration of Velocity is a key part of the project
>
> Second... project content... What are some typical kinds of projects
> that might fall under the TLP umbrella, and why?
>
> --> A way of making Velocity accessible for new use? (e.g. Texen,
> Anakia, DVSL, a JSP tag library based on Velocity expressions)
>
> --> Port of Velocity to another platform? (e.g. nVelocity)
>
> --> Web framework closely tied to Velocity (Click, Turbine?)
>
> Not saying all of the above are candidates. But would they fit our
> desired umbrella?
>
> WILL
>
> --
> Forio Business Simulations
>
> Will Glass-Husain
> wglass@forio.com
> www.forio.com
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Re: projects under TLP umbrella
Posted by Will Glass-Husain <wg...@forio.com>.
I agree with Geir about the advantages of working with nVelocity.
While there wouldn't be a lot of cross-code collaboration (might be
wrong) it'd be great to work on design and conceptual issues, make
sure that templates could be moved back and forth.
WILL
On 9/27/06, Geir Magnusson Jr <ge...@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>
> Henning P. Schmiedehausen wrote:
> > "Will Glass-Husain" <wg...@forio.com> writes:
> >
> >> Starting a new thread...
> >
> >> First, project characteristics. I'd argue that a good project for the
> >> TLP would have
> >
> >> --> developers who are part of the Velocity community (either active
> >> on the mailing lists, and better yet those who have contributed
> >> patches or bug reprots)
> >
> > Yes. There might also be some discussion whether we will start new
> > Velocity projects inside the TLP at all.
> >
>
> I don't see any problem with that, as long as it's not unrelated, like
> Maven was inside Turbine.
>
> >> --> strong or growing community of its own
> >
> > +1
> >
> >> --> the integration of Velocity is a key part of the project
> >
> > +1
> >
> >> Second... project content... What are some typical kinds of projects
> >> that might fall under the TLP umbrella, and why?
> >
> >> --> A way of making Velocity accessible for new use? (e.g. Texen,
> >> Anakia, DVSL, a JSP tag library based on Velocity expressions)
> >
> > Not sure here.
>
> Why?
>
> >
> >> --> Port of Velocity to another platform? (e.g. nVelocity)
> >
> > That is the usual Language/Tool clash. If there were a (hypothetical)
> > Apache .NET TLP, would nVelocity go there or to us?
>
> Us. I'd fight against a .NET TLP. Putting that aside, we'd want
> nVelocity to be in lock-step with us as much as possible, so things like
> configuration files and templates were portable.
>
> >
> >> --> Web framework closely tied to Velocity (Click, Turbine?)
> >
> > Click: yes. Turbine: no.
> >
> > Reason: Click is built intimately around Velocity. Turbine just
> > happens to treat Velocity as a first class citizen but there is no
> > reason why you couldn't use any other templating solution or JSP with
> > Turbine. And the templating is just a very small part of Turbine at
> > all.
> >
> >> Not saying all of the above are candidates. But would they fit our
> >> desired umbrella?
> >
> > My € 0.02 :-)
> >
> > Best regards
> > Henning
> >
>
>
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Re: projects under TLP umbrella
Posted by Geir Magnusson Jr <ge...@pobox.com>.
Henning P. Schmiedehausen wrote:
> "Will Glass-Husain" <wg...@forio.com> writes:
>
>> Starting a new thread...
>
>> First, project characteristics. I'd argue that a good project for the
>> TLP would have
>
>> --> developers who are part of the Velocity community (either active
>> on the mailing lists, and better yet those who have contributed
>> patches or bug reprots)
>
> Yes. There might also be some discussion whether we will start new
> Velocity projects inside the TLP at all.
>
I don't see any problem with that, as long as it's not unrelated, like
Maven was inside Turbine.
>> --> strong or growing community of its own
>
> +1
>
>> --> the integration of Velocity is a key part of the project
>
> +1
>
>> Second... project content... What are some typical kinds of projects
>> that might fall under the TLP umbrella, and why?
>
>> --> A way of making Velocity accessible for new use? (e.g. Texen,
>> Anakia, DVSL, a JSP tag library based on Velocity expressions)
>
> Not sure here.
Why?
>
>> --> Port of Velocity to another platform? (e.g. nVelocity)
>
> That is the usual Language/Tool clash. If there were a (hypothetical)
> Apache .NET TLP, would nVelocity go there or to us?
Us. I'd fight against a .NET TLP. Putting that aside, we'd want
nVelocity to be in lock-step with us as much as possible, so things like
configuration files and templates were portable.
>
>> --> Web framework closely tied to Velocity (Click, Turbine?)
>
> Click: yes. Turbine: no.
>
> Reason: Click is built intimately around Velocity. Turbine just
> happens to treat Velocity as a first class citizen but there is no
> reason why you couldn't use any other templating solution or JSP with
> Turbine. And the templating is just a very small part of Turbine at
> all.
>
>> Not saying all of the above are candidates. But would they fit our
>> desired umbrella?
>
> My € 0.02 :-)
>
> Best regards
> Henning
>
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Re: projects under TLP umbrella
Posted by "Henning P. Schmiedehausen" <hp...@intermeta.de>.
"Will Glass-Husain" <wg...@forio.com> writes:
>Starting a new thread...
>First, project characteristics. I'd argue that a good project for the
>TLP would have
>--> developers who are part of the Velocity community (either active
>on the mailing lists, and better yet those who have contributed
>patches or bug reprots)
Yes. There might also be some discussion whether we will start new
Velocity projects inside the TLP at all.
>--> strong or growing community of its own
+1
>--> the integration of Velocity is a key part of the project
+1
>Second... project content... What are some typical kinds of projects
>that might fall under the TLP umbrella, and why?
>--> A way of making Velocity accessible for new use? (e.g. Texen,
>Anakia, DVSL, a JSP tag library based on Velocity expressions)
Not sure here.
>--> Port of Velocity to another platform? (e.g. nVelocity)
That is the usual Language/Tool clash. If there were a (hypothetical)
Apache .NET TLP, would nVelocity go there or to us?
>--> Web framework closely tied to Velocity (Click, Turbine?)
Click: yes. Turbine: no.
Reason: Click is built intimately around Velocity. Turbine just
happens to treat Velocity as a first class citizen but there is no
reason why you couldn't use any other templating solution or JSP with
Turbine. And the templating is just a very small part of Turbine at
all.
>Not saying all of the above are candidates. But would they fit our
>desired umbrella?
My € 0.02 :-)
Best regards
Henning
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Re: projects under TLP umbrella
Posted by Geir Magnusson Jr <ge...@pobox.com>.
Will Glass-Husain wrote:
> Starting a new thread...
>
> First, project characteristics. I'd argue that a good project for the
> TLP would have
>
> --> developers who are part of the Velocity community (either active
> on the mailing lists, and better yet those who have contributed
> patches or bug reprots)
>
> --> strong or growing community of its own
>
> --> the integration of Velocity is a key part of the project
Ok, so far.
>
> Second... project content... What are some typical kinds of projects
> that might fall under the TLP umbrella, and why?
>
> --> A way of making Velocity accessible for new use? (e.g. Texen,
> Anakia, DVSL, a JSP tag library based on Velocity expressions)
Yes - in all of these cases, velocity is fundamental.
>
> --> Port of Velocity to another platform? (e.g. nVelocity)
yes
>
> --> Web framework closely tied to Velocity (Click, Turbine?)
>
No
> Not saying all of the above are candidates. But would they fit our
> desired umbrella?
>
> WILL
>
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