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From: Alvaro Rozo [mailto:alvaro.rozo@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 11:08 AM
To: Log4NET User
Subject: Re: no log file is created
Samuel,
I have not found an easy way to troubleshoot problems with Log4Net. I had issues in the past with it but the only real way was to step into the application's code and see where it was failing and what error was hopefully throwing. However, I must said that in the exact way as you, this was not the case many times as Log4Net decided to die silently without any notifications to event log or anything like it. That would be nice to have so we get some feedback but I have not found a way to do so yet. If you know let me know.
The only thing that I could think of is right permissions to the folder. The ASP.NET impersonation needs to have read/write access to this physical folder (Windows Explorer).
Other than that, I am afraid I do not have more to add.
Alvaro
On 6/27/07, Samuel Rochas <sa...@iesedu.com> wrote:
Dear Alvaro,
I've changed my config according to yours but I still can't log. How could I try to troubleshoot?
Samuel
Alvaro Rozo escribió:
Samuel,
Try the following, this works for me in my web.config:
<?xml version="1.0"?>
<configuration>
<configSections>
<section name="log4net" type="log4net.Config .Log4NetConfigurationSectionHandler, log4net"/>
</configSections>
More web config stuff
<log4net>
<!-- RollingFileAppender looks after rolling over files by size or date -->
<appender name="RollingFileAppender" type="log4net.Appender.RollingFileAppender">
<file value="C:\\Dev\\Test\\log\\log.txt"/>
<param name="AppendToFile" value="true"/>
<param name="MaxSizeRollBackups" value="10"/>
<param name="MaximumFileSize" value="100000"/>
<param name="RollingStyle" value="Size"/>
<param name="StaticLogFileName" value="true"/>
<layout type="log4net.Layout.PatternLayout ">
<param name="ConversionPattern" value="="%date [%thread] %-5level %logger [%ndc] - %message%newline"/>
</layout>
</appender>
<!-- Setup the root category, add the appenders and set the default level -->
<root>
<level value="DEBUG"/>
<appender-ref ref="RollingFileAppender"/>
</root>
</log4net>
</configuration>
On 6/27/07, Samuel Rochas < samuel.rochas@iesedu.com <ma...@iesedu.com> > wrote:
>
> Dear Michael,
>
> I've tried to define an EventLogAppender as shown bellow, but still nothing happens. I may have a bigger problem ;-)
> In the Solution Explorer view, I can see the Bin directory with the log4net.dll inside, so for me it looks good.
>
> If I use an external config file for log4net, where do I tell my application to use it?
>
> Thanx
> Samuel
>
> web.config:
> <configuration xmlns=" http://schemas.microsoft.com/.NetConfiguration/v2.0">
> <!-- Register a section handler for the log4net section -->
> <configSections>
> <section name="log4net" type="System.Configuration.IgnoreSectionHandler" />
> </configSections>
> <appSettings>
> </appSettings>
> <!-- This section contains the log4net configuration settings -->
> <log4net>
> <!-- Define some output appenders -->
> <appender name="EventLogAppender" type=" log4net.Appender.EventLogAppender" >
> <layout type=" log4net.Layout.PatternLayout">
> <conversionPattern value="%date [%thread] %-5level %logger [%property{NDC}] - %message%newline" />
> </layout>
> </appender>
> <appender name="A1" type="log4net.Appender.RollingFileAppender">
> <file value="C:\Dev\Test\log\log.txt" />
> <appendToFile value="true" />
> <maxSizeRollBackups value="10" />
> <maximumFileSize value="1024KB" />
> <rollingStyle value="Size" />
> <staticLogFileName value="true" />
> <layout type="log4net.Layout.PatternLayout">
> <conversionPattern value="%date [%thread] %-5level %logger [%ndc] - %message%newline" />
> </layout>
> </appender>
> <root>
> <level value="DEBUG" />
> <appender-ref ref="EventLogAppender" />
> </root>
> <logger name=" com.mypackage.test" >
> <level value="DEBUG" />
> <appender-ref ref="EventLogAppender" />
> </logger>
> </log4net>
>
> Michael Schall escribió:
>
> Are any of the other appenders working(EventViewer, Console)? If not are you configuring log4net? I see you have your configuration in your web config file. We don't do it this way.
>
> If the others are working, it has to be in your config file or environment...
>
> We use external config files and configure it manually during Application_Start in the global.asax. Below is a sample of our Web.log4net.config file. This way we can change logging without resetting the web site.
>
> <log4net>
>
> <appender name="RollingFile" type="log4net.Appender.RollingFileAppender ">
> <file value="..\..\log\Regen.log" />
> <rollingStyle value="Composite" />
> <appendToFile value="false" />
> <datePattern value="yyyyMMdd" />
> <maximumFileSize value="100MB" />
> <maxSizeRollBackups value="-1" />
> <StaticLogFileName value="false" />
> <layout type=" log4net.Layout.PatternLayout">
> <conversionPattern value="%5level [%date] [%thread] %-30.30logger{2} %message%newline" />
> </layout>
> </appender>
>
> <appender name="EventLog" type="log4net.Appender.EventLogAppender" >
> <applicationName value="Regen" />
> <filter type=" log4net.Filter.LevelRangeFilter">
> <levelMin value="INFO" />
> </filter>
> <layout type="log4net.Layout.PatternLayout ">
> <conversionPattern value="%logger %newline %message" />
> </layout>
> </appender>
>
> <root>
> <level value="DEBUG" />
> <appender-ref ref="RollingFile" />
> <appender-ref ref="EventLog" />
> </root>
>
> </log4net>
>
>
> On 6/27/07, Samuel Rochas < samuel.rochas@iesedu.com <ma...@iesedu.com> > wrote:
> >
> > Dear Michael,
> >
> > I have changed my app to write a file using a TextWriter and this is working so I believe my app has rights to write files. But I still have the log problem, no log file is created.
> >
> > Do you have any suggestion on what should I try now?
> >
> > Regards
> > Samuel
> >
> > Michael Schall escribió:
> >
> > You don't need to escape them. Here is my appender declaration...
> >
> > <appender name="RollingFile" type="log4net.Appender.RollingFileAppender">
> > <file value="C:\Projects\Company_Name\Project_Name\log\web.log" />
> > <appendToFile value="true" />
> > <maximumFileSize value="100MB" />
> > <maxSizeRollBackups value="-1" />
> > <layout type=" log4net.Layout.PatternLayout ">
> > <conversionPattern value="%5level [%date] [%thread] %-30.30logger{2} %message%newline" />
> > </layout>
> > </appender>
> >
> >
> > On 6/22/07, Samuel Rochas <samuel.rochas@iesedu.com > wrote:
> > > Dear Michael,
> > >
> > > I run the web server which comes with studio. I am not sure how / where
> > > to configure it. I open the IIS tool, and in the "Default web site"
> > > properties, I setup the directory rights to write. But no change is to see.
> > >
> > > Do you need to escape the '\' characters like you do in Java for the
> > > absolute file path like "C:\\path1\\path2\\file.txt"?
> > >
> > > Thank you
> > > Samuel
> > >
> > > Michael Schall escribió:
> > > > The user the application is running as has to have rights to write to
> > > > / create files in the folder where you are logging. Keep in mind that
> > > > if you are debugging, that might be a different relative path than if
> > > > you are running the program directly. I use an absolute path for my
> > > > rolling file appenders and they work great.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
>
>
>
> --
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Samuel Rochas
> International Education Systems (IES)
> Technological Resources
> Paseo Conde Sepúlveda, 16 40002-Segovia España
> Tel: +(34) 921 100 608 g Fax: +(34) 921 443 592
> samuel.rochas@iesedu.com g www.iesedu.com <http://www.iesedu.com/>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From: Alvaro Rozo [mailto:alvaro.rozo@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 11:08 AM
To: Log4NET User
Subject: Re: no log file is created
Samuel,
I have not found an easy way to troubleshoot problems with Log4Net. I had issues in the past with it but the only real way was to step into the application's code and see where it was failing and what error was hopefully throwing. However, I must said that in the exact way as you, this was not the case many times as Log4Net decided to die silently without any notifications to event log or anything like it. That would be nice to have so we get some feedback but I have not found a way to do so yet. If you know let me know.
The only thing that I could think of is right permissions to the folder. The ASP.NET impersonation needs to have read/write access to this physical folder (Windows Explorer).
Other than that, I am afraid I do not have more to add.
Alvaro
On 6/27/07, Samuel Rochas <sa...@iesedu.com> wrote:
Dear Alvaro,
I've changed my config according to yours but I still can't log. How could I try to troubleshoot?
Samuel
Alvaro Rozo escribió:
Samuel,
Try the following, this works for me in my web.config:
<?xml version="1.0"?>
<configuration>
<configSections>
<section name="log4net" type="log4net.Config .Log4NetConfigurationSectionHandler, log4net"/>
</configSections>
More web config stuff
<log4net>
<!-- RollingFileAppender looks after rolling over files by size or date -->
<appender name="RollingFileAppender" type="log4net.Appender.RollingFileAppender">
<file value="C:\\Dev\\Test\\log\\log.txt"/>
<param name="AppendToFile" value="true"/>
<param name="MaxSizeRollBackups" value="10"/>
<param name="MaximumFileSize" value="100000"/>
<param name="RollingStyle" value="Size"/>
<param name="StaticLogFileName" value="true"/>
<layout type="log4net.Layout.PatternLayout ">
<param name="ConversionPattern" value="="%date [%thread] %-5level %logger [%ndc] - %message%newline"/>
</layout>
</appender>
<!-- Setup the root category, add the appenders and set the default level -->
<root>
<level value="DEBUG"/>
<appender-ref ref="RollingFileAppender"/>
</root>
</log4net>
</configuration>
On 6/27/07, Samuel Rochas < samuel.rochas@iesedu.com <ma...@iesedu.com> > wrote:
>
> Dear Michael,
>
> I've tried to define an EventLogAppender as shown bellow, but still nothing happens. I may have a bigger problem ;-)
> In the Solution Explorer view, I can see the Bin directory with the log4net.dll inside, so for me it looks good.
>
> If I use an external config file for log4net, where do I tell my application to use it?
>
> Thanx
> Samuel
>
> web.config:
> <configuration xmlns=" http://schemas.microsoft.com/.NetConfiguration/v2.0">
> <!-- Register a section handler for the log4net section -->
> <configSections>
> <section name="log4net" type="System.Configuration.IgnoreSectionHandler" />
> </configSections>
> <appSettings>
> </appSettings>
> <!-- This section contains the log4net configuration settings -->
> <log4net>
> <!-- Define some output appenders -->
> <appender name="EventLogAppender" type=" log4net.Appender.EventLogAppender" >
> <layout type=" log4net.Layout.PatternLayout">
> <conversionPattern value="%date [%thread] %-5level %logger [%property{NDC}] - %message%newline" />
> </layout>
> </appender>
> <appender name="A1" type="log4net.Appender.RollingFileAppender">
> <file value="C:\Dev\Test\log\log.txt" />
> <appendToFile value="true" />
> <maxSizeRollBackups value="10" />
> <maximumFileSize value="1024KB" />
> <rollingStyle value="Size" />
> <staticLogFileName value="true" />
> <layout type="log4net.Layout.PatternLayout">
> <conversionPattern value="%date [%thread] %-5level %logger [%ndc] - %message%newline" />
> </layout>
> </appender>
> <root>
> <level value="DEBUG" />
> <appender-ref ref="EventLogAppender" />
> </root>
> <logger name=" com.mypackage.test" >
> <level value="DEBUG" />
> <appender-ref ref="EventLogAppender" />
> </logger>
> </log4net>
>
> Michael Schall escribió:
>
> Are any of the other appenders working(EventViewer, Console)? If not are you configuring log4net? I see you have your configuration in your web config file. We don't do it this way.
>
> If the others are working, it has to be in your config file or environment...
>
> We use external config files and configure it manually during Application_Start in the global.asax. Below is a sample of our Web.log4net.config file. This way we can change logging without resetting the web site.
>
> <log4net>
>
> <appender name="RollingFile" type="log4net.Appender.RollingFileAppender ">
> <file value="..\..\log\Regen.log" />
> <rollingStyle value="Composite" />
> <appendToFile value="false" />
> <datePattern value="yyyyMMdd" />
> <maximumFileSize value="100MB" />
> <maxSizeRollBackups value="-1" />
> <StaticLogFileName value="false" />
> <layout type=" log4net.Layout.PatternLayout">
> <conversionPattern value="%5level [%date] [%thread] %-30.30logger{2} %message%newline" />
> </layout>
> </appender>
>
> <appender name="EventLog" type="log4net.Appender.EventLogAppender" >
> <applicationName value="Regen" />
> <filter type=" log4net.Filter.LevelRangeFilter">
> <levelMin value="INFO" />
> </filter>
> <layout type="log4net.Layout.PatternLayout ">
> <conversionPattern value="%logger %newline %message" />
> </layout>
> </appender>
>
> <root>
> <level value="DEBUG" />
> <appender-ref ref="RollingFile" />
> <appender-ref ref="EventLog" />
> </root>
>
> </log4net>
>
>
> On 6/27/07, Samuel Rochas < samuel.rochas@iesedu.com <ma...@iesedu.com> > wrote:
> >
> > Dear Michael,
> >
> > I have changed my app to write a file using a TextWriter and this is working so I believe my app has rights to write files. But I still have the log problem, no log file is created.
> >
> > Do you have any suggestion on what should I try now?
> >
> > Regards
> > Samuel
> >
> > Michael Schall escribió:
> >
> > You don't need to escape them. Here is my appender declaration...
> >
> > <appender name="RollingFile" type="log4net.Appender.RollingFileAppender">
> > <file value="C:\Projects\Company_Name\Project_Name\log\web.log" />
> > <appendToFile value="true" />
> > <maximumFileSize value="100MB" />
> > <maxSizeRollBackups value="-1" />
> > <layout type=" log4net.Layout.PatternLayout ">
> > <conversionPattern value="%5level [%date] [%thread] %-30.30logger{2} %message%newline" />
> > </layout>
> > </appender>
> >
> >
> > On 6/22/07, Samuel Rochas <samuel.rochas@iesedu.com > wrote:
> > > Dear Michael,
> > >
> > > I run the web server which comes with studio. I am not sure how / where
> > > to configure it. I open the IIS tool, and in the "Default web site"
> > > properties, I setup the directory rights to write. But no change is to see.
> > >
> > > Do you need to escape the '\' characters like you do in Java for the
> > > absolute file path like "C:\\path1\\path2\\file.txt"?
> > >
> > > Thank you
> > > Samuel
> > >
> > > Michael Schall escribió:
> > > > The user the application is running as has to have rights to write to
> > > > / create files in the folder where you are logging. Keep in mind that
> > > > if you are debugging, that might be a different relative path than if
> > > > you are running the program directly. I use an absolute path for my
> > > > rolling file appenders and they work great.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
>
>
>
> --
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Samuel Rochas
> International Education Systems (IES)
> Technological Resources
> Paseo Conde Sepúlveda, 16 40002-Segovia España
> Tel: +(34) 921 100 608 g Fax: +(34) 921 443 592
> samuel.rochas@iesedu.com g www.iesedu.com <http://www.iesedu.com/>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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On 6/27/07, Khalid, Amer <ak...@theplanet.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
> From: Alvaro Rozo [mailto:alvaro.rozo@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 11:08 AM
> To: Log4NET User
> Subject: Re: no log file is created
>
>
>
>
> Samuel,
>
>
>
>
>
> I have not found an easy way to troubleshoot problems with Log4Net. I had
> issues in the past with it but the only real way was to step into the
> application's code and see where it was failing and what error was hopefully
> throwing. However, I must said that in the exact way as you, this was not
> the case many times as Log4Net decided to die silently without any
> notifications to event log or anything like it. That would be nice to have
> so we get some feedback but I have not found a way to do so yet. If you know
> let me know.
>
>
>
>
>
> The only thing that I could think of is right permissions to the folder. The
> ASP.NET impersonation needs to have read/write access to this physical
> folder (Windows Explorer).
>
>
>
>
>
> Other than that, I am afraid I do not have more to add.
>
>
>
>
>
> Alvaro
>
>
>
> On 6/27/07, Samuel Rochas <sa...@iesedu.com> wrote:
>
>
> Dear Alvaro,
>
> I've changed my config according to yours but I still can't log. How could
> I try to troubleshoot?
>
> Samuel
>
> Alvaro Rozo escribió:
>
>
>
>
> Samuel,
>
>
>
> Try the following, this works for me in my web.config:
>
> <?xml version="1.0"?>
> <configuration>
> <configSections>
> <section name="log4net" type="log4net.Config
> .Log4NetConfigurationSectionHandler, log4net"/>
> </configSections>
> More web config stuff
> <log4net>
> <!-- RollingFileAppender looks after rolling over files by size or
> date -->
> <appender name="RollingFileAppender"
> type="log4net.Appender.RollingFileAppender">
> <file value="C:\\Dev\\Test\\log\\log.txt"/>
> <param name="AppendToFile" value="true"/>
> <param name="MaxSizeRollBackups" value="10"/>
> <param name="MaximumFileSize" value="100000"/>
> <param name="RollingStyle" value="Size"/>
> <param name="StaticLogFileName" value="true"/>
> <layout type="log4net.Layout.PatternLayout ">
> <param name="ConversionPattern" value="="%date [%thread]
> %-5level %logger [%ndc] - %message%newline"/>
> </layout>
> </appender>
> <!-- Setup the root category, add the appenders and set the default
> level -->
> <root>
> <level value="DEBUG"/>
> <appender-ref ref="RollingFileAppender"/>
> </root>
> </log4net>
> </configuration>
>
>
> On 6/27/07, Samuel Rochas < samuel.rochas@iesedu.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Michael,
> >
> > I've tried to define an EventLogAppender as shown bellow, but still
> nothing happens. I may have a bigger problem ;-)
> > In the Solution Explorer view, I can see the Bin directory with the
> log4net.dll inside, so for me it looks good.
> >
> > If I use an external config file for log4net, where do I tell my
> application to use it?
> >
> > Thanx
> > Samuel
> >
> > web.config:
> > <configuration xmlns="
> http://schemas.microsoft.com/.NetConfiguration/v2.0">
> > <!-- Register a section handler for the log4net section -->
> > <configSections>
> > <section name="log4net"
> type="System.Configuration.IgnoreSectionHandler" />
> > </configSections>
> > <appSettings>
> > </appSettings>
> > <!-- This section contains the log4net configuration settings -->
> > <log4net>
> > <!-- Define some output appenders -->
> > <appender name="EventLogAppender" type="
> log4net.Appender.EventLogAppender" >
> > <layout type=" log4net.Layout.PatternLayout">
> > <conversionPattern value="%date [%thread] %-5level %logger
> [%property{NDC}] - %message%newline" />
> > </layout>
> > </appender>
> > <appender name="A1"
> type="log4net.Appender.RollingFileAppender">
> > <file value="C:\Dev\Test\log\log.txt" />
> > <appendToFile value="true" />
> > <maxSizeRollBackups value="10" />
> > <maximumFileSize value="1024KB" />
> > <rollingStyle value="Size" />
> > <staticLogFileName value="true" />
> > <layout type="log4net.Layout.PatternLayout">
> > <conversionPattern value="%date [%thread] %-5level %logger [%ndc]
> - %message%newline" />
> > </layout>
> > </appender>
> > <root>
> > <level value="DEBUG" />
> > <appender-ref ref="EventLogAppender" />
> > </root>
> > <logger name=" com.mypackage.test" >
> > <level value="DEBUG" />
> > <appender-ref ref="EventLogAppender" />
> > </logger>
> > </log4net>
> >
> > Michael Schall escribió:
> >
> > Are any of the other appenders working(EventViewer, Console)? If not are
> you configuring log4net? I see you have your configuration in your web
> config file. We don't do it this way.
> >
> > If the others are working, it has to be in your config file or
> environment...
> >
> > We use external config files and configure it manually during
> Application_Start in the global.asax. Below is a sample of our
> Web.log4net.config file. This way we can change logging without resetting
> the web site.
> >
> > <log4net>
> >
> > <appender name="RollingFile"
> type="log4net.Appender.RollingFileAppender ">
> > <file value="..\..\log\Regen.log" />
> > <rollingStyle value="Composite" />
> > <appendToFile value="false" />
> > <datePattern value="yyyyMMdd" />
> > <maximumFileSize value="100MB" />
> > <maxSizeRollBackups value="-1" />
> > <StaticLogFileName value="false" />
> > <layout type=" log4net.Layout.PatternLayout">
> > <conversionPattern value="%5level [%date] [%thread]
> %-30.30logger{2} %message%newline" />
> > </layout>
> > </appender>
> >
> > <appender name="EventLog"
> type="log4net.Appender.EventLogAppender" >
> > <applicationName value="Regen" />
> > <filter type=" log4net.Filter.LevelRangeFilter">
> > <levelMin value="INFO" />
> > </filter>
> > <layout type="log4net.Layout.PatternLayout ">
> > <conversionPattern value="%logger %newline %message" />
> > </layout>
> > </appender>
> >
> > <root>
> > <level value="DEBUG" />
> > <appender-ref ref="RollingFile" />
> > <appender-ref ref="EventLog" />
> > </root>
> >
> > </log4net>
> >
> >
> > On 6/27/07, Samuel Rochas < samuel.rochas@iesedu.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Michael,
> > >
> > > I have changed my app to write a file using a TextWriter and this is
> working so I believe my app has rights to write files. But I still have the
> log problem, no log file is created.
> > >
> > > Do you have any suggestion on what should I try now?
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Samuel
> > >
> > > Michael Schall escribió:
> > >
> > > You don't need to escape them. Here is my appender declaration...
> > >
> > > <appender name="RollingFile"
> type="log4net.Appender.RollingFileAppender">
> > > <file
> value="C:\Projects\Company_Name\Project_Name\log\web.log"
> />
> > > <appendToFile value="true" />
> > > <maximumFileSize value="100MB" />
> > > <maxSizeRollBackups value="-1" />
> > > <layout type=" log4net.Layout.PatternLayout ">
> > > <conversionPattern value="%5level [%date] [%thread]
> %-30.30logger{2} %message%newline" />
> > > </layout>
> > > </appender>
> > >
> > >
> > > On 6/22/07, Samuel Rochas <samuel.rochas@iesedu.com > wrote:
> > > > Dear Michael,
> > > >
> > > > I run the web server which comes with studio. I am not sure how /
> where
> > > > to configure it. I open the IIS tool, and in the "Default web site"
> > > > properties, I setup the directory rights to write. But no change is
> to see.
> > > >
> > > > Do you need to escape the '\' characters like you do in Java for the
> > > > absolute file path like "C:\\path1\\path2\\file.txt"?
> > > >
> > > > Thank you
> > > > Samuel
> > > >
> > > > Michael Schall escribió:
> > > > > The user the application is running as has to have rights to write
> to
> > > > > / create files in the folder where you are logging. Keep in mind
> that
> > > > > if you are debugging, that might be a different relative path than
> if
> > > > > you are running the program directly. I use an absolute path for
> my
> > > > > rolling file appenders and they work great.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > >
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> > Samuel Rochas
> > International Education Systems (IES)
> > Technological Resources
> > Paseo Conde Sepúlveda, 16 40002-Segovia España
> > Tel: +(34) 921 100 608 g Fax: +(34) 921 443 592
> > samuel.rochas@iesedu.com g www.iesedu.com
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Erik Brooks
Seattle, Washington, USA