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Posted to general@attic.apache.org by jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com> on 2018/02/06 11:01:10 UTC
project ACE.
Project ACE is now finally retired (I had some severe problems with git
pull requests, but Infra saw my pain and helped me).
I have added
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-15994
Sorry for the delay, but I am actually in bed with a severe cold (that
comes from living in southern Spain).
have a nice day
rgds
jan I.
Re: project ACE.
Posted by "Henk P. Penning" <pe...@uu.nl>.
On Tue, 6 Feb 2018, jan iversen wrote:
> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2018 13:20:23 +0100
> From: jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com>
> To: general@attic.apache.org
> Subject: Re: project ACE.
>
> Hi again.
>
> Could you possibly provide a clue to what is the problem with delta cloud,
> just had a look on web site / comedy etc, and it seems ok ?
... clutter in /dist/deltacloud :
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/deltacloud/
I'll file a jira, asking to replace dist/deltacloud/* by a .htaccess
> jan I
Groeten,
HPP
> On 6 February 2018 at 12:50, jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Tue, 6 Feb 2018 at 12:40, Henk P. Penning <pe...@uu.nl> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 6 Feb 2018, jan iversen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2018 12:01:10 +0100
>>>> From: jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com>
>>>> To: general@attic.apache.org
>>>> Subject: project ACE.
>>>
>>> Hi Jan,
>>>
>>>> Project ACE is now finally retired
>>>
>>>> Sorry for the delay, but I am actually in bed with a severe cold (that
>>>> comes from living in southern Spain).
>>>
>>> Please take a look (if you can :-) at
>>>
>>> https://checker.apache.org/
>>
>> llooks quite good, and is an excellent helper to check if something is
>> forgotten.
>>
>>> <https://checker.apache.org/>
>>>
>>> I've added some attic related info :
>>>
>>> 1. Under "other projects" : a RedStar flags an attic'ed project.
>>
>> that is usefull
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [ I think it looks a bit messy ; too much old stuff in /dist/ ;
>>> Shouldn't we remove /dist/atticked_project/ after
>>> some suitable interval ; 1, 2, 3 or 5 years ?
>>> ]
>>
>> I would opt for 5 years, but I would really like to hear other opinions.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2. under "attic'ed projects" : a RedStar flags a project
>>> with more than 1 file.
>>
>> I do not understand what more than 1 file means,
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 'ace' will become "unstarred" once INFRA-15994 is done
>>> -- 'deltacloud' is todo,
>>
>> right ?
>>
>> it is now :-) I will check that later
>>
>>> -- for project 'xml' I'll file a jira like :
>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-15994
>>
>> yes please
>>
>>> <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-15994>
>>>
>>>> jan I.
>>>
>>> Groeten,
>>>
>>> Henk Penning
>>>
>>> PS To get the "attic'ed" project list, I parse
>>>
>>> svn ls https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/attic/site/docs/projects
>>>
>>> stripping '.html', and ignoring entries with a '-' ;
>>> is there a better way ?
>>
>> I normally use the xdocs directory that is xml and easier to parse.
>>
>> thanks for your help
>> rgds
>> jan i
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> HPP
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ _
>>> Henk P. Penning, ICT-beta R Uithof MG-403 _/ \_
>>> Faculty of Science, Utrecht University T +31 30 253 4106 / \_/ \
>>> Leuvenlaan 4, 3584CE Utrecht, NL F +31 30 253 4553 \_/ \_/
>>> http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~penni101/ M penning@uu.nl \_/
>>>
>> --
>> Sent from My iPad, sorry for any misspellings.
>>
>
------------------------------------------------------------ _
Henk P. Penning, ICT-beta R Uithof MG-403 _/ \_
Faculty of Science, Utrecht University T +31 30 253 4106 / \_/ \
Leuvenlaan 4, 3584CE Utrecht, NL F +31 30 253 4553 \_/ \_/
http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~penni101/ M penning@uu.nl \_/
Re: project ACE.
Posted by jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com>.
Hi again.
Could you possibly provide a clue to what is the problem with delta cloud,
just had a look on web site / comedy etc, and it seems ok ?
rgds
jan I
On 6 February 2018 at 12:50, jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 6 Feb 2018 at 12:40, Henk P. Penning <pe...@uu.nl> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 6 Feb 2018, jan iversen wrote:
>>
>> > Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2018 12:01:10 +0100
>> > From: jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com>
>> > To: general@attic.apache.org
>> > Subject: project ACE.
>>
>> Hi Jan,
>>
>> > Project ACE is now finally retired
>>
>> > Sorry for the delay, but I am actually in bed with a severe cold (that
>> > comes from living in southern Spain).
>>
>> Please take a look (if you can :-) at
>>
>> https://checker.apache.org/
>
> llooks quite good, and is an excellent helper to check if something is
> forgotten.
>
>> <https://checker.apache.org/>
>>
>> I've added some attic related info :
>>
>> 1. Under "other projects" : a RedStar flags an attic'ed project.
>
> that is usefull
>
>>
>>
>> [ I think it looks a bit messy ; too much old stuff in /dist/ ;
>> Shouldn't we remove /dist/atticked_project/ after
>> some suitable interval ; 1, 2, 3 or 5 years ?
>> ]
>
> I would opt for 5 years, but I would really like to hear other opinions.
>
>>
>>
>> 2. under "attic'ed projects" : a RedStar flags a project
>> with more than 1 file.
>
> I do not understand what more than 1 file means,
>
>>
>>
>> -- 'ace' will become "unstarred" once INFRA-15994 is done
>> -- 'deltacloud' is todo,
>
> right ?
>
> it is now :-) I will check that later
>
>> -- for project 'xml' I'll file a jira like :
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-15994
>
> yes please
>
>> <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-15994>
>>
>> > jan I.
>>
>> Groeten,
>>
>> Henk Penning
>>
>> PS To get the "attic'ed" project list, I parse
>>
>> svn ls https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/attic/site/docs/projects
>>
>> stripping '.html', and ignoring entries with a '-' ;
>> is there a better way ?
>
> I normally use the xdocs directory that is xml and easier to parse.
>
> thanks for your help
> rgds
> jan i
>
>>
>>
>> HPP
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------ _
>> Henk P. Penning, ICT-beta R Uithof MG-403 _/ \_
>> Faculty of Science, Utrecht University T +31 30 253 4106 / \_/ \
>> Leuvenlaan 4, 3584CE Utrecht, NL F +31 30 253 4553 \_/ \_/
>> http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~penni101/ M penning@uu.nl \_/
>>
> --
> Sent from My iPad, sorry for any misspellings.
>
Re: project ACE.
Posted by Mads Toftum <ma...@toftum.dk>.
On Tue, Feb 06, 2018 at 01:26:15PM +0100, Henk P. Penning wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Feb 2018, jan iversen wrote:
> >I would opt for 5 years, but I would really like to hear other opinions.
>
> I vote for 3 years.
>
Yeah, 3 years seem long enough.
vh
Mads Toftum
--
http://flickr.com/photos/q42/
Re: project ACE.
Posted by "Henk P. Penning" <pe...@uu.nl>.
On Tue, 6 Feb 2018, jan iversen wrote:
> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2018 12:50:09 +0100
> From: jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com>
> To: general@attic.apache.org
> Subject: Re: project ACE.
>
> On Tue, 6 Feb 2018 at 12:40, Henk P. Penning <pe...@uu.nl> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 6 Feb 2018, jan iversen wrote:
>>
>>> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2018 12:01:10 +0100
>>> From: jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com>
>>> To: general@attic.apache.org
>>> Subject: project ACE.
>> [ I think it looks a bit messy ; too much old stuff in /dist/ ;
>> Shouldn't we remove /dist/atticked_project/ after
>> some suitable interval ; 1, 2, 3 or 5 years ?
>> ]
>
> I would opt for 5 years, but I would really like to hear other opinions.
I vote for 3 years.
>> 2. under "attic'ed projects" : a RedStar flags a project
>> with more than 1 file.
>
> I do not understand what more than 1 file means,
An attic'ed project should have 1 file :
dist/PROJ/.htaccess
>> PS To get the "attic'ed" project list, I parse
>>
>> svn ls https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/attic/site/docs/projects
> I normally use the xdocs directory that is xml and easier to parse.
Thanks ; I'll take a look ; I was hoping for a json :
[ { path : $path
, date : ...
, time : ...
, ...
}
, ...
]
... if it can be automated.
> jan i
Regards,
HPP
------------------------------------------------------------ _
Henk P. Penning, ICT-beta R Uithof MG-403 _/ \_
Faculty of Science, Utrecht University T +31 30 253 4106 / \_/ \
Leuvenlaan 4, 3584CE Utrecht, NL F +31 30 253 4553 \_/ \_/
http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~penni101/ M penning@uu.nl \_/
Re: Remove old projects (more than 4 year in ATTIC)
Posted by jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 at 21:26, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 15 February 2018 at 20:16, jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 at 20:43, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 15 February 2018 at 18:31, jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> > On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 at 19:24, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On 15 February 2018 at 13:11, jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> > On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 at 12:05, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Just in case it is not obvious, I am -1 to the removal of the
> >> >> >> .htaccess files under old retired TLPs UNLESS another way is
> found to
> >> >> >> continue to redirect users.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > To me it was not obvious before I saw your comment on the ticket.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Also, I feel a fundamental change such as this should be
> discussed in
> >> >> >> a separate thread, rather than buried deep in an another thread
> about
> >> >> >> project ACE.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > That is a very valid point, and nothing is stopping you from
> opening a
> >> >> > separate thread.
> >> >>
> >> >> Ideally the person wishing to change the status quo should do this.
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Let me try to sum up.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Henk prefers to remove the directories and the .htaccess files
> >> >> > Sebb is against removal (unless it is kept in another form)
> >> >> > I have no strong opinion, but have given my +1 in favour of Henk.
> >> >> >4
> >> >> > I would of course prefer a solution where we have consensus, and
> thus
> >> >> urge
> >> >> > Henk/Sebb to try and find that.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Any other opinions or comments ? If not majority “wins” and the
> ticket
> >> >> will
> >> >> > be reopened sometime next week.
> >> >>
> >> >> Sorry, but I don't think the vote is valid in its present form.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Who speak about vote ? I did not call a vote, voting is not demanded
> for
> >> > technical matters, only when electing new committers/PMC and changing
> >> chair
> >> > (even in these cases consensus is generally accepted).
> >> >
> >> > Technical matters are decided by discussion and preferable consensus.
> >> >
> >> > iin case you feel a vote is demanded, please pass a pointer to the
> >> relevant
> >> > bylaw.
> >>
> >> I regard the proposal as akin to a code change, as it affects the
> >> behaviour of various systems
> >> As such, it is subject to veto:
> >>
> >>
> https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html#votes-on-code-modification
> >
> >
> > so in your mind all changes in ATTIC needs a vote, not a very open
> > suggestion.
> > (because everything we do affect somebody).
>
> That's not what I said.
>
> >
> >> > rgds
> >> > jan I
> >> >
> >> > ps. you jumped over the more relevant part, where I urge you and Henk
> to
> >> > achieve consensus.
> >>
> >> Fine, but this needs to be done in a separate thread.
> >
> > Well If you want that then start that thread....you cannot expect others
> to
> > do that just because you want it, consensus seeking is a two way street.
>
> The person seeking to make a change is the person who is responsible
> for starting the thread.
> I could start the thread, but I will frame it differently.
>
> > As I said earlier I have no strong opinions here, but I do expect all
> > participants of this list to try and avoid conflicts and instead seek
> > consensus....so again, you are the one with a different opinion, so
> please
> > help find consensus instead of telling what (others) need to do.
>
> Yet it's OK for you to tell me that I need to start the thread?
No that is entirely your choise, I am merely suggesting it, as a way to
find consensus.
Please do not forget we did have emails going in the ACE project thread,
which seemed fine (at least for me), I renamed the thread based on your
suggestion.
I am not going to waste more energy on this theme, where all I seeked was
to get consensus between Henk and you.
rgds
jan I
>
> > rgds
> > jan I
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> > have a nice weekend.
> >> >> > rgds
> >> >> > jan i
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On 14 February 2018 at 14:52, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> > On 14 February 2018 at 12:55, Henk P. Penning <pe...@uu.nl>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 14 Feb 2018, jan iversen wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 13:07:56 +0100
> >> >> >> >>> From: jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com>
> >> >> >> >>> To: general@attic.apache.org
> >> >> >> >>> Subject: Re: project ACE.
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 at 10:16, Henk P. Penning <pe...@uu.nl>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>>> If there are no objections, I'll ask infra to
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>> svn rm https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/XXX
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>> for XXX = hivemind shale beehive ibatis excalibur harmony
> >> >> >> >>>> jakarta xml esme stdcxx xmlbeans
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> +1
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Thanks.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>> Solely out of curiosi
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=%3E%3E+%3E%3E+%3E%3E%3E+Solely+out+of+curiosi&entry=gmail&source=g>ty,
> do you know approx. how much space it
> >> will
> >> >> >> free ?
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Absolutely nothing :-) These projs only have
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> /dist/XXX/.htaccess
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > If this is removed, I think it should be rep
> >> <
> https://maps.google.com/?q=emoved,+I+think+it+should+be+rep&entry=gmail&source=g
> >laced
> >> with a redirect to
> >> >> >> > the archives.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> I just want to unclutter /dist/ ; and consequently, for
> >> instance :
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> https://checker.apache.org/
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Surely you can check for .htaccess and ignore the folder
> >> accordingly?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>> Jan i
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Thanks ; regards,
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> HPP
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------
> _
> >> >> >> >> Henk P. Penning, ICT-beta R Uithof MG-403
> _/ \_
> >> >> >> >> Faculty of Science, Utrecht University T +31 30 253 4106 /
> \_/
> >> \
> >> >> >> >> Leuvenlaan 4, 3584CE Utrecht, NL F +31 30 253 4553 \_/
> >> \_/
> >> >> >> >> http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~penni101/ M penning@uu.nl
> \_/
> >> >> >>
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > Sent from My iPad, sorry for any misspellings.
> >> >>
> >> > --
> >> > Sent from My iPad, sorry for any misspellings.
> >>
> > --
> > Sent from My iPad, sorry for any misspellings.
>
--
Sent from My iPad, sorry for any misspellings.
Re: Remove old projects (more than 4 year in ATTIC)
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On 15 February 2018 at 20:16, jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 at 20:43, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 15 February 2018 at 18:31, jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 at 19:24, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 15 February 2018 at 13:11, jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> > On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 at 12:05, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Just in case it is not obvious, I am -1 to the removal of the
>> >> >> .htaccess files under old retired TLPs UNLESS another way is found to
>> >> >> continue to redirect users.
>> >> >
>> >> > To me it was not obvious before I saw your comment on the ticket.
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Also, I feel a fundamental change such as this should be discussed in
>> >> >> a separate thread, rather than buried deep in an another thread about
>> >> >> project ACE.
>> >> >
>> >> > That is a very valid point, and nothing is stopping you from opening a
>> >> > separate thread.
>> >>
>> >> Ideally the person wishing to change the status quo should do this.
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Let me try to sum up.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Henk prefers to remove the directories and the .htaccess files
>> >> > Sebb is against removal (unless it is kept in another form)
>> >> > I have no strong opinion, but have given my +1 in favour of Henk.
>> >> >4
>> >> > I would of course prefer a solution where we have consensus, and thus
>> >> urge
>> >> > Henk/Sebb to try and find that.
>> >> >
>> >> > Any other opinions or comments ? If not majority “wins” and the ticket
>> >> will
>> >> > be reopened sometime next week.
>> >>
>> >> Sorry, but I don't think the vote is valid in its present form.
>> >
>> >
>> > Who speak about vote ? I did not call a vote, voting is not demanded for
>> > technical matters, only when electing new committers/PMC and changing
>> chair
>> > (even in these cases consensus is generally accepted).
>> >
>> > Technical matters are decided by discussion and preferable consensus.
>> >
>> > iin case you feel a vote is demanded, please pass a pointer to the
>> relevant
>> > bylaw.
>>
>> I regard the proposal as akin to a code change, as it affects the
>> behaviour of various systems
>> As such, it is subject to veto:
>>
>> https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html#votes-on-code-modification
>
>
> so in your mind all changes in ATTIC needs a vote, not a very open
> suggestion.
> (because everything we do affect somebody).
That's not what I said.
>
>> > rgds
>> > jan I
>> >
>> > ps. you jumped over the more relevant part, where I urge you and Henk to
>> > achieve consensus.
>>
>> Fine, but this needs to be done in a separate thread.
>
> Well If you want that then start that thread....you cannot expect others to
> do that just because you want it, consensus seeking is a two way street.
The person seeking to make a change is the person who is responsible
for starting the thread.
I could start the thread, but I will frame it differently.
> As I said earlier I have no strong opinions here, but I do expect all
> participants of this list to try and avoid conflicts and instead seek
> consensus....so again, you are the one with a different opinion, so please
> help find consensus instead of telling what (others) need to do.
Yet it's OK for you to tell me that I need to start the thread?
> rgds
> jan I
>
>>
>>
>> >
>> >>
>> >> > have a nice weekend.
>> >> > rgds
>> >> > jan i
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 14 February 2018 at 14:52, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> > On 14 February 2018 at 12:55, Henk P. Penning <pe...@uu.nl>
>> wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Wed, 14 Feb 2018, jan iversen wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 13:07:56 +0100
>> >> >> >>> From: jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com>
>> >> >> >>> To: general@attic.apache.org
>> >> >> >>> Subject: Re: project ACE.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 at 10:16, Henk P. Penning <pe...@uu.nl>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>> If there are no objections, I'll ask infra to
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>> svn rm https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/XXX
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>> for XXX = hivemind shale beehive ibatis excalibur harmony
>> >> >> >>>> jakarta xml esme stdcxx xmlbeans
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> +1
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Thanks.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>> Solely out of curiosity, do you know approx. how much space it
>> will
>> >> >> free ?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Absolutely nothing :-) These projs only have
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> /dist/XXX/.htaccess
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > If this is removed, I think it should be rep
>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=emoved,+I+think+it+should+be+rep&entry=gmail&source=g>laced
>> with a redirect to
>> >> >> > the archives.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> I just want to unclutter /dist/ ; and consequently, for
>> instance :
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> https://checker.apache.org/
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Surely you can check for .htaccess and ignore the folder
>> accordingly?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>> Jan i
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Thanks ; regards,
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> HPP
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ _
>> >> >> >> Henk P. Penning, ICT-beta R Uithof MG-403 _/ \_
>> >> >> >> Faculty of Science, Utrecht University T +31 30 253 4106 / \_/
>> \
>> >> >> >> Leuvenlaan 4, 3584CE Utrecht, NL F +31 30 253 4553 \_/
>> \_/
>> >> >> >> http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~penni101/ M penning@uu.nl \_/
>> >> >>
>> >> > --
>> >> > Sent from My iPad, sorry for any misspellings.
>> >>
>> > --
>> > Sent from My iPad, sorry for any misspellings.
>>
> --
> Sent from My iPad, sorry for any misspellings.
Re: Remove old projects (more than 4 year in ATTIC)
Posted by jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 at 20:43, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 15 February 2018 at 18:31, jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 at 19:24, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 15 February 2018 at 13:11, jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> > On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 at 12:05, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Just in case it is not obvious, I am -1 to the removal of the
> >> >> .htaccess files under old retired TLPs UNLESS another way is found to
> >> >> continue to redirect users.
> >> >
> >> > To me it was not obvious before I saw your comment on the ticket.
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Also, I feel a fundamental change such as this should be discussed in
> >> >> a separate thread, rather than buried deep in an another thread about
> >> >> project ACE.
> >> >
> >> > That is a very valid point, and nothing is stopping you from opening a
> >> > separate thread.
> >>
> >> Ideally the person wishing to change the status quo should do this.
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Let me try to sum up.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Henk prefers to remove the directories and the .htaccess files
> >> > Sebb is against removal (unless it is kept in another form)
> >> > I have no strong opinion, but have given my +1 in favour of Henk.
> >> >4
> >> > I would of course prefer a solution where we have consensus, and thus
> >> urge
> >> > Henk/Sebb to try and find that.
> >> >
> >> > Any other opinions or comments ? If not majority “wins” and the ticket
> >> will
> >> > be reopened sometime next week.
> >>
> >> Sorry, but I don't think the vote is valid in its present form.
> >
> >
> > Who speak about vote ? I did not call a vote, voting is not demanded for
> > technical matters, only when electing new committers/PMC and changing
> chair
> > (even in these cases consensus is generally accepted).
> >
> > Technical matters are decided by discussion and preferable consensus.
> >
> > iin case you feel a vote is demanded, please pass a pointer to the
> relevant
> > bylaw.
>
> I regard the proposal as akin to a code change, as it affects the
> behaviour of various systems
> As such, it is subject to veto:
>
> https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html#votes-on-code-modification
so in your mind all changes in ATTIC needs a vote, not a very open
suggestion.
(because everything we do affect somebody).
> > rgds
> > jan I
> >
> > ps. you jumped over the more relevant part, where I urge you and Henk to
> > achieve consensus.
>
> Fine, but this needs to be done in a separate thread.
Well If you want that then start that thread....you cannot expect others to
do that just because you want it, consensus seeking is a two way street.
As I said earlier I have no strong opinions here, but I do expect all
participants of this list to try and avoid conflicts and instead seek
consensus....so again, you are the one with a different opinion, so please
help find consensus instead of telling what (others) need to do.
rgds
jan I
>
>
> >
> >>
> >> > have a nice weekend.
> >> > rgds
> >> > jan i
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On 14 February 2018 at 14:52, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > On 14 February 2018 at 12:55, Henk P. Penning <pe...@uu.nl>
> wrote:
> >> >> >> On Wed, 14 Feb 2018, jan iversen wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 13:07:56 +0100
> >> >> >>> From: jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com>
> >> >> >>> To: general@attic.apache.org
> >> >> >>> Subject: Re: project ACE.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 at 10:16, Henk P. Penning <pe...@uu.nl>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>>> If there are no objections, I'll ask infra to
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> svn rm https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/XXX
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> for XXX = hivemind shale beehive ibatis excalibur harmony
> >> >> >>>> jakarta xml esme stdcxx xmlbeans
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> +1
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Thanks.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>> Solely out of curiosity, do you know approx. how much space it
> will
> >> >> free ?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Absolutely nothing :-) These projs only have
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> /dist/XXX/.htaccess
> >> >> >
> >> >> > If this is removed, I think it should be rep
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=emoved,+I+think+it+should+be+rep&entry=gmail&source=g>laced
> with a redirect to
> >> >> > the archives.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> I just want to unclutter /dist/ ; and consequently, for
> instance :
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> https://checker.apache.org/
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Surely you can check for .htaccess and ignore the folder
> accordingly?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>> Jan i
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Thanks ; regards,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> HPP
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ _
> >> >> >> Henk P. Penning, ICT-beta R Uithof MG-403 _/ \_
> >> >> >> Faculty of Science, Utrecht University T +31 30 253 4106 / \_/
> \
> >> >> >> Leuvenlaan 4, 3584CE Utrecht, NL F +31 30 253 4553 \_/
> \_/
> >> >> >> http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~penni101/ M penning@uu.nl \_/
> >> >>
> >> > --
> >> > Sent from My iPad, sorry for any misspellings.
> >>
> > --
> > Sent from My iPad, sorry for any misspellings.
>
--
Sent from My iPad, sorry for any misspellings.
Re: Remove old projects (more than 4 year in ATTIC)
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On 15 February 2018 at 18:31, jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 at 19:24, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 15 February 2018 at 13:11, jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 at 12:05, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Just in case it is not obvious, I am -1 to the removal of the
>> >> .htaccess files under old retired TLPs UNLESS another way is found to
>> >> continue to redirect users.
>> >
>> > To me it was not obvious before I saw your comment on the ticket.
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Also, I feel a fundamental change such as this should be discussed in
>> >> a separate thread, rather than buried deep in an another thread about
>> >> project ACE.
>> >
>> > That is a very valid point, and nothing is stopping you from opening a
>> > separate thread.
>>
>> Ideally the person wishing to change the status quo should do this.
>>
>> >
>> > Let me try to sum up.
>> >
>> >
>> > Henk prefers to remove the directories and the .htaccess files
>> > Sebb is against removal (unless it is kept in another form)
>> > I have no strong opinion, but have given my +1 in favour of Henk.
>> >4
>> > I would of course prefer a solution where we have consensus, and thus
>> urge
>> > Henk/Sebb to try and find that.
>> >
>> > Any other opinions or comments ? If not majority “wins” and the ticket
>> will
>> > be reopened sometime next week.
>>
>> Sorry, but I don't think the vote is valid in its present form.
>
>
> Who speak about vote ? I did not call a vote, voting is not demanded for
> technical matters, only when electing new committers/PMC and changing chair
> (even in these cases consensus is generally accepted).
>
> Technical matters are decided by discussion and preferable consensus.
>
> iin case you feel a vote is demanded, please pass a pointer to the relevant
> bylaw.
I regard the proposal as akin to a code change, as it affects the
behaviour of various systems
As such, it is subject to veto:
https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html#votes-on-code-modification
> rgds
> jan I
>
> ps. you jumped over the more relevant part, where I urge you and Henk to
> achieve consensus.
Fine, but this needs to be done in a separate thread.
>
>>
>> > have a nice weekend.
>> > rgds
>> > jan i
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 14 February 2018 at 14:52, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > On 14 February 2018 at 12:55, Henk P. Penning <pe...@uu.nl> wrote:
>> >> >> On Wed, 14 Feb 2018, jan iversen wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 13:07:56 +0100
>> >> >>> From: jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com>
>> >> >>> To: general@attic.apache.org
>> >> >>> Subject: Re: project ACE.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 at 10:16, Henk P. Penning <pe...@uu.nl>
>> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>> If there are no objections, I'll ask infra to
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> svn rm https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/XXX
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> for XXX = hivemind shale beehive ibatis excalibur harmony
>> >> >>>> jakarta xml esme stdcxx xmlbeans
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> +1
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Thanks.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> Solely out of curiosity, do you know approx. how much space it will
>> >> free ?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Absolutely nothing :-) These projs only have
>> >> >>
>> >> >> /dist/XXX/.htaccess
>> >> >
>> >> > If this is removed, I think it should be replaced with a redirect to
>> >> > the archives.
>> >> >
>> >> >> I just want to unclutter /dist/ ; and consequently, for instance :
>> >> >>
>> >> >> https://checker.apache.org/
>> >> >
>> >> > Surely you can check for .htaccess and ignore the folder accordingly?
>> >> >
>> >> >>> Jan i
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Thanks ; regards,
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> HPP
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ _
>> >> >> Henk P. Penning, ICT-beta R Uithof MG-403 _/ \_
>> >> >> Faculty of Science, Utrecht University T +31 30 253 4106 / \_/ \
>> >> >> Leuvenlaan 4, 3584CE Utrecht, NL F +31 30 253 4553 \_/ \_/
>> >> >> http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~penni101/ M penning@uu.nl \_/
>> >>
>> > --
>> > Sent from My iPad, sorry for any misspellings.
>>
> --
> Sent from My iPad, sorry for any misspellings.
Re: Remove old projects (more than 4 year in ATTIC)
Posted by jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 at 19:24, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 15 February 2018 at 13:11, jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 at 12:05, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Just in case it is not obvious, I am -1 to the removal of the
> >> .htaccess files under old retired TLPs UNLESS another way is found to
> >> continue to redirect users.
> >
> > To me it was not obvious before I saw your comment on the ticket.
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Also, I feel a fundamental change such as this should be discussed in
> >> a separate thread, rather than buried deep in an another thread about
> >> project ACE.
> >
> > That is a very valid point, and nothing is stopping you from opening a
> > separate thread.
>
> Ideally the person wishing to change the status quo should do this.
>
> >
> > Let me try to sum up.
> >
> >
> > Henk prefers to remove the directories and the .htaccess files
> > Sebb is against removal (unless it is kept in another form)
> > I have no strong opinion, but have given my +1 in favour of Henk.
> >4
> > I would of course prefer a solution where we have consensus, and thus
> urge
> > Henk/Sebb to try and find that.
> >
> > Any other opinions or comments ? If not majority “wins” and the ticket
> will
> > be reopened sometime next week.
>
> Sorry, but I don't think the vote is valid in its present form.
Who speak about vote ? I did not call a vote, voting is not demanded for
technical matters, only when electing new committers/PMC and changing chair
(even in these cases consensus is generally accepted).
Technical matters are decided by discussion and preferable consensus.
iin case you feel a vote is demanded, please pass a pointer to the relevant
bylaw.
rgds
jan I
ps. you jumped over the more relevant part, where I urge you and Henk to
achieve consensus.
>
> > have a nice weekend.
> > rgds
> > jan i
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 14 February 2018 at 14:52, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > On 14 February 2018 at 12:55, Henk P. Penning <pe...@uu.nl> wrote:
> >> >> On Wed, 14 Feb 2018, jan iversen wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 13:07:56 +0100
> >> >>> From: jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com>
> >> >>> To: general@attic.apache.org
> >> >>> Subject: Re: project ACE.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 at 10:16, Henk P. Penning <pe...@uu.nl>
> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>>> If there are no objections, I'll ask infra to
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> svn rm https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/XXX
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> for XXX = hivemind shale beehive ibatis excalibur harmony
> >> >>>> jakarta xml esme stdcxx xmlbeans
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> +1
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks.
> >> >>
> >> >>> Solely out of curiosity, do you know approx. how much space it will
> >> free ?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Absolutely nothing :-) These projs only have
> >> >>
> >> >> /dist/XXX/.htaccess
> >> >
> >> > If this is removed, I think it should be replaced with a redirect to
> >> > the archives.
> >> >
> >> >> I just want to unclutter /dist/ ; and consequently, for instance :
> >> >>
> >> >> https://checker.apache.org/
> >> >
> >> > Surely you can check for .htaccess and ignore the folder accordingly?
> >> >
> >> >>> Jan i
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks ; regards,
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> HPP
> >> >>
> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ _
> >> >> Henk P. Penning, ICT-beta R Uithof MG-403 _/ \_
> >> >> Faculty of Science, Utrecht University T +31 30 253 4106 / \_/ \
> >> >> Leuvenlaan 4, 3584CE Utrecht, NL F +31 30 253 4553 \_/ \_/
> >> >> http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~penni101/ M penning@uu.nl \_/
> >>
> > --
> > Sent from My iPad, sorry for any misspellings.
>
--
Sent from My iPad, sorry for any misspellings.
Re: Remove old projects (more than 4 year in ATTIC)
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On 15 February 2018 at 13:11, jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 at 12:05, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Just in case it is not obvious, I am -1 to the removal of the
>> .htaccess files under old retired TLPs UNLESS another way is found to
>> continue to redirect users.
>
> To me it was not obvious before I saw your comment on the ticket.
>
>>
>>
>> Also, I feel a fundamental change such as this should be discussed in
>> a separate thread, rather than buried deep in an another thread about
>> project ACE.
>
> That is a very valid point, and nothing is stopping you from opening a
> separate thread.
Ideally the person wishing to change the status quo should do this.
>
> Let me try to sum up.
>
>
> Henk prefers to remove the directories and the .htaccess files
> Sebb is against removal (unless it is kept in another form)
> I have no strong opinion, but have given my +1 in favour of Henk.
>
> I would of course prefer a solution where we have consensus, and thus urge
> Henk/Sebb to try and find that.
>
> Any other opinions or comments ? If not majority “wins” and the ticket will
> be reopened sometime next week.
Sorry, but I don't think the vote is valid in its present form.
> have a nice weekend.
> rgds
> jan i
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 14 February 2018 at 14:52, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On 14 February 2018 at 12:55, Henk P. Penning <pe...@uu.nl> wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 14 Feb 2018, jan iversen wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 13:07:56 +0100
>> >>> From: jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com>
>> >>> To: general@attic.apache.org
>> >>> Subject: Re: project ACE.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 at 10:16, Henk P. Penning <pe...@uu.nl> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>> If there are no objections, I'll ask infra to
>> >>>>
>> >>>> svn rm https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/XXX
>> >>>>
>> >>>> for XXX = hivemind shale beehive ibatis excalibur harmony
>> >>>> jakarta xml esme stdcxx xmlbeans
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> +1
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thanks.
>> >>
>> >>> Solely out of curiosity, do you know approx. how much space it will
>> free ?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Absolutely nothing :-) These projs only have
>> >>
>> >> /dist/XXX/.htaccess
>> >
>> > If this is removed, I think it should be replaced with a redirect to
>> > the archives.
>> >
>> >> I just want to unclutter /dist/ ; and consequently, for instance :
>> >>
>> >> https://checker.apache.org/
>> >
>> > Surely you can check for .htaccess and ignore the folder accordingly?
>> >
>> >>> Jan i
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thanks ; regards,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> HPP
>> >>
>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ _
>> >> Henk P. Penning, ICT-beta R Uithof MG-403 _/ \_
>> >> Faculty of Science, Utrecht University T +31 30 253 4106 / \_/ \
>> >> Leuvenlaan 4, 3584CE Utrecht, NL F +31 30 253 4553 \_/ \_/
>> >> http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~penni101/ M penning@uu.nl \_/
>>
> --
> Sent from My iPad, sorry for any misspellings.
Remove old projects (more than 4 year in ATTIC)
Posted by jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 at 12:05, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just in case it is not obvious, I am -1 to the removal of the
> .htaccess files under old retired TLPs UNLESS another way is found to
> continue to redirect users.
To me it was not obvious before I saw your comment on the ticket.
>
>
> Also, I feel a fundamental change such as this should be discussed in
> a separate thread, rather than buried deep in an another thread about
> project ACE.
That is a very valid point, and nothing is stopping you from opening a
separate thread.
Let me try to sum up.
Henk prefers to remove the directories and the .htaccess files
Sebb is against removal (unless it is kept in another form)
I have no strong opinion, but have given my +1 in favour of Henk.
I would of course prefer a solution where we have consensus, and thus urge
Henk/Sebb to try and find that.
Any other opinions or comments ? If not majority “wins” and the ticket will
be reopened sometime next week.
have a nice weekend.
rgds
jan i
>
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2018 at 14:52, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 14 February 2018 at 12:55, Henk P. Penning <pe...@uu.nl> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 14 Feb 2018, jan iversen wrote:
> >>
> >>> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 13:07:56 +0100
> >>> From: jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com>
> >>> To: general@attic.apache.org
> >>> Subject: Re: project ACE.
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 at 10:16, Henk P. Penning <pe...@uu.nl> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>> If there are no objections, I'll ask infra to
> >>>>
> >>>> svn rm https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/XXX
> >>>>
> >>>> for XXX = hivemind shale beehive ibatis excalibur harmony
> >>>> jakarta xml esme stdcxx xmlbeans
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> +1
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >>> Solely out of curiosity, do you know approx. how much space it will
> free ?
> >>
> >>
> >> Absolutely nothing :-) These projs only have
> >>
> >> /dist/XXX/.htaccess
> >
> > If this is removed, I think it should be replaced with a redirect to
> > the archives.
> >
> >> I just want to unclutter /dist/ ; and consequently, for instance :
> >>
> >> https://checker.apache.org/
> >
> > Surely you can check for .htaccess and ignore the folder accordingly?
> >
> >>> Jan i
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks ; regards,
> >>
> >>
> >> HPP
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ _
> >> Henk P. Penning, ICT-beta R Uithof MG-403 _/ \_
> >> Faculty of Science, Utrecht University T +31 30 253 4106 / \_/ \
> >> Leuvenlaan 4, 3584CE Utrecht, NL F +31 30 253 4553 \_/ \_/
> >> http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~penni101/ M penning@uu.nl \_/
>
--
Sent from My iPad, sorry for any misspellings.
Re: project ACE.
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
Just in case it is not obvious, I am -1 to the removal of the
.htaccess files under old retired TLPs UNLESS another way is found to
continue to redirect users.
Also, I feel a fundamental change such as this should be discussed in
a separate thread, rather than buried deep in an another thread about
project ACE.
On 14 February 2018 at 14:52, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 14 February 2018 at 12:55, Henk P. Penning <pe...@uu.nl> wrote:
>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2018, jan iversen wrote:
>>
>>> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 13:07:56 +0100
>>> From: jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com>
>>> To: general@attic.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: project ACE.
>>>
>>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 at 10:16, Henk P. Penning <pe...@uu.nl> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> If there are no objections, I'll ask infra to
>>>>
>>>> svn rm https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/XXX
>>>>
>>>> for XXX = hivemind shale beehive ibatis excalibur harmony
>>>> jakarta xml esme stdcxx xmlbeans
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> +1
>>
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>> Solely out of curiosity, do you know approx. how much space it will free ?
>>
>>
>> Absolutely nothing :-) These projs only have
>>
>> /dist/XXX/.htaccess
>
> If this is removed, I think it should be replaced with a redirect to
> the archives.
>
>> I just want to unclutter /dist/ ; and consequently, for instance :
>>
>> https://checker.apache.org/
>
> Surely you can check for .htaccess and ignore the folder accordingly?
>
>>> Jan i
>>
>>
>> Thanks ; regards,
>>
>>
>> HPP
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------ _
>> Henk P. Penning, ICT-beta R Uithof MG-403 _/ \_
>> Faculty of Science, Utrecht University T +31 30 253 4106 / \_/ \
>> Leuvenlaan 4, 3584CE Utrecht, NL F +31 30 253 4553 \_/ \_/
>> http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~penni101/ M penning@uu.nl \_/
Re: project ACE.
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On 14 February 2018 at 12:55, Henk P. Penning <pe...@uu.nl> wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2018, jan iversen wrote:
>
>> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 13:07:56 +0100
>> From: jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com>
>> To: general@attic.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: project ACE.
>>
>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 at 10:16, Henk P. Penning <pe...@uu.nl> wrote:
>
>
>>> If there are no objections, I'll ask infra to
>>>
>>> svn rm https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/XXX
>>>
>>> for XXX = hivemind shale beehive ibatis excalibur harmony
>>> jakarta xml esme stdcxx xmlbeans
>>
>>
>>
>> +1
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>> Solely out of curiosity, do you know approx. how much space it will free ?
>
>
> Absolutely nothing :-) These projs only have
>
> /dist/XXX/.htaccess
If this is removed, I think it should be replaced with a redirect to
the archives.
> I just want to unclutter /dist/ ; and consequently, for instance :
>
> https://checker.apache.org/
Surely you can check for .htaccess and ignore the folder accordingly?
>> Jan i
>
>
> Thanks ; regards,
>
>
> HPP
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------ _
> Henk P. Penning, ICT-beta R Uithof MG-403 _/ \_
> Faculty of Science, Utrecht University T +31 30 253 4106 / \_/ \
> Leuvenlaan 4, 3584CE Utrecht, NL F +31 30 253 4553 \_/ \_/
> http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~penni101/ M penning@uu.nl \_/
Re: project ACE.
Posted by "Henk P. Penning" <pe...@uu.nl>.
On Wed, 14 Feb 2018, jan iversen wrote:
> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 13:07:56 +0100
> From: jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com>
> To: general@attic.apache.org
> Subject: Re: project ACE.
>
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 at 10:16, Henk P. Penning <pe...@uu.nl> wrote:
>> If there are no objections, I'll ask infra to
>>
>> svn rm https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/XXX
>>
>> for XXX = hivemind shale beehive ibatis excalibur harmony
>> jakarta xml esme stdcxx xmlbeans
>
>
> +1
Thanks.
> Solely out of curiosity, do you know approx. how much space it will free ?
Absolutely nothing :-) These projs only have
/dist/XXX/.htaccess
I just want to unclutter /dist/ ; and consequently, for instance :
https://checker.apache.org/
> Jan i
Thanks ; regards,
HPP
------------------------------------------------------------ _
Henk P. Penning, ICT-beta R Uithof MG-403 _/ \_
Faculty of Science, Utrecht University T +31 30 253 4106 / \_/ \
Leuvenlaan 4, 3584CE Utrecht, NL F +31 30 253 4553 \_/ \_/
http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~penni101/ M penning@uu.nl \_/
Re: project ACE.
Posted by "Henk P. Penning" <pe...@uu.nl>.
On Wed, 14 Feb 2018, jan iversen wrote:
> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 12:07:56 +0000
> From: jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com>
> To: general@attic.apache.org
> Subject: Re: project ACE.
>> svn rm https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/XXX
>>
>> for XXX = hivemind shale beehive ibatis excalibur harmony
>> jakarta xml esme stdcxx xmlbeans
> +1
IF it is now (implicitly, by general consent) decided that attic'ed
tlp's are removed from www.apache.org/dist/ after 4 years,
THEN
perhaps http://attic.apache.org/process.html
should say :
1. ...
2. ...
3. ...
4. www.apache.org/dist/${project}/ may be removed after 4 years.
Groeten,
HPP
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Faculty of Science, Utrecht University T +31 30 253 4106 / \_/ \
Leuvenlaan 4, 3584CE Utrecht, NL F +31 30 253 4553 \_/ \_/
http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~penni101/ M penning@uu.nl \_/
Re: project ACE.
Posted by jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 at 10:16, Henk P. Penning <pe...@uu.nl> wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Henk P. Penning wrote:
>
> > I will "roll my own" if there is no wider interest ; that's ok.
>
> Here are the dates I gleaned from the attic pages :
>
> moved to attic before 2014-02-14 ; 4 years ago :
> 2009-04-15 hivemind
> 2009-05-15 shale
> 2010-01-15 beehive
> 2010-06-15 ibatis
> 2010-12-15 excalibur
> 2011-11-15 harmony
> 2011-12-15 jakarta
> 2012-04-15 xml
> 2013-07-15 esme
> 2013-07-15 stdcxx
> 2013-07-15 xmlbeans
>
> # keep 2014-05-15 click
> # keep 2015-03-15 whirr
> # keep 2015-04-15 lenya
> # keep 2015-07-15 deltacloud
> # keep 2015-07-15 directmemory
> # keep 2015-11-15 shindig
> # keep 2016-01-15 onami
> # keep 2016-01-15 rave
> # keep 2016-04-15 mrunit
> # keep 2016-04-15 wookie
> # keep 2016-05-15 continuum
> # keep 2016-05-15 tuscany
> # keep 2016-06-15 etch
> # keep 2016-12-15 devicemap
> # keep 2017-01-15 stratos
> # keep 2017-03-15 abdera
> # keep 2017-04-15 wink
> # keep 2017-12-15 ace
>
> If there are no objections, I'll ask infra to
>
> svn rm https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/XXX
>
> for XXX = hivemind shale beehive ibatis excalibur harmony
> jakarta xml esme stdcxx xmlbeans
+1
Solely out of curiosity, do you know approx. how much space it will free ?
Reds
Jan i
>
>
> Thanks, regards,
>
> HPP
>
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> Henk P. Penning, ICT-beta R Uithof MG-403 _/ \_
> Faculty of Science, Utrecht University T +31 30 253 4106 / \_/ \
> Leuvenlaan 4, 3584CE Utrecht, NL F +31 30 253 4553 \_/ \_/
> http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~penni101/ M penning@uu.nl \_/
>
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Re: project ACE.
Posted by "Henk P. Penning" <pe...@uu.nl>.
On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Henk P. Penning wrote:
> I will "roll my own" if there is no wider interest ; that's ok.
Here are the dates I gleaned from the attic pages :
moved to attic before 2014-02-14 ; 4 years ago :
2009-04-15 hivemind
2009-05-15 shale
2010-01-15 beehive
2010-06-15 ibatis
2010-12-15 excalibur
2011-11-15 harmony
2011-12-15 jakarta
2012-04-15 xml
2013-07-15 esme
2013-07-15 stdcxx
2013-07-15 xmlbeans
# keep 2014-05-15 click
# keep 2015-03-15 whirr
# keep 2015-04-15 lenya
# keep 2015-07-15 deltacloud
# keep 2015-07-15 directmemory
# keep 2015-11-15 shindig
# keep 2016-01-15 onami
# keep 2016-01-15 rave
# keep 2016-04-15 mrunit
# keep 2016-04-15 wookie
# keep 2016-05-15 continuum
# keep 2016-05-15 tuscany
# keep 2016-06-15 etch
# keep 2016-12-15 devicemap
# keep 2017-01-15 stratos
# keep 2017-03-15 abdera
# keep 2017-04-15 wink
# keep 2017-12-15 ace
If there are no objections, I'll ask infra to
svn rm https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/XXX
for XXX = hivemind shale beehive ibatis excalibur harmony
jakarta xml esme stdcxx xmlbeans
Thanks, regards,
HPP
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Henk P. Penning, ICT-beta R Uithof MG-403 _/ \_
Faculty of Science, Utrecht University T +31 30 253 4106 / \_/ \
Leuvenlaan 4, 3584CE Utrecht, NL F +31 30 253 4553 \_/ \_/
http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~penni101/ M penning@uu.nl \_/
Re: project ACE.
Posted by "Henk P. Penning" <pe...@uu.nl>.
On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, jan iversen wrote:
> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 12:59:17 +0100
> From: jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com>
> To: general@attic.apache.org
> Subject: Re: project ACE.
> I am unhappy about yet another manual step to the retirement process. the
> process alreday contain quite a number of steps that could/should be
> automated
> , like e.x:
> - update authorization files
> - find maillists, wiki etc in order to tell infra what to close down
Agree ; but ..., automating that stuff could/should be based
on authorative, machine-readable info provided by attic.a.o/ ...
PMC Attic is the only body that can say /when/ the move
is/was actually started and when it was 'done'.
I don't see how stuff can be automated reliably without
such info.
I just looked at the list again and it is enormous.
A project should [IMHO] have a state {podling, tlp, attic}
and graduation/attic-ing should be as easy as
changing the state. Nevermind.
> people wanting to know when a retirement happened can e.g. look at svn log
> for the auth files.
Hm ;
I will "roll my own" if there is no wider interest ; that's ok.
> jan i
Thanks ; regards,
Henk Penning
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Henk P. Penning, ICT-beta R Uithof MG-403 _/ \_
Faculty of Science, Utrecht University T +31 30 253 4106 / \_/ \
Leuvenlaan 4, 3584CE Utrecht, NL F +31 30 253 4553 \_/ \_/
http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~penni101/ M penning@uu.nl \_/
Re: project ACE.
Posted by jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 at 12:52, Henk P. Penning <pe...@uu.nl> wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Feb 2018, jan iversen wrote:
> > On Tue, 6 Feb 2018 at 12:40, Henk P. Penning <pe...@uu.nl> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> >> PS To get the "attic'ed" project list, I parse
> >>
> >> svn ls https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/attic/site/docs/projects
> >>
> >> stripping '.html', and ignoring entries with a '-' ;
> >> is there a better way ?
> >
> > I normally use the xdocs directory that is xml and easier to parse.
>
> I don't see a 'date' field in the xdocs files ;
> I really would like to have a list like
>
> [ { dist_path : "beehive"
> , to_attic : "2010-01-15"
> }
> , ...
> ]
>
> Because "moving stuff into the attic", is what PMC Attic does,
> it is fine to provide this info (authoratively) on attic.a.o/,
> rather than somewhere else.
> Other (automated) processes can fetch it from "attic.a.o/".
>
> It means (yet) another item in the "process" list ... ;
> is that a problem ? I will provide an initial file, of course.
>
> I am unhappy about yet another manual step to the retirement process. the
process alreday contain quite a number of steps that could/should be
automated
, like e.x:
- update authorization files
- find maillists, wiki etc in order to tell infra what to close down
people wanting to know when a retirement happened can e.g. look at svn log
for the auth files.
rgds
jan i
> Ideas ?
>
> Thanks ; regards,
>
> Henk Penning
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------ _
> Henk P. Penning, ICT-beta R Uithof MG-403 _/ \_
> Faculty of Science, Utrecht University T +31 30 253 4106 / \_/ \
> Leuvenlaan 4, 3584CE Utrecht, NL F +31 30 253 4553 \_/ \_/
> http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~penni101/ M penning@uu.nl \_/
>
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Re: project ACE.
Posted by "Henk P. Penning" <pe...@uu.nl>.
On Tue, 6 Feb 2018, jan iversen wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Feb 2018 at 12:40, Henk P. Penning <pe...@uu.nl> wrote:
Hi,
>> PS To get the "attic'ed" project list, I parse
>>
>> svn ls https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/attic/site/docs/projects
>>
>> stripping '.html', and ignoring entries with a '-' ;
>> is there a better way ?
>
> I normally use the xdocs directory that is xml and easier to parse.
I don't see a 'date' field in the xdocs files ;
I really would like to have a list like
[ { dist_path : "beehive"
, to_attic : "2010-01-15"
}
, ...
]
Because "moving stuff into the attic", is what PMC Attic does,
it is fine to provide this info (authoratively) on attic.a.o/,
rather than somewhere else.
Other (automated) processes can fetch it from "attic.a.o/".
It means (yet) another item in the "process" list ... ;
is that a problem ? I will provide an initial file, of course.
Ideas ?
Thanks ; regards,
Henk Penning
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Henk P. Penning, ICT-beta R Uithof MG-403 _/ \_
Faculty of Science, Utrecht University T +31 30 253 4106 / \_/ \
Leuvenlaan 4, 3584CE Utrecht, NL F +31 30 253 4553 \_/ \_/
http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~penni101/ M penning@uu.nl \_/
Re: project ACE.
Posted by jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, 6 Feb 2018 at 12:40, Henk P. Penning <pe...@uu.nl> wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Feb 2018, jan iversen wrote:
>
> > Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2018 12:01:10 +0100
> > From: jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com>
> > To: general@attic.apache.org
> > Subject: project ACE.
>
> Hi Jan,
>
> > Project ACE is now finally retired
>
> > Sorry for the delay, but I am actually in bed with a severe cold (that
> > comes from living in southern Spain).
>
> Please take a look (if you can :-) at
>
> https://checker.apache.org/
llooks quite good, and is an excellent helper to check if something is
forgotten.
> <https://checker.apache.org/>
>
> I've added some attic related info :
>
> 1. Under "other projects" : a RedStar flags an attic'ed project.
that is usefull
>
>
> [ I think it looks a bit messy ; too much old stuff in /dist/ ;
> Shouldn't we remove /dist/atticked_project/ after
> some suitable interval ; 1, 2, 3 or 5 years ?
> ]
I would opt for 5 years, but I would really like to hear other opinions.
>
>
> 2. under "attic'ed projects" : a RedStar flags a project
> with more than 1 file.
I do not understand what more than 1 file means,
>
>
> -- 'ace' will become "unstarred" once INFRA-15994 is done
> -- 'deltacloud' is todo,
right ?
it is now :-) I will check that later
> -- for project 'xml' I'll file a jira like :
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-15994
yes please
> <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-15994>
>
> > jan I.
>
> Groeten,
>
> Henk Penning
>
> PS To get the "attic'ed" project list, I parse
>
> svn ls https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/attic/site/docs/projects
>
> stripping '.html', and ignoring entries with a '-' ;
> is there a better way ?
I normally use the xdocs directory that is xml and easier to parse.
thanks for your help
rgds
jan i
>
>
> HPP
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------ _
> Henk P. Penning, ICT-beta R Uithof MG-403 _/ \_
> Faculty of Science, Utrecht University T +31 30 253 4106 / \_/ \
> Leuvenlaan 4, 3584CE Utrecht, NL F +31 30 253 4553 \_/ \_/
> http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~penni101/ M penning@uu.nl \_/
>
--
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Re: project ACE.
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On 6 February 2018 at 11:40, Henk P. Penning <pe...@uu.nl> wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Feb 2018, jan iversen wrote:
>
>> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2018 12:01:10 +0100
>> From: jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com>
>> To: general@attic.apache.org
>> Subject: project ACE.
>
>
> Hi Jan,
>
>> Project ACE is now finally retired
>
>
>> Sorry for the delay, but I am actually in bed with a severe cold (that
>> comes from living in southern Spain).
>
>
> Please take a look (if you can :-) at
>
> https://checker.apache.org/
>
> I've added some attic related info :
>
> 1. Under "other projects" : a RedStar flags an attic'ed project.
>
> [ I think it looks a bit messy ; too much old stuff in /dist/ ;
> Shouldn't we remove /dist/atticked_project/ after
> some suitable interval ; 1, 2, 3 or 5 years ?
> ]
>
> 2. under "attic'ed projects" : a RedStar flags a project
> with more than 1 file.
>
> -- 'ace' will become "unstarred" once INFRA-15994 is done
> -- 'deltacloud' is todo, right ?
> -- for project 'xml' I'll file a jira like :
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-15994
>
>> jan I.
>
>
> Groeten,
>
> Henk Penning
>
> PS To get the "attic'ed" project list, I parse
>
> svn ls https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/attic/site/docs/projects
>
> stripping '.html', and ignoring entries with a '-' ;
> is there a better way ?
The official list of current PMCs is in committee-info.txt
This is easier to read when parsed by Whimsy at
https://whimsy.apache.org/public/committee-info.json
You may need to match on mail_list rather the key,
> HPP
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------ _
> Henk P. Penning, ICT-beta R Uithof MG-403 _/ \_
> Faculty of Science, Utrecht University T +31 30 253 4106 / \_/ \
> Leuvenlaan 4, 3584CE Utrecht, NL F +31 30 253 4553 \_/ \_/
> http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~penni101/ M penning@uu.nl \_/
Re: project ACE.
Posted by "Henk P. Penning" <pe...@uu.nl>.
On Tue, 6 Feb 2018, jan iversen wrote:
> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2018 12:01:10 +0100
> From: jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com>
> To: general@attic.apache.org
> Subject: project ACE.
Hi Jan,
> Project ACE is now finally retired
> Sorry for the delay, but I am actually in bed with a severe cold (that
> comes from living in southern Spain).
Please take a look (if you can :-) at
https://checker.apache.org/
I've added some attic related info :
1. Under "other projects" : a RedStar flags an attic'ed project.
[ I think it looks a bit messy ; too much old stuff in /dist/ ;
Shouldn't we remove /dist/atticked_project/ after
some suitable interval ; 1, 2, 3 or 5 years ?
]
2. under "attic'ed projects" : a RedStar flags a project
with more than 1 file.
-- 'ace' will become "unstarred" once INFRA-15994 is done
-- 'deltacloud' is todo, right ?
-- for project 'xml' I'll file a jira like :
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-15994
> jan I.
Groeten,
Henk Penning
PS To get the "attic'ed" project list, I parse
svn ls https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/attic/site/docs/projects
stripping '.html', and ignoring entries with a '-' ;
is there a better way ?
HPP
------------------------------------------------------------ _
Henk P. Penning, ICT-beta R Uithof MG-403 _/ \_
Faculty of Science, Utrecht University T +31 30 253 4106 / \_/ \
Leuvenlaan 4, 3584CE Utrecht, NL F +31 30 253 4553 \_/ \_/
http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~penni101/ M penning@uu.nl \_/