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Posted to dev@clerezza.apache.org by Minto van der Sluis <mi...@xup.nl> on 2013/03/28 14:02:50 UTC
Porting Gloze to Clerezza
Hi Folks,
Thanks for the warm welcome :-)
One of the things I need on my current assignment is mapping RDF to and
from Xml. I did some research and stumbled upon Gloze [1]. The original
author created a nice paper [2]. Also it appeared it got donated to Jena
back in 2006 [3]. Currently I am strongly thinking about porting Gloze
to Clerezza. I already asked the original author for his consent
(waiting for his reply).
If there is any interest, I am more than happy to donate the results of
porting Gloze.
However, in our line of work 2006 is an awful long time ago. So if you
know of anything similar / better please let me know. It might save me
an awful lot of work, in which case I owe you a beer :-)
[1] https://code.google.com/p/gloze/
[2]
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.88.8929&rep=rep1&type=pdf
[3] https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/jena/Import/Jena-SVN/Gloze/
Regards,
misl
--
ir. ing. Minto van der Sluis
Software innovator / renovator
Xup BV
Mobiel: +31 (0) 626 014541
Re: Porting Gloze to Clerezza
Posted by Reto Bachmann-Gmür <re...@apache.org>.
Hi Minto
I think it would be fine to add the bundle to clerezza as I think it
might be useful for others as well. We should find a way to have the
platform modular so that one can easily add "optional" modules like
CRIS, UIMA.
Cheers,
Reto
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Minto van der Sluis <mi...@xup.nl> wrote:
> Hi.
>
> Let me inform you about my usecase.
>
> We are creating a system for storing annotations. These annotations are
> about errors and ommisions in other systems. Currently I use Clerezza
> and a little layer on top for storing and retrieving these annotations.
> Next on my list is integration with legacy systems using SOAP/XML
> interfaces. This integration is 2-way, pushing triples in and turning
> responses back into triples.
>
> Sure I could write code to extract information from annotation triples
> and populate some xml structure. But to me this approach is too rigid
> and has to be repeated for every legacy system I have to connect to.
> Instead I want to reduce the amount of task specific code as much as
> possible. Looking at what is available right now I could use a rendering
> mechanism to go from triples to xml and xslt to go from xml to triples
> again. However I mostly favour symmetric solutions (same technology used
> in both directions) since they easy the maintenance burden and lower the
> learning curve.
>
> I think I found the right building blocks to achieve a symmetric
> solution. However, it still does require some serious effort by me to
> get it working. These building blocks are Stanbol rules for rdf <--> rdf
> conversions (---1--> ) and Gloze for xml <--> rdf conversions (---1-->
> ). With these I can achieve the following:
>
> Annotation RDF ---1--> Legacy system RDF ---2--> legacy system xml
>
> and
>
> Legacy system xml ---2--> Legacy system RDF ---1--> Annotation RDF
>
> Most probably I am going to work in this for the coming weeks, unless my
> manager pulls me back ;-)
>
> Whether or not Gloze would fit to be part of Clerezza I am not sure. But
> that's a decision I leave up to you guys ;-)
>
> Regards,
>
> Minto
>
> --
> ir. ing. Minto van der Sluis
> Software innovator / renovator
> Xup BV
>
> Op 28-3-2013 17:46, Reto Bachmann-Gmür schreef:
>> Hi Minto,
>>
>> I have to admit that I'm not much into XML. I'm surpised that I don't find
>> any reference to GRDDL in the paper. IIUC GRDDL is just one way why Gloze
>> is bidirectional.
>>
>> Is there a concrete usecase you see for Gloze in Clerezza? Could it
>> possibly be used as an alternative rendering mechanism (mapping RDF to
>> xhtml)?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Reto
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Minto van der Sluis <mi...@xup.nl> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Folks,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the warm welcome :-)
>>>
>>> One of the things I need on my current assignment is mapping RDF to and
>>> from Xml. I did some research and stumbled upon Gloze [1]. The original
>>> author created a nice paper [2]. Also it appeared it got donated to Jena
>>> back in 2006 [3]. Currently I am strongly thinking about porting Gloze
>>> to Clerezza. I already asked the original author for his consent
>>> (waiting for his reply).
>>>
>>> If there is any interest, I am more than happy to donate the results of
>>> porting Gloze.
>>>
>>> However, in our line of work 2006 is an awful long time ago. So if you
>>> know of anything similar / better please let me know. It might save me
>>> an awful lot of work, in which case I owe you a beer :-)
>>>
>>> [1] https://code.google.com/p/gloze/
>>> [2]
>>>
>>> http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.88.8929&rep=rep1&type=pdf
>>> [3] https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/jena/Import/Jena-SVN/Gloze/
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> misl
>>>
>>> --
>>> ir. ing. Minto van der Sluis
>>> Software innovator / renovator
>>> Xup BV
>>>
>>> Mobiel: +31 (0) 626 014541
>>>
>>>
>
Re: Porting Gloze to Clerezza
Posted by Minto van der Sluis <mi...@xup.nl>.
Hi.
Let me inform you about my usecase.
We are creating a system for storing annotations. These annotations are
about errors and ommisions in other systems. Currently I use Clerezza
and a little layer on top for storing and retrieving these annotations.
Next on my list is integration with legacy systems using SOAP/XML
interfaces. This integration is 2-way, pushing triples in and turning
responses back into triples.
Sure I could write code to extract information from annotation triples
and populate some xml structure. But to me this approach is too rigid
and has to be repeated for every legacy system I have to connect to.
Instead I want to reduce the amount of task specific code as much as
possible. Looking at what is available right now I could use a rendering
mechanism to go from triples to xml and xslt to go from xml to triples
again. However I mostly favour symmetric solutions (same technology used
in both directions) since they easy the maintenance burden and lower the
learning curve.
I think I found the right building blocks to achieve a symmetric
solution. However, it still does require some serious effort by me to
get it working. These building blocks are Stanbol rules for rdf <--> rdf
conversions (---1--> ) and Gloze for xml <--> rdf conversions (---1-->
). With these I can achieve the following:
Annotation RDF ---1--> Legacy system RDF ---2--> legacy system xml
and
Legacy system xml ---2--> Legacy system RDF ---1--> Annotation RDF
Most probably I am going to work in this for the coming weeks, unless my
manager pulls me back ;-)
Whether or not Gloze would fit to be part of Clerezza I am not sure. But
that's a decision I leave up to you guys ;-)
Regards,
Minto
--
ir. ing. Minto van der Sluis
Software innovator / renovator
Xup BV
Op 28-3-2013 17:46, Reto Bachmann-Gmür schreef:
> Hi Minto,
>
> I have to admit that I'm not much into XML. I'm surpised that I don't find
> any reference to GRDDL in the paper. IIUC GRDDL is just one way why Gloze
> is bidirectional.
>
> Is there a concrete usecase you see for Gloze in Clerezza? Could it
> possibly be used as an alternative rendering mechanism (mapping RDF to
> xhtml)?
>
> Cheers,
> Reto
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Minto van der Sluis <mi...@xup.nl> wrote:
>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> Thanks for the warm welcome :-)
>>
>> One of the things I need on my current assignment is mapping RDF to and
>> from Xml. I did some research and stumbled upon Gloze [1]. The original
>> author created a nice paper [2]. Also it appeared it got donated to Jena
>> back in 2006 [3]. Currently I am strongly thinking about porting Gloze
>> to Clerezza. I already asked the original author for his consent
>> (waiting for his reply).
>>
>> If there is any interest, I am more than happy to donate the results of
>> porting Gloze.
>>
>> However, in our line of work 2006 is an awful long time ago. So if you
>> know of anything similar / better please let me know. It might save me
>> an awful lot of work, in which case I owe you a beer :-)
>>
>> [1] https://code.google.com/p/gloze/
>> [2]
>>
>> http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.88.8929&rep=rep1&type=pdf
>> [3] https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/jena/Import/Jena-SVN/Gloze/
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> misl
>>
>> --
>> ir. ing. Minto van der Sluis
>> Software innovator / renovator
>> Xup BV
>>
>> Mobiel: +31 (0) 626 014541
>>
>>
Re: Porting Gloze to Clerezza
Posted by Danny Ayers <da...@gmail.com>.
On 28 March 2013 17:46, Reto Bachmann-Gmür <re...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi Minto,
>
> I have to admit that I'm not much into XML. I'm surpised that I don't find
> any reference to GRDDL in the paper. IIUC GRDDL is just one way why Gloze
> is bidirectional.
Most of the XML -> RDF converters I've seen use XSLT, see for example -
http://www.jenitennison.com/blog/node/142
(there are a load more XSLTs linked from
https://delicious.com/danja/search?p=xslt )
GRDDL typically uses XSLT (because it's the only concrete approach
defined in the spec) but there's a slight conceptual difference to
arbitrary XML in that a GRDDL-compatible doc contains a reference
(possibly very indirect) to the necessary transformation. So in a
sense the XML doc *is* an RDF doc.
I'm not familiar with Gloze, can't comment on the
bidirectionality/rendering capabilities there. XSLT on RDF/XML tends
to be very painful because of the number of different ways things can
be expressed.
Cheers,
Danny.
--
http://dannyayers.com
http://webbeep.it - text to tones and back again
Re: Porting Gloze to Clerezza
Posted by Reto Bachmann-Gmür <re...@apache.org>.
Hi Minto,
I have to admit that I'm not much into XML. I'm surpised that I don't find
any reference to GRDDL in the paper. IIUC GRDDL is just one way why Gloze
is bidirectional.
Is there a concrete usecase you see for Gloze in Clerezza? Could it
possibly be used as an alternative rendering mechanism (mapping RDF to
xhtml)?
Cheers,
Reto
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Minto van der Sluis <mi...@xup.nl> wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> Thanks for the warm welcome :-)
>
> One of the things I need on my current assignment is mapping RDF to and
> from Xml. I did some research and stumbled upon Gloze [1]. The original
> author created a nice paper [2]. Also it appeared it got donated to Jena
> back in 2006 [3]. Currently I am strongly thinking about porting Gloze
> to Clerezza. I already asked the original author for his consent
> (waiting for his reply).
>
> If there is any interest, I am more than happy to donate the results of
> porting Gloze.
>
> However, in our line of work 2006 is an awful long time ago. So if you
> know of anything similar / better please let me know. It might save me
> an awful lot of work, in which case I owe you a beer :-)
>
> [1] https://code.google.com/p/gloze/
> [2]
>
> http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.88.8929&rep=rep1&type=pdf
> [3] https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/jena/Import/Jena-SVN/Gloze/
>
> Regards,
>
> misl
>
> --
> ir. ing. Minto van der Sluis
> Software innovator / renovator
> Xup BV
>
> Mobiel: +31 (0) 626 014541
>
>