We may lose Confluence

[Martin Cooper <ma...@apache.org>]

Folks,

Due to a long-standing issue with Confluence, there are discussions going on
that could lead to us losing Confluence as a resource, both for generating
our web site and for our wiki. This would be really bad for Struts, which is
why I'm bringing this up now.

The core issue is that we are on a very old version of Confluence, and there
are serious scaling issues with that version. The infrastructure team very
much wants to upgrade to the latest version of Confluence, but the issue
there is that the Auto Export Plugin does not work with more recent versions
than the one we are running. This is due to some structural changes that
were made in Confluence, and the Auto Export Plugin not having been updated
for those changes.

The Auto Export Plugin is open source, but for a variety of reasons, the
resources have not been brought to bear to update the Auto Export Plugin
such that we can deploy it on a newer version of Confluence.

If you care about our continued ability to use Confluence to generate our
web site, and our wiki, please consider getting involved in at least the
discussions on the infrastructure mailing lists. If you think you might be
able to help with updating the plugin itself, your help would be very much
appreciated. Again, joining the discussion on the infrastructure list would
be the place to start.

Personally, it horrifies me to think of how much work would be involved in
migrating all of our content to a different wiki, let alone compensating for
the loss of various Confluence plugins and macros (e.g. snippets).

As mentioned, the Auto Export Plugin is open source, and lives here:

http://code.google.com/p/couldit-autoexport/ious

Your thoughts and comments can be brought up on the
infrastructure@a.omailing list.

--
Martin Cooper

Re: We may lose Confluence

[Don Brown <mr...@twdata.org>]

If it hasn't been linked to already, see
https://tracker.adaptavist.com/browse/GSE-1590

Don

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Martin Cooper <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> Folks,
>
> Due to a long-standing issue with Confluence, there are discussions going on
> that could lead to us losing Confluence as a resource, both for generating
> our web site and for our wiki. This would be really bad for Struts, which is
> why I'm bringing this up now.
>
> The core issue is that we are on a very old version of Confluence, and there
> are serious scaling issues with that version. The infrastructure team very
> much wants to upgrade to the latest version of Confluence, but the issue
> there is that the Auto Export Plugin does not work with more recent versions
> than the one we are running. This is due to some structural changes that
> were made in Confluence, and the Auto Export Plugin not having been updated
> for those changes.
>
> The Auto Export Plugin is open source, but for a variety of reasons, the
> resources have not been brought to bear to update the Auto Export Plugin
> such that we can deploy it on a newer version of Confluence.
>
> If you care about our continued ability to use Confluence to generate our
> web site, and our wiki, please consider getting involved in at least the
> discussions on the infrastructure mailing lists. If you think you might be
> able to help with updating the plugin itself, your help would be very much
> appreciated. Again, joining the discussion on the infrastructure list would
> be the place to start.
>
> Personally, it horrifies me to think of how much work would be involved in
> migrating all of our content to a different wiki, let alone compensating for
> the loss of various Confluence plugins and macros (e.g. snippets).
>
> As mentioned, the Auto Export Plugin is open source, and lives here:
>
> http://code.google.com/p/couldit-autoexport/ious
>
> Your thoughts and comments can be brought up on the
> infrastructure@a.omailing list.
>
> --
> Martin Cooper
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Re: We may lose Confluence

[Musachy Barroso <mu...@gmail.com>]

ok the xml export is the bad one (revision information and a lot of
stuff is exported). The html export is not that bad, so we could use
that until we have a better solution, it would be a manual step in the
release process.

musachy

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Musachy Barroso <mu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am playing with "space export", but that thing is slower than windows 95.
>
> musachy
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Rene Gielen <gi...@it-neering.net> wrote:
>> Since we have tons of content, combined with snippets and what not, losing
>> confluence should not be an option. I think looking how to come over this
>> issue - maybe XML export does the trick, or even working on the old plugin -
>> should be the way to go. And maybe our historically good connections to the
>> Atlassian guys could help - Don?
>>
>> If we don't have a sandbox/test instance available at Apache, I could
>> provide one since I bought one of the 5$ / 5 users license from the
>> Atlassian charity event a few weeks ago. But I'm sure that the Infra guys
>> could help here ...
>>
>> Musachy Barroso schrieb:
>>>
>>> Is there some sort of "test confluence instance", so we can play with
>>> the export plugin? The plugin wiki also mentions some perl script
>>> written by the folks at Codehaus, which does a similar job, but I
>>> can't find that anywhere.
>>>
>>> musachy
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Musachy Barroso <mu...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Actually I take it back, we dont have many people that like to spend
>>>> time on the wiki (I am one of them), so yeah this would be a problem.
>>>>
>>>> musachy
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Wendy Smoak <ws...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Musachy Barroso <mu...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If it comes down to the worst (we lose Confluence), what other wiki
>>>>>> would we use? We could always try to come up with some script to try
>>>>>> to port the pages.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> //this might be a good chance to re-organize and clean up the
>>>>>> documentation
>>>>>
>>>>> My guess is MoinMoin, which is already running at Apache. (It's what
>>>>> we used to use before Confluence.)
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Wendy
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
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>> Saarstrasse 100, 52062 Aachen, Germany
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Re: We may lose Confluence

[Don Brown <mr...@twdata.org>]

Yes, get the auto-export plugin working with the latest version of
Confluence, then we can upgrade like normal.

Don

On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 6:04 AM, Dave Newton <ne...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Martin Cooper wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 6:31 AM, Musachy Barroso <mu...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am playing with "space export", but that thing is slower than windows
>>> 95.
>>
>>
>> This is, in part, due to the old version of Confluence that we are
>> running.
>> Infra wants to upgrade, but can't because of the use of the Auto Export
>> Plugin. That plugin has been the sticking point for a *very* long time
>> now,
>> hence no upgrade, hence very, very poor performance in some areas. (One of
>> the most-affected areas is administration, which is very painful right now
>> and won't improve until we can upgrade, hence infra's "fix it or lose it"
>> approach right now.)
>
> is this something that could be resolved by creating an updated export
> plugin?
>
> Dave
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Re: We may lose Confluence

[Martin Cooper <ma...@apache.org>]

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Dave Newton <ne...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Martin Cooper wrote:
>
>> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 6:31 AM, Musachy Barroso <mu...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  I am playing with "space export", but that thing is slower than windows
>>> 95.
>>>
>>
>>
>> This is, in part, due to the old version of Confluence that we are
>> running.
>> Infra wants to upgrade, but can't because of the use of the Auto Export
>> Plugin. That plugin has been the sticking point for a *very* long time
>> now,
>> hence no upgrade, hence very, very poor performance in some areas. (One of
>> the most-affected areas is administration, which is very painful right now
>> and won't improve until we can upgrade, hence infra's "fix it or lose it"
>> approach right now.)
>>
>
> is this something that could be resolved by creating an updated export
> plugin?


By updating the Auto Export Plugin to account for the changes in Confluence,
yes. This is not related to the way in which spaces are (manually) exported
to XML or PDF, though.

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Re: We may lose Confluence

[Dave Newton <ne...@yahoo.com>]

Martin Cooper wrote:
> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 6:31 AM, Musachy Barroso <mu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I am playing with "space export", but that thing is slower than windows 95.
> 
> 
> This is, in part, due to the old version of Confluence that we are running.
> Infra wants to upgrade, but can't because of the use of the Auto Export
> Plugin. That plugin has been the sticking point for a *very* long time now,
> hence no upgrade, hence very, very poor performance in some areas. (One of
> the most-affected areas is administration, which is very painful right now
> and won't improve until we can upgrade, hence infra's "fix it or lose it"
> approach right now.)

is this something that could be resolved by creating an updated export 
plugin?

Dave

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Re: We may lose Confluence

[Martin Cooper <ma...@apache.org>]

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 6:31 AM, Musachy Barroso <mu...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I am playing with "space export", but that thing is slower than windows 95.


This is, in part, due to the old version of Confluence that we are running.
Infra wants to upgrade, but can't because of the use of the Auto Export
Plugin. That plugin has been the sticking point for a *very* long time now,
hence no upgrade, hence very, very poor performance in some areas. (One of
the most-affected areas is administration, which is very painful right now
and won't improve until we can upgrade, hence infra's "fix it or lose it"
approach right now.)

--
Martin Cooper



>
> musachy
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Rene Gielen <gi...@it-neering.net>
> wrote:
> > Since we have tons of content, combined with snippets and what not,
> losing
> > confluence should not be an option. I think looking how to come over this
> > issue - maybe XML export does the trick, or even working on the old
> plugin -
> > should be the way to go. And maybe our historically good connections to
> the
> > Atlassian guys could help - Don?
> >
> > If we don't have a sandbox/test instance available at Apache, I could
> > provide one since I bought one of the 5$ / 5 users license from the
> > Atlassian charity event a few weeks ago. But I'm sure that the Infra guys
> > could help here ...
> >
> > Musachy Barroso schrieb:
> >>
> >> Is there some sort of "test confluence instance", so we can play with
> >> the export plugin? The plugin wiki also mentions some perl script
> >> written by the folks at Codehaus, which does a similar job, but I
> >> can't find that anywhere.
> >>
> >> musachy
> >>
> >> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Musachy Barroso <mu...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Actually I take it back, we dont have many people that like to spend
> >>> time on the wiki (I am one of them), so yeah this would be a problem.
> >>>
> >>> musachy
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Wendy Smoak <ws...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Musachy Barroso <mu...@gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If it comes down to the worst (we lose Confluence), what other wiki
> >>>>> would we use? We could always try to come up with some script to try
> >>>>> to port the pages.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> //this might be a good chance to re-organize and clean up the
> >>>>> documentation
> >>>>
> >>>> My guess is MoinMoin, which is already running at Apache. (It's what
> >>>> we used to use before Confluence.)
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Wendy
> >>>>
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> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
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> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Rene Gielen
> > IT-Neering.net
> > Saarstrasse 100, 52062 Aachen, Germany
> > Line: +49-(0)241-4010770
> > Cell: +49-(0)177-3194448
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Re: We may lose Confluence

[Martin Cooper <ma...@apache.org>]

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 6:36 AM, Musachy Barroso <mu...@gmail.com> wrote:

> another thing, what generates the content under this?
> http://cwiki.apache.org/WW/ , is it the export plugin?


Dunno. You'd need to ask someone on infra, or at least someone who has
access to the box.

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>
> musachy
>
> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Musachy Barroso <mu...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I am playing with "space export", but that thing is slower than windows
> 95.
> >
> > musachy
> >
> > On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Rene Gielen <gi...@it-neering.net>
> wrote:
> >> Since we have tons of content, combined with snippets and what not,
> losing
> >> confluence should not be an option. I think looking how to come over
> this
> >> issue - maybe XML export does the trick, or even working on the old
> plugin -
> >> should be the way to go. And maybe our historically good connections to
> the
> >> Atlassian guys could help - Don?
> >>
> >> If we don't have a sandbox/test instance available at Apache, I could
> >> provide one since I bought one of the 5$ / 5 users license from the
> >> Atlassian charity event a few weeks ago. But I'm sure that the Infra
> guys
> >> could help here ...
> >>
> >> Musachy Barroso schrieb:
> >>>
> >>> Is there some sort of "test confluence instance", so we can play with
> >>> the export plugin? The plugin wiki also mentions some perl script
> >>> written by the folks at Codehaus, which does a similar job, but I
> >>> can't find that anywhere.
> >>>
> >>> musachy
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Musachy Barroso <mu...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Actually I take it back, we dont have many people that like to spend
> >>>> time on the wiki (I am one of them), so yeah this would be a problem.
> >>>>
> >>>> musachy
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Wendy Smoak <ws...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Musachy Barroso <musachy@gmail.com
> >
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If it comes down to the worst (we lose Confluence), what other wiki
> >>>>>> would we use? We could always try to come up with some script to try
> >>>>>> to port the pages.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> //this might be a good chance to re-organize and clean up the
> >>>>>> documentation
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My guess is MoinMoin, which is already running at Apache. (It's what
> >>>>> we used to use before Confluence.)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Wendy
> >>>>>
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> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> "Hey you! Would you help me to carry the stone?" Pink Floyd
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Rene Gielen
> >> IT-Neering.net
> >> Saarstrasse 100, 52062 Aachen, Germany
> >> Line: +49-(0)241-4010770
> >> Cell: +49-(0)177-3194448
> >> mailto:rg@it-neering.net
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Re: We may lose Confluence

[Don Brown <mr...@twdata.org>]

Yes, then the files are rsynced to our regular www directory.

Don

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 11:36 PM, Musachy Barroso <mu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> another thing, what generates the content under this?
> http://cwiki.apache.org/WW/ , is it the export plugin?
>
> musachy
>
> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Musachy Barroso <mu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I am playing with "space export", but that thing is slower than windows 95.
>>
>> musachy
>>
>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Rene Gielen <gi...@it-neering.net> wrote:
>>> Since we have tons of content, combined with snippets and what not, losing
>>> confluence should not be an option. I think looking how to come over this
>>> issue - maybe XML export does the trick, or even working on the old plugin -
>>> should be the way to go. And maybe our historically good connections to the
>>> Atlassian guys could help - Don?
>>>
>>> If we don't have a sandbox/test instance available at Apache, I could
>>> provide one since I bought one of the 5$ / 5 users license from the
>>> Atlassian charity event a few weeks ago. But I'm sure that the Infra guys
>>> could help here ...
>>>
>>> Musachy Barroso schrieb:
>>>>
>>>> Is there some sort of "test confluence instance", so we can play with
>>>> the export plugin? The plugin wiki also mentions some perl script
>>>> written by the folks at Codehaus, which does a similar job, but I
>>>> can't find that anywhere.
>>>>
>>>> musachy
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Musachy Barroso <mu...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually I take it back, we dont have many people that like to spend
>>>>> time on the wiki (I am one of them), so yeah this would be a problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> musachy
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Wendy Smoak <ws...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Musachy Barroso <mu...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If it comes down to the worst (we lose Confluence), what other wiki
>>>>>>> would we use? We could always try to come up with some script to try
>>>>>>> to port the pages.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> //this might be a good chance to re-organize and clean up the
>>>>>>> documentation
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My guess is MoinMoin, which is already running at Apache. (It's what
>>>>>> we used to use before Confluence.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Wendy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@struts.apache.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Rene Gielen
>>> IT-Neering.net
>>> Saarstrasse 100, 52062 Aachen, Germany
>>> Line: +49-(0)241-4010770
>>> Cell: +49-(0)177-3194448
>>> mailto:rg@it-neering.net
>>>
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Re: We may lose Confluence

[Musachy Barroso <mu...@gmail.com>]

another thing, what generates the content under this?
http://cwiki.apache.org/WW/ , is it the export plugin?

musachy

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Musachy Barroso <mu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am playing with "space export", but that thing is slower than windows 95.
>
> musachy
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Rene Gielen <gi...@it-neering.net> wrote:
>> Since we have tons of content, combined with snippets and what not, losing
>> confluence should not be an option. I think looking how to come over this
>> issue - maybe XML export does the trick, or even working on the old plugin -
>> should be the way to go. And maybe our historically good connections to the
>> Atlassian guys could help - Don?
>>
>> If we don't have a sandbox/test instance available at Apache, I could
>> provide one since I bought one of the 5$ / 5 users license from the
>> Atlassian charity event a few weeks ago. But I'm sure that the Infra guys
>> could help here ...
>>
>> Musachy Barroso schrieb:
>>>
>>> Is there some sort of "test confluence instance", so we can play with
>>> the export plugin? The plugin wiki also mentions some perl script
>>> written by the folks at Codehaus, which does a similar job, but I
>>> can't find that anywhere.
>>>
>>> musachy
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Musachy Barroso <mu...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Actually I take it back, we dont have many people that like to spend
>>>> time on the wiki (I am one of them), so yeah this would be a problem.
>>>>
>>>> musachy
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Wendy Smoak <ws...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Musachy Barroso <mu...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If it comes down to the worst (we lose Confluence), what other wiki
>>>>>> would we use? We could always try to come up with some script to try
>>>>>> to port the pages.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> //this might be a good chance to re-organize and clean up the
>>>>>> documentation
>>>>>
>>>>> My guess is MoinMoin, which is already running at Apache. (It's what
>>>>> we used to use before Confluence.)
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Wendy
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@struts.apache.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> "Hey you! Would you help me to carry the stone?" Pink Floyd
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Rene Gielen
>> IT-Neering.net
>> Saarstrasse 100, 52062 Aachen, Germany
>> Line: +49-(0)241-4010770
>> Cell: +49-(0)177-3194448
>> mailto:rg@it-neering.net
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Re: We may lose Confluence

[Musachy Barroso <mu...@gmail.com>]

I am playing with "space export", but that thing is slower than windows 95.

musachy

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Rene Gielen <gi...@it-neering.net> wrote:
> Since we have tons of content, combined with snippets and what not, losing
> confluence should not be an option. I think looking how to come over this
> issue - maybe XML export does the trick, or even working on the old plugin -
> should be the way to go. And maybe our historically good connections to the
> Atlassian guys could help - Don?
>
> If we don't have a sandbox/test instance available at Apache, I could
> provide one since I bought one of the 5$ / 5 users license from the
> Atlassian charity event a few weeks ago. But I'm sure that the Infra guys
> could help here ...
>
> Musachy Barroso schrieb:
>>
>> Is there some sort of "test confluence instance", so we can play with
>> the export plugin? The plugin wiki also mentions some perl script
>> written by the folks at Codehaus, which does a similar job, but I
>> can't find that anywhere.
>>
>> musachy
>>
>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Musachy Barroso <mu...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Actually I take it back, we dont have many people that like to spend
>>> time on the wiki (I am one of them), so yeah this would be a problem.
>>>
>>> musachy
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Wendy Smoak <ws...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Musachy Barroso <mu...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> If it comes down to the worst (we lose Confluence), what other wiki
>>>>> would we use? We could always try to come up with some script to try
>>>>> to port the pages.
>>>>>
>>>>> //this might be a good chance to re-organize and clean up the
>>>>> documentation
>>>>
>>>> My guess is MoinMoin, which is already running at Apache. (It's what
>>>> we used to use before Confluence.)
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Wendy
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>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: We may lose Confluence

[Rene Gielen <gi...@it-neering.net>]

Since we have tons of content, combined with snippets and what not, 
losing confluence should not be an option. I think looking how to come 
over this issue - maybe XML export does the trick, or even working on 
the old plugin - should be the way to go. And maybe our historically 
good connections to the Atlassian guys could help - Don?

If we don't have a sandbox/test instance available at Apache, I could 
provide one since I bought one of the 5$ / 5 users license from the 
Atlassian charity event a few weeks ago. But I'm sure that the Infra 
guys could help here ...

Musachy Barroso schrieb:
> Is there some sort of "test confluence instance", so we can play with
> the export plugin? The plugin wiki also mentions some perl script
> written by the folks at Codehaus, which does a similar job, but I
> can't find that anywhere.
> 
> musachy
> 
> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Musachy Barroso <mu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Actually I take it back, we dont have many people that like to spend
>> time on the wiki (I am one of them), so yeah this would be a problem.
>>
>> musachy
>>
>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Wendy Smoak <ws...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Musachy Barroso <mu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> If it comes down to the worst (we lose Confluence), what other wiki
>>>> would we use? We could always try to come up with some script to try
>>>> to port the pages.
>>>>
>>>> //this might be a good chance to re-organize and clean up the documentation
>>> My guess is MoinMoin, which is already running at Apache. (It's what
>>> we used to use before Confluence.)
>>>
>>> --
>>> Wendy
>>>
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>>>
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>>
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>>
> 
> 
> 

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Re: We may lose Confluence

[Musachy Barroso <mu...@gmail.com>]

Is there some sort of "test confluence instance", so we can play with
the export plugin? The plugin wiki also mentions some perl script
written by the folks at Codehaus, which does a similar job, but I
can't find that anywhere.

musachy

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Musachy Barroso <mu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Actually I take it back, we dont have many people that like to spend
> time on the wiki (I am one of them), so yeah this would be a problem.
>
> musachy
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Wendy Smoak <ws...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Musachy Barroso <mu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> If it comes down to the worst (we lose Confluence), what other wiki
>>> would we use? We could always try to come up with some script to try
>>> to port the pages.
>>>
>>> //this might be a good chance to re-organize and clean up the documentation
>>
>> My guess is MoinMoin, which is already running at Apache. (It's what
>> we used to use before Confluence.)
>>
>> --
>> Wendy
>>
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Re: We may lose Confluence

[Musachy Barroso <mu...@gmail.com>]

Actually I take it back, we dont have many people that like to spend
time on the wiki (I am one of them), so yeah this would be a problem.

musachy

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Wendy Smoak <ws...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Musachy Barroso <mu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> If it comes down to the worst (we lose Confluence), what other wiki
>> would we use? We could always try to come up with some script to try
>> to port the pages.
>>
>> //this might be a good chance to re-organize and clean up the documentation
>
> My guess is MoinMoin, which is already running at Apache. (It's what
> we used to use before Confluence.)
>
> --
> Wendy
>
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Re: We may lose Confluence

[Wendy Smoak <ws...@gmail.com>]

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Musachy Barroso <mu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If it comes down to the worst (we lose Confluence), what other wiki
> would we use? We could always try to come up with some script to try
> to port the pages.
>
> //this might be a good chance to re-organize and clean up the documentation

My guess is MoinMoin, which is already running at Apache. (It's what
we used to use before Confluence.)

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Re: We may lose Confluence

[Musachy Barroso <mu...@gmail.com>]

If it comes down to the worst (we lose Confluence), what other wiki
would we use? We could always try to come up with some script to try
to port the pages.

//this might be a good chance to re-organize and clean up the documentation

musachy

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:27 AM, Martin Cooper <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> Folks,
>
> Due to a long-standing issue with Confluence, there are discussions going on
> that could lead to us losing Confluence as a resource, both for generating
> our web site and for our wiki. This would be really bad for Struts, which is
> why I'm bringing this up now.
>
> The core issue is that we are on a very old version of Confluence, and there
> are serious scaling issues with that version. The infrastructure team very
> much wants to upgrade to the latest version of Confluence, but the issue
> there is that the Auto Export Plugin does not work with more recent versions
> than the one we are running. This is due to some structural changes that
> were made in Confluence, and the Auto Export Plugin not having been updated
> for those changes.
>
> The Auto Export Plugin is open source, but for a variety of reasons, the
> resources have not been brought to bear to update the Auto Export Plugin
> such that we can deploy it on a newer version of Confluence.
>
> If you care about our continued ability to use Confluence to generate our
> web site, and our wiki, please consider getting involved in at least the
> discussions on the infrastructure mailing lists. If you think you might be
> able to help with updating the plugin itself, your help would be very much
> appreciated. Again, joining the discussion on the infrastructure list would
> be the place to start.
>
> Personally, it horrifies me to think of how much work would be involved in
> migrating all of our content to a different wiki, let alone compensating for
> the loss of various Confluence plugins and macros (e.g. snippets).
>
> As mentioned, the Auto Export Plugin is open source, and lives here:
>
> http://code.google.com/p/couldit-autoexport/ious
>
> Your thoughts and comments can be brought up on the
> infrastructure@a.omailing list.
>
> --
> Martin Cooper
>



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Re: We may lose Confluence

[Wes Wannemacher <we...@wantii.com>]

Yikes! Although confluence has made me angry recently, I agree that our docs 
would seriously suffer if we lost it... I'll join in the infra mailing list 
and see if I can't help out with the source. Thanks for bringing this to our 
attention Martin!

-Wes

On Wednesday 20 May 2009 12:27:48 am Martin Cooper wrote:
> Folks,
>
> Due to a long-standing issue with Confluence, there are discussions going
> on that could lead to us losing Confluence as a resource, both for
> generating our web site and for our wiki. This would be really bad for
> Struts, which is why I'm bringing this up now.
>
> The core issue is that we are on a very old version of Confluence, and
> there are serious scaling issues with that version. The infrastructure team
> very much wants to upgrade to the latest version of Confluence, but the
> issue there is that the Auto Export Plugin does not work with more recent
> versions than the one we are running. This is due to some structural
> changes that were made in Confluence, and the Auto Export Plugin not having
> been updated for those changes.
>
> The Auto Export Plugin is open source, but for a variety of reasons, the
> resources have not been brought to bear to update the Auto Export Plugin
> such that we can deploy it on a newer version of Confluence.
>
> If you care about our continued ability to use Confluence to generate our
> web site, and our wiki, please consider getting involved in at least the
> discussions on the infrastructure mailing lists. If you think you might be
> able to help with updating the plugin itself, your help would be very much
> appreciated. Again, joining the discussion on the infrastructure list would
> be the place to start.
>
> Personally, it horrifies me to think of how much work would be involved in
> migrating all of our content to a different wiki, let alone compensating
> for the loss of various Confluence plugins and macros (e.g. snippets).
>
> As mentioned, the Auto Export Plugin is open source, and lives here:
>
> http://code.google.com/p/couldit-autoexport/ious
>
> Your thoughts and comments can be brought up on the
> infrastructure@a.omailing list.
>
> --
> Martin Cooper

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