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Posted to legal-discuss@apache.org by Ralph Goers <Ra...@dslextreme.com> on 2005/07/04 23:21:16 UTC
[Fwd: Usage of Hibernate]
I posted this last week to the agila project and have yet to get any
response. Since they feel free to incorporate LGPL'd code into their
project should I assume that we can also now incorporate Hibernate into
Cocoon?
Ralph
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Usage of Hibernate
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 20:15:28 -0700
From: Ralph Goers <Ra...@dslextreme.com>
Reply-To: agila-dev@incubator.apache.org
To: agila-dev@incubator.apache.org
CC: pmc@cocoon.apache.org
I have just downloaded Agila to give it a try and noticed (how could I
not) that it has dependencies on Hibernate. I am pretty sure I've seen
Geir on Apache Legal, but I could be wrong, so I'm quite surprised that
Twister was allowed to be brought in while it still has dependencies on
Hibernate. I've been monitoring that list waiting for a resoluation to
the LGPL issue and haven't seen it yet, so AFAIK Apache projects still
can't use LGPL'd software.
If this has changed, please let me know, as there are plenty of folks
who'd love to use this in Cocoon.
Ralph
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Re: [Fwd: Usage of Hibernate]
Posted by Ralph Goers <Ra...@dslextreme.com>.
Wow. That would be great. Agila would have no problem, since it uses
Maven. This would be somewhat of a problem for Cocoon 2.1, given how it
is currently packaged though.
Ralph
Cliff Schmidt wrote:
>At this point, ASF projects should not have dependencies on Hibernate
>or any LGPL libraries, but this policy may change by the end of this
>month:
>
>The ASF has been working with the FSF to get a common understanding of
>issues associated with Java projects that take dependencies on LGPL
>libraries. We're getting very close, and I'm now expecting to have a
>resolution in front of the ASF Board by their next regular monthly
>meeting. I can't speak for the Board, but from the legal side, I
>think there's a good chance the Board will approve allowing ASF
>projects to take dependencies on unmodified LGPL libraries such as
>Hibernate. However, it is quite another thing to allow a project to
>actually redistribute the LGPL dependency (as opposed to placing the
>burden on the user to go out and get Hibernate). We currently have a
>pretty strong policy against allowing IP with terms beyond those of
>the Apache License 2.0 to be checked into CVS/SVN or (depending on who
>you ask) to be included in a project's release.
>
>Again, this is a Board decision; I'm just trying to let you all know
>the time line and the possible outcomes.
>
>Cliff
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Fwd: Usage of Hibernate]
Posted by Cliff Schmidt <cl...@gmail.com>.
At this point, ASF projects should not have dependencies on Hibernate
or any LGPL libraries, but this policy may change by the end of this
month:
The ASF has been working with the FSF to get a common understanding of
issues associated with Java projects that take dependencies on LGPL
libraries. We're getting very close, and I'm now expecting to have a
resolution in front of the ASF Board by their next regular monthly
meeting. I can't speak for the Board, but from the legal side, I
think there's a good chance the Board will approve allowing ASF
projects to take dependencies on unmodified LGPL libraries such as
Hibernate. However, it is quite another thing to allow a project to
actually redistribute the LGPL dependency (as opposed to placing the
burden on the user to go out and get Hibernate). We currently have a
pretty strong policy against allowing IP with terms beyond those of
the Apache License 2.0 to be checked into CVS/SVN or (depending on who
you ask) to be included in a project's release.
Again, this is a Board decision; I'm just trying to let you all know
the time line and the possible outcomes.
Cliff
On 7/4/05, Jeremy Boynes <jb...@apache.org> wrote:
> I would assume one of the objectives during incubation would be to
> remove dependencies such as this where there were any legal questions. I
> would expect this to be resolved (one way or another) before the podling
> graduates.
>
> Cocoon, being an official project already, would need to stick with
> current ASF policy which as I understand it means no LGPL dependency.
>
> --
> Jeremy
>
> Ralph Goers wrote:
> > I posted this last week to the agila project and have yet to get any
> > response. Since they feel free to incorporate LGPL'd code into their
> > project should I assume that we can also now incorporate Hibernate into
> > Cocoon?
> >
> > Ralph
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: Usage of Hibernate
> > Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 20:15:28 -0700
> > From: Ralph Goers <Ra...@dslextreme.com>
> > Reply-To: agila-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > To: agila-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > CC: pmc@cocoon.apache.org
> >
> >
> >
> > I have just downloaded Agila to give it a try and noticed (how could I
> > not) that it has dependencies on Hibernate. I am pretty sure I've seen
> > Geir on Apache Legal, but I could be wrong, so I'm quite surprised that
> > Twister was allowed to be brought in while it still has dependencies on
> > Hibernate. I've been monitoring that list waiting for a resoluation to
> > the LGPL issue and haven't seen it yet, so AFAIK Apache projects still
> > can't use LGPL'd software.
> > If this has changed, please let me know, as there are plenty of folks
> > who'd love to use this in Cocoon.
> >
> > Ralph
> >
> >
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Re: [Fwd: Usage of Hibernate]
Posted by Jeremy Boynes <jb...@apache.org>.
I would assume one of the objectives during incubation would be to
remove dependencies such as this where there were any legal questions. I
would expect this to be resolved (one way or another) before the podling
graduates.
Cocoon, being an official project already, would need to stick with
current ASF policy which as I understand it means no LGPL dependency.
--
Jeremy
Ralph Goers wrote:
> I posted this last week to the agila project and have yet to get any
> response. Since they feel free to incorporate LGPL'd code into their
> project should I assume that we can also now incorporate Hibernate into
> Cocoon?
>
> Ralph
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Usage of Hibernate
> Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 20:15:28 -0700
> From: Ralph Goers <Ra...@dslextreme.com>
> Reply-To: agila-dev@incubator.apache.org
> To: agila-dev@incubator.apache.org
> CC: pmc@cocoon.apache.org
>
>
>
> I have just downloaded Agila to give it a try and noticed (how could I
> not) that it has dependencies on Hibernate. I am pretty sure I've seen
> Geir on Apache Legal, but I could be wrong, so I'm quite surprised that
> Twister was allowed to be brought in while it still has dependencies on
> Hibernate. I've been monitoring that list waiting for a resoluation to
> the LGPL issue and haven't seen it yet, so AFAIK Apache projects still
> can't use LGPL'd software.
> If this has changed, please let me know, as there are plenty of folks
> who'd love to use this in Cocoon.
>
> Ralph
>
>
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