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Posted to general@jakarta.apache.org by Jon Stevens <jo...@latchkey.com> on 2001/10/24 23:41:04 UTC
[OT] Microsoft Sets Tolls for .Net Developers
Why am I not surprised?
The funny thing is that even in this down economy and with all the free
(better?) alternatives that are out there, people will actually still pay
for this stuff!
We should put a paypal link on the Jakarta homepage and donate the money to
AIDS research or some other worthy cause.
-jon
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Link: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/10/24/010249
Posted by: michael, on 2001-10-24 11:40:44
Topic: ms, 153 comments
from the firstborn-son-comes-later dept.
matsh writes: "Today Microsoft [1]revealed the cost of signing up as a
developer to .Net. Entry level is $1,000. Standard level $10,000.
Custom support will cost even more."
References
1. http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-7629784.html
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Re: [OT] Microsoft Sets Tolls for .Net Developers
Posted by Jonathan Reichhold <jd...@gte.net>.
The assertion that this isn't a toll on development is not correct. If you develop software you need to test it against production
boxes for compatibility. As soon as you want to test a program you need to pay Microsoft. Sure the development kit is free, but as
soon as I want to test out some nifty functionality (and test for bugs) I have to pay $1000/year and $250 per application. MS could
easily set up development versions of the servers and give developers free access to test against them. I really don't feel I
should pay for testing against an automated system unless I'm putting a severe burden on that system (say a load test or calling for
support).
If you actually read the article it doesn't state that the fee is for production code to use the servers. It is reasonable to
charge for accessing servers in production environments, but charging developers for things they may never release publicly is a tax
on development.
How many "nifty" open source projects will never happen if .NET succeeds? Which open source project has this kind of money to spend
for Microsoft programs?
Jonathan
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From: "Avi Cherry" <al...@insomniaque.net>
To: <ge...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 3:57 AM
Subject: Re: [OT] Microsoft Sets Tolls for .Net Developers
> At 2:41 PM -0700 10/24/01, Jon Stevens wrote:
> >Why am I not surprised?
> >
> >The funny thing is that even in this down economy and with all the free
> >(better?) alternatives that are out there, people will actually still pay
> >for this stuff!
> >
> >We should put a paypal link on the Jakarta homepage and donate the money to
> >AIDS research or some other worthy cause.
>
> (Disclaimer: I don't develop for Microsoft platforms. I barely know
> anything about .Net. I'm personally rather unfond of Microsoft)
>
> Sorry, Jon, if you bothered to even read the story that you
> referenced (http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-7629784.html) you
> would know the headline [...the cost of signing up as a developer to
> .Net Entry level is $1,000...] is simply untrue. These costs are to
> have your applications listed on the .Net My Services. Basically, if
> you want your application listed and hosted by Microsoft, this is the
> fee that you have to pay. Anybody can download the .Net SDK and use
> whatever tools they want to create .Net applications. This story has
> been going around ALL of the 'usual sources' (slashdot, etc...).
> Personally, I don't think I will touch .Net unless I get very
> desperate, but I feel I need to set the record straight when I hear
> people spread untruths like this, even when it's about something I
> consider the 'opposition'.
>
> Avi
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Re: [OT] Microsoft Sets Tolls for .Net Developers
Posted by Avi Cherry <al...@insomniaque.net>.
At 2:41 PM -0700 10/24/01, Jon Stevens wrote:
>Why am I not surprised?
>
>The funny thing is that even in this down economy and with all the free
>(better?) alternatives that are out there, people will actually still pay
>for this stuff!
>
>We should put a paypal link on the Jakarta homepage and donate the money to
>AIDS research or some other worthy cause.
(Disclaimer: I don't develop for Microsoft platforms. I barely know
anything about .Net. I'm personally rather unfond of Microsoft)
Sorry, Jon, if you bothered to even read the story that you
referenced (http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-7629784.html) you
would know the headline [...the cost of signing up as a developer to
.Net Entry level is $1,000...] is simply untrue. These costs are to
have your applications listed on the .Net My Services. Basically, if
you want your application listed and hosted by Microsoft, this is the
fee that you have to pay. Anybody can download the .Net SDK and use
whatever tools they want to create .Net applications. This story has
been going around ALL of the 'usual sources' (slashdot, etc...).
Personally, I don't think I will touch .Net unless I get very
desperate, but I feel I need to set the record straight when I hear
people spread untruths like this, even when it's about something I
consider the 'opposition'.
Avi
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Re: [OT] Microsoft Sets Tolls for .Net Developers
Posted by Matt Egyhazy <mw...@virginia.edu>.
unfortunately, there is an entire class of developer that can only build
software using microsoft tools.
microsoft has moved into .edu territory and is giving away their tools for
free. the kids are becoming attached to them.
matt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Stevens" <jo...@latchkey.com>
To: <ge...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 5:41 PM
Subject: [OT] Microsoft Sets Tolls for .Net Developers
> Why am I not surprised?
>
> The funny thing is that even in this down economy and with all the free
> (better?) alternatives that are out there, people will actually still pay
> for this stuff!
>
> We should put a paypal link on the Jakarta homepage and donate the money
to
> AIDS research or some other worthy cause.
>
> -jon
>
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>
> Link: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/10/24/010249
> Posted by: michael, on 2001-10-24 11:40:44
> Topic: ms, 153 comments
>
> from the firstborn-son-comes-later dept.
> matsh writes: "Today Microsoft [1]revealed the cost of signing up as a
> developer to .Net. Entry level is $1,000. Standard level $10,000.
> Custom support will cost even more."
>
> References
>
> 1. http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-7629784.html
>
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Re: [OT] Microsoft Sets Tolls for .Net Developers
Posted by James Strachan <ja...@yahoo.co.uk>.
Agreed. I've also been suprised by the recent rise in FUD thats coming our
way...
http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-10-2001/jw-1019-iw-netvsjava.html?
A nice MS marketting strategy seems to be comparing .Net to EJBs rather than
to Java (or Servlets or JAXM or whatnot). Hardly a fair or useful
comparison. .Net still seems to use COM under the covers anyways so COM v
EJB or .NET v. Java seems more sensible but then I suppose thats the point
of FUD afterall.
James
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Stevens" <jo...@latchkey.com>
To: <ge...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 10:41 PM
Subject: [OT] Microsoft Sets Tolls for .Net Developers
> Why am I not surprised?
>
> The funny thing is that even in this down economy and with all the free
> (better?) alternatives that are out there, people will actually still pay
> for this stuff!
>
> We should put a paypal link on the Jakarta homepage and donate the money
to
> AIDS research or some other worthy cause.
>
> -jon
>
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>
> Link: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/10/24/010249
> Posted by: michael, on 2001-10-24 11:40:44
> Topic: ms, 153 comments
>
> from the firstborn-son-comes-later dept.
> matsh writes: "Today Microsoft [1]revealed the cost of signing up as a
> developer to .Net. Entry level is $1,000. Standard level $10,000.
> Custom support will cost even more."
>
> References
>
> 1. http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-7629784.html
>
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Re: [OT] Microsoft Sets Tolls for .Net Developers
Posted by "Kevin A. Burton" <bu...@openprivacy.org>.
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Jon Stevens <jo...@latchkey.com> writes:
> Why am I not surprised?
>
> The funny thing is that even in this down economy and with all the free
> (better?) alternatives that are out there, people will actually still pay for
> this stuff!
>
> We should put a paypal link on the Jakarta homepage and donate the money to
> AIDS research or some other worthy cause.
<snip>
How about the EFF?? I would think this is the best cause epecially for this
community.
The EFF has a paypal account setup and they have a CGI based API for doing this
type of purchase. At the end it would redirect to the download page of your
choice.
Kevin
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Re: [OT] Microsoft Sets Tolls for .Net Developers
Posted by Pier Fumagalli <pi...@betaversion.org>.
Jon Stevens at jon@latchkey.com wrote:
> We should put a paypal link on the Jakarta homepage and donate the money to
> AIDS research or some other worthy cause.
That would be a good idea...
Pier
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