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tapernate for maven ignorants?
Ok I tried to download tapernate from the svn repository. I have the maven
eclipse plugin installed but other than that I don't know anything about
maven (shame on me).
The eclipse plugin did download a bunch of stuff but then insulted me and
asked to manually download some file and to type some long command lines.
Then I give up on the source version and I found out on James website some
binaries.
To what I understand it seems to depend on hivemind-hibernate? I was looking
for the sessionfactory definition in the hivemodule.xml but it seems it
belongs to a hivemind extension?
Where can I find that?
Thanks,
Henri.
Re: tapernate for maven ignorants?
Posted by Jesse Kuhnert <jk...@gmail.com>.
I'd say you should add it to your own pom to make it automatic, but that's
me. I haven't been using maven2 for long enough to know what the overall
preference is, but do generally like the idea of more things working "out of
the box". (at least it's what I prefer personally)
On 6/13/06, James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> Well, that'd be nice. Do you suggest I just add that to my pom.xml files,
> then, so that folks can just do a clean build without any manual
> intervention? Or, do you think it's better for users to modify their
> settings.xml file if they want to use alternate repositories?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jesse Kuhnert [mailto:jkuhnert@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 12:45 PM
> To: Tapestry users
> Subject: Re: tapernate for maven ignorants?
>
> Ah sorry for the confusion then, my mistake for speaking before knowing
> what
> the problems were :)
>
> The jta/ejb spec issues may have been resolved recently. There are a
> number
> of maven2 repositories to choose from besides ibiblio:
>
> http://repository.jboss.com/maven2/
>
> http://ibiblio.org/maven2/net/java/dev/glassfish/glassfish-transaction-api/(
> it's
> called something else, but is probably what you want)
> https://maven-repository.dev.java.net/nonav/repository/
>
> On 6/13/06, James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com> wrote:
> >
> > The issue with the JTA.jar and the ejb3.0 specification jar are known
> > Maven issues. Third-party jars have to be downloaded manually and
> > installed into your local repository. Yes, it sucks. But, for now,
> it's
> > the only thing we have. I know that the Apache Software Foundation
> > doesn't allow third-party jars to be checked into their SVN repositories
> > or made available for download from their site because of licensing
> issues
> > (at least that's my understanding). That's kind of why I went to Maven
> > (that and it slims down my SVN repo quite a bit since it only contains
> > "source").
> >
> > > Hmmmmmm... Sounds like a major usability issue. Maven in general is
> very
> > > easy to use, so if dependency resolution isn't happening right
> something
> > > is
> > > potentially broken or not documented properly?
> > >
> > > Normally I wouldn't be so vocal about things but I think tapernate is
> > > really
> > > crucial/has lots of potential to do a lot of good for tapestry, it
> would
> > > be
> > > a shame if minor usability issues were keeping it back ;)
> > >
> > > On 6/13/06, Andreas Bulling <sp...@phoenix.hadiko.de> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On 13. Jun 2006 - 08:12:42, Chris Chiappone wrote:
> > >> | The easiest way to get tapernate up and running is to download his
> > war
> > >> file
> > >> | example. Un-jar it and then just pull out all the jar files in
> > >> | WEB-INF/lib/ That way you will have all dependencies needed.
> > >>
> > >> Yes, that's what James proposed some days ago and what I've done
> > >> in the end. The problem with this is that the war file doesn't
> > >> seem to get updated (or at least I don't know for sure).
> > >>
> > >> @Henri
> > >> You can find the war file here:
> > >>
> www.carmanconsulting.com/mvn/com/carmanconsulting/tapernate-example/0.1
> > >>
> > >> Cheers,
> > >> Andreas
> > >>
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> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jesse Kuhnert
> > > Tacos/Tapestry, team member/developer
> > >
> > > Open source based consulting work centered around
> > > dojo/tapestry/tacos/hivemind.
> > >
> >
> >
> > James Carman, President
> > Carman Consulting, Inc.
> >
> >
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> >
>
>
> --
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>
> Open source based consulting work centered around
> dojo/tapestry/tacos/hivemind.
>
>
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RE: tapernate for maven ignorants?
Posted by James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com>.
Well, that'd be nice. Do you suggest I just add that to my pom.xml files,
then, so that folks can just do a clean build without any manual
intervention? Or, do you think it's better for users to modify their
settings.xml file if they want to use alternate repositories?
-----Original Message-----
From: Jesse Kuhnert [mailto:jkuhnert@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 12:45 PM
To: Tapestry users
Subject: Re: tapernate for maven ignorants?
Ah sorry for the confusion then, my mistake for speaking before knowing what
the problems were :)
The jta/ejb spec issues may have been resolved recently. There are a number
of maven2 repositories to choose from besides ibiblio:
http://repository.jboss.com/maven2/
http://ibiblio.org/maven2/net/java/dev/glassfish/glassfish-transaction-api/(
it's
called something else, but is probably what you want)
https://maven-repository.dev.java.net/nonav/repository/
On 6/13/06, James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> The issue with the JTA.jar and the ejb3.0 specification jar are known
> Maven issues. Third-party jars have to be downloaded manually and
> installed into your local repository. Yes, it sucks. But, for now, it's
> the only thing we have. I know that the Apache Software Foundation
> doesn't allow third-party jars to be checked into their SVN repositories
> or made available for download from their site because of licensing issues
> (at least that's my understanding). That's kind of why I went to Maven
> (that and it slims down my SVN repo quite a bit since it only contains
> "source").
>
> > Hmmmmmm... Sounds like a major usability issue. Maven in general is very
> > easy to use, so if dependency resolution isn't happening right something
> > is
> > potentially broken or not documented properly?
> >
> > Normally I wouldn't be so vocal about things but I think tapernate is
> > really
> > crucial/has lots of potential to do a lot of good for tapestry, it would
> > be
> > a shame if minor usability issues were keeping it back ;)
> >
> > On 6/13/06, Andreas Bulling <sp...@phoenix.hadiko.de> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 13. Jun 2006 - 08:12:42, Chris Chiappone wrote:
> >> | The easiest way to get tapernate up and running is to download his
> war
> >> file
> >> | example. Un-jar it and then just pull out all the jar files in
> >> | WEB-INF/lib/ That way you will have all dependencies needed.
> >>
> >> Yes, that's what James proposed some days ago and what I've done
> >> in the end. The problem with this is that the war file doesn't
> >> seem to get updated (or at least I don't know for sure).
> >>
> >> @Henri
> >> You can find the war file here:
> >> www.carmanconsulting.com/mvn/com/carmanconsulting/tapernate-example/0.1
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Andreas
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@tapestry.apache.org
> >> For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@tapestry.apache.org
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jesse Kuhnert
> > Tacos/Tapestry, team member/developer
> >
> > Open source based consulting work centered around
> > dojo/tapestry/tacos/hivemind.
> >
>
>
> James Carman, President
> Carman Consulting, Inc.
>
>
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Re: tapernate for maven ignorants?
Posted by Jesse Kuhnert <jk...@gmail.com>.
Ah sorry for the confusion then, my mistake for speaking before knowing what
the problems were :)
The jta/ejb spec issues may have been resolved recently. There are a number
of maven2 repositories to choose from besides ibiblio:
http://repository.jboss.com/maven2/
http://ibiblio.org/maven2/net/java/dev/glassfish/glassfish-transaction-api/(it's
called something else, but is probably what you want)
https://maven-repository.dev.java.net/nonav/repository/
On 6/13/06, James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> The issue with the JTA.jar and the ejb3.0 specification jar are known
> Maven issues. Third-party jars have to be downloaded manually and
> installed into your local repository. Yes, it sucks. But, for now, it's
> the only thing we have. I know that the Apache Software Foundation
> doesn't allow third-party jars to be checked into their SVN repositories
> or made available for download from their site because of licensing issues
> (at least that's my understanding). That's kind of why I went to Maven
> (that and it slims down my SVN repo quite a bit since it only contains
> "source").
>
> > Hmmmmmm... Sounds like a major usability issue. Maven in general is very
> > easy to use, so if dependency resolution isn't happening right something
> > is
> > potentially broken or not documented properly?
> >
> > Normally I wouldn't be so vocal about things but I think tapernate is
> > really
> > crucial/has lots of potential to do a lot of good for tapestry, it would
> > be
> > a shame if minor usability issues were keeping it back ;)
> >
> > On 6/13/06, Andreas Bulling <sp...@phoenix.hadiko.de> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 13. Jun 2006 - 08:12:42, Chris Chiappone wrote:
> >> | The easiest way to get tapernate up and running is to download his
> war
> >> file
> >> | example. Un-jar it and then just pull out all the jar files in
> >> | WEB-INF/lib/ That way you will have all dependencies needed.
> >>
> >> Yes, that's what James proposed some days ago and what I've done
> >> in the end. The problem with this is that the war file doesn't
> >> seem to get updated (or at least I don't know for sure).
> >>
> >> @Henri
> >> You can find the war file here:
> >> www.carmanconsulting.com/mvn/com/carmanconsulting/tapernate-example/0.1
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Andreas
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@tapestry.apache.org
> >> For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@tapestry.apache.org
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jesse Kuhnert
> > Tacos/Tapestry, team member/developer
> >
> > Open source based consulting work centered around
> > dojo/tapestry/tacos/hivemind.
> >
>
>
> James Carman, President
> Carman Consulting, Inc.
>
>
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>
>
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Tacos/Tapestry, team member/developer
Open source based consulting work centered around
dojo/tapestry/tacos/hivemind.
Re: tapernate for maven ignorants?
Posted by James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com>.
The issue with the JTA.jar and the ejb3.0 specification jar are known
Maven issues. Third-party jars have to be downloaded manually and
installed into your local repository. Yes, it sucks. But, for now, it's
the only thing we have. I know that the Apache Software Foundation
doesn't allow third-party jars to be checked into their SVN repositories
or made available for download from their site because of licensing issues
(at least that's my understanding). That's kind of why I went to Maven
(that and it slims down my SVN repo quite a bit since it only contains
"source").
> Hmmmmmm... Sounds like a major usability issue. Maven in general is very
> easy to use, so if dependency resolution isn't happening right something
> is
> potentially broken or not documented properly?
>
> Normally I wouldn't be so vocal about things but I think tapernate is
> really
> crucial/has lots of potential to do a lot of good for tapestry, it would
> be
> a shame if minor usability issues were keeping it back ;)
>
> On 6/13/06, Andreas Bulling <sp...@phoenix.hadiko.de> wrote:
>>
>> On 13. Jun 2006 - 08:12:42, Chris Chiappone wrote:
>> | The easiest way to get tapernate up and running is to download his war
>> file
>> | example. Un-jar it and then just pull out all the jar files in
>> | WEB-INF/lib/ That way you will have all dependencies needed.
>>
>> Yes, that's what James proposed some days ago and what I've done
>> in the end. The problem with this is that the war file doesn't
>> seem to get updated (or at least I don't know for sure).
>>
>> @Henri
>> You can find the war file here:
>> www.carmanconsulting.com/mvn/com/carmanconsulting/tapernate-example/0.1
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Andreas
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@tapestry.apache.org
>> For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@tapestry.apache.org
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Jesse Kuhnert
> Tacos/Tapestry, team member/developer
>
> Open source based consulting work centered around
> dojo/tapestry/tacos/hivemind.
>
James Carman, President
Carman Consulting, Inc.
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Re: tapernate for maven ignorants?
Posted by Andreas Bulling <sp...@phoenix.hadiko.de>.
| James is doing a great job, the only small thing missing for tapernate are
| IMO a home page with straightforward links for jars.
+1 from me for both points ;)
Andreas
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Re: tapernate for maven ignorants?
Posted by Henri Dupre <he...@gmail.com>.
On 6/13/06, Jesse Kuhnert <jk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hmmmmmm... Sounds like a major usability issue. Maven in general is very
> easy to use, so if dependency resolution isn't happening right something
> is
> potentially broken or not documented properly?
I wouldn't really agree on this one... Maven is IMO not that easy to use.
I believe the two jars required are for hibernate, and they are probably not
available in Maven repositories because of legal issues (one of them was
jta.jar and I can't remember the other one).
And things are properly documented, the error messages were very clear but I
don't have the maven command line version installed so it makes the process
quite cumbersome. I just don't like having command line tools to build
projects because most of the time, this means that you need to configure the
command line tools + the eclipse project.
Normally I wouldn't be so vocal about things but I think tapernate is really
> crucial/has lots of potential to do a lot of good for tapestry, it would
> be
> a shame if minor usability issues were keeping it back ;)
James is doing a great job, the only small thing missing for tapernate are
IMO a home page with straightforward links for jars.
Thanks,
Henri.
Re: tapernate for maven ignorants?
Posted by Jesse Kuhnert <jk...@gmail.com>.
Hmmmmmm... Sounds like a major usability issue. Maven in general is very
easy to use, so if dependency resolution isn't happening right something is
potentially broken or not documented properly?
Normally I wouldn't be so vocal about things but I think tapernate is really
crucial/has lots of potential to do a lot of good for tapestry, it would be
a shame if minor usability issues were keeping it back ;)
On 6/13/06, Andreas Bulling <sp...@phoenix.hadiko.de> wrote:
>
> On 13. Jun 2006 - 08:12:42, Chris Chiappone wrote:
> | The easiest way to get tapernate up and running is to download his war
> file
> | example. Un-jar it and then just pull out all the jar files in
> | WEB-INF/lib/ That way you will have all dependencies needed.
>
> Yes, that's what James proposed some days ago and what I've done
> in the end. The problem with this is that the war file doesn't
> seem to get updated (or at least I don't know for sure).
>
> @Henri
> You can find the war file here:
> www.carmanconsulting.com/mvn/com/carmanconsulting/tapernate-example/0.1
>
> Cheers,
> Andreas
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@tapestry.apache.org
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>
>
--
Jesse Kuhnert
Tacos/Tapestry, team member/developer
Open source based consulting work centered around
dojo/tapestry/tacos/hivemind.
Re: tapernate for maven ignorants?
Posted by Andreas Bulling <sp...@phoenix.hadiko.de>.
On 13. Jun 2006 - 08:12:42, Chris Chiappone wrote:
| The easiest way to get tapernate up and running is to download his war file
| example. Un-jar it and then just pull out all the jar files in
| WEB-INF/lib/ That way you will have all dependencies needed.
Yes, that's what James proposed some days ago and what I've done
in the end. The problem with this is that the war file doesn't
seem to get updated (or at least I don't know for sure).
@Henri
You can find the war file here:
www.carmanconsulting.com/mvn/com/carmanconsulting/tapernate-example/0.1
Cheers,
Andreas
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Re: tapernate for maven ignorants?
Posted by Chris Chiappone <ch...@gmail.com>.
The easiest way to get tapernate up and running is to download his war file
example. Un-jar it and then just pull out all the jar files in
WEB-INF/lib/ That way you will have all dependencies needed.
~chris
On 6/13/06, Andreas Bulling <sp...@phoenix.hadiko.de> wrote:
>
> On 13. Jun 2006 - 08:55:34, Andreas Bulling wrote:
> | Here you can find the hivermind-hibernate3 stuff:
> | http://svn.javaforge.com/svn/hivemind/hivemind-hibernate3
> |
> | You also need
> | http://svn.javaforge.com/svn/hivemind/hivemind-transaction
> | and
> | http://svn.javaforge.com/svn/hivemind/hivemind-utils
>
> Login/Passwort: anonymous/anon
>
> Andreas
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Re: tapernate for maven ignorants?
Posted by Andreas Bulling <sp...@phoenix.hadiko.de>.
On 13. Jun 2006 - 08:55:34, Andreas Bulling wrote:
| Here you can find the hivermind-hibernate3 stuff:
| http://svn.javaforge.com/svn/hivemind/hivemind-hibernate3
|
| You also need
| http://svn.javaforge.com/svn/hivemind/hivemind-transaction
| and
| http://svn.javaforge.com/svn/hivemind/hivemind-utils
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Re: tapernate for maven ignorants?
Posted by Andreas Bulling <sp...@phoenix.hadiko.de>.
On 13. Jun 2006 - 02:23:38, Henri Dupre wrote:
| Ok I tried to download tapernate from the svn repository. I have the maven
| eclipse plugin installed but other than that I don't know anything about
| maven (shame on me).
| The eclipse plugin did download a bunch of stuff but then insulted me and
| asked to manually download some file and to type some long command lines.
| Then I give up on the source version and I found out on James website some
| binaries.
| To what I understand it seems to depend on hivemind-hibernate? I was looking
| for the sessionfactory definition in the hivemodule.xml but it seems it
| belongs to a hivemind extension?
| Where can I find that?
My request to James was to release the different jars seperately - for all the
people who don't want to/can't use maven (including me). ;-)
That would be a lot easier than the download nightmare you and me have
gone through.
Perhaps we can start a vote for it here?! One +1 from me already... *g
Here you can find the hivermind-hibernate3 stuff:
http://svn.javaforge.com/svn/hivemind/hivemind-hibernate3
You also need
http://svn.javaforge.com/svn/hivemind/hivemind-transaction
and
http://svn.javaforge.com/svn/hivemind/hivemind-utils
Kind regards,
Andreas
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