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Posted to user@struts.apache.org by Leon Rosenberg <st...@anotheria.net> on 2005/07/02 19:21:05 UTC

Re:J2EE vs .Net (was Struts vs .NET???)

How large is large?

I could show you some, but I need to know, what you define as large, to show
you the right one.
Doesn't struts project itself has a success stories page anymore?

leon

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: John Henry Xu [mailto:xixu@email.com] 
> Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juli 2005 18:30
> An: Struts Users Mailing List
> Betreff: Re: Struts vs .NET???
> 
> Dakota Jack,
> 
> Do you always accuse people don't understand framework if 
> they don't agree with you?
> 
> You need evidence to back up your claims. Show us some large 
> struts web sites you had/have worked on so we can discuss 
> them and technologies according to your claims.
> 
> Jack H. Xu
> Technology columnist and editor
> 
> http://www.usanalyst.com
> 
> http://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in 
> North America)  
> 
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: "Dakota Jack"
>   To: "Struts Users Mailing List"
>   Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET???
>   Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 05:28:02 -0700
> 
>   >
>   > You only have this "experience" because you clearly do 
> not even see
>   > what te framework does for you. If you don't see that, you see
>   > nothing.
>   >
>   > On 7/2/05, John Henry Xu wrote:
>   > > > The lines with Struts are in fact less, because you don't have
>   to code
>   > > > the framework.
>   > >
>   > > That was an interesting statement. My experience was Struts have
>   more
>   > > codes and configuration files than straight forward
>   JSP+Javabean+taglibs
>   > > approach that was done before.
>   > >
>   > > And also I would insist J2EE vs .Net is a more appropriate
>   > > comparison than JSF vs .NET (as you suggested in another email).
>   > >
>   > > Jack H. Xu
>   > > Technology columnist and editor
>   > >
>   > > http://www.usanalyst.com
>   > >
>   > > http://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in North
>   America)
>   > >
>   > > ----- Original Message -----
>   > > From: "Dakota Jack"
>   > > To: "Struts Users Mailing List"
>   > > Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET???
>   > > Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 23:45:41 -0700
>   > >
>   > > >
>   > > > The lines with Struts are in fact less, because you don't have
>   to
>   > > code
>   > > > the framework.
>   > > >
>   > > > On 7/1/05, John Henry Xu wrote:
>   > > > > Rick, you are right that you can write struts using very
>   basic
>   > > text editor.
>   > > > >
>   > > > > My consideation is based on the cost of software 
> development.
>   > > > >
>   > > > > Let's say for the same problem that you tried to solve:
>   before
>   > > > > your code was 1000 lines. Now in struts, your code are 1500
>   lines
>   > > > > (remember those setters and getters and 
> configuration files.)
>   > > > >
>   > > > > Assume you use basic text editor, the time you finish your
>   > > > > project is 1.5 times than before.
>   > > > >
>   > > > > Now if this transfer to many projects, the budget you finish
>   > > > > those projects will be 1.5 times as before.
>   > > > >
>   > > > > Suppose your department used to spend 10 million dollars a
>   year,
>   > > > > now you need 15 million dollars to do the same work.
>   > > > >
>   > > > > So good GUIs to automate repeatable codes are neccessary to
>   cut
>   > > > > those 5 million dollars.
>   > > > >
>   > > > > Jack H. Xu
>   > > > > Technology columnist and editor
>   > > > >
>   > > > > http://www.usanalyst.com
>   > > > >
>   > > > > http://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in
>   North
>   > > America)
>   > > > >
>   > > > >
>   > > > >
>   > > > > ----- Original Message -----
>   > > > > From: "Rick Reumann"
>   > > > > To: "Struts Users Mailing List"
>   > > > > Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET???
>   > > > > Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 15:35:31 -0400
>   > > > >
>   > > > > >
>   > > > > > John Henry Xu wrote the following on 6/30/2005 11:49 PM:
>   > > > > >
>   > > > > > > struts can fit into J2EE structure and it is 
> only part of
>   it.
>   > > And
>   > > > > in
>   > > > > > > my opinion, you better use some GUI tools to develop
>   struts
>   > > > > > > application, otherwise you spend lots of time on getters
>   and
>   > > > > setters.
>   > > > > >
>   > > > > > Well even many of the most basic editors will make get/set
>   > > methods,
>   > > > > > so I wouldn't say you need a GUI Tool at all for coding
>   Struts
>   > > > > > apps. I happen to use IDEA and jEdit, mostly because I'm
>   used
>   > > to
>   > > > > > using them. (Yea I know Eclipse is good also..bla bla..
>   > > everyone
>   > > > > > just use what you like.. emacs, vim, pico, chalkboard,
>   > > whatever:)
>   > > > > > It's just very misleading to state that you need GUI tools
>   to
>   > > > > > create Struts apps.
>   > > > > >
>   > > > > > -- Rick
>   > > > > >
>   > > > > >
>   > > > >
>   > >
>   
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