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Posted to user@struts.apache.org by Leon Rosenberg <st...@anotheria.net> on 2005/07/02 19:21:05 UTC
Re:J2EE vs .Net (was Struts vs .NET???)
How large is large?
I could show you some, but I need to know, what you define as large, to show
you the right one.
Doesn't struts project itself has a success stories page anymore?
leon
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: John Henry Xu [mailto:xixu@email.com]
> Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juli 2005 18:30
> An: Struts Users Mailing List
> Betreff: Re: Struts vs .NET???
>
> Dakota Jack,
>
> Do you always accuse people don't understand framework if
> they don't agree with you?
>
> You need evidence to back up your claims. Show us some large
> struts web sites you had/have worked on so we can discuss
> them and technologies according to your claims.
>
> Jack H. Xu
> Technology columnist and editor
>
> http://www.usanalyst.com
>
> http://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in
> North America)
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dakota Jack"
> To: "Struts Users Mailing List"
> Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET???
> Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 05:28:02 -0700
>
> >
> > You only have this "experience" because you clearly do
> not even see
> > what te framework does for you. If you don't see that, you see
> > nothing.
> >
> > On 7/2/05, John Henry Xu wrote:
> > > > The lines with Struts are in fact less, because you don't have
> to code
> > > > the framework.
> > >
> > > That was an interesting statement. My experience was Struts have
> more
> > > codes and configuration files than straight forward
> JSP+Javabean+taglibs
> > > approach that was done before.
> > >
> > > And also I would insist J2EE vs .Net is a more appropriate
> > > comparison than JSF vs .NET (as you suggested in another email).
> > >
> > > Jack H. Xu
> > > Technology columnist and editor
> > >
> > > http://www.usanalyst.com
> > >
> > > http://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in North
> America)
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Dakota Jack"
> > > To: "Struts Users Mailing List"
> > > Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET???
> > > Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 23:45:41 -0700
> > >
> > > >
> > > > The lines with Struts are in fact less, because you don't have
> to
> > > code
> > > > the framework.
> > > >
> > > > On 7/1/05, John Henry Xu wrote:
> > > > > Rick, you are right that you can write struts using very
> basic
> > > text editor.
> > > > >
> > > > > My consideation is based on the cost of software
> development.
> > > > >
> > > > > Let's say for the same problem that you tried to solve:
> before
> > > > > your code was 1000 lines. Now in struts, your code are 1500
> lines
> > > > > (remember those setters and getters and
> configuration files.)
> > > > >
> > > > > Assume you use basic text editor, the time you finish your
> > > > > project is 1.5 times than before.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now if this transfer to many projects, the budget you finish
> > > > > those projects will be 1.5 times as before.
> > > > >
> > > > > Suppose your department used to spend 10 million dollars a
> year,
> > > > > now you need 15 million dollars to do the same work.
> > > > >
> > > > > So good GUIs to automate repeatable codes are neccessary to
> cut
> > > > > those 5 million dollars.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jack H. Xu
> > > > > Technology columnist and editor
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.usanalyst.com
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in
> North
> > > America)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Rick Reumann"
> > > > > To: "Struts Users Mailing List"
> > > > > Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET???
> > > > > Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 15:35:31 -0400
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > John Henry Xu wrote the following on 6/30/2005 11:49 PM:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > struts can fit into J2EE structure and it is
> only part of
> it.
> > > And
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > my opinion, you better use some GUI tools to develop
> struts
> > > > > > > application, otherwise you spend lots of time on getters
> and
> > > > > setters.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well even many of the most basic editors will make get/set
> > > methods,
> > > > > > so I wouldn't say you need a GUI Tool at all for coding
> Struts
> > > > > > apps. I happen to use IDEA and jEdit, mostly because I'm
> used
> > > to
> > > > > > using them. (Yea I know Eclipse is good also..bla bla..
> > > everyone
> > > > > > just use what you like.. emacs, vim, pico, chalkboard,
> > > whatever:)
> > > > > > It's just very misleading to state that you need GUI tools
> to
> > > > > > create Struts apps.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -- Rick
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
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