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svn commit: r1856009 - /spamassassin/trunk/rules/73_sandbox_manual_scores.cf

Author: pds
Date: Thu Mar 21 20:16:30 2019
New Revision: 1856009

URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=1856009&view=rev
Log:
Adjust the score for DKIMWL

Modified:
    spamassassin/trunk/rules/73_sandbox_manual_scores.cf

Modified: spamassassin/trunk/rules/73_sandbox_manual_scores.cf
URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/spamassassin/trunk/rules/73_sandbox_manual_scores.cf?rev=1856009&r1=1856008&r2=1856009&view=diff
==============================================================================
--- spamassassin/trunk/rules/73_sandbox_manual_scores.cf (original)
+++ spamassassin/trunk/rules/73_sandbox_manual_scores.cf Thu Mar 21 20:16:30 2019
@@ -83,4 +83,5 @@ score FILL_THIS_FORM_LONG      2.00
 # Lots of hate; score as informative hammy, may override locally
 score RP_MATCHES_RCVD           -0.001
 
-
+# pds
+score DKIMWL_WL_HIGH            -7.5



Re: svn commit: r1856009 - /spamassassin/trunk/rules/73_sandbox_manual_scores.cf

Posted by RW <rw...@googlemail.com>.
On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 07:12:42 +0200
Henrik K wrote:

> Please describe changes in any case, "pds" tells nothing about what
> the score was even for.  Everyone else did in that file.
> 

There looks to be something missing:

$ grep -hr  'askdns.*dkimwl'   /var/db/spamassassin 
askdns		__DKIMWL_WL_HI	_DKIMDOMAIN_.lookup.dkimwl.org A /^127\.\d+\.\d+\.5$/
askdns		__DKIMWL_WL_MED	_DKIMDOMAIN_.lookup.dkimwl.org A /^127\.\d+\.\d+\.3$/
askdns		DKIMWL_BL	_DKIMDOMAIN_.lookup.dkimwl.org A /^127\.\d+\.\d+\.0$/


DKIMWL has 5 levels of trust; it's not necessary to support them all
individually, but presumably there shouldn't be a hole between 3 and 5.

The missing level is called Med-High on the site. If anyone adds a new
rule, I suggest avoiding a name that has one of the existing
DKIMWL_WL_* rule name as a sub-string as that can be awkward to handle
in client side filters.

Re: svn commit: r1856009 - /spamassassin/trunk/rules/73_sandbox_manual_scores.cf

Posted by Henrik K <he...@hege.li>.
Please describe changes in any case, "pds" tells nothing about what the
score was even for.  Everyone else did in that file.

On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 09:30:16PM +0000, Paul Stead wrote:
> I'll revert - I was involved in the initial conversation with davej - I was under the impression this was the initial intention but ruleqa was re-adjusting score to 0.1
> 
> Paul
> 
> ???On 21/03/2019, 21:24, "Bill Cole" <sa...@billmail.scconsult.com> wrote:
> 
>     I'm extremely uneasy with this.
> 
>     We should not be manually scoring an essentially untested/unproven
>     DNS-based list that is outside of project control at such a powerful
>     level.
> 
>     DNSBLs tend to decay into "list the world" mode eventually after they
>     die, often far sooner than anyone intends or expects.
> 
>     (FWIW: locally I'm scoring DKIMWL_* at 0.001 because I have no basis for
>     believing it to be useful, yet.)
> 
>     On 21 Mar 2019, at 16:16, pds@apache.org wrote:
> 
>     > Author: pds
>     > Date: Thu Mar 21 20:16:30 2019
>     > New Revision: 1856009
>     >
>     > URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=1856009&view=rev
>     > Log:
>     > Adjust the score for DKIMWL
>     >
>     > Modified:
>     >     spamassassin/trunk/rules/73_sandbox_manual_scores.cf
>     >
>     > Modified: spamassassin/trunk/rules/73_sandbox_manual_scores.cf
>     > URL:
>     > http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/spamassassin/trunk/rules/73_sandbox_manual_scores.cf?rev=1856009&r1=1856008&r2=1856009&view=diff
>     > ==============================================================================
>     > --- spamassassin/trunk/rules/73_sandbox_manual_scores.cf (original)
>     > +++ spamassassin/trunk/rules/73_sandbox_manual_scores.cf Thu Mar 21
>     > 20:16:30 2019
>     > @@ -83,4 +83,5 @@ score FILL_THIS_FORM_LONG      2.00
>     >  # Lots of hate; score as informative hammy, may override locally
>     >  score RP_MATCHES_RCVD           -0.001
>     >
>     > -
>     > +# pds
>     > +score DKIMWL_WL_HIGH            -7.5
> 
> 
>     --
>     Bill Cole
> 
> 
> 
> Paul Stead
> Senior Engineer
> Zen Internet

Re: svn commit: r1856009 - /spamassassin/trunk/rules/73_sandbox_manual_scores.cf

Posted by Paul Stead <pa...@zeninternet.co.uk>.
I'll revert - I was involved in the initial conversation with davej - I was under the impression this was the initial intention but ruleqa was re-adjusting score to 0.1

Paul

On 21/03/2019, 21:24, "Bill Cole" <sa...@billmail.scconsult.com> wrote:

    I'm extremely uneasy with this.

    We should not be manually scoring an essentially untested/unproven
    DNS-based list that is outside of project control at such a powerful
    level.

    DNSBLs tend to decay into "list the world" mode eventually after they
    die, often far sooner than anyone intends or expects.

    (FWIW: locally I'm scoring DKIMWL_* at 0.001 because I have no basis for
    believing it to be useful, yet.)

    On 21 Mar 2019, at 16:16, pds@apache.org wrote:

    > Author: pds
    > Date: Thu Mar 21 20:16:30 2019
    > New Revision: 1856009
    >
    > URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=1856009&view=rev
    > Log:
    > Adjust the score for DKIMWL
    >
    > Modified:
    >     spamassassin/trunk/rules/73_sandbox_manual_scores.cf
    >
    > Modified: spamassassin/trunk/rules/73_sandbox_manual_scores.cf
    > URL:
    > http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/spamassassin/trunk/rules/73_sandbox_manual_scores.cf?rev=1856009&r1=1856008&r2=1856009&view=diff
    > ==============================================================================
    > --- spamassassin/trunk/rules/73_sandbox_manual_scores.cf (original)
    > +++ spamassassin/trunk/rules/73_sandbox_manual_scores.cf Thu Mar 21
    > 20:16:30 2019
    > @@ -83,4 +83,5 @@ score FILL_THIS_FORM_LONG      2.00
    >  # Lots of hate; score as informative hammy, may override locally
    >  score RP_MATCHES_RCVD           -0.001
    >
    > -
    > +# pds
    > +score DKIMWL_WL_HIGH            -7.5


    --
    Bill Cole



Paul Stead
Senior Engineer
Zen Internet

Re: svn commit: r1856009 - /spamassassin/trunk/rules/73_sandbox_manual_scores.cf

Posted by Bill Cole <sa...@billmail.scconsult.com>.
I'm extremely uneasy with this.

We should not be manually scoring an essentially untested/unproven 
DNS-based list that is outside of project control at such a powerful 
level.

DNSBLs tend to decay into "list the world" mode eventually after they 
die, often far sooner than anyone intends or expects.

(FWIW: locally I'm scoring DKIMWL_* at 0.001 because I have no basis for 
believing it to be useful, yet.)

On 21 Mar 2019, at 16:16, pds@apache.org wrote:

> Author: pds
> Date: Thu Mar 21 20:16:30 2019
> New Revision: 1856009
>
> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=1856009&view=rev
> Log:
> Adjust the score for DKIMWL
>
> Modified:
>     spamassassin/trunk/rules/73_sandbox_manual_scores.cf
>
> Modified: spamassassin/trunk/rules/73_sandbox_manual_scores.cf
> URL: 
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/spamassassin/trunk/rules/73_sandbox_manual_scores.cf?rev=1856009&r1=1856008&r2=1856009&view=diff
> ==============================================================================
> --- spamassassin/trunk/rules/73_sandbox_manual_scores.cf (original)
> +++ spamassassin/trunk/rules/73_sandbox_manual_scores.cf Thu Mar 21 
> 20:16:30 2019
> @@ -83,4 +83,5 @@ score FILL_THIS_FORM_LONG      2.00
>  # Lots of hate; score as informative hammy, may override locally
>  score RP_MATCHES_RCVD           -0.001
>
> -
> +# pds
> +score DKIMWL_WL_HIGH            -7.5


-- 
Bill Cole