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Re: Forward planning for OO 5.0
Am 06.05.2014 um 10:49 schrieb Rory O'Farrell:
> Now that OO 4.1 is released (and the tidy up of loose ends is in
> progress), perhaps it is time to start discussion on proposals for
> improvements and additions to OO 5.0.
>
> Where should this best be done?
After 4 month I ask if there is a place found to discuss and collect
features and foremost bugs that must be fixed until 5.0?
e. g. issue 105098 is one for the Mac users.
Regards, Mathias
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Re: Forward planning for OO 5.0
Posted by Vladislav Stevanovic <st...@gmail.com>.
Hi Ariel,
> but the extension depends on libraries with Category
>X license, so it cannot be included "within an Apache product, whether
>in source or binary form"
Well, does somebody know who made this libraries? Are this libraries
existing separately? I mean, does can help if someone ask this authors to
donate this libraries under Apache 2 licence? Is it possible?
Regrads,
Wlada
2014-09-09 10:05 GMT+02:00 Ariel Constenla-Haile <ar...@apache.org>:
> On Fri, Sep 05, 2014 at 11:54:47PM +0200, Vladislav Stevanovic wrote:
> > - Oracle Report builder should be integrated inside AOO, like in LO
>
> The code of the extension (and the related core code, modules
> reportbuilder and reportdesign, respectively) was included in Oracle's
> Software Grant, but the extension depends on libraries with Category
> X license, so it cannot be included "within an Apache product, whether
> in source or binary form" see:
>
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=118573
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/HaqoAQ
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/4ZuoAQ
> http://www.apache.org/legal/3party.html#category-x
>
>
> Regards
> --
> Ariel Constenla-Haile
> La Plata, Argentina
>
Re: Forward planning for OO 5.0
Posted by Ariel Constenla-Haile <ar...@apache.org>.
On Fri, Sep 05, 2014 at 11:54:47PM +0200, Vladislav Stevanovic wrote:
> - Oracle Report builder should be integrated inside AOO, like in LO
The code of the extension (and the related core code, modules
reportbuilder and reportdesign, respectively) was included in Oracle's
Software Grant, but the extension depends on libraries with Category
X license, so it cannot be included "within an Apache product, whether
in source or binary form" see:
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=118573
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/HaqoAQ
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/4ZuoAQ
http://www.apache.org/legal/3party.html#category-x
Regards
--
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina
Re: Forward planning for OO 5.0
Posted by Vladislav Stevanovic <st...@gmail.com>.
Hello,
I checked LO and its list of spreadsheet functions. I find list of function
which does not exist in AOO. Take a look attached odt file.
Because this list is not small, logical conclusion is: is it smart to wait
that someone finally work on this (and to have situation what we have now),
or is it better to put this in some plan, making better marketing (what is
need to improve in AOO) for attracting voluntaries...?
2014-09-06 19:40 GMT+02:00 Vladislav Stevanovic <
stevanovicvladislav@gmail.com>:
> Hi Guy,
> LO already integrated this solution. I do not see that they have some big
> problem with this solution. In the end, we can offer two version: one with
> all languages (preferable option), and one version what we have now, to be
> sure that someone with poor internet speed can download lighter version.
> Maybe persons who lives in country where official language is English can
> not understood this problem, because basic language for UI and Help is on
> English language. But every others need sometimes to compare some terms in
> both local and English language.
>
> Regards,
> Wlada
>
>
> 2014-09-06 17:07 GMT+02:00 Guy Waterval <wa...@gmail.com>:
>
>> Hi Vladislav,
>>
>> 2014-09-06 15:12 GMT+02:00 Vladislav Stevanovic <
>> stevanovicvladislav@gmail.com>:
>>
>> > >>On 05/09/2014 Vladislav Stevanovic wrote:
>> >
>> > All languages should be in installation file. Then, when process of
>> > installation starts, application will ask user what languages want to
>> using
>> > (if they want a few, or all of them, user will mark). There will be no
>> need
>> > in a future for download language pack separately. This solution is
>> > simpler.
>> >
>>
>> In theory, it's effectively a nice solution. But in practice, due to bad
>> internet connections in some countries, it wouldn't be very fair for those
>> people.
>> Moreover, if the different language packs are not ready together it's also
>> a problem to build the executable. Not sure it could be feasable.
>>
>> Only my opinion, of course.
>>
>> A+
>> --
>> gw
>>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
Re: Forward planning for OO 5.0
Posted by Vladislav Stevanovic <st...@gmail.com>.
Hi Guy,
LO already integrated this solution. I do not see that they have some big
problem with this solution. In the end, we can offer two version: one with
all languages (preferable option), and one version what we have now, to be
sure that someone with poor internet speed can download lighter version.
Maybe persons who lives in country where official language is English can
not understood this problem, because basic language for UI and Help is on
English language. But every others need sometimes to compare some terms in
both local and English language.
Regards,
Wlada
2014-09-06 17:07 GMT+02:00 Guy Waterval <wa...@gmail.com>:
> Hi Vladislav,
>
> 2014-09-06 15:12 GMT+02:00 Vladislav Stevanovic <
> stevanovicvladislav@gmail.com>:
>
> > >>On 05/09/2014 Vladislav Stevanovic wrote:
> >
> > All languages should be in installation file. Then, when process of
> > installation starts, application will ask user what languages want to
> using
> > (if they want a few, or all of them, user will mark). There will be no
> need
> > in a future for download language pack separately. This solution is
> > simpler.
> >
>
> In theory, it's effectively a nice solution. But in practice, due to bad
> internet connections in some countries, it wouldn't be very fair for those
> people.
> Moreover, if the different language packs are not ready together it's also
> a problem to build the executable. Not sure it could be feasable.
>
> Only my opinion, of course.
>
> A+
> --
> gw
>
> >
> >
>
Re: Forward planning for OO 5.0
Posted by Guy Waterval <wa...@gmail.com>.
Hi Vladislav,
2014-09-06 15:12 GMT+02:00 Vladislav Stevanovic <
stevanovicvladislav@gmail.com>:
> >>On 05/09/2014 Vladislav Stevanovic wrote:
>
> All languages should be in installation file. Then, when process of
> installation starts, application will ask user what languages want to using
> (if they want a few, or all of them, user will mark). There will be no need
> in a future for download language pack separately. This solution is
> simpler.
>
In theory, it's effectively a nice solution. But in practice, due to bad
internet connections in some countries, it wouldn't be very fair for those
people.
Moreover, if the different language packs are not ready together it's also
a problem to build the executable. Not sure it could be feasable.
Only my opinion, of course.
A+
--
gw
>
>
Re: Forward planning for OO 5.0
Posted by Vladislav Stevanovic <st...@gmail.com>.
>>On 05/09/2014 Vladislav Stevanovic wrote:
> - Word Count to view the word count at any given time in Status bar
>
>Ariel maintains an extension for that at
>http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/word-count-statusbar-controller
<http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/word-count-statusbar-controller>
Not as extension. To be a part of intalation file of AOO.
>>
> >>- Good features (for non-English country) is ability to download more
> than
> >>one language package for UI and Help system. There is often problem when
> >>somebody want to switch from local language to English or vice versa.
> >>Sometimes is problem to understand local therm in translated UI and what
> if
> >>you do not have Internet connection to download another version (or
> simply
> >>you have not time for that)?
>
>This is already possible, you can download and install as many language
packs as you wish. Do you mean you want them in one >executable?
All languages should be in installation file. Then, when process of
installation starts, application will ask user what languages want to using
(if they want a few, or all of them, user will mark). There will be no need
in a future for download language pack separately. This solution is simpler.
Regards,
Wlada
2014-09-06 11:54 GMT+02:00 Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>:
> On 05/09/2014 Vladislav Stevanovic wrote:
>
>> - Word Count to view the word count at any given time in Status bar
>>
>
> Ariel maintains an extension for that at
> http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/word-count-
> statusbar-controller
>
> - Good features (for non-English country) is ability to download more than
>> one language package for UI and Help system. There is often problem when
>> somebody want to switch from local language to English or vice versa.
>> Sometimes is problem to understand local therm in translated UI and what
>> if
>> you do not have Internet connection to download another version (or simply
>> you have not time for that)?
>>
>
> This is already possible, you can download and install as many language
> packs as you wish. Do you mean you want them in one executable?
>
> - Calc has not support Iferror function. Maybe also another function is
>> there out what Calc do not support. If we want to offer alternative for
>> Office, well we must have all function
>>
>
> This is one of the features that are realistically suitable for new
> volunteers (even though this one would need mentoring too).
>
> Regards,
> Andrea.
>
>
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Re: Forward planning for OO 5.0
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
On 05/09/2014 Vladislav Stevanovic wrote:
> - Word Count to view the word count at any given time in Status bar
Ariel maintains an extension for that at
http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/word-count-statusbar-controller
> - Good features (for non-English country) is ability to download more than
> one language package for UI and Help system. There is often problem when
> somebody want to switch from local language to English or vice versa.
> Sometimes is problem to understand local therm in translated UI and what if
> you do not have Internet connection to download another version (or simply
> you have not time for that)?
This is already possible, you can download and install as many language
packs as you wish. Do you mean you want them in one executable?
> - Calc has not support Iferror function. Maybe also another function is
> there out what Calc do not support. If we want to offer alternative for
> Office, well we must have all function
This is one of the features that are realistically suitable for new
volunteers (even though this one would need mentoring too).
Regards,
Andrea.
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Re: Forward planning for OO 5.0
Posted by FR web forum <oo...@free.fr>.
> support for font embedding in documents
See: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124040
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Re: Forward planning for OO 5.0
Posted by Vladislav Stevanovic <st...@gmail.com>.
Hello,
Some suggests for new features? Well:
- support for font embedding in documents
- Word Count to view the word count at any given time in Status bar
- Oracle Report builder should be integrated inside AOO, like in LO
- Good features (for non-English country) is ability to download more than
one language package for UI and Help system. There is often problem when
somebody want to switch from local language to English or vice versa.
Sometimes is problem to understand local therm in translated UI and what if
you do not have Internet connection to download another version (or simply
you have not time for that)?
- Chart: there would be nice to have X error bars
- Statistic feature, for Calc
- Calc has not support Iferror function. Maybe also another function is
there out what Calc do not support. If we want to offer alternative for
Office, well we must have all function like O...
- ...
Regards,
Wlada
....
2014-09-04 1:09 GMT+02:00 Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>:
> On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 6:04 AM, Mathias Röllig <mr...@gmx.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Am 06.05.2014 um 10:49 schrieb Rory O'Farrell:
> >
> > Now that OO 4.1 is released (and the tidy up of loose ends is in
> >> progress), perhaps it is time to start discussion on proposals for
> >> improvements and additions to OO 5.0.
> >>
> >> Where should this best be done?
> >>
> >
> > After 4 month I ask if there is a place found to discuss and collect
> > features and foremost bugs that must be fixed until 5.0?
> >
> > e. g. issue 105098 is one for the Mac users.
> >
> > Regards, Mathias
>
>
> Two ideas --
>
> * You could start with the QA list, and once a consensus is reached,
> initiate a discussion on "dev"
>
> * You could use an existing planning page on cwiki to make these issues
> more visible--
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+5.0
>
> Please feel free to rename it and/or change the title to something that
> more fits with what you're describing, and just start listing issues that
> have a high priority for the next release or provide a public link to a
> search for them on this new page you create. And, then initiate a
> discussion on "dev".
>
> To a certain extent, active developers do go through BZ and search for
> these, but, giving them more attention by listing them, as a basis for
> discussion here is probably a good idea.
>
> If you don't have a cwiki account, just apply for one.
>
> There are a variety of ways to do what you want to do. Get creative! :)
>
>
>
>
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>
> "Nothing will work unless you do."
> -- Maya Angelou
>
Re: Forward planning for OO 5.0
Posted by Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 6:04 AM, Mathias Röllig <mr...@gmx.net>
wrote:
> Am 06.05.2014 um 10:49 schrieb Rory O'Farrell:
>
> Now that OO 4.1 is released (and the tidy up of loose ends is in
>> progress), perhaps it is time to start discussion on proposals for
>> improvements and additions to OO 5.0.
>>
>> Where should this best be done?
>>
>
> After 4 month I ask if there is a place found to discuss and collect
> features and foremost bugs that must be fixed until 5.0?
>
> e. g. issue 105098 is one for the Mac users.
>
> Regards, Mathias
Two ideas --
* You could start with the QA list, and once a consensus is reached,
initiate a discussion on "dev"
* You could use an existing planning page on cwiki to make these issues
more visible--
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+5.0
Please feel free to rename it and/or change the title to something that
more fits with what you're describing, and just start listing issues that
have a high priority for the next release or provide a public link to a
search for them on this new page you create. And, then initiate a
discussion on "dev".
To a certain extent, active developers do go through BZ and search for
these, but, giving them more attention by listing them, as a basis for
discussion here is probably a good idea.
If you don't have a cwiki account, just apply for one.
There are a variety of ways to do what you want to do. Get creative! :)
>
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