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[DISCUSS] Curating Apps

Hey folks,

Just a quick thought: should we be curating the apps in the showcase to make sure they’re legit? I verify that they’re on an app store, but the Android app store has no curation.

Kindly,
Dmitry

RE: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps

Posted by Parashuram N <pa...@microsoft.com>.

I think it would not be fair to say "submissions now closed", since we had never initially mentioned such a timeframe for submitting apps. The question is, if more folks submit apps, what is the policy on accepting them ? 

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I put apps and tools in the same bucket when it came to adding them to the site. I interpreted our last discussion as, “we’ve gotten enough; close the submissions now”. If we’re cool to still add this tool, then let’s just add it.

Kindly,
Dmitry

On Mar 29, 2016, at 7:53 AM, julio cesar sanchez <jc...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I meant rejecting because it was an old PR and it was rejected now.

But even if there is no button, people can still send PRs. It's less likely, but still possible. And as most of the topic here was about apps, I wanted to know if we have an official statement for tools.

So, if I review this tool now and find it useful, I should open a vote thread before adding it, right? Should it get 3 positive votes as releases?

2016-03-29 16:02 GMT+02:00 Carlos Santana <cs...@gmail.com>>:

Julio "rejecting" sounds so harsh

Since we removed the "add app" and "add tool" from the webpage, there is no process to submit something to be accepted or rejected

I think right now my opinion is that a PMC member would need to do the leg work to review, propose something to be added, and do the work of adding it. PMC members always look out for the best interest of the project, but as always we have lazy consensus it should bring up to other PMC members to see if any would vote -1 for any good reason to no accept the content to be added.

Like I said this is only my opinion of one way of getting something added to tools or apps on the website.

On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 9:38 AM julio cesar sanchez < jcesarmobile@gmail.com<ma...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

I bring the topic back again because recently a tool was rejected and the author mailed us asking (and we have not answered him yet)

So, are we rejecting tools too?

The original topic was "[DISCUSS] Curating Apps" and all the messages were about apps, except this one from Steve that mentions removing "add a tool"
and "add a plugin"

"YES! Removing the "add a tool" and "add a plugin" is the best way to go.
Those PRs require way to much management. Leave it up to PMC to nominate apps."

2015-10-24 3:24 GMT+02:00 Dmitry Blotsky <db...@microsoft.com>>:

Sure, I’m also down for removing the “add your app” option. Switching to putting apps up only at our own discretion makes sense. My only concern is that I personally haven’t tried out many Cordova apps, so I would expect us to have a shortage of apps this way. But if other PMC members have apps to suggest, then we should be good.

To move forward with Carlos’ proposal, we ought to:
- curate the existing list
- have someone explain the change of policy to the PRs still open

Any takers for those two tasks?

Kindly,
Dmitry

On Oct 23, 2015, at 6:01 PM, Steven Gill <st...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

YES! Removing the "add a tool" and "add a plugin" is the best way to go.
Those PRs require way to much management. Leave it up to PMC to nominate apps.

On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 5:41 PM, Nikhil Khandelwal < nikhilkh@microsoft.com<ma...@microsoft.com>>
wrote:

I like Carlos' proposal. Reviewing PRs for these apps and judging by whatever criteria we finally decide (however objective/subjective) will not be worth our time. The volume of PRs over the last couple of weeks has been quite significant in this area.

At the end of the day, we just need 5-10 showcase apps.

-Nikhil

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos Santana [mailto:csantana23@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 5:37 PM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org<ma...@cordova.apache.org>
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps

I think we make it more simpler, a PMC member to propose to add an app that he/she tried out and feels that it deserves to be show case as a good example of a great Cordova App.
- remove the "add your app"
- PMC members mails the list, that he evaluated the app and a short description on why to added and he is planning to added, and ask if someone opposed with a -1
- Like Joe said, we don't need a tons of Apps, just a few will satisfy the goal
- The Apache way, if there are no -1 app get's added.

On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 7:27 PM Dmitry Blotsky < dblotsky@microsoft.com<ma...@microsoft.com>>
wrote:

Sounds like we’ve got some (potentially mutually exclusive) points:
- request detailed app descriptions from submitters
- curate based on detailed criteria
- curate based on loose criteria
- only accept blog posts, and get rid of the showcase
- just accept all requests

Should this be a proposal on cordova-discuss? Or does someone feel like we have a consensus? The ultimate goal is to have something that displays good use of Cordova. I’d personally like to go with the easiest way to achieve this.

Kindly,
Dmitry

On Oct 19, 2015, at 1:28 PM, Joerg Holz <ho...@hamburg.de>> wrote:

I like the slogan: "submit something that helps other developers build a better app“.

I disagree about your app store points, staring, public store, we don’t need that.

And my opion is, that we should promote apps, which are clean or mostly clean from any Framework.

Joerg

Am 19.10.2015 um 20:11 schrieb Ryan J. Salva < rsalva@microsoft.com<ma...@microsoft.com>
:

The original goal for including the app showcase was to demonstrate that developers can build rockstar-quality apps using Cordova. I agree that by opening the invitation to anyone without a vetting process, we fall short of the original goal. Indeed, we might end up with a throng of hobo-quality apps using any technology under the sun :-)

At the same time, I don't want to sign up any of the Cordova committers to navigate the prejudicial question of "what counts as good?"
Thus,
I
like Jörg's proposal that we raise the empirical bar for entry. App developers need to prove not only that their app is a Cordova app, but they have to submit something that helps other developers build a better app.

Here's a straw man proposal intended to provoke response:

Must appear in a public store
Must use Cordova
Minimum 4 start rating
Minimum 1,000 downloads
Submitter must write a 200+ word blog post answering – Which platforms are supported (minimum two) – Which plugins are used?
– Which frameworks are used, if any?
– Syncing, languages, support for disabled people, … – Something about problems – Development environment and tools used

Thoughts?
rjs

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-----Original Message-----
From: Joerg Holz [mailto:holz@hamburg.de]
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 8:11 AM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps

thx for agreeing, but I see things different:

– What means pretty good, who will decide this, how to measure?

– What mean's popular, count of downloads?

Cordova as project has to have a view from Cordova -> Apps and not from the other side. People have to say, why Cordova is good, Cordova has not to say why an app is good.

And, yes, there is a need to have a blog or someting else for helping people and doing the small, but important, things.

The most important thing is, that a lot of people starting with Cordova don’t know a lot about javascript, htlm and css and that is the reason why a lot of questions on SO are unanswered.

Jörg

Am 19.10.2015 um 16:37 schrieb Parashuram N < panarasi@microsoft.com
:

I agree with Joerg. The only reason we have curated apps on the page is to show people that Cordova can be used for building real apps.
One
perception people have today is that Cordova and WebView is not fast enough, or that serious applications are written in native languages.

I think that any app on the showcase should emphasize 3 things

- The app is pretty good, and feels like native and performs like one.
- The app works across multiple platforms, ensuring code sharing
- The app is popular, something that our users may have come across, or would like to try.

While it would be great to talk about how the app was built, I fear that it would be hard to get apps to write all that information. It would actually be awesome if we have blog posts that has articles from these app authors, describing their experience with writing Cordova apps.

On 10/19/15, 5:46 AM, "Joerg Holz" <ho...@hamburg.de> wrote:

I don’t like the phonegap app pages. They are cheap ads for developers, nothing more.

My proposal is another one. Cordova has two main problems in the
public:

– Are complex apps working well?

– How is an app exactly developed?

So, I see a deal: The one, who want’s to be curated on the site has to tell details about the app.

That means:

We could curate apps/developers, if they telling someting about their solutions, for example:

– Which platforms are supported (minimum two)

– Which plugins are used?

– Which frameworks are used, if any?

– Syncing, languages, support for disabled people, …

– Something about problems

– Developing enviroment

A few of the apps are displayed randomly, each in a category (utility, production, … like in the stores) and there is a list with all apps on a second page.

Regards,

Joerg

Am 19.10.2015 um 06:12 schrieb Jesse <purplecabbage@gmail.com
:

This was part of my hesitation in doing this.

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We also have to consider appropriateness of the app, is it adult?
mature?
We cannot display every app submitted.
I agree with automating the display of apps, we don't want to have to do this.

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On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Dmitry Blotsky < dblotsky@microsoft.com<ma...@microsoft.com>>
wrote:

So, there are two items to address here:
- display policy
- content policy

I propose the following policy for app content:
- if the app is on an app store, it is OK to show on our page

I propose the following strategy for app display:
- show 6 apps and 6 tools
- pick them at random at each page load from their respective lists
- when we agree on quality metrics:
  - use them to sort instead of picking randomly OR
  - pick arbitrarily at our discretion

Kindly,
Dmitry

On Oct 16, 2015, at 2:19 PM, julio cesar sanchez < jcesarmobile@gmail.com<ma...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

I think every cordova app should be accepted and displayed, but we should create a "Featured apps" section like

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where we show "the best
of the best", or show the best on first page

2015-10-16 23:07 GMT+02:00 Tommy Williams < tommy@devgeeks.org<ma...@devgeeks.org>
:

+1 for curation.

Apps in the showcase should really be the best of the best, yeah?
Apps
that show that the myths about Cordova aren’t true, etc.

On 17 October 2015 at 07:44:49, Joe Bowser
(bowserj@gmail.com<ma...@gmail.com>)
wrote:

Yes, I definitely think we should be curating the apps to make sure they're legit.

On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Dmitry Blotsky < dblotsky@microsoft.com<ma...@microsoft.com>>
wrote:

Hey folks,

Just a quick thought: should we be curating the apps in the showcase to make sure they’re legit? I verify that they’re on an app store, but the Android app store has no curation.

Kindly,
Dmitry

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Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps

Posted by Dmitry Blotsky <db...@microsoft.com>.

I put apps and tools in the same bucket when it came to adding them to the site. I interpreted our last discussion as, “we’ve gotten enough; close the submissions now”. If we’re cool to still add this tool, then let’s just add it.

Kindly,
Dmitry

On Mar 29, 2016, at 7:53 AM, julio cesar sanchez <jc...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I meant rejecting because it was an old PR and it was rejected now.

But even if there is no button, people can still send PRs. It's less
likely, but still possible. And as most of the topic here was about apps, I
wanted to know if we have an official statement for tools.


So, if I review this tool now and find it useful, I should open a vote
thread before adding it, right? Should it get 3 positive votes as releases?




2016-03-29 16:02 GMT+02:00 Carlos Santana <cs...@gmail.com>>:

Julio "rejecting" sounds so harsh

Since we removed the "add app" and "add tool" from the webpage, there is no
process to submit something to be accepted or rejected

I think right now my opinion is that a PMC member would need to do the leg
work to review, propose something to be added, and do the work of adding
it. PMC members always look out for the best interest of the project, but
as always we have lazy consensus it should bring up to other PMC members to
see if any would vote -1 for any good reason to no accept the content to be
added.

Like I said this is only my opinion of one way of getting something added
to tools or apps on the website.


On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 9:38 AM julio cesar sanchez <
jcesarmobile@gmail.com<ma...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

I bring the topic back again because recently a tool was rejected and the
author mailed us asking (and we have not answered him yet)

So, are we rejecting tools too?

The original topic was "[DISCUSS] Curating Apps" and all the messages
were
about apps, except this one from Steve that mentions removing "add a
tool"
and "add a plugin"

"YES! Removing the "add a tool" and "add a plugin" is the best way to go.
Those PRs require way to much management. Leave it up to PMC to nominate
apps."





2015-10-24 3:24 GMT+02:00 Dmitry Blotsky <db...@microsoft.com>>:

Sure, I’m also down for removing the “add your app” option. Switching
to
putting apps up only at our own discretion makes sense. My only concern
is
that I personally haven’t tried out many Cordova apps, so I would
expect
us
to have a shortage of apps this way. But if other PMC members have apps
to
suggest, then we should be good.

To move forward with Carlos’ proposal, we ought to:
- curate the existing list
- have someone explain the change of policy to the PRs still open

Any takers for those two tasks?

Kindly,
Dmitry

On Oct 23, 2015, at 6:01 PM, Steven Gill <st...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

YES! Removing the "add a tool" and "add a plugin" is the best way to
go.
Those PRs require way to much management. Leave it up to PMC to
nominate
apps.

On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 5:41 PM, Nikhil Khandelwal <
nikhilkh@microsoft.com<ma...@microsoft.com>>
wrote:

I like Carlos' proposal. Reviewing PRs for these apps and judging by
whatever criteria we finally decide (however objective/subjective)
will
not
be worth our time. The volume of PRs over the last couple of weeks
has
been
quite significant in this area.

At the end of the day, we just need 5-10 showcase apps.

-Nikhil

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Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 5:37 PM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org<ma...@cordova.apache.org>
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps

I think we make it more simpler, a PMC member to propose to add an
app
that he/she tried out and feels that it deserves to be show case as
a
good
example of a great Cordova App.
- remove the "add your app"
- PMC members mails the list, that he evaluated the app and a short
description on why to added and he is planning to added, and ask if
someone
opposed with a -1
- Like Joe said, we don't need a tons of Apps, just a few will
satisfy
the
goal
- The Apache way, if there are no -1 app get's added.




On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 7:27 PM Dmitry Blotsky <
dblotsky@microsoft.com<ma...@microsoft.com>>
wrote:

Sounds like we’ve got some (potentially mutually exclusive) points:
- request detailed app descriptions from submitters
- curate based on detailed criteria
- curate based on loose criteria
- only accept blog posts, and get rid of the showcase
- just accept all requests

Should this be a proposal on cordova-discuss? Or does someone feel
like we have a consensus? The ultimate goal is to have something
that
displays good use of Cordova. I’d personally like to go with the
easiest way to achieve this.

Kindly,
Dmitry

On Oct 19, 2015, at 1:28 PM, Joerg Holz <ho...@hamburg.de>> wrote:

I like the slogan: "submit something that helps other developers
build a
better app“.

I disagree about your app store points, staring, public store, we
don’t
need that.

And my opion is, that we should promote apps, which are clean or
mostly
clean from any Framework.


Joerg


Am 19.10.2015 um 20:11 schrieb Ryan J. Salva <
rsalva@microsoft.com<ma...@microsoft.com>
:

The original goal for including the app showcase was to
demonstrate
that developers can build rockstar-quality apps using Cordova. I
agree
that by opening the invitation to anyone without a vetting process,
we
fall short of the original goal. Indeed, we might end up with a
throng
of hobo-quality apps using any technology under the sun :-)

At the same time, I don't want to sign up any of the Cordova
committers
to navigate the prejudicial question of "what counts as good?"
Thus,
I
like Jörg's proposal that we raise the empirical bar for entry. App
developers need to prove not only that their app is a Cordova app,
but
they have to submit something that helps other developers build a
better
app.

Here's a straw man proposal intended to provoke response:

Must appear in a public store
Must use Cordova
Minimum 4 start rating
Minimum 1,000 downloads
Submitter must write a 200+ word blog post answering – Which
platforms are supported (minimum two) – Which plugins are used?
– Which frameworks are used, if any?
– Syncing, languages, support for disabled people, … – Something
about problems – Development environment and tools used

Thoughts?
rjs

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-----Original Message-----
From: Joerg Holz [mailto:holz@hamburg.de]
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 8:11 AM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps

thx for agreeing, but I see things different:

– What means pretty good, who will decide this, how to measure?

– What mean's popular, count of downloads?

Cordova as project has to have a view from Cordova -> Apps and
not
from
the other side. People have to say, why Cordova is good, Cordova
has
not to say why an app is good.


And, yes, there is a need to have a blog or someting else for
helping
people and doing the small, but important, things.

The most important thing is, that a lot of people starting with
Cordova
don’t know a lot about javascript, htlm and css and that is the
reason
why a lot of questions on SO are unanswered.


Jörg


Am 19.10.2015 um 16:37 schrieb Parashuram N <
panarasi@microsoft.com
:

I agree with Joerg. The only reason we have curated apps on the
page
is to show people that Cordova can be used for building real apps.
One
perception people have today is that Cordova and WebView is not
fast
enough, or that serious applications are written in native
languages.

I think that any app on the showcase should emphasize 3 things

- The app is pretty good, and feels like native and performs
like
one.
- The app works across multiple platforms, ensuring code sharing
- The app is popular, something that our users may have come
across,
or would like to try.

While it would be great to talk about how the app was built, I
fear
that it would be hard to get apps to write all that information. It
would actually be awesome if we have blog posts that has articles
from
these app authors, describing their experience with writing Cordova
apps.



On 10/19/15, 5:46 AM, "Joerg Holz" <ho...@hamburg.de> wrote:

I don’t like the phonegap app pages. They are cheap ads for
developers, nothing more.


My proposal is another one. Cordova has two main problems in
the
public:

– Are complex apps working well?

– How is an app exactly developed?


So, I see a deal: The one, who want’s to be curated on the site
has
to tell details about the app.


That means:

We could curate apps/developers, if they telling someting about
their
solutions, for example:

– Which platforms are supported (minimum two)

– Which plugins are used?

– Which frameworks are used, if any?

– Syncing, languages, support for disabled people, …

– Something about problems

– Developing enviroment


A few of the apps are displayed randomly, each in a category
(utility, production, … like in the stores) and there is a list
with
all apps on a second page.


Regards,

Joerg




Am 19.10.2015 um 06:12 schrieb Jesse <purplecabbage@gmail.com
:

This was part of my hesitation in doing this.

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=PhoneGap.com&
data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com
%7cb4e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08

d2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=xLExNR7j
4pa52lvKXsCP2O4lulNcj%2frZJ%2byt0CTJ3uc%3d gets >20
submissions
a week, and someone has to look at
them,
validate them. Here [1] is a link to page 30 of the android
apps,
and there
are 24 apps per page.

We also have to consider appropriateness of the app, is it
adult?
mature?
We cannot display every app submitted.
I agree with automating the display of apps, we don't want to
have
to do
this.

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On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Dmitry Blotsky <
dblotsky@microsoft.com<ma...@microsoft.com>>
wrote:

So, there are two items to address here:
- display policy
- content policy

I propose the following policy for app content:
- if the app is on an app store, it is OK to show on our page

I propose the following strategy for app display:
- show 6 apps and 6 tools
- pick them at random at each page load from their respective
lists
- when we agree on quality metrics:
  - use them to sort instead of picking randomly OR
  - pick arbitrarily at our discretion

Kindly,
Dmitry

On Oct 16, 2015, at 2:19 PM, julio cesar sanchez <
jcesarmobile@gmail.com<ma...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

I think every cordova app should be accepted and displayed,
but we
should
create a "Featured apps" section like


https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=phonegap.com&data=0
1%7c01%7cdblotsky%40microsoft.com<http://40microsoft.com/>
%7cb6348c11e8b944fe70cf08d2d66f7669%7

c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=eDhU2NWipwMST6Kvu%2bxGRZVs
eukwYgOoS2QBhmPTK78%3d
,
where we show "the best
of the best", or show the best on first page

2015-10-16 23:07 GMT+02:00 Tommy Williams <
tommy@devgeeks.org<ma...@devgeeks.org>
:

+1 for curation.

Apps in the showcase should really be the best of the best,
yeah?
Apps
that show that the myths about Cordova aren’t true, etc.


On 17 October 2015 at 07:44:49, Joe Bowser
(bowserj@gmail.com<ma...@gmail.com>)
wrote:

Yes, I definitely think we should be curating the apps to
make
sure
they're
legit.

On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Dmitry Blotsky <
dblotsky@microsoft.com<ma...@microsoft.com>>
wrote:

Hey folks,

Just a quick thought: should we be curating the apps in
the
showcase to
make sure they’re legit? I verify that they’re on an app
store,
but the
Android app store has no curation.

Kindly,
Dmitry





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Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps

Posted by julio cesar sanchez <jc...@gmail.com>.

I meant rejecting because it was an old PR and it was rejected now.

But even if there is no button, people can still send PRs. It's less
likely, but still possible. And as most of the topic here was about apps, I
wanted to know if we have an official statement for tools.


So, if I review this tool now and find it useful, I should open a vote
thread before adding it, right? Should it get 3 positive votes as releases?




2016-03-29 16:02 GMT+02:00 Carlos Santana <cs...@gmail.com>:

> Julio "rejecting" sounds so harsh
>
> Since we removed the "add app" and "add tool" from the webpage, there is no
> process to submit something to be accepted or rejected
>
> I think right now my opinion is that a PMC member would need to do the leg
> work to review, propose something to be added, and do the work of adding
> it. PMC members always look out for the best interest of the project, but
> as always we have lazy consensus it should bring up to other PMC members to
> see if any would vote -1 for any good reason to no accept the content to be
> added.
>
> Like I said this is only my opinion of one way of getting something added
> to tools or apps on the website.
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 9:38 AM julio cesar sanchez <
> jcesarmobile@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I bring the topic back again because recently a tool was rejected and the
> > author mailed us asking (and we have not answered him yet)
> >
> > So, are we rejecting tools too?
> >
> > The original topic was "[DISCUSS] Curating Apps" and all the messages
> were
> > about apps, except this one from Steve that mentions removing "add a
> tool"
> > and "add a plugin"
> >
> > "YES! Removing the "add a tool" and "add a plugin" is the best way to go.
> > Those PRs require way to much management. Leave it up to PMC to nominate
> > apps."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2015-10-24 3:24 GMT+02:00 Dmitry Blotsky <db...@microsoft.com>:
> >
> > > Sure, I’m also down for removing the “add your app” option. Switching
> to
> > > putting apps up only at our own discretion makes sense. My only concern
> > is
> > > that I personally haven’t tried out many Cordova apps, so I would
> expect
> > us
> > > to have a shortage of apps this way. But if other PMC members have apps
> > to
> > > suggest, then we should be good.
> > >
> > > To move forward with Carlos’ proposal, we ought to:
> > > - curate the existing list
> > > - have someone explain the change of policy to the PRs still open
> > >
> > > Any takers for those two tasks?
> > >
> > > Kindly,
> > > Dmitry
> > >
> > > > On Oct 23, 2015, at 6:01 PM, Steven Gill <st...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > YES! Removing the "add a tool" and "add a plugin" is the best way to
> > go.
> > > > Those PRs require way to much management. Leave it up to PMC to
> > nominate
> > > > apps.
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 5:41 PM, Nikhil Khandelwal <
> > > nikhilkh@microsoft.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I like Carlos' proposal. Reviewing PRs for these apps and judging by
> > > >> whatever criteria we finally decide (however objective/subjective)
> > will
> > > not
> > > >> be worth our time. The volume of PRs over the last couple of weeks
> has
> > > been
> > > >> quite significant in this area.
> > > >>
> > > >> At the end of the day, we just need 5-10 showcase apps.
> > > >>
> > > >> -Nikhil
> > > >>
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: Carlos Santana [mailto:csantana23@gmail.com]
> > > >> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 5:37 PM
> > > >> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> > > >> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps
> > > >>
> > > >> I think we make it more simpler, a PMC member to propose to add an
> app
> > > >> that he/she tried out and feels that it deserves to be show case as
> a
> > > good
> > > >> example of a great Cordova App.
> > > >> - remove the "add your app"
> > > >> - PMC members mails the list, that he evaluated the app and a short
> > > >> description on why to added and he is planning to added, and ask if
> > > someone
> > > >> opposed with a -1
> > > >> - Like Joe said, we don't need a tons of Apps, just a few will
> satisfy
> > > the
> > > >> goal
> > > >> - The Apache way, if there are no -1 app get's added.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 7:27 PM Dmitry Blotsky <
> > dblotsky@microsoft.com>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Sounds like we’ve got some (potentially mutually exclusive) points:
> > > >>> - request detailed app descriptions from submitters
> > > >>> - curate based on detailed criteria
> > > >>> - curate based on loose criteria
> > > >>> - only accept blog posts, and get rid of the showcase
> > > >>> - just accept all requests
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Should this be a proposal on cordova-discuss? Or does someone feel
> > > >>> like we have a consensus? The ultimate goal is to have something
> that
> > > >>> displays good use of Cordova. I’d personally like to go with the
> > > >>> easiest way to achieve this.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Kindly,
> > > >>> Dmitry
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> On Oct 19, 2015, at 1:28 PM, Joerg Holz <ho...@hamburg.de> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I like the slogan: "submit something that helps other developers
> > > >>>> build a
> > > >>> better app“.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I disagree about your app store points, staring, public store, we
> > > >>>> don’t
> > > >>> need that.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> And my opion is, that we should promote apps, which are clean or
> > > >>>> mostly
> > > >>> clean from any Framework.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Joerg
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> Am 19.10.2015 um 20:11 schrieb Ryan J. Salva <
> rsalva@microsoft.com
> > >:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> The original goal for including the app showcase was to
> demonstrate
> > > >>> that developers can build rockstar-quality apps using Cordova. I
> > agree
> > > >>> that by opening the invitation to anyone without a vetting process,
> > we
> > > >>> fall short of the original goal. Indeed, we might end up with a
> > throng
> > > >>> of hobo-quality apps using any technology under the sun :-)
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> At the same time, I don't want to sign up any of the Cordova
> > > >>>>> committers
> > > >>> to navigate the prejudicial question of "what counts as good?"
> Thus,
> > I
> > > >>> like Jörg's proposal that we raise the empirical bar for entry. App
> > > >>> developers need to prove not only that their app is a Cordova app,
> > but
> > > >>> they have to submit something that helps other developers build a
> > > better
> > > >> app.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Here's a straw man proposal intended to provoke response:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Must appear in a public store
> > > >>>>> Must use Cordova
> > > >>>>> Minimum 4 start rating
> > > >>>>> Minimum 1,000 downloads
> > > >>>>> Submitter must write a 200+ word blog post answering – Which
> > > >>>>> platforms are supported (minimum two) – Which plugins are used?
> > > >>>>> – Which frameworks are used, if any?
> > > >>>>> – Syncing, languages, support for disabled people, … – Something
> > > >>>>> about problems – Development environment and tools used
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Thoughts?
> > > >>>>> rjs
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Ryan J. Salva  |  Principal Program Manager Lead Visual Studio
> > > >>>>> Tools for Apache Cordova rsalva@microsoft.com
> > > >>>>> 206 612 5079 mobile
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>>>> From: Joerg Holz [mailto:holz@hamburg.de]
> > > >>>>> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 8:11 AM
> > > >>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> > > >>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> thx for agreeing, but I see things different:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> – What means pretty good, who will decide this, how to measure?
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> – What mean's popular, count of downloads?
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Cordova as project has to have a view from Cordova -> Apps and
> not
> > > >>>>> from
> > > >>> the other side. People have to say, why Cordova is good, Cordova
> has
> > > >>> not to say why an app is good.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> And, yes, there is a need to have a blog or someting else for
> > > >>>>> helping
> > > >>> people and doing the small, but important, things.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> The most important thing is, that a lot of people starting with
> > > >>>>> Cordova
> > > >>> don’t know a lot about javascript, htlm and css and that is the
> > reason
> > > >>> why a lot of questions on SO are unanswered.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Jörg
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Am 19.10.2015 um 16:37 schrieb Parashuram N <
> > panarasi@microsoft.com
> > > >>> :
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> I agree with Joerg. The only reason we have curated apps on the
> > > >>>>>> page
> > > >>> is to show people that Cordova can be used for building real apps.
> > One
> > > >>> perception people have today is that Cordova and WebView is not
> fast
> > > >>> enough, or that serious applications are written in native
> languages.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> I think that any app on the showcase should emphasize 3 things
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> - The app is pretty good, and feels like native and performs
> like
> > > >> one.
> > > >>>>>> - The app works across multiple platforms, ensuring code sharing
> > > >>>>>> - The app is popular, something that our users may have come
> > > >>>>>> across,
> > > >>> or would like to try.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> While it would be great to talk about how the app was built, I
> > > >>>>>> fear
> > > >>> that it would be hard to get apps to write all that information. It
> > > >>> would actually be awesome if we have blog posts that has articles
> > from
> > > >>> these app authors, describing their experience with writing Cordova
> > > apps.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> On 10/19/15, 5:46 AM, "Joerg Holz" <ho...@hamburg.de> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> I don’t like the phonegap app pages. They are cheap ads for
> > > >>> developers, nothing more.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> My proposal is another one. Cordova has two main problems in
> the
> > > >>> public:
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> – Are complex apps working well?
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> – How is an app exactly developed?
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> So, I see a deal: The one, who want’s to be curated on the site
> > > >>>>>>> has
> > > >>> to tell details about the app.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> That means:
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> We could curate apps/developers, if they telling someting about
> > > >>>>>>> their
> > > >>> solutions, for example:
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> – Which platforms are supported (minimum two)
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> – Which plugins are used?
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> – Which frameworks are used, if any?
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> – Syncing, languages, support for disabled people, …
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> – Something about problems
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> – Developing enviroment
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> A few of the apps are displayed randomly, each in a category
> > > >>> (utility, production, … like in the stores) and there is a list
> with
> > > >>> all apps on a second page.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Regards,
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Joerg
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Am 19.10.2015 um 06:12 schrieb Jesse <purplecabbage@gmail.com
> >:
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> This was part of my hesitation in doing this.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=PhoneGap.com&
> > > >>>>>>>> data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com
> > %7cb4e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08
> > > >>>>>>>>
> d2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=xLExNR7j
> > > >>>>>>>> 4pa52lvKXsCP2O4lulNcj%2frZJ%2byt0CTJ3uc%3d gets >20
> submissions
> > > >>>>>>>> a week, and someone has to look at
> > > >>> them,
> > > >>>>>>>> validate them. Here [1] is a link to page 30 of the android
> > > >>>>>>>> apps,
> > > >>> and there
> > > >>>>>>>> are 24 apps per page.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> We also have to consider appropriateness of the app, is it
> > adult?
> > > >>> mature?
> > > >>>>>>>> We cannot display every app submitted.
> > > >>>>>>>> I agree with automating the display of apps, we don't want to
> > > >>>>>>>> have
> > > >>> to do
> > > >>>>>>>> this.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> [1]
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2f
> > > >>>>>>>> phonegap.com
> > %2fapp%2fandroid%2fpage30%2f&data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh
> > > >>>>>>>> %40microsoft.com
> > %7cb4e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08d2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86
> > > >>>>>>>>
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> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> My team is hiring!
> > > >>>>>>>> @purplecabbage
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=risingj.com&d
> > > >>>>>>>> ata=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com
> > %7cb4e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08d
> > > >>>>>>>>
> 2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=706mqaB8n
> > > >>>>>>>> 8QvdQl2bA30UyGqKWmxzAkBJgT0jPcBAa0%3d
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Dmitry Blotsky <
> > > >>> dblotsky@microsoft.com>
> > > >>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> So, there are two items to address here:
> > > >>>>>>>>> - display policy
> > > >>>>>>>>> - content policy
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> I propose the following policy for app content:
> > > >>>>>>>>> - if the app is on an app store, it is OK to show on our page
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> I propose the following strategy for app display:
> > > >>>>>>>>> - show 6 apps and 6 tools
> > > >>>>>>>>> - pick them at random at each page load from their respective
> > > >>>>>>>>> lists
> > > >>>>>>>>> - when we agree on quality metrics:
> > > >>>>>>>>>    - use them to sort instead of picking randomly OR
> > > >>>>>>>>>    - pick arbitrarily at our discretion
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Kindly,
> > > >>>>>>>>> Dmitry
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> On Oct 16, 2015, at 2:19 PM, julio cesar sanchez <
> > > >>> jcesarmobile@gmail.com>
> > > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> I think every cordova app should be accepted and displayed,
> > > >>>>>>>>>> but we
> > > >>> should
> > > >>>>>>>>>> create a "Featured apps" section like
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>
> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=phonegap.com&data=0
> > > >>> 1%7c01%7cdblotsky%40microsoft.com
> > %7cb6348c11e8b944fe70cf08d2d66f7669%7
> > > >>>
> > c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=eDhU2NWipwMST6Kvu%2bxGRZVs
> > > >>> eukwYgOoS2QBhmPTK78%3d
> > > >>> ,
> > > >>>>>>>>> where we show "the best
> > > >>>>>>>>>> of the best", or show the best on first page
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> 2015-10-16 23:07 GMT+02:00 Tommy Williams <
> tommy@devgeeks.org
> > >:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> +1 for curation.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Apps in the showcase should really be the best of the best,
> > > >> yeah?
> > > >>> Apps
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> that show that the myths about Cordova aren’t true, etc.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> On 17 October 2015 at 07:44:49, Joe Bowser
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> (bowserj@gmail.com)
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I definitely think we should be curating the apps to
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> make
> > > >>> sure
> > > >>>>>>>>> they're
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> legit.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Dmitry Blotsky <
> > > >>>>>>>>> dblotsky@microsoft.com>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Hey folks,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Just a quick thought: should we be curating the apps in
> the
> > > >>> showcase to
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> make sure they’re legit? I verify that they’re on an app
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> store,
> > > >>> but the
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Android app store has no curation.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Kindly,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Dmitry
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@cordova.apache.org
> > > >>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------
> > > >>>>>>> Jörg Holz | +49-175-640 35 80
> > > >>>>>>> holz@hamburg.de
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> RELAUNCHED:
> > > >>>>>>>
> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fw
> > > >>>>>>> ww.workflow-management.net&data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%
> > 40microsoft.co
> > > >>>>>>>
> m%7cb4e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08d2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd0
> > > >>>>>>>
> 11db47%7c1&sdata=%2f5DJs4wLmVE2h3mxf8WSUCVl5L%2bMK0KpytC%2bnQn1Dq
> > > >>>>>>> g%3d
> > > >>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >>>>>> --- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@cordova.apache.org
> > > >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------
> > > >>>>> Jörg Holz | +49-175-640 35 80
> > > >>>>> holz@hamburg.de
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> RELAUNCHED:
> > > >>>>>
> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fwww
> > > >>>>> .workflow-management.net&data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com
> > %7c
> > > >>>>>
> b4e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08d2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47
> > > >>>>> %7c1&sdata=%2f5DJs4wLmVE2h3mxf8WSUCVl5L%2bMK0KpytC%2bnQn1Dqg%3d
> > > >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >>>>> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@cordova.apache.org
> > > >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> --------------------------------------------------------
> > > >>>> Jörg Holz | +49-175-640 35 80
> > > >>>> holz@hamburg.de
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> RELAUNCHED:
> > > >>>>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fwww
> > .
> > > >>>> workflow-management.net&data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com
> > %7cb4
> > > >>>>
> e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08d2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c
> > > >>>> 1&sdata=%2f5DJs4wLmVE2h3mxf8WSUCVl5L%2bMK0KpytC%2bnQn1Dqg%3d
> > > >>>> --------------------------------------------------------
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps

Posted by Carlos Santana <cs...@gmail.com>.

Julio "rejecting" sounds so harsh

Since we removed the "add app" and "add tool" from the webpage, there is no
process to submit something to be accepted or rejected

I think right now my opinion is that a PMC member would need to do the leg
work to review, propose something to be added, and do the work of adding
it. PMC members always look out for the best interest of the project, but
as always we have lazy consensus it should bring up to other PMC members to
see if any would vote -1 for any good reason to no accept the content to be
added.

Like I said this is only my opinion of one way of getting something added
to tools or apps on the website.


On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 9:38 AM julio cesar sanchez <jc...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I bring the topic back again because recently a tool was rejected and the
> author mailed us asking (and we have not answered him yet)
>
> So, are we rejecting tools too?
>
> The original topic was "[DISCUSS] Curating Apps" and all the messages were
> about apps, except this one from Steve that mentions removing "add a tool"
> and "add a plugin"
>
> "YES! Removing the "add a tool" and "add a plugin" is the best way to go.
> Those PRs require way to much management. Leave it up to PMC to nominate
> apps."
>
>
>
>
>
> 2015-10-24 3:24 GMT+02:00 Dmitry Blotsky <db...@microsoft.com>:
>
> > Sure, I’m also down for removing the “add your app” option. Switching to
> > putting apps up only at our own discretion makes sense. My only concern
> is
> > that I personally haven’t tried out many Cordova apps, so I would expect
> us
> > to have a shortage of apps this way. But if other PMC members have apps
> to
> > suggest, then we should be good.
> >
> > To move forward with Carlos’ proposal, we ought to:
> > - curate the existing list
> > - have someone explain the change of policy to the PRs still open
> >
> > Any takers for those two tasks?
> >
> > Kindly,
> > Dmitry
> >
> > > On Oct 23, 2015, at 6:01 PM, Steven Gill <st...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > YES! Removing the "add a tool" and "add a plugin" is the best way to
> go.
> > > Those PRs require way to much management. Leave it up to PMC to
> nominate
> > > apps.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 5:41 PM, Nikhil Khandelwal <
> > nikhilkh@microsoft.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> I like Carlos' proposal. Reviewing PRs for these apps and judging by
> > >> whatever criteria we finally decide (however objective/subjective)
> will
> > not
> > >> be worth our time. The volume of PRs over the last couple of weeks has
> > been
> > >> quite significant in this area.
> > >>
> > >> At the end of the day, we just need 5-10 showcase apps.
> > >>
> > >> -Nikhil
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Carlos Santana [mailto:csantana23@gmail.com]
> > >> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 5:37 PM
> > >> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> > >> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps
> > >>
> > >> I think we make it more simpler, a PMC member to propose to add an app
> > >> that he/she tried out and feels that it deserves to be show case as a
> > good
> > >> example of a great Cordova App.
> > >> - remove the "add your app"
> > >> - PMC members mails the list, that he evaluated the app and a short
> > >> description on why to added and he is planning to added, and ask if
> > someone
> > >> opposed with a -1
> > >> - Like Joe said, we don't need a tons of Apps, just a few will satisfy
> > the
> > >> goal
> > >> - The Apache way, if there are no -1 app get's added.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 7:27 PM Dmitry Blotsky <
> dblotsky@microsoft.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Sounds like we’ve got some (potentially mutually exclusive) points:
> > >>> - request detailed app descriptions from submitters
> > >>> - curate based on detailed criteria
> > >>> - curate based on loose criteria
> > >>> - only accept blog posts, and get rid of the showcase
> > >>> - just accept all requests
> > >>>
> > >>> Should this be a proposal on cordova-discuss? Or does someone feel
> > >>> like we have a consensus? The ultimate goal is to have something that
> > >>> displays good use of Cordova. I’d personally like to go with the
> > >>> easiest way to achieve this.
> > >>>
> > >>> Kindly,
> > >>> Dmitry
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Oct 19, 2015, at 1:28 PM, Joerg Holz <ho...@hamburg.de> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I like the slogan: "submit something that helps other developers
> > >>>> build a
> > >>> better app“.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I disagree about your app store points, staring, public store, we
> > >>>> don’t
> > >>> need that.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> And my opion is, that we should promote apps, which are clean or
> > >>>> mostly
> > >>> clean from any Framework.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Joerg
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Am 19.10.2015 um 20:11 schrieb Ryan J. Salva <rsalva@microsoft.com
> >:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> The original goal for including the app showcase was to demonstrate
> > >>> that developers can build rockstar-quality apps using Cordova. I
> agree
> > >>> that by opening the invitation to anyone without a vetting process,
> we
> > >>> fall short of the original goal. Indeed, we might end up with a
> throng
> > >>> of hobo-quality apps using any technology under the sun :-)
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> At the same time, I don't want to sign up any of the Cordova
> > >>>>> committers
> > >>> to navigate the prejudicial question of "what counts as good?" Thus,
> I
> > >>> like Jörg's proposal that we raise the empirical bar for entry. App
> > >>> developers need to prove not only that their app is a Cordova app,
> but
> > >>> they have to submit something that helps other developers build a
> > better
> > >> app.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Here's a straw man proposal intended to provoke response:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Must appear in a public store
> > >>>>> Must use Cordova
> > >>>>> Minimum 4 start rating
> > >>>>> Minimum 1,000 downloads
> > >>>>> Submitter must write a 200+ word blog post answering – Which
> > >>>>> platforms are supported (minimum two) – Which plugins are used?
> > >>>>> – Which frameworks are used, if any?
> > >>>>> – Syncing, languages, support for disabled people, … – Something
> > >>>>> about problems – Development environment and tools used
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Thoughts?
> > >>>>> rjs
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Ryan J. Salva  |  Principal Program Manager Lead Visual Studio
> > >>>>> Tools for Apache Cordova rsalva@microsoft.com
> > >>>>> 206 612 5079 mobile
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>> From: Joerg Holz [mailto:holz@hamburg.de]
> > >>>>> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 8:11 AM
> > >>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> thx for agreeing, but I see things different:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> – What means pretty good, who will decide this, how to measure?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> – What mean's popular, count of downloads?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Cordova as project has to have a view from Cordova -> Apps and not
> > >>>>> from
> > >>> the other side. People have to say, why Cordova is good, Cordova has
> > >>> not to say why an app is good.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> And, yes, there is a need to have a blog or someting else for
> > >>>>> helping
> > >>> people and doing the small, but important, things.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> The most important thing is, that a lot of people starting with
> > >>>>> Cordova
> > >>> don’t know a lot about javascript, htlm and css and that is the
> reason
> > >>> why a lot of questions on SO are unanswered.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Jörg
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Am 19.10.2015 um 16:37 schrieb Parashuram N <
> panarasi@microsoft.com
> > >>> :
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I agree with Joerg. The only reason we have curated apps on the
> > >>>>>> page
> > >>> is to show people that Cordova can be used for building real apps.
> One
> > >>> perception people have today is that Cordova and WebView is not fast
> > >>> enough, or that serious applications are written in native languages.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I think that any app on the showcase should emphasize 3 things
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> - The app is pretty good, and feels like native and performs like
> > >> one.
> > >>>>>> - The app works across multiple platforms, ensuring code sharing
> > >>>>>> - The app is popular, something that our users may have come
> > >>>>>> across,
> > >>> or would like to try.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> While it would be great to talk about how the app was built, I
> > >>>>>> fear
> > >>> that it would be hard to get apps to write all that information. It
> > >>> would actually be awesome if we have blog posts that has articles
> from
> > >>> these app authors, describing their experience with writing Cordova
> > apps.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On 10/19/15, 5:46 AM, "Joerg Holz" <ho...@hamburg.de> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I don’t like the phonegap app pages. They are cheap ads for
> > >>> developers, nothing more.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> My proposal is another one. Cordova has two main problems in the
> > >>> public:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> – Are complex apps working well?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> – How is an app exactly developed?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> So, I see a deal: The one, who want’s to be curated on the site
> > >>>>>>> has
> > >>> to tell details about the app.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> That means:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> We could curate apps/developers, if they telling someting about
> > >>>>>>> their
> > >>> solutions, for example:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> – Which platforms are supported (minimum two)
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> – Which plugins are used?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> – Which frameworks are used, if any?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> – Syncing, languages, support for disabled people, …
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> – Something about problems
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> – Developing enviroment
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> A few of the apps are displayed randomly, each in a category
> > >>> (utility, production, … like in the stores) and there is a list with
> > >>> all apps on a second page.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Regards,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Joerg
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Am 19.10.2015 um 06:12 schrieb Jesse <pu...@gmail.com>:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> This was part of my hesitation in doing this.
> > >>>>>>>>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=PhoneGap.com&
> > >>>>>>>> data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com
> %7cb4e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08
> > >>>>>>>> d2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=xLExNR7j
> > >>>>>>>> 4pa52lvKXsCP2O4lulNcj%2frZJ%2byt0CTJ3uc%3d gets >20 submissions
> > >>>>>>>> a week, and someone has to look at
> > >>> them,
> > >>>>>>>> validate them. Here [1] is a link to page 30 of the android
> > >>>>>>>> apps,
> > >>> and there
> > >>>>>>>> are 24 apps per page.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> We also have to consider appropriateness of the app, is it
> adult?
> > >>> mature?
> > >>>>>>>> We cannot display every app submitted.
> > >>>>>>>> I agree with automating the display of apps, we don't want to
> > >>>>>>>> have
> > >>> to do
> > >>>>>>>> this.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> [1]
> > >>>>>>>>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2f
> > >>>>>>>> phonegap.com
> %2fapp%2fandroid%2fpage30%2f&data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh
> > >>>>>>>> %40microsoft.com
> %7cb4e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08d2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86
> > >>>>>>>> f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=nb0SdGVESw8oFtNdQxYNRoOL1bKT7vf
> > >>>>>>>> maXep4hQevkA%3d
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> My team is hiring!
> > >>>>>>>> @purplecabbage
> > >>>>>>>>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=risingj.com&d
> > >>>>>>>> ata=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com
> %7cb4e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08d
> > >>>>>>>> 2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=706mqaB8n
> > >>>>>>>> 8QvdQl2bA30UyGqKWmxzAkBJgT0jPcBAa0%3d
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Dmitry Blotsky <
> > >>> dblotsky@microsoft.com>
> > >>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> So, there are two items to address here:
> > >>>>>>>>> - display policy
> > >>>>>>>>> - content policy
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> I propose the following policy for app content:
> > >>>>>>>>> - if the app is on an app store, it is OK to show on our page
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> I propose the following strategy for app display:
> > >>>>>>>>> - show 6 apps and 6 tools
> > >>>>>>>>> - pick them at random at each page load from their respective
> > >>>>>>>>> lists
> > >>>>>>>>> - when we agree on quality metrics:
> > >>>>>>>>>    - use them to sort instead of picking randomly OR
> > >>>>>>>>>    - pick arbitrarily at our discretion
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Kindly,
> > >>>>>>>>> Dmitry
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> On Oct 16, 2015, at 2:19 PM, julio cesar sanchez <
> > >>> jcesarmobile@gmail.com>
> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> I think every cordova app should be accepted and displayed,
> > >>>>>>>>>> but we
> > >>> should
> > >>>>>>>>>> create a "Featured apps" section like
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=phonegap.com&data=0
> > >>> 1%7c01%7cdblotsky%40microsoft.com
> %7cb6348c11e8b944fe70cf08d2d66f7669%7
> > >>>
> c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=eDhU2NWipwMST6Kvu%2bxGRZVs
> > >>> eukwYgOoS2QBhmPTK78%3d
> > >>> ,
> > >>>>>>>>> where we show "the best
> > >>>>>>>>>> of the best", or show the best on first page
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> 2015-10-16 23:07 GMT+02:00 Tommy Williams <tommy@devgeeks.org
> >:
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> +1 for curation.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Apps in the showcase should really be the best of the best,
> > >> yeah?
> > >>> Apps
> > >>>>>>>>>>> that show that the myths about Cordova aren’t true, etc.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> On 17 October 2015 at 07:44:49, Joe Bowser
> > >>>>>>>>>>> (bowserj@gmail.com)
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I definitely think we should be curating the apps to
> > >>>>>>>>>>> make
> > >>> sure
> > >>>>>>>>> they're
> > >>>>>>>>>>> legit.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Dmitry Blotsky <
> > >>>>>>>>> dblotsky@microsoft.com>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Hey folks,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Just a quick thought: should we be curating the apps in the
> > >>> showcase to
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> make sure they’re legit? I verify that they’re on an app
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> store,
> > >>> but the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Android app store has no curation.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Kindly,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Dmitry
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@cordova.apache.org
> > >>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>>>>> Jörg Holz | +49-175-640 35 80
> > >>>>>>> holz@hamburg.de
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> RELAUNCHED:
> > >>>>>>>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fw
> > >>>>>>> ww.workflow-management.net&data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%
> 40microsoft.co
> > >>>>>>> m%7cb4e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08d2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd0
> > >>>>>>> 11db47%7c1&sdata=%2f5DJs4wLmVE2h3mxf8WSUCVl5L%2bMK0KpytC%2bnQn1Dq
> > >>>>>>> g%3d
> > >>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>>>> --- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@cordova.apache.org
> > >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>>> Jörg Holz | +49-175-640 35 80
> > >>>>> holz@hamburg.de
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> RELAUNCHED:
> > >>>>>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fwww
> > >>>>> .workflow-management.net&data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com
> %7c
> > >>>>> b4e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08d2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47
> > >>>>> %7c1&sdata=%2f5DJs4wLmVE2h3mxf8WSUCVl5L%2bMK0KpytC%2bnQn1Dqg%3d
> > >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>>> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@cordova.apache.org
> > >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>> Jörg Holz | +49-175-640 35 80
> > >>>> holz@hamburg.de
> > >>>>
> > >>>> RELAUNCHED:
> > >>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fwww
> .
> > >>>> workflow-management.net&data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com
> %7cb4
> > >>>> e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08d2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c
> > >>>> 1&sdata=%2f5DJs4wLmVE2h3mxf8WSUCVl5L%2bMK0KpytC%2bnQn1Dqg%3d
> > >>>> --------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps

Posted by julio cesar sanchez <jc...@gmail.com>.

I bring the topic back again because recently a tool was rejected and the
author mailed us asking (and we have not answered him yet)

So, are we rejecting tools too?

The original topic was "[DISCUSS] Curating Apps" and all the messages were
about apps, except this one from Steve that mentions removing "add a tool"
and "add a plugin"

"YES! Removing the "add a tool" and "add a plugin" is the best way to go.
Those PRs require way to much management. Leave it up to PMC to nominate
apps."





2015-10-24 3:24 GMT+02:00 Dmitry Blotsky <db...@microsoft.com>:

> Sure, I’m also down for removing the “add your app” option. Switching to
> putting apps up only at our own discretion makes sense. My only concern is
> that I personally haven’t tried out many Cordova apps, so I would expect us
> to have a shortage of apps this way. But if other PMC members have apps to
> suggest, then we should be good.
>
> To move forward with Carlos’ proposal, we ought to:
> - curate the existing list
> - have someone explain the change of policy to the PRs still open
>
> Any takers for those two tasks?
>
> Kindly,
> Dmitry
>
> > On Oct 23, 2015, at 6:01 PM, Steven Gill <st...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > YES! Removing the "add a tool" and "add a plugin" is the best way to go.
> > Those PRs require way to much management. Leave it up to PMC to nominate
> > apps.
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 5:41 PM, Nikhil Khandelwal <
> nikhilkh@microsoft.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I like Carlos' proposal. Reviewing PRs for these apps and judging by
> >> whatever criteria we finally decide (however objective/subjective) will
> not
> >> be worth our time. The volume of PRs over the last couple of weeks has
> been
> >> quite significant in this area.
> >>
> >> At the end of the day, we just need 5-10 showcase apps.
> >>
> >> -Nikhil
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Carlos Santana [mailto:csantana23@gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 5:37 PM
> >> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> >> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps
> >>
> >> I think we make it more simpler, a PMC member to propose to add an app
> >> that he/she tried out and feels that it deserves to be show case as a
> good
> >> example of a great Cordova App.
> >> - remove the "add your app"
> >> - PMC members mails the list, that he evaluated the app and a short
> >> description on why to added and he is planning to added, and ask if
> someone
> >> opposed with a -1
> >> - Like Joe said, we don't need a tons of Apps, just a few will satisfy
> the
> >> goal
> >> - The Apache way, if there are no -1 app get's added.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 7:27 PM Dmitry Blotsky <db...@microsoft.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Sounds like we’ve got some (potentially mutually exclusive) points:
> >>> - request detailed app descriptions from submitters
> >>> - curate based on detailed criteria
> >>> - curate based on loose criteria
> >>> - only accept blog posts, and get rid of the showcase
> >>> - just accept all requests
> >>>
> >>> Should this be a proposal on cordova-discuss? Or does someone feel
> >>> like we have a consensus? The ultimate goal is to have something that
> >>> displays good use of Cordova. I’d personally like to go with the
> >>> easiest way to achieve this.
> >>>
> >>> Kindly,
> >>> Dmitry
> >>>
> >>>> On Oct 19, 2015, at 1:28 PM, Joerg Holz <ho...@hamburg.de> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I like the slogan: "submit something that helps other developers
> >>>> build a
> >>> better app“.
> >>>>
> >>>> I disagree about your app store points, staring, public store, we
> >>>> don’t
> >>> need that.
> >>>>
> >>>> And my opion is, that we should promote apps, which are clean or
> >>>> mostly
> >>> clean from any Framework.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Joerg
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Am 19.10.2015 um 20:11 schrieb Ryan J. Salva <rs...@microsoft.com>:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The original goal for including the app showcase was to demonstrate
> >>> that developers can build rockstar-quality apps using Cordova. I agree
> >>> that by opening the invitation to anyone without a vetting process, we
> >>> fall short of the original goal. Indeed, we might end up with a throng
> >>> of hobo-quality apps using any technology under the sun :-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> At the same time, I don't want to sign up any of the Cordova
> >>>>> committers
> >>> to navigate the prejudicial question of "what counts as good?" Thus, I
> >>> like Jörg's proposal that we raise the empirical bar for entry. App
> >>> developers need to prove not only that their app is a Cordova app, but
> >>> they have to submit something that helps other developers build a
> better
> >> app.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Here's a straw man proposal intended to provoke response:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Must appear in a public store
> >>>>> Must use Cordova
> >>>>> Minimum 4 start rating
> >>>>> Minimum 1,000 downloads
> >>>>> Submitter must write a 200+ word blog post answering – Which
> >>>>> platforms are supported (minimum two) – Which plugins are used?
> >>>>> – Which frameworks are used, if any?
> >>>>> – Syncing, languages, support for disabled people, … – Something
> >>>>> about problems – Development environment and tools used
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thoughts?
> >>>>> rjs
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ryan J. Salva  |  Principal Program Manager Lead Visual Studio
> >>>>> Tools for Apache Cordova rsalva@microsoft.com
> >>>>> 206 612 5079 mobile
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Joerg Holz [mailto:holz@hamburg.de]
> >>>>> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 8:11 AM
> >>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps
> >>>>>
> >>>>> thx for agreeing, but I see things different:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> – What means pretty good, who will decide this, how to measure?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> – What mean's popular, count of downloads?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cordova as project has to have a view from Cordova -> Apps and not
> >>>>> from
> >>> the other side. People have to say, why Cordova is good, Cordova has
> >>> not to say why an app is good.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And, yes, there is a need to have a blog or someting else for
> >>>>> helping
> >>> people and doing the small, but important, things.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The most important thing is, that a lot of people starting with
> >>>>> Cordova
> >>> don’t know a lot about javascript, htlm and css and that is the reason
> >>> why a lot of questions on SO are unanswered.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jörg
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Am 19.10.2015 um 16:37 schrieb Parashuram N <panarasi@microsoft.com
> >>> :
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I agree with Joerg. The only reason we have curated apps on the
> >>>>>> page
> >>> is to show people that Cordova can be used for building real apps. One
> >>> perception people have today is that Cordova and WebView is not fast
> >>> enough, or that serious applications are written in native languages.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I think that any app on the showcase should emphasize 3 things
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> - The app is pretty good, and feels like native and performs like
> >> one.
> >>>>>> - The app works across multiple platforms, ensuring code sharing
> >>>>>> - The app is popular, something that our users may have come
> >>>>>> across,
> >>> or would like to try.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> While it would be great to talk about how the app was built, I
> >>>>>> fear
> >>> that it would be hard to get apps to write all that information. It
> >>> would actually be awesome if we have blog posts that has articles from
> >>> these app authors, describing their experience with writing Cordova
> apps.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 10/19/15, 5:46 AM, "Joerg Holz" <ho...@hamburg.de> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I don’t like the phonegap app pages. They are cheap ads for
> >>> developers, nothing more.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> My proposal is another one. Cordova has two main problems in the
> >>> public:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> – Are complex apps working well?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> – How is an app exactly developed?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> So, I see a deal: The one, who want’s to be curated on the site
> >>>>>>> has
> >>> to tell details about the app.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> That means:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> We could curate apps/developers, if they telling someting about
> >>>>>>> their
> >>> solutions, for example:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> – Which platforms are supported (minimum two)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> – Which plugins are used?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> – Which frameworks are used, if any?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> – Syncing, languages, support for disabled people, …
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> – Something about problems
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> – Developing enviroment
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> A few of the apps are displayed randomly, each in a category
> >>> (utility, production, … like in the stores) and there is a list with
> >>> all apps on a second page.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Joerg
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Am 19.10.2015 um 06:12 schrieb Jesse <pu...@gmail.com>:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> This was part of my hesitation in doing this.
> >>>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=PhoneGap.com&
> >>>>>>>> data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7cb4e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08
> >>>>>>>> d2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=xLExNR7j
> >>>>>>>> 4pa52lvKXsCP2O4lulNcj%2frZJ%2byt0CTJ3uc%3d gets >20 submissions
> >>>>>>>> a week, and someone has to look at
> >>> them,
> >>>>>>>> validate them. Here [1] is a link to page 30 of the android
> >>>>>>>> apps,
> >>> and there
> >>>>>>>> are 24 apps per page.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> We also have to consider appropriateness of the app, is it adult?
> >>> mature?
> >>>>>>>> We cannot display every app submitted.
> >>>>>>>> I agree with automating the display of apps, we don't want to
> >>>>>>>> have
> >>> to do
> >>>>>>>> this.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> [1]
> >>>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2f
> >>>>>>>> phonegap.com%2fapp%2fandroid%2fpage30%2f&data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh
> >>>>>>>> %40microsoft.com%7cb4e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08d2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86
> >>>>>>>> f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=nb0SdGVESw8oFtNdQxYNRoOL1bKT7vf
> >>>>>>>> maXep4hQevkA%3d
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> My team is hiring!
> >>>>>>>> @purplecabbage
> >>>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=risingj.com&d
> >>>>>>>> ata=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7cb4e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08d
> >>>>>>>> 2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=706mqaB8n
> >>>>>>>> 8QvdQl2bA30UyGqKWmxzAkBJgT0jPcBAa0%3d
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Dmitry Blotsky <
> >>> dblotsky@microsoft.com>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> So, there are two items to address here:
> >>>>>>>>> - display policy
> >>>>>>>>> - content policy
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I propose the following policy for app content:
> >>>>>>>>> - if the app is on an app store, it is OK to show on our page
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I propose the following strategy for app display:
> >>>>>>>>> - show 6 apps and 6 tools
> >>>>>>>>> - pick them at random at each page load from their respective
> >>>>>>>>> lists
> >>>>>>>>> - when we agree on quality metrics:
> >>>>>>>>>    - use them to sort instead of picking randomly OR
> >>>>>>>>>    - pick arbitrarily at our discretion
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Kindly,
> >>>>>>>>> Dmitry
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Oct 16, 2015, at 2:19 PM, julio cesar sanchez <
> >>> jcesarmobile@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I think every cordova app should be accepted and displayed,
> >>>>>>>>>> but we
> >>> should
> >>>>>>>>>> create a "Featured apps" section like
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=phonegap.com&data=0
> >>> 1%7c01%7cdblotsky%40microsoft.com%7cb6348c11e8b944fe70cf08d2d66f7669%7
> >>> c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=eDhU2NWipwMST6Kvu%2bxGRZVs
> >>> eukwYgOoS2QBhmPTK78%3d
> >>> ,
> >>>>>>>>> where we show "the best
> >>>>>>>>>> of the best", or show the best on first page
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> 2015-10-16 23:07 GMT+02:00 Tommy Williams <to...@devgeeks.org>:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> +1 for curation.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Apps in the showcase should really be the best of the best,
> >> yeah?
> >>> Apps
> >>>>>>>>>>> that show that the myths about Cordova aren’t true, etc.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On 17 October 2015 at 07:44:49, Joe Bowser
> >>>>>>>>>>> (bowserj@gmail.com)
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I definitely think we should be curating the apps to
> >>>>>>>>>>> make
> >>> sure
> >>>>>>>>> they're
> >>>>>>>>>>> legit.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Dmitry Blotsky <
> >>>>>>>>> dblotsky@microsoft.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hey folks,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Just a quick thought: should we be curating the apps in the
> >>> showcase to
> >>>>>>>>>>>> make sure they’re legit? I verify that they’re on an app
> >>>>>>>>>>>> store,
> >>> but the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Android app store has no curation.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Kindly,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dmitry
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@cordova.apache.org
> >>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>> Jörg Holz | +49-175-640 35 80
> >>>>>>> holz@hamburg.de
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> RELAUNCHED:
> >>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fw
> >>>>>>> ww.workflow-management.net&data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.co
> >>>>>>> m%7cb4e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08d2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd0
> >>>>>>> 11db47%7c1&sdata=%2f5DJs4wLmVE2h3mxf8WSUCVl5L%2bMK0KpytC%2bnQn1Dq
> >>>>>>> g%3d
> >>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>> --- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@cordova.apache.org
> >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>> Jörg Holz | +49-175-640 35 80
> >>>>> holz@hamburg.de
> >>>>>
> >>>>> RELAUNCHED:
> >>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fwww
> >>>>> .workflow-management.net&data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7c
> >>>>> b4e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08d2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47
> >>>>> %7c1&sdata=%2f5DJs4wLmVE2h3mxf8WSUCVl5L%2bMK0KpytC%2bnQn1Dqg%3d
> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@cordova.apache.org
> >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
> >>>>
> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> Jörg Holz | +49-175-640 35 80
> >>>> holz@hamburg.de
> >>>>
> >>>> RELAUNCHED:
> >>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.
> >>>> workflow-management.net&data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7cb4
> >>>> e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08d2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c
> >>>> 1&sdata=%2f5DJs4wLmVE2h3mxf8WSUCVl5L%2bMK0KpytC%2bnQn1Dqg%3d
> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
> >>
>
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps

Posted by Dmitry Blotsky <db...@microsoft.com>.

Sure, I’m also down for removing the “add your app” option. Switching to putting apps up only at our own discretion makes sense. My only concern is that I personally haven’t tried out many Cordova apps, so I would expect us to have a shortage of apps this way. But if other PMC members have apps to suggest, then we should be good.

To move forward with Carlos’ proposal, we ought to:
- curate the existing list
- have someone explain the change of policy to the PRs still open

Any takers for those two tasks?

Kindly,
Dmitry

> On Oct 23, 2015, at 6:01 PM, Steven Gill <st...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> YES! Removing the "add a tool" and "add a plugin" is the best way to go.
> Those PRs require way to much management. Leave it up to PMC to nominate
> apps.
> 
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 5:41 PM, Nikhil Khandelwal <ni...@microsoft.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> I like Carlos' proposal. Reviewing PRs for these apps and judging by
>> whatever criteria we finally decide (however objective/subjective) will not
>> be worth our time. The volume of PRs over the last couple of weeks has been
>> quite significant in this area.
>> 
>> At the end of the day, we just need 5-10 showcase apps.
>> 
>> -Nikhil
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Carlos Santana [mailto:csantana23@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 5:37 PM
>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps
>> 
>> I think we make it more simpler, a PMC member to propose to add an app
>> that he/she tried out and feels that it deserves to be show case as a good
>> example of a great Cordova App.
>> - remove the "add your app"
>> - PMC members mails the list, that he evaluated the app and a short
>> description on why to added and he is planning to added, and ask if someone
>> opposed with a -1
>> - Like Joe said, we don't need a tons of Apps, just a few will satisfy the
>> goal
>> - The Apache way, if there are no -1 app get's added.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 7:27 PM Dmitry Blotsky <db...@microsoft.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Sounds like we’ve got some (potentially mutually exclusive) points:
>>> - request detailed app descriptions from submitters
>>> - curate based on detailed criteria
>>> - curate based on loose criteria
>>> - only accept blog posts, and get rid of the showcase
>>> - just accept all requests
>>> 
>>> Should this be a proposal on cordova-discuss? Or does someone feel
>>> like we have a consensus? The ultimate goal is to have something that
>>> displays good use of Cordova. I’d personally like to go with the
>>> easiest way to achieve this.
>>> 
>>> Kindly,
>>> Dmitry
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 19, 2015, at 1:28 PM, Joerg Holz <ho...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I like the slogan: "submit something that helps other developers
>>>> build a
>>> better app“.
>>>> 
>>>> I disagree about your app store points, staring, public store, we
>>>> don’t
>>> need that.
>>>> 
>>>> And my opion is, that we should promote apps, which are clean or
>>>> mostly
>>> clean from any Framework.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Joerg
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Am 19.10.2015 um 20:11 schrieb Ryan J. Salva <rs...@microsoft.com>:
>>>>> 
>>>>> The original goal for including the app showcase was to demonstrate
>>> that developers can build rockstar-quality apps using Cordova. I agree
>>> that by opening the invitation to anyone without a vetting process, we
>>> fall short of the original goal. Indeed, we might end up with a throng
>>> of hobo-quality apps using any technology under the sun :-)
>>>>> 
>>>>> At the same time, I don't want to sign up any of the Cordova
>>>>> committers
>>> to navigate the prejudicial question of "what counts as good?" Thus, I
>>> like Jörg's proposal that we raise the empirical bar for entry. App
>>> developers need to prove not only that their app is a Cordova app, but
>>> they have to submit something that helps other developers build a better
>> app.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Here's a straw man proposal intended to provoke response:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Must appear in a public store
>>>>> Must use Cordova
>>>>> Minimum 4 start rating
>>>>> Minimum 1,000 downloads
>>>>> Submitter must write a 200+ word blog post answering – Which
>>>>> platforms are supported (minimum two) – Which plugins are used?
>>>>> – Which frameworks are used, if any?
>>>>> – Syncing, languages, support for disabled people, … – Something
>>>>> about problems – Development environment and tools used
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>> rjs
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ryan J. Salva  |  Principal Program Manager Lead Visual Studio
>>>>> Tools for Apache Cordova rsalva@microsoft.com
>>>>> 206 612 5079 mobile
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Joerg Holz [mailto:holz@hamburg.de]
>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 8:11 AM
>>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps
>>>>> 
>>>>> thx for agreeing, but I see things different:
>>>>> 
>>>>> – What means pretty good, who will decide this, how to measure?
>>>>> 
>>>>> – What mean's popular, count of downloads?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cordova as project has to have a view from Cordova -> Apps and not
>>>>> from
>>> the other side. People have to say, why Cordova is good, Cordova has
>>> not to say why an app is good.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> And, yes, there is a need to have a blog or someting else for
>>>>> helping
>>> people and doing the small, but important, things.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The most important thing is, that a lot of people starting with
>>>>> Cordova
>>> don’t know a lot about javascript, htlm and css and that is the reason
>>> why a lot of questions on SO are unanswered.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jörg
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Am 19.10.2015 um 16:37 schrieb Parashuram N <panarasi@microsoft.com
>>> :
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I agree with Joerg. The only reason we have curated apps on the
>>>>>> page
>>> is to show people that Cordova can be used for building real apps. One
>>> perception people have today is that Cordova and WebView is not fast
>>> enough, or that serious applications are written in native languages.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I think that any app on the showcase should emphasize 3 things
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> - The app is pretty good, and feels like native and performs like
>> one.
>>>>>> - The app works across multiple platforms, ensuring code sharing
>>>>>> - The app is popular, something that our users may have come
>>>>>> across,
>>> or would like to try.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> While it would be great to talk about how the app was built, I
>>>>>> fear
>>> that it would be hard to get apps to write all that information. It
>>> would actually be awesome if we have blog posts that has articles from
>>> these app authors, describing their experience with writing Cordova apps.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 10/19/15, 5:46 AM, "Joerg Holz" <ho...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I don’t like the phonegap app pages. They are cheap ads for
>>> developers, nothing more.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> My proposal is another one. Cordova has two main problems in the
>>> public:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> – Are complex apps working well?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> – How is an app exactly developed?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So, I see a deal: The one, who want’s to be curated on the site
>>>>>>> has
>>> to tell details about the app.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> That means:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> We could curate apps/developers, if they telling someting about
>>>>>>> their
>>> solutions, for example:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> – Which platforms are supported (minimum two)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> – Which plugins are used?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> – Which frameworks are used, if any?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> – Syncing, languages, support for disabled people, …
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> – Something about problems
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> – Developing enviroment
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> A few of the apps are displayed randomly, each in a category
>>> (utility, production, … like in the stores) and there is a list with
>>> all apps on a second page.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Joerg
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Am 19.10.2015 um 06:12 schrieb Jesse <pu...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> This was part of my hesitation in doing this.
>>>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=PhoneGap.com&
>>>>>>>> data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7cb4e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08
>>>>>>>> d2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=xLExNR7j
>>>>>>>> 4pa52lvKXsCP2O4lulNcj%2frZJ%2byt0CTJ3uc%3d gets >20 submissions
>>>>>>>> a week, and someone has to look at
>>> them,
>>>>>>>> validate them. Here [1] is a link to page 30 of the android
>>>>>>>> apps,
>>> and there
>>>>>>>> are 24 apps per page.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> We also have to consider appropriateness of the app, is it adult?
>>> mature?
>>>>>>>> We cannot display every app submitted.
>>>>>>>> I agree with automating the display of apps, we don't want to
>>>>>>>> have
>>> to do
>>>>>>>> this.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2f
>>>>>>>> phonegap.com%2fapp%2fandroid%2fpage30%2f&data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh
>>>>>>>> %40microsoft.com%7cb4e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08d2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86
>>>>>>>> f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=nb0SdGVESw8oFtNdQxYNRoOL1bKT7vf
>>>>>>>> maXep4hQevkA%3d
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> My team is hiring!
>>>>>>>> @purplecabbage
>>>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=risingj.com&d
>>>>>>>> ata=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7cb4e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08d
>>>>>>>> 2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=706mqaB8n
>>>>>>>> 8QvdQl2bA30UyGqKWmxzAkBJgT0jPcBAa0%3d
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Dmitry Blotsky <
>>> dblotsky@microsoft.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> So, there are two items to address here:
>>>>>>>>> - display policy
>>>>>>>>> - content policy
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I propose the following policy for app content:
>>>>>>>>> - if the app is on an app store, it is OK to show on our page
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I propose the following strategy for app display:
>>>>>>>>> - show 6 apps and 6 tools
>>>>>>>>> - pick them at random at each page load from their respective
>>>>>>>>> lists
>>>>>>>>> - when we agree on quality metrics:
>>>>>>>>>    - use them to sort instead of picking randomly OR
>>>>>>>>>    - pick arbitrarily at our discretion
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Kindly,
>>>>>>>>> Dmitry
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 16, 2015, at 2:19 PM, julio cesar sanchez <
>>> jcesarmobile@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I think every cordova app should be accepted and displayed,
>>>>>>>>>> but we
>>> should
>>>>>>>>>> create a "Featured apps" section like
>>>>>>>>> 
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=phonegap.com&data=0
>>> 1%7c01%7cdblotsky%40microsoft.com%7cb6348c11e8b944fe70cf08d2d66f7669%7
>>> c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=eDhU2NWipwMST6Kvu%2bxGRZVs
>>> eukwYgOoS2QBhmPTK78%3d
>>> ,
>>>>>>>>> where we show "the best
>>>>>>>>>> of the best", or show the best on first page
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 2015-10-16 23:07 GMT+02:00 Tommy Williams <to...@devgeeks.org>:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for curation.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Apps in the showcase should really be the best of the best,
>> yeah?
>>> Apps
>>>>>>>>>>> that show that the myths about Cordova aren’t true, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On 17 October 2015 at 07:44:49, Joe Bowser
>>>>>>>>>>> (bowserj@gmail.com)
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I definitely think we should be curating the apps to
>>>>>>>>>>> make
>>> sure
>>>>>>>>> they're
>>>>>>>>>>> legit.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Dmitry Blotsky <
>>>>>>>>> dblotsky@microsoft.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey folks,
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just a quick thought: should we be curating the apps in the
>>> showcase to
>>>>>>>>>>>> make sure they’re legit? I verify that they’re on an app
>>>>>>>>>>>> store,
>>> but the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Android app store has no curation.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Kindly,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dmitry
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@cordova.apache.org
>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> Jörg Holz | +49-175-640 35 80
>>>>>>> holz@hamburg.de
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> RELAUNCHED:
>>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fw
>>>>>>> ww.workflow-management.net&data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.co
>>>>>>> m%7cb4e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08d2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd0
>>>>>>> 11db47%7c1&sdata=%2f5DJs4wLmVE2h3mxf8WSUCVl5L%2bMK0KpytC%2bnQn1Dq
>>>>>>> g%3d
>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> --- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@cordova.apache.org
>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
>>>>> 
>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> Jörg Holz | +49-175-640 35 80
>>>>> holz@hamburg.de
>>>>> 
>>>>> RELAUNCHED:
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>>>>> .workflow-management.net&data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7c
>>>>> b4e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08d2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47
>>>>> %7c1&sdata=%2f5DJs4wLmVE2h3mxf8WSUCVl5L%2bMK0KpytC%2bnQn1Dqg%3d
>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@cordova.apache.org
>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
>>>> 
>>>> --------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Jörg Holz | +49-175-640 35 80
>>>> holz@hamburg.de
>>>> 
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>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.
>>>> workflow-management.net&data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7cb4
>>>> e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08d2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c
>>>> 1&sdata=%2f5DJs4wLmVE2h3mxf8WSUCVl5L%2bMK0KpytC%2bnQn1Dqg%3d
>>>> --------------------------------------------------------
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps

Posted by Carlos Santana <cs...@gmail.com>.

Just want to add that I feel offended that no one from the PhoneGap team
has added Untappd
Shame on you all !!!

On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 9:01 PM Steven Gill <st...@gmail.com> wrote:

> YES! Removing the "add a tool" and "add a plugin" is the best way to go.
> Those PRs require way to much management. Leave it up to PMC to nominate
> apps.
>
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 5:41 PM, Nikhil Khandelwal <nikhilkh@microsoft.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > I like Carlos' proposal. Reviewing PRs for these apps and judging by
> > whatever criteria we finally decide (however objective/subjective) will
> not
> > be worth our time. The volume of PRs over the last couple of weeks has
> been
> > quite significant in this area.
> >
> > At the end of the day, we just need 5-10 showcase apps.
> >
> > -Nikhil
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Carlos Santana [mailto:csantana23@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 5:37 PM
> > To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps
> >
> > I think we make it more simpler, a PMC member to propose to add an app
> > that he/she tried out and feels that it deserves to be show case as a
> good
> > example of a great Cordova App.
> > - remove the "add your app"
> > - PMC members mails the list, that he evaluated the app and a short
> > description on why to added and he is planning to added, and ask if
> someone
> > opposed with a -1
> > - Like Joe said, we don't need a tons of Apps, just a few will satisfy
> the
> > goal
> > - The Apache way, if there are no -1 app get's added.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 7:27 PM Dmitry Blotsky <db...@microsoft.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Sounds like we’ve got some (potentially mutually exclusive) points:
> > > - request detailed app descriptions from submitters
> > > - curate based on detailed criteria
> > > - curate based on loose criteria
> > > - only accept blog posts, and get rid of the showcase
> > > - just accept all requests
> > >
> > > Should this be a proposal on cordova-discuss? Or does someone feel
> > > like we have a consensus? The ultimate goal is to have something that
> > > displays good use of Cordova. I’d personally like to go with the
> > > easiest way to achieve this.
> > >
> > > Kindly,
> > > Dmitry
> > >
> > > > On Oct 19, 2015, at 1:28 PM, Joerg Holz <ho...@hamburg.de> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I like the slogan: "submit something that helps other developers
> > > > build a
> > > better app“.
> > > >
> > > > I disagree about your app store points, staring, public store, we
> > > > don’t
> > > need that.
> > > >
> > > > And my opion is, that we should promote apps, which are clean or
> > > > mostly
> > > clean from any Framework.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Joerg
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> Am 19.10.2015 um 20:11 schrieb Ryan J. Salva <rsalva@microsoft.com
> >:
> > > >>
> > > >> The original goal for including the app showcase was to demonstrate
> > > that developers can build rockstar-quality apps using Cordova. I agree
> > > that by opening the invitation to anyone without a vetting process, we
> > > fall short of the original goal. Indeed, we might end up with a throng
> > > of hobo-quality apps using any technology under the sun :-)
> > > >>
> > > >> At the same time, I don't want to sign up any of the Cordova
> > > >> committers
> > > to navigate the prejudicial question of "what counts as good?" Thus, I
> > > like Jörg's proposal that we raise the empirical bar for entry. App
> > > developers need to prove not only that their app is a Cordova app, but
> > > they have to submit something that helps other developers build a
> better
> > app.
> > > >>
> > > >> Here's a straw man proposal intended to provoke response:
> > > >>
> > > >> Must appear in a public store
> > > >> Must use Cordova
> > > >> Minimum 4 start rating
> > > >> Minimum 1,000 downloads
> > > >> Submitter must write a 200+ word blog post answering – Which
> > > >> platforms are supported (minimum two) – Which plugins are used?
> > > >> – Which frameworks are used, if any?
> > > >> – Syncing, languages, support for disabled people, … – Something
> > > >> about problems – Development environment and tools used
> > > >>
> > > >> Thoughts?
> > > >> rjs
> > > >>
> > > >> Ryan J. Salva  |  Principal Program Manager Lead Visual Studio
> > > >> Tools for Apache Cordova rsalva@microsoft.com
> > > >> 206 612 5079 mobile
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: Joerg Holz [mailto:holz@hamburg.de]
> > > >> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 8:11 AM
> > > >> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> > > >> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps
> > > >>
> > > >> thx for agreeing, but I see things different:
> > > >>
> > > >> – What means pretty good, who will decide this, how to measure?
> > > >>
> > > >> – What mean's popular, count of downloads?
> > > >>
> > > >> Cordova as project has to have a view from Cordova -> Apps and not
> > > >> from
> > > the other side. People have to say, why Cordova is good, Cordova has
> > > not to say why an app is good.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> And, yes, there is a need to have a blog or someting else for
> > > >> helping
> > > people and doing the small, but important, things.
> > > >>
> > > >> The most important thing is, that a lot of people starting with
> > > >> Cordova
> > > don’t know a lot about javascript, htlm and css and that is the reason
> > > why a lot of questions on SO are unanswered.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Jörg
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>> Am 19.10.2015 um 16:37 schrieb Parashuram N <
> panarasi@microsoft.com
> > >:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I agree with Joerg. The only reason we have curated apps on the
> > > >>> page
> > > is to show people that Cordova can be used for building real apps. One
> > > perception people have today is that Cordova and WebView is not fast
> > > enough, or that serious applications are written in native languages.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I think that any app on the showcase should emphasize 3 things
> > > >>>
> > > >>> - The app is pretty good, and feels like native and performs like
> > one.
> > > >>> - The app works across multiple platforms, ensuring code sharing
> > > >>> - The app is popular, something that our users may have come
> > > >>> across,
> > > or would like to try.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> While it would be great to talk about how the app was built, I
> > > >>> fear
> > > that it would be hard to get apps to write all that information. It
> > > would actually be awesome if we have blog posts that has articles from
> > > these app authors, describing their experience with writing Cordova
> apps.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On 10/19/15, 5:46 AM, "Joerg Holz" <ho...@hamburg.de> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> I don’t like the phonegap app pages. They are cheap ads for
> > > developers, nothing more.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> My proposal is another one. Cordova has two main problems in the
> > > public:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> – Are complex apps working well?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> – How is an app exactly developed?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> So, I see a deal: The one, who want’s to be curated on the site
> > > >>>> has
> > > to tell details about the app.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> That means:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> We could curate apps/developers, if they telling someting about
> > > >>>> their
> > > solutions, for example:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> – Which platforms are supported (minimum two)
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> – Which plugins are used?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> – Which frameworks are used, if any?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> – Syncing, languages, support for disabled people, …
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> – Something about problems
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> – Developing enviroment
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> A few of the apps are displayed randomly, each in a category
> > > (utility, production, … like in the stores) and there is a list with
> > > all apps on a second page.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Regards,
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Joerg
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> Am 19.10.2015 um 06:12 schrieb Jesse <pu...@gmail.com>:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> This was part of my hesitation in doing this.
> > > >>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=PhoneGap.com&
> > > >>>>> data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7cb4e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08
> > > >>>>> d2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=xLExNR7j
> > > >>>>> 4pa52lvKXsCP2O4lulNcj%2frZJ%2byt0CTJ3uc%3d gets >20 submissions
> > > >>>>> a week, and someone has to look at
> > > them,
> > > >>>>> validate them. Here [1] is a link to page 30 of the android
> > > >>>>> apps,
> > > and there
> > > >>>>> are 24 apps per page.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> We also have to consider appropriateness of the app, is it adult?
> > > mature?
> > > >>>>> We cannot display every app submitted.
> > > >>>>> I agree with automating the display of apps, we don't want to
> > > >>>>> have
> > > to do
> > > >>>>> this.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> [1]
> > > >>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2f
> > > >>>>> phonegap.com%2fapp%2fandroid%2fpage30%2f&data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh
> > > >>>>> %40microsoft.com%7cb4e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08d2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86
> > > >>>>> f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=nb0SdGVESw8oFtNdQxYNRoOL1bKT7vf
> > > >>>>> maXep4hQevkA%3d
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> My team is hiring!
> > > >>>>> @purplecabbage
> > > >>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=risingj.com&d
> > > >>>>> ata=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7cb4e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08d
> > > >>>>> 2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=706mqaB8n
> > > >>>>> 8QvdQl2bA30UyGqKWmxzAkBJgT0jPcBAa0%3d
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Dmitry Blotsky <
> > > dblotsky@microsoft.com>
> > > >>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> So, there are two items to address here:
> > > >>>>>> - display policy
> > > >>>>>> - content policy
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> I propose the following policy for app content:
> > > >>>>>> - if the app is on an app store, it is OK to show on our page
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> I propose the following strategy for app display:
> > > >>>>>> - show 6 apps and 6 tools
> > > >>>>>> - pick them at random at each page load from their respective
> > > >>>>>> lists
> > > >>>>>> - when we agree on quality metrics:
> > > >>>>>>     - use them to sort instead of picking randomly OR
> > > >>>>>>     - pick arbitrarily at our discretion
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Kindly,
> > > >>>>>> Dmitry
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> On Oct 16, 2015, at 2:19 PM, julio cesar sanchez <
> > > jcesarmobile@gmail.com>
> > > >>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> I think every cordova app should be accepted and displayed,
> > > >>>>>>> but we
> > > should
> > > >>>>>>> create a "Featured apps" section like
> > > >>>>>>
> > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=phonegap.com&data=0
> > > 1%7c01%7cdblotsky%40microsoft.com%7cb6348c11e8b944fe70cf08d2d66f7669%7
> > > c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=eDhU2NWipwMST6Kvu%2bxGRZVs
> > > eukwYgOoS2QBhmPTK78%3d
> > > ,
> > > >>>>>> where we show "the best
> > > >>>>>>> of the best", or show the best on first page
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> 2015-10-16 23:07 GMT+02:00 Tommy Williams <tommy@devgeeks.org
> >:
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> +1 for curation.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Apps in the showcase should really be the best of the best,
> > yeah?
> > > Apps
> > > >>>>>>>> that show that the myths about Cordova aren’t true, etc.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> On 17 October 2015 at 07:44:49, Joe Bowser
> > > >>>>>>>> (bowserj@gmail.com)
> > > wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Yes, I definitely think we should be curating the apps to
> > > >>>>>>>> make
> > > sure
> > > >>>>>> they're
> > > >>>>>>>> legit.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Dmitry Blotsky <
> > > >>>>>> dblotsky@microsoft.com>
> > > >>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Hey folks,
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Just a quick thought: should we be curating the apps in the
> > > showcase to
> > > >>>>>>>>> make sure they’re legit? I verify that they’re on an app
> > > >>>>>>>>> store,
> > > but the
> > > >>>>>>>>> Android app store has no curation.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Kindly,
> > > >>>>>>>>> Dmitry
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@cordova.apache.org
> > > >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> --------------------------------------------------------
> > > >>>> Jörg Holz | +49-175-640 35 80
> > > >>>> holz@hamburg.de
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> RELAUNCHED:
> > > >>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fw
> > > >>>> ww.workflow-management.net&data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.co
> > > >>>> m%7cb4e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08d2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd0
> > > >>>> 11db47%7c1&sdata=%2f5DJs4wLmVE2h3mxf8WSUCVl5L%2bMK0KpytC%2bnQn1Dq
> > > >>>> g%3d
> > > >>>> --------------------------------------------------------
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
> > > >>
> > > >> --------------------------------------------------------
> > > >> Jörg Holz | +49-175-640 35 80
> > > >> holz@hamburg.de
> > > >>
> > > >> RELAUNCHED:
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> > > >> .workflow-management.net&data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7c
> > > >> b4e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08d2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47
> > > >> %7c1&sdata=%2f5DJs4wLmVE2h3mxf8WSUCVl5L%2bMK0KpytC%2bnQn1Dqg%3d
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> > > > holz@hamburg.de
> > > >
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Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps

Posted by Steven Gill <st...@gmail.com>.

YES! Removing the "add a tool" and "add a plugin" is the best way to go.
Those PRs require way to much management. Leave it up to PMC to nominate
apps.

On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 5:41 PM, Nikhil Khandelwal <ni...@microsoft.com>
wrote:

> I like Carlos' proposal. Reviewing PRs for these apps and judging by
> whatever criteria we finally decide (however objective/subjective) will not
> be worth our time. The volume of PRs over the last couple of weeks has been
> quite significant in this area.
>
> At the end of the day, we just need 5-10 showcase apps.
>
> -Nikhil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carlos Santana [mailto:csantana23@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 5:37 PM
> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps
>
> I think we make it more simpler, a PMC member to propose to add an app
> that he/she tried out and feels that it deserves to be show case as a good
> example of a great Cordova App.
> - remove the "add your app"
> - PMC members mails the list, that he evaluated the app and a short
> description on why to added and he is planning to added, and ask if someone
> opposed with a -1
> - Like Joe said, we don't need a tons of Apps, just a few will satisfy the
> goal
> - The Apache way, if there are no -1 app get's added.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 7:27 PM Dmitry Blotsky <db...@microsoft.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Sounds like we’ve got some (potentially mutually exclusive) points:
> > - request detailed app descriptions from submitters
> > - curate based on detailed criteria
> > - curate based on loose criteria
> > - only accept blog posts, and get rid of the showcase
> > - just accept all requests
> >
> > Should this be a proposal on cordova-discuss? Or does someone feel
> > like we have a consensus? The ultimate goal is to have something that
> > displays good use of Cordova. I’d personally like to go with the
> > easiest way to achieve this.
> >
> > Kindly,
> > Dmitry
> >
> > > On Oct 19, 2015, at 1:28 PM, Joerg Holz <ho...@hamburg.de> wrote:
> > >
> > > I like the slogan: "submit something that helps other developers
> > > build a
> > better app“.
> > >
> > > I disagree about your app store points, staring, public store, we
> > > don’t
> > need that.
> > >
> > > And my opion is, that we should promote apps, which are clean or
> > > mostly
> > clean from any Framework.
> > >
> > >
> > > Joerg
> > >
> > >
> > >> Am 19.10.2015 um 20:11 schrieb Ryan J. Salva <rs...@microsoft.com>:
> > >>
> > >> The original goal for including the app showcase was to demonstrate
> > that developers can build rockstar-quality apps using Cordova. I agree
> > that by opening the invitation to anyone without a vetting process, we
> > fall short of the original goal. Indeed, we might end up with a throng
> > of hobo-quality apps using any technology under the sun :-)
> > >>
> > >> At the same time, I don't want to sign up any of the Cordova
> > >> committers
> > to navigate the prejudicial question of "what counts as good?" Thus, I
> > like Jörg's proposal that we raise the empirical bar for entry. App
> > developers need to prove not only that their app is a Cordova app, but
> > they have to submit something that helps other developers build a better
> app.
> > >>
> > >> Here's a straw man proposal intended to provoke response:
> > >>
> > >> Must appear in a public store
> > >> Must use Cordova
> > >> Minimum 4 start rating
> > >> Minimum 1,000 downloads
> > >> Submitter must write a 200+ word blog post answering – Which
> > >> platforms are supported (minimum two) – Which plugins are used?
> > >> – Which frameworks are used, if any?
> > >> – Syncing, languages, support for disabled people, … – Something
> > >> about problems – Development environment and tools used
> > >>
> > >> Thoughts?
> > >> rjs
> > >>
> > >> Ryan J. Salva  |  Principal Program Manager Lead Visual Studio
> > >> Tools for Apache Cordova rsalva@microsoft.com
> > >> 206 612 5079 mobile
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Joerg Holz [mailto:holz@hamburg.de]
> > >> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 8:11 AM
> > >> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> > >> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps
> > >>
> > >> thx for agreeing, but I see things different:
> > >>
> > >> – What means pretty good, who will decide this, how to measure?
> > >>
> > >> – What mean's popular, count of downloads?
> > >>
> > >> Cordova as project has to have a view from Cordova -> Apps and not
> > >> from
> > the other side. People have to say, why Cordova is good, Cordova has
> > not to say why an app is good.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> And, yes, there is a need to have a blog or someting else for
> > >> helping
> > people and doing the small, but important, things.
> > >>
> > >> The most important thing is, that a lot of people starting with
> > >> Cordova
> > don’t know a lot about javascript, htlm and css and that is the reason
> > why a lot of questions on SO are unanswered.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Jörg
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> Am 19.10.2015 um 16:37 schrieb Parashuram N <panarasi@microsoft.com
> >:
> > >>>
> > >>> I agree with Joerg. The only reason we have curated apps on the
> > >>> page
> > is to show people that Cordova can be used for building real apps. One
> > perception people have today is that Cordova and WebView is not fast
> > enough, or that serious applications are written in native languages.
> > >>>
> > >>> I think that any app on the showcase should emphasize 3 things
> > >>>
> > >>> - The app is pretty good, and feels like native and performs like
> one.
> > >>> - The app works across multiple platforms, ensuring code sharing
> > >>> - The app is popular, something that our users may have come
> > >>> across,
> > or would like to try.
> > >>>
> > >>> While it would be great to talk about how the app was built, I
> > >>> fear
> > that it would be hard to get apps to write all that information. It
> > would actually be awesome if we have blog posts that has articles from
> > these app authors, describing their experience with writing Cordova apps.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 10/19/15, 5:46 AM, "Joerg Holz" <ho...@hamburg.de> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> I don’t like the phonegap app pages. They are cheap ads for
> > developers, nothing more.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> My proposal is another one. Cordova has two main problems in the
> > public:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> – Are complex apps working well?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> – How is an app exactly developed?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> So, I see a deal: The one, who want’s to be curated on the site
> > >>>> has
> > to tell details about the app.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> That means:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> We could curate apps/developers, if they telling someting about
> > >>>> their
> > solutions, for example:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> – Which platforms are supported (minimum two)
> > >>>>
> > >>>> – Which plugins are used?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> – Which frameworks are used, if any?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> – Syncing, languages, support for disabled people, …
> > >>>>
> > >>>> – Something about problems
> > >>>>
> > >>>> – Developing enviroment
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> A few of the apps are displayed randomly, each in a category
> > (utility, production, … like in the stores) and there is a list with
> > all apps on a second page.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Regards,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Joerg
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Am 19.10.2015 um 06:12 schrieb Jesse <pu...@gmail.com>:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> This was part of my hesitation in doing this.
> > >>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=PhoneGap.com&
> > >>>>> data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7cb4e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08
> > >>>>> d2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=xLExNR7j
> > >>>>> 4pa52lvKXsCP2O4lulNcj%2frZJ%2byt0CTJ3uc%3d gets >20 submissions
> > >>>>> a week, and someone has to look at
> > them,
> > >>>>> validate them. Here [1] is a link to page 30 of the android
> > >>>>> apps,
> > and there
> > >>>>> are 24 apps per page.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> We also have to consider appropriateness of the app, is it adult?
> > mature?
> > >>>>> We cannot display every app submitted.
> > >>>>> I agree with automating the display of apps, we don't want to
> > >>>>> have
> > to do
> > >>>>> this.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> [1]
> > >>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2f
> > >>>>> phonegap.com%2fapp%2fandroid%2fpage30%2f&data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh
> > >>>>> %40microsoft.com%7cb4e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08d2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86
> > >>>>> f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=nb0SdGVESw8oFtNdQxYNRoOL1bKT7vf
> > >>>>> maXep4hQevkA%3d
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> My team is hiring!
> > >>>>> @purplecabbage
> > >>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=risingj.com&d
> > >>>>> ata=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7cb4e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08d
> > >>>>> 2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=706mqaB8n
> > >>>>> 8QvdQl2bA30UyGqKWmxzAkBJgT0jPcBAa0%3d
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Dmitry Blotsky <
> > dblotsky@microsoft.com>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> So, there are two items to address here:
> > >>>>>> - display policy
> > >>>>>> - content policy
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I propose the following policy for app content:
> > >>>>>> - if the app is on an app store, it is OK to show on our page
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I propose the following strategy for app display:
> > >>>>>> - show 6 apps and 6 tools
> > >>>>>> - pick them at random at each page load from their respective
> > >>>>>> lists
> > >>>>>> - when we agree on quality metrics:
> > >>>>>>     - use them to sort instead of picking randomly OR
> > >>>>>>     - pick arbitrarily at our discretion
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Kindly,
> > >>>>>> Dmitry
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Oct 16, 2015, at 2:19 PM, julio cesar sanchez <
> > jcesarmobile@gmail.com>
> > >>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I think every cordova app should be accepted and displayed,
> > >>>>>>> but we
> > should
> > >>>>>>> create a "Featured apps" section like
> > >>>>>>
> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=phonegap.com&data=0
> > 1%7c01%7cdblotsky%40microsoft.com%7cb6348c11e8b944fe70cf08d2d66f7669%7
> > c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=eDhU2NWipwMST6Kvu%2bxGRZVs
> > eukwYgOoS2QBhmPTK78%3d
> > ,
> > >>>>>> where we show "the best
> > >>>>>>> of the best", or show the best on first page
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> 2015-10-16 23:07 GMT+02:00 Tommy Williams <to...@devgeeks.org>:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> +1 for curation.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Apps in the showcase should really be the best of the best,
> yeah?
> > Apps
> > >>>>>>>> that show that the myths about Cordova aren’t true, etc.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On 17 October 2015 at 07:44:49, Joe Bowser
> > >>>>>>>> (bowserj@gmail.com)
> > wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Yes, I definitely think we should be curating the apps to
> > >>>>>>>> make
> > sure
> > >>>>>> they're
> > >>>>>>>> legit.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Dmitry Blotsky <
> > >>>>>> dblotsky@microsoft.com>
> > >>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Hey folks,
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Just a quick thought: should we be curating the apps in the
> > showcase to
> > >>>>>>>>> make sure they’re legit? I verify that they’re on an app
> > >>>>>>>>> store,
> > but the
> > >>>>>>>>> Android app store has no curation.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Kindly,
> > >>>>>>>>> Dmitry
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@cordova.apache.org
> > >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>> Jörg Holz | +49-175-640 35 80
> > >>>> holz@hamburg.de
> > >>>>
> > >>>> RELAUNCHED:
> > >>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fw
> > >>>> ww.workflow-management.net&data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.co
> > >>>> m%7cb4e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08d2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd0
> > >>>> 11db47%7c1&sdata=%2f5DJs4wLmVE2h3mxf8WSUCVl5L%2bMK0KpytC%2bnQn1Dq
> > >>>> g%3d
> > >>>> --------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
> > >>
> > >> --------------------------------------------------------
> > >> Jörg Holz | +49-175-640 35 80
> > >> holz@hamburg.de
> > >>
> > >> RELAUNCHED:
> > >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fwww
> > >> .workflow-management.net&data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7c
> > >> b4e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08d2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47
> > >> %7c1&sdata=%2f5DJs4wLmVE2h3mxf8WSUCVl5L%2bMK0KpytC%2bnQn1Dqg%3d
> > >> --------------------------------------------------------
> > >>
> > >>
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> > >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
> > >
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> > > holz@hamburg.de
> > >
> > > RELAUNCHED:
> > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.
> > > workflow-management.net&data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7cb4
> > > e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08d2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c
> > > 1&sdata=%2f5DJs4wLmVE2h3mxf8WSUCVl5L%2bMK0KpytC%2bnQn1Dqg%3d
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RE: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps

Posted by Nikhil Khandelwal <ni...@microsoft.com>.

I like Carlos' proposal. Reviewing PRs for these apps and judging by whatever criteria we finally decide (however objective/subjective) will not be worth our time. The volume of PRs over the last couple of weeks has been quite significant in this area.

At the end of the day, we just need 5-10 showcase apps.

-Nikhil

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos Santana [mailto:csantana23@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 5:37 PM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps

I think we make it more simpler, a PMC member to propose to add an app that he/she tried out and feels that it deserves to be show case as a good example of a great Cordova App.
- remove the "add your app"
- PMC members mails the list, that he evaluated the app and a short description on why to added and he is planning to added, and ask if someone opposed with a -1
- Like Joe said, we don't need a tons of Apps, just a few will satisfy the goal
- The Apache way, if there are no -1 app get's added.




On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 7:27 PM Dmitry Blotsky <db...@microsoft.com>
wrote:

> Sounds like we’ve got some (potentially mutually exclusive) points:
> - request detailed app descriptions from submitters
> - curate based on detailed criteria
> - curate based on loose criteria
> - only accept blog posts, and get rid of the showcase
> - just accept all requests
>
> Should this be a proposal on cordova-discuss? Or does someone feel 
> like we have a consensus? The ultimate goal is to have something that 
> displays good use of Cordova. I’d personally like to go with the 
> easiest way to achieve this.
>
> Kindly,
> Dmitry
>
> > On Oct 19, 2015, at 1:28 PM, Joerg Holz <ho...@hamburg.de> wrote:
> >
> > I like the slogan: "submit something that helps other developers 
> > build a
> better app“.
> >
> > I disagree about your app store points, staring, public store, we 
> > don’t
> need that.
> >
> > And my opion is, that we should promote apps, which are clean or 
> > mostly
> clean from any Framework.
> >
> >
> > Joerg
> >
> >
> >> Am 19.10.2015 um 20:11 schrieb Ryan J. Salva <rs...@microsoft.com>:
> >>
> >> The original goal for including the app showcase was to demonstrate
> that developers can build rockstar-quality apps using Cordova. I agree 
> that by opening the invitation to anyone without a vetting process, we 
> fall short of the original goal. Indeed, we might end up with a throng 
> of hobo-quality apps using any technology under the sun :-)
> >>
> >> At the same time, I don't want to sign up any of the Cordova 
> >> committers
> to navigate the prejudicial question of "what counts as good?" Thus, I 
> like Jörg's proposal that we raise the empirical bar for entry. App 
> developers need to prove not only that their app is a Cordova app, but 
> they have to submit something that helps other developers build a better app.
> >>
> >> Here's a straw man proposal intended to provoke response:
> >>
> >> Must appear in a public store
> >> Must use Cordova
> >> Minimum 4 start rating
> >> Minimum 1,000 downloads
> >> Submitter must write a 200+ word blog post answering – Which 
> >> platforms are supported (minimum two) – Which plugins are used?
> >> – Which frameworks are used, if any?
> >> – Syncing, languages, support for disabled people, … – Something 
> >> about problems – Development environment and tools used
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >> rjs
> >>
> >> Ryan J. Salva  |  Principal Program Manager Lead Visual Studio 
> >> Tools for Apache Cordova rsalva@microsoft.com
> >> 206 612 5079 mobile
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Joerg Holz [mailto:holz@hamburg.de]
> >> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 8:11 AM
> >> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> >> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps
> >>
> >> thx for agreeing, but I see things different:
> >>
> >> – What means pretty good, who will decide this, how to measure?
> >>
> >> – What mean's popular, count of downloads?
> >>
> >> Cordova as project has to have a view from Cordova -> Apps and not 
> >> from
> the other side. People have to say, why Cordova is good, Cordova has 
> not to say why an app is good.
> >>
> >>
> >> And, yes, there is a need to have a blog or someting else for 
> >> helping
> people and doing the small, but important, things.
> >>
> >> The most important thing is, that a lot of people starting with 
> >> Cordova
> don’t know a lot about javascript, htlm and css and that is the reason 
> why a lot of questions on SO are unanswered.
> >>
> >>
> >> Jörg
> >>
> >>
> >>> Am 19.10.2015 um 16:37 schrieb Parashuram N <pa...@microsoft.com>:
> >>>
> >>> I agree with Joerg. The only reason we have curated apps on the 
> >>> page
> is to show people that Cordova can be used for building real apps. One 
> perception people have today is that Cordova and WebView is not fast 
> enough, or that serious applications are written in native languages.
> >>>
> >>> I think that any app on the showcase should emphasize 3 things
> >>>
> >>> - The app is pretty good, and feels like native and performs like one.
> >>> - The app works across multiple platforms, ensuring code sharing
> >>> - The app is popular, something that our users may have come 
> >>> across,
> or would like to try.
> >>>
> >>> While it would be great to talk about how the app was built, I 
> >>> fear
> that it would be hard to get apps to write all that information. It 
> would actually be awesome if we have blog posts that has articles from 
> these app authors, describing their experience with writing Cordova apps.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 10/19/15, 5:46 AM, "Joerg Holz" <ho...@hamburg.de> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I don’t like the phonegap app pages. They are cheap ads for
> developers, nothing more.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> My proposal is another one. Cordova has two main problems in the
> public:
> >>>>
> >>>> – Are complex apps working well?
> >>>>
> >>>> – How is an app exactly developed?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> So, I see a deal: The one, who want’s to be curated on the site 
> >>>> has
> to tell details about the app.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> That means:
> >>>>
> >>>> We could curate apps/developers, if they telling someting about 
> >>>> their
> solutions, for example:
> >>>>
> >>>> – Which platforms are supported (minimum two)
> >>>>
> >>>> – Which plugins are used?
> >>>>
> >>>> – Which frameworks are used, if any?
> >>>>
> >>>> – Syncing, languages, support for disabled people, …
> >>>>
> >>>> – Something about problems
> >>>>
> >>>> – Developing enviroment
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> A few of the apps are displayed randomly, each in a category
> (utility, production, … like in the stores) and there is a list with 
> all apps on a second page.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> Joerg
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Am 19.10.2015 um 06:12 schrieb Jesse <pu...@gmail.com>:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This was part of my hesitation in doing this.
> >>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=PhoneGap.com&
> >>>>> data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7cb4e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08
> >>>>> d2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=xLExNR7j
> >>>>> 4pa52lvKXsCP2O4lulNcj%2frZJ%2byt0CTJ3uc%3d gets >20 submissions 
> >>>>> a week, and someone has to look at
> them,
> >>>>> validate them. Here [1] is a link to page 30 of the android 
> >>>>> apps,
> and there
> >>>>> are 24 apps per page.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We also have to consider appropriateness of the app, is it adult?
> mature?
> >>>>> We cannot display every app submitted.
> >>>>> I agree with automating the display of apps, we don't want to 
> >>>>> have
> to do
> >>>>> this.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [1] 
> >>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2f
> >>>>> phonegap.com%2fapp%2fandroid%2fpage30%2f&data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh
> >>>>> %40microsoft.com%7cb4e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08d2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86
> >>>>> f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=nb0SdGVESw8oFtNdQxYNRoOL1bKT7vf
> >>>>> maXep4hQevkA%3d
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My team is hiring!
> >>>>> @purplecabbage
> >>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=risingj.com&d
> >>>>> ata=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7cb4e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08d
> >>>>> 2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=706mqaB8n
> >>>>> 8QvdQl2bA30UyGqKWmxzAkBJgT0jPcBAa0%3d
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Dmitry Blotsky <
> dblotsky@microsoft.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> So, there are two items to address here:
> >>>>>> - display policy
> >>>>>> - content policy
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I propose the following policy for app content:
> >>>>>> - if the app is on an app store, it is OK to show on our page
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I propose the following strategy for app display:
> >>>>>> - show 6 apps and 6 tools
> >>>>>> - pick them at random at each page load from their respective 
> >>>>>> lists
> >>>>>> - when we agree on quality metrics:
> >>>>>>     - use them to sort instead of picking randomly OR
> >>>>>>     - pick arbitrarily at our discretion
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Kindly,
> >>>>>> Dmitry
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Oct 16, 2015, at 2:19 PM, julio cesar sanchez <
> jcesarmobile@gmail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I think every cordova app should be accepted and displayed, 
> >>>>>>> but we
> should
> >>>>>>> create a "Featured apps" section like
> >>>>>>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=phonegap.com&data=0
> 1%7c01%7cdblotsky%40microsoft.com%7cb6348c11e8b944fe70cf08d2d66f7669%7
> c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=eDhU2NWipwMST6Kvu%2bxGRZVs
> eukwYgOoS2QBhmPTK78%3d
> ,
> >>>>>> where we show "the best
> >>>>>>> of the best", or show the best on first page
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 2015-10-16 23:07 GMT+02:00 Tommy Williams <to...@devgeeks.org>:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> +1 for curation.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Apps in the showcase should really be the best of the best, yeah?
> Apps
> >>>>>>>> that show that the myths about Cordova aren’t true, etc.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 17 October 2015 at 07:44:49, Joe Bowser 
> >>>>>>>> (bowserj@gmail.com)
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Yes, I definitely think we should be curating the apps to 
> >>>>>>>> make
> sure
> >>>>>> they're
> >>>>>>>> legit.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Dmitry Blotsky <
> >>>>>> dblotsky@microsoft.com>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Hey folks,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Just a quick thought: should we be curating the apps in the
> showcase to
> >>>>>>>>> make sure they’re legit? I verify that they’re on an app 
> >>>>>>>>> store,
> but the
> >>>>>>>>> Android app store has no curation.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Kindly,
> >>>>>>>>> Dmitry
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@cordova.apache.org
> >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> Jörg Holz | +49-175-640 35 80
> >>>> holz@hamburg.de
> >>>>
> >>>> RELAUNCHED:
> >>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fw
> >>>> ww.workflow-management.net&data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.co
> >>>> m%7cb4e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08d2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd0
> >>>> 11db47%7c1&sdata=%2f5DJs4wLmVE2h3mxf8WSUCVl5L%2bMK0KpytC%2bnQn1Dq
> >>>> g%3d
> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------------------
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> >> holz@hamburg.de
> >>
> >> RELAUNCHED:
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> >> .workflow-management.net&data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7c
> >> b4e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08d2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47
> >> %7c1&sdata=%2f5DJs4wLmVE2h3mxf8WSUCVl5L%2bMK0KpytC%2bnQn1Dqg%3d
> >> --------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >>
> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > holz@hamburg.de
> >
> > RELAUNCHED:
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> > workflow-management.net&data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7cb4
> > e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08d2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c
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Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps

Posted by Carlos Santana <cs...@gmail.com>.

I think we make it more simpler, a PMC member to propose to add an app that
he/she tried out and feels that it deserves to be show case as a good
example of a great Cordova App.
- remove the "add your app"
- PMC members mails the list, that he evaluated the app and a short
description on why to added and he is planning to added, and ask if someone
opposed with a -1
- Like Joe said, we don't need a tons of Apps, just a few will satisfy the
goal
- The Apache way, if there are no -1 app get's added.




On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 7:27 PM Dmitry Blotsky <db...@microsoft.com>
wrote:

> Sounds like we’ve got some (potentially mutually exclusive) points:
> - request detailed app descriptions from submitters
> - curate based on detailed criteria
> - curate based on loose criteria
> - only accept blog posts, and get rid of the showcase
> - just accept all requests
>
> Should this be a proposal on cordova-discuss? Or does someone feel like we
> have a consensus? The ultimate goal is to have something that displays good
> use of Cordova. I’d personally like to go with the easiest way to achieve
> this.
>
> Kindly,
> Dmitry
>
> > On Oct 19, 2015, at 1:28 PM, Joerg Holz <ho...@hamburg.de> wrote:
> >
> > I like the slogan: "submit something that helps other developers build a
> better app“.
> >
> > I disagree about your app store points, staring, public store, we don’t
> need that.
> >
> > And my opion is, that we should promote apps, which are clean or mostly
> clean from any Framework.
> >
> >
> > Joerg
> >
> >
> >> Am 19.10.2015 um 20:11 schrieb Ryan J. Salva <rs...@microsoft.com>:
> >>
> >> The original goal for including the app showcase was to demonstrate
> that developers can build rockstar-quality apps using Cordova. I agree that
> by opening the invitation to anyone without a vetting process, we fall
> short of the original goal. Indeed, we might end up with a throng of
> hobo-quality apps using any technology under the sun :-)
> >>
> >> At the same time, I don't want to sign up any of the Cordova committers
> to navigate the prejudicial question of "what counts as good?" Thus, I like
> Jörg's proposal that we raise the empirical bar for entry. App developers
> need to prove not only that their app is a Cordova app, but they have to
> submit something that helps other developers build a better app.
> >>
> >> Here's a straw man proposal intended to provoke response:
> >>
> >> Must appear in a public store
> >> Must use Cordova
> >> Minimum 4 start rating
> >> Minimum 1,000 downloads
> >> Submitter must write a 200+ word blog post answering
> >> – Which platforms are supported (minimum two)
> >> – Which plugins are used?
> >> – Which frameworks are used, if any?
> >> – Syncing, languages, support for disabled people, …
> >> – Something about problems
> >> – Development environment and tools used
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >> rjs
> >>
> >> Ryan J. Salva  |  Principal Program Manager Lead
> >> Visual Studio Tools for Apache Cordova
> >> rsalva@microsoft.com
> >> 206 612 5079 mobile
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Joerg Holz [mailto:holz@hamburg.de]
> >> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 8:11 AM
> >> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> >> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps
> >>
> >> thx for agreeing, but I see things different:
> >>
> >> – What means pretty good, who will decide this, how to measure?
> >>
> >> – What mean's popular, count of downloads?
> >>
> >> Cordova as project has to have a view from Cordova -> Apps and not from
> the other side. People have to say, why Cordova is good, Cordova has not to
> say why an app is good.
> >>
> >>
> >> And, yes, there is a need to have a blog or someting else for helping
> people and doing the small, but important, things.
> >>
> >> The most important thing is, that a lot of people starting with Cordova
> don’t know a lot about javascript, htlm and css and that is the reason why
> a lot of questions on SO are unanswered.
> >>
> >>
> >> Jörg
> >>
> >>
> >>> Am 19.10.2015 um 16:37 schrieb Parashuram N <pa...@microsoft.com>:
> >>>
> >>> I agree with Joerg. The only reason we have curated apps on the page
> is to show people that Cordova can be used for building real apps. One
> perception people have today is that Cordova and WebView is not fast
> enough, or that serious applications are written in native languages.
> >>>
> >>> I think that any app on the showcase should emphasize 3 things
> >>>
> >>> - The app is pretty good, and feels like native and performs like one.
> >>> - The app works across multiple platforms, ensuring code sharing
> >>> - The app is popular, something that our users may have come across,
> or would like to try.
> >>>
> >>> While it would be great to talk about how the app was built, I fear
> that it would be hard to get apps to write all that information. It would
> actually be awesome if we have blog posts that has articles from these app
> authors, describing their experience with writing Cordova apps.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 10/19/15, 5:46 AM, "Joerg Holz" <ho...@hamburg.de> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I don’t like the phonegap app pages. They are cheap ads for
> developers, nothing more.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> My proposal is another one. Cordova has two main problems in the
> public:
> >>>>
> >>>> – Are complex apps working well?
> >>>>
> >>>> – How is an app exactly developed?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> So, I see a deal: The one, who want’s to be curated on the site has
> to tell details about the app.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> That means:
> >>>>
> >>>> We could curate apps/developers, if they telling someting about their
> solutions, for example:
> >>>>
> >>>> – Which platforms are supported (minimum two)
> >>>>
> >>>> – Which plugins are used?
> >>>>
> >>>> – Which frameworks are used, if any?
> >>>>
> >>>> – Syncing, languages, support for disabled people, …
> >>>>
> >>>> – Something about problems
> >>>>
> >>>> – Developing enviroment
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> A few of the apps are displayed randomly, each in a category
> (utility, production, … like in the stores) and there is a list with all
> apps on a second page.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> Joerg
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Am 19.10.2015 um 06:12 schrieb Jesse <pu...@gmail.com>:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This was part of my hesitation in doing this.
> >>>>> PhoneGap.com gets >20 submissions a week, and someone has to look at
> them,
> >>>>> validate them. Here [1] is a link to page 30 of the android apps,
> and there
> >>>>> are 24 apps per page.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We also have to consider appropriateness of the app, is it adult?
> mature?
> >>>>> We cannot display every app submitted.
> >>>>> I agree with automating the display of apps, we don't want to have
> to do
> >>>>> this.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [1] http://phonegap.com/app/android/page30/
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My team is hiring!
> >>>>> @purplecabbage
> >>>>> risingj.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Dmitry Blotsky <
> dblotsky@microsoft.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> So, there are two items to address here:
> >>>>>> - display policy
> >>>>>> - content policy
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I propose the following policy for app content:
> >>>>>> - if the app is on an app store, it is OK to show on our page
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I propose the following strategy for app display:
> >>>>>> - show 6 apps and 6 tools
> >>>>>> - pick them at random at each page load from their respective lists
> >>>>>> - when we agree on quality metrics:
> >>>>>>     - use them to sort instead of picking randomly OR
> >>>>>>     - pick arbitrarily at our discretion
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Kindly,
> >>>>>> Dmitry
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Oct 16, 2015, at 2:19 PM, julio cesar sanchez <
> jcesarmobile@gmail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I think every cordova app should be accepted and displayed, but we
> should
> >>>>>>> create a "Featured apps" section like
> >>>>>>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=phonegap.com&data=01%7c01%7cdblotsky%40microsoft.com%7cb6348c11e8b944fe70cf08d2d66f7669%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=eDhU2NWipwMST6Kvu%2bxGRZVseukwYgOoS2QBhmPTK78%3d
> ,
> >>>>>> where we show "the best
> >>>>>>> of the best", or show the best on first page
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 2015-10-16 23:07 GMT+02:00 Tommy Williams <to...@devgeeks.org>:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> +1 for curation.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Apps in the showcase should really be the best of the best, yeah?
> Apps
> >>>>>>>> that show that the myths about Cordova aren’t true, etc.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 17 October 2015 at 07:44:49, Joe Bowser (bowserj@gmail.com)
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Yes, I definitely think we should be curating the apps to make
> sure
> >>>>>> they're
> >>>>>>>> legit.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Dmitry Blotsky <
> >>>>>> dblotsky@microsoft.com>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Hey folks,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Just a quick thought: should we be curating the apps in the
> showcase to
> >>>>>>>>> make sure they’re legit? I verify that they’re on an app store,
> but the
> >>>>>>>>> Android app store has no curation.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Kindly,
> >>>>>>>>> Dmitry
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@cordova.apache.org
> >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> Jörg Holz | +49-175-640 35 80
> >>>> holz@hamburg.de
> >>>>
> >>>> RELAUNCHED:
> >>>> http://www.workflow-management.net
> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@cordova.apache.org
> >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------------------
> >> Jörg Holz | +49-175-640 35 80
> >> holz@hamburg.de
> >>
> >> RELAUNCHED:
> >> http://www.workflow-management.net
> >> --------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@cordova.apache.org
> >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------
> > Jörg Holz | +49-175-640 35 80
> > holz@hamburg.de
> >
> > RELAUNCHED:
> > http://www.workflow-management.net
> > --------------------------------------------------------
> >
>
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps

Posted by Dmitry Blotsky <db...@microsoft.com>.

Sounds like we’ve got some (potentially mutually exclusive) points:
- request detailed app descriptions from submitters
- curate based on detailed criteria
- curate based on loose criteria
- only accept blog posts, and get rid of the showcase
- just accept all requests

Should this be a proposal on cordova-discuss? Or does someone feel like we have a consensus? The ultimate goal is to have something that displays good use of Cordova. I’d personally like to go with the easiest way to achieve this.

Kindly,
Dmitry

> On Oct 19, 2015, at 1:28 PM, Joerg Holz <ho...@hamburg.de> wrote:
> 
> I like the slogan: "submit something that helps other developers build a better app“.
> 
> I disagree about your app store points, staring, public store, we don’t need that.
> 
> And my opion is, that we should promote apps, which are clean or mostly clean from any Framework.
> 
> 
> Joerg
> 
> 
>> Am 19.10.2015 um 20:11 schrieb Ryan J. Salva <rs...@microsoft.com>:
>> 
>> The original goal for including the app showcase was to demonstrate that developers can build rockstar-quality apps using Cordova. I agree that by opening the invitation to anyone without a vetting process, we fall short of the original goal. Indeed, we might end up with a throng of hobo-quality apps using any technology under the sun :-)
>> 
>> At the same time, I don't want to sign up any of the Cordova committers to navigate the prejudicial question of "what counts as good?" Thus, I like Jörg's proposal that we raise the empirical bar for entry. App developers need to prove not only that their app is a Cordova app, but they have to submit something that helps other developers build a better app. 
>> 
>> Here's a straw man proposal intended to provoke response:
>> 
>> Must appear in a public store
>> Must use Cordova
>> Minimum 4 start rating
>> Minimum 1,000 downloads
>> Submitter must write a 200+ word blog post answering
>> – Which platforms are supported (minimum two)
>> – Which plugins are used?
>> – Which frameworks are used, if any?
>> – Syncing, languages, support for disabled people, …
>> – Something about problems
>> – Development environment and tools used
>> 
>> Thoughts?
>> rjs
>> 
>> Ryan J. Salva  |  Principal Program Manager Lead
>> Visual Studio Tools for Apache Cordova
>> rsalva@microsoft.com
>> 206 612 5079 mobile
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joerg Holz [mailto:holz@hamburg.de] 
>> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 8:11 AM
>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps
>> 
>> thx for agreeing, but I see things different:
>> 
>> – What means pretty good, who will decide this, how to measure?
>> 
>> – What mean's popular, count of downloads?
>> 
>> Cordova as project has to have a view from Cordova -> Apps and not from the other side. People have to say, why Cordova is good, Cordova has not to say why an app is good.
>> 
>> 
>> And, yes, there is a need to have a blog or someting else for helping people and doing the small, but important, things.
>> 
>> The most important thing is, that a lot of people starting with Cordova don’t know a lot about javascript, htlm and css and that is the reason why a lot of questions on SO are unanswered.
>> 
>> 
>> Jörg
>> 
>> 
>>> Am 19.10.2015 um 16:37 schrieb Parashuram N <pa...@microsoft.com>:
>>> 
>>> I agree with Joerg. The only reason we have curated apps on the page is to show people that Cordova can be used for building real apps. One perception people have today is that Cordova and WebView is not fast enough, or that serious applications are written in native languages.
>>> 
>>> I think that any app on the showcase should emphasize 3 things
>>> 
>>> - The app is pretty good, and feels like native and performs like one.
>>> - The app works across multiple platforms, ensuring code sharing
>>> - The app is popular, something that our users may have come across, or would like to try.
>>> 
>>> While it would be great to talk about how the app was built, I fear that it would be hard to get apps to write all that information. It would actually be awesome if we have blog posts that has articles from these app authors, describing their experience with writing Cordova apps. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 10/19/15, 5:46 AM, "Joerg Holz" <ho...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I don’t like the phonegap app pages. They are cheap ads for developers, nothing more.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> My proposal is another one. Cordova has two main problems in the public:
>>>> 
>>>> – Are complex apps working well?
>>>> 
>>>> – How is an app exactly developed?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> So, I see a deal: The one, who want’s to be curated on the site has to tell details about the app.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> That means:
>>>> 
>>>> We could curate apps/developers, if they telling someting about their solutions, for example:
>>>> 
>>>> – Which platforms are supported (minimum two)
>>>> 
>>>> – Which plugins are used?
>>>> 
>>>> – Which frameworks are used, if any?
>>>> 
>>>> – Syncing, languages, support for disabled people, …
>>>> 
>>>> – Something about problems
>>>> 
>>>> – Developing enviroment
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> A few of the apps are displayed randomly, each in a category (utility, production, … like in the stores) and there is a list with all apps on a second page.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> 
>>>> Joerg
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Am 19.10.2015 um 06:12 schrieb Jesse <pu...@gmail.com>:
>>>>> 
>>>>> This was part of my hesitation in doing this.
>>>>> PhoneGap.com gets >20 submissions a week, and someone has to look at them,
>>>>> validate them. Here [1] is a link to page 30 of the android apps, and there
>>>>> are 24 apps per page.
>>>>> 
>>>>> We also have to consider appropriateness of the app, is it adult? mature?
>>>>> We cannot display every app submitted.
>>>>> I agree with automating the display of apps, we don't want to have to do
>>>>> this.
>>>>> 
>>>>> [1] http://phonegap.com/app/android/page30/
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> My team is hiring!
>>>>> @purplecabbage
>>>>> risingj.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Dmitry Blotsky <db...@microsoft.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> So, there are two items to address here:
>>>>>> - display policy
>>>>>> - content policy
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I propose the following policy for app content:
>>>>>> - if the app is on an app store, it is OK to show on our page
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I propose the following strategy for app display:
>>>>>> - show 6 apps and 6 tools
>>>>>> - pick them at random at each page load from their respective lists
>>>>>> - when we agree on quality metrics:
>>>>>>     - use them to sort instead of picking randomly OR
>>>>>>     - pick arbitrarily at our discretion
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Kindly,
>>>>>> Dmitry
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Oct 16, 2015, at 2:19 PM, julio cesar sanchez <jc...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I think every cordova app should be accepted and displayed, but we should
>>>>>>> create a "Featured apps" section like
>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=phonegap.com&data=01%7c01%7cdblotsky%40microsoft.com%7cb6348c11e8b944fe70cf08d2d66f7669%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=eDhU2NWipwMST6Kvu%2bxGRZVseukwYgOoS2QBhmPTK78%3d,
>>>>>> where we show "the best
>>>>>>> of the best", or show the best on first page
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 2015-10-16 23:07 GMT+02:00 Tommy Williams <to...@devgeeks.org>:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> +1 for curation.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Apps in the showcase should really be the best of the best, yeah? Apps
>>>>>>>> that show that the myths about Cordova aren’t true, etc.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 17 October 2015 at 07:44:49, Joe Bowser (bowserj@gmail.com) wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Yes, I definitely think we should be curating the apps to make sure
>>>>>> they're
>>>>>>>> legit.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Dmitry Blotsky <
>>>>>> dblotsky@microsoft.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hey folks,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Just a quick thought: should we be curating the apps in the showcase to
>>>>>>>>> make sure they’re legit? I verify that they’re on an app store, but the
>>>>>>>>> Android app store has no curation.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Kindly,
>>>>>>>>> Dmitry
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps

Posted by Joerg Holz <ho...@hamburg.de>.

I like the slogan: "submit something that helps other developers build a better app“.

I disagree about your app store points, staring, public store, we don’t need that.

And my opion is, that we should promote apps, which are clean or mostly clean from any Framework.


Joerg


> Am 19.10.2015 um 20:11 schrieb Ryan J. Salva <rs...@microsoft.com>:
> 
> The original goal for including the app showcase was to demonstrate that developers can build rockstar-quality apps using Cordova. I agree that by opening the invitation to anyone without a vetting process, we fall short of the original goal. Indeed, we might end up with a throng of hobo-quality apps using any technology under the sun :-)
> 
> At the same time, I don't want to sign up any of the Cordova committers to navigate the prejudicial question of "what counts as good?" Thus, I like Jörg's proposal that we raise the empirical bar for entry. App developers need to prove not only that their app is a Cordova app, but they have to submit something that helps other developers build a better app. 
> 
> Here's a straw man proposal intended to provoke response:
> 
> Must appear in a public store
> Must use Cordova
> Minimum 4 start rating
> Minimum 1,000 downloads
> Submitter must write a 200+ word blog post answering
> – Which platforms are supported (minimum two)
> – Which plugins are used?
> – Which frameworks are used, if any?
> – Syncing, languages, support for disabled people, …
> – Something about problems
> – Development environment and tools used
> 
> Thoughts?
> rjs
> 
> Ryan J. Salva  |  Principal Program Manager Lead
> Visual Studio Tools for Apache Cordova
> rsalva@microsoft.com
> 206 612 5079 mobile
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joerg Holz [mailto:holz@hamburg.de] 
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 8:11 AM
> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps
> 
> thx for agreeing, but I see things different:
> 
> – What means pretty good, who will decide this, how to measure?
> 
> – What mean's popular, count of downloads?
> 
> Cordova as project has to have a view from Cordova -> Apps and not from the other side. People have to say, why Cordova is good, Cordova has not to say why an app is good.
> 
> 
> And, yes, there is a need to have a blog or someting else for helping people and doing the small, but important, things.
> 
> The most important thing is, that a lot of people starting with Cordova don’t know a lot about javascript, htlm and css and that is the reason why a lot of questions on SO are unanswered.
> 
> 
> Jörg
> 
> 
>> Am 19.10.2015 um 16:37 schrieb Parashuram N <pa...@microsoft.com>:
>> 
>> I agree with Joerg. The only reason we have curated apps on the page is to show people that Cordova can be used for building real apps. One perception people have today is that Cordova and WebView is not fast enough, or that serious applications are written in native languages.
>> 
>> I think that any app on the showcase should emphasize 3 things
>> 
>> - The app is pretty good, and feels like native and performs like one.
>> - The app works across multiple platforms, ensuring code sharing
>> - The app is popular, something that our users may have come across, or would like to try.
>> 
>> While it would be great to talk about how the app was built, I fear that it would be hard to get apps to write all that information. It would actually be awesome if we have blog posts that has articles from these app authors, describing their experience with writing Cordova apps. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 10/19/15, 5:46 AM, "Joerg Holz" <ho...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>> 
>>> I don’t like the phonegap app pages. They are cheap ads for developers, nothing more.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> My proposal is another one. Cordova has two main problems in the public:
>>> 
>>> – Are complex apps working well?
>>> 
>>> – How is an app exactly developed?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> So, I see a deal: The one, who want’s to be curated on the site has to tell details about the app.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> That means:
>>> 
>>> We could curate apps/developers, if they telling someting about their solutions, for example:
>>> 
>>> – Which platforms are supported (minimum two)
>>> 
>>> – Which plugins are used?
>>> 
>>> – Which frameworks are used, if any?
>>> 
>>> – Syncing, languages, support for disabled people, …
>>> 
>>> – Something about problems
>>> 
>>> – Developing enviroment
>>> 
>>> 
>>> A few of the apps are displayed randomly, each in a category (utility, production, … like in the stores) and there is a list with all apps on a second page.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Joerg
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Am 19.10.2015 um 06:12 schrieb Jesse <pu...@gmail.com>:
>>>> 
>>>> This was part of my hesitation in doing this.
>>>> PhoneGap.com gets >20 submissions a week, and someone has to look at them,
>>>> validate them. Here [1] is a link to page 30 of the android apps, and there
>>>> are 24 apps per page.
>>>> 
>>>> We also have to consider appropriateness of the app, is it adult? mature?
>>>> We cannot display every app submitted.
>>>> I agree with automating the display of apps, we don't want to have to do
>>>> this.
>>>> 
>>>> [1] http://phonegap.com/app/android/page30/
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> My team is hiring!
>>>> @purplecabbage
>>>> risingj.com
>>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Dmitry Blotsky <db...@microsoft.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> So, there are two items to address here:
>>>>> - display policy
>>>>> - content policy
>>>>> 
>>>>> I propose the following policy for app content:
>>>>> - if the app is on an app store, it is OK to show on our page
>>>>> 
>>>>> I propose the following strategy for app display:
>>>>> - show 6 apps and 6 tools
>>>>> - pick them at random at each page load from their respective lists
>>>>> - when we agree on quality metrics:
>>>>>      - use them to sort instead of picking randomly OR
>>>>>      - pick arbitrarily at our discretion
>>>>> 
>>>>> Kindly,
>>>>> Dmitry
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 16, 2015, at 2:19 PM, julio cesar sanchez <jc...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I think every cordova app should be accepted and displayed, but we should
>>>>>> create a "Featured apps" section like
>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=phonegap.com&data=01%7c01%7cdblotsky%40microsoft.com%7cb6348c11e8b944fe70cf08d2d66f7669%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=eDhU2NWipwMST6Kvu%2bxGRZVseukwYgOoS2QBhmPTK78%3d,
>>>>> where we show "the best
>>>>>> of the best", or show the best on first page
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 2015-10-16 23:07 GMT+02:00 Tommy Williams <to...@devgeeks.org>:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> +1 for curation.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Apps in the showcase should really be the best of the best, yeah? Apps
>>>>>>> that show that the myths about Cordova aren’t true, etc.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 17 October 2015 at 07:44:49, Joe Bowser (bowserj@gmail.com) wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Yes, I definitely think we should be curating the apps to make sure
>>>>> they're
>>>>>>> legit.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Dmitry Blotsky <
>>>>> dblotsky@microsoft.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hey folks,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Just a quick thought: should we be curating the apps in the showcase to
>>>>>>>> make sure they’re legit? I verify that they’re on an app store, but the
>>>>>>>> Android app store has no curation.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Kindly,
>>>>>>>> Dmitry
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
>>>>> 
>>> 
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>>> holz@hamburg.de
>>> 
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Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps

Posted by Jesse <pu...@gmail.com>.

- downloads are not verifiable in some markets
- star ratings do not always reflect quality

I would much rather drop the whole showcase concept, and simply allow
guest-blog pull requests.  Guest blogs could be about an app, if that's
what the submitter wanted to do, and could contain as much or as little
info as desired.

Ultimately, I do not think we have an issue with marketing, and as an open
source project, I would much rather see us focus on code quality than
trying to repair a (perceived) damaged public reputation.
I've already spent too much time discussing this, so I will refrain from
further replies and go with whatever is decided.






My team is hiring!
@purplecabbage
risingj.com

On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I like the idea of putting the onus on the developer to actually do
> some marketing and selling of their app to us :)
> We should have that minimum bar that they need to pass, I like Ryan's
> listed criteria.
>
> On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Ryan J. Salva <rs...@microsoft.com>
> wrote:
> > The original goal for including the app showcase was to demonstrate that
> developers can build rockstar-quality apps using Cordova. I agree that by
> opening the invitation to anyone without a vetting process, we fall short
> of the original goal. Indeed, we might end up with a throng of hobo-quality
> apps using any technology under the sun :-)
> >
> > At the same time, I don't want to sign up any of the Cordova committers
> to navigate the prejudicial question of "what counts as good?" Thus, I like
> Jörg's proposal that we raise the empirical bar for entry. App developers
> need to prove not only that their app is a Cordova app, but they have to
> submit something that helps other developers build a better app.
> >
> > Here's a straw man proposal intended to provoke response:
> >
> > Must appear in a public store
> > Must use Cordova
> > Minimum 4 start rating
> > Minimum 1,000 downloads
> > Submitter must write a 200+ word blog post answering
> > – Which platforms are supported (minimum two)
> > – Which plugins are used?
> > – Which frameworks are used, if any?
> > – Syncing, languages, support for disabled people, …
> > – Something about problems
> > – Development environment and tools used
> >
> > Thoughts?
> > rjs
> >
> > Ryan J. Salva  |  Principal Program Manager Lead
> > Visual Studio Tools for Apache Cordova
> > rsalva@microsoft.com
> > 206 612 5079 mobile
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joerg Holz [mailto:holz@hamburg.de]
> > Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 8:11 AM
> > To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps
> >
> > thx for agreeing, but I see things different:
> >
> > – What means pretty good, who will decide this, how to measure?
> >
> > – What mean's popular, count of downloads?
> >
> > Cordova as project has to have a view from Cordova -> Apps and not from
> the other side. People have to say, why Cordova is good, Cordova has not to
> say why an app is good.
> >
> >
> > And, yes, there is a need to have a blog or someting else for helping
> people and doing the small, but important, things.
> >
> > The most important thing is, that a lot of people starting with Cordova
> don’t know a lot about javascript, htlm and css and that is the reason why
> a lot of questions on SO are unanswered.
> >
> >
> > Jörg
> >
> >
> >> Am 19.10.2015 um 16:37 schrieb Parashuram N <pa...@microsoft.com>:
> >>
> >> I agree with Joerg. The only reason we have curated apps on the page is
> to show people that Cordova can be used for building real apps. One
> perception people have today is that Cordova and WebView is not fast
> enough, or that serious applications are written in native languages.
> >>
> >> I think that any app on the showcase should emphasize 3 things
> >>
> >> - The app is pretty good, and feels like native and performs like one.
> >> - The app works across multiple platforms, ensuring code sharing
> >> - The app is popular, something that our users may have come across, or
> would like to try.
> >>
> >> While it would be great to talk about how the app was built, I fear
> that it would be hard to get apps to write all that information. It would
> actually be awesome if we have blog posts that has articles from these app
> authors, describing their experience with writing Cordova apps.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 10/19/15, 5:46 AM, "Joerg Holz" <ho...@hamburg.de> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I don’t like the phonegap app pages. They are cheap ads for
> developers, nothing more.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> My proposal is another one. Cordova has two main problems in the
> public:
> >>>
> >>> – Are complex apps working well?
> >>>
> >>> – How is an app exactly developed?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> So, I see a deal: The one, who want’s to be curated on the site has to
> tell details about the app.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> That means:
> >>>
> >>> We could curate apps/developers, if they telling someting about their
> solutions, for example:
> >>>
> >>> – Which platforms are supported (minimum two)
> >>>
> >>> – Which plugins are used?
> >>>
> >>> – Which frameworks are used, if any?
> >>>
> >>> – Syncing, languages, support for disabled people, …
> >>>
> >>> – Something about problems
> >>>
> >>> – Developing enviroment
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> A few of the apps are displayed randomly, each in a category (utility,
> production, … like in the stores) and there is a list with all apps on a
> second page.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Joerg
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Am 19.10.2015 um 06:12 schrieb Jesse <pu...@gmail.com>:
> >>>>
> >>>> This was part of my hesitation in doing this.
> >>>> PhoneGap.com gets >20 submissions a week, and someone has to look at
> them,
> >>>> validate them. Here [1] is a link to page 30 of the android apps, and
> there
> >>>> are 24 apps per page.
> >>>>
> >>>> We also have to consider appropriateness of the app, is it adult?
> mature?
> >>>> We cannot display every app submitted.
> >>>> I agree with automating the display of apps, we don't want to have to
> do
> >>>> this.
> >>>>
> >>>> [1] http://phonegap.com/app/android/page30/
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> My team is hiring!
> >>>> @purplecabbage
> >>>> risingj.com
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Dmitry Blotsky <
> dblotsky@microsoft.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> So, there are two items to address here:
> >>>>> - display policy
> >>>>> - content policy
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I propose the following policy for app content:
> >>>>> - if the app is on an app store, it is OK to show on our page
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I propose the following strategy for app display:
> >>>>> - show 6 apps and 6 tools
> >>>>> - pick them at random at each page load from their respective lists
> >>>>> - when we agree on quality metrics:
> >>>>>       - use them to sort instead of picking randomly OR
> >>>>>       - pick arbitrarily at our discretion
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Kindly,
> >>>>> Dmitry
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Oct 16, 2015, at 2:19 PM, julio cesar sanchez <
> jcesarmobile@gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I think every cordova app should be accepted and displayed, but we
> should
> >>>>>> create a "Featured apps" section like
> >>>>>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=phonegap.com&data=01%7c01%7cdblotsky%40microsoft.com%7cb6348c11e8b944fe70cf08d2d66f7669%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=eDhU2NWipwMST6Kvu%2bxGRZVseukwYgOoS2QBhmPTK78%3d
> ,
> >>>>> where we show "the best
> >>>>>> of the best", or show the best on first page
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 2015-10-16 23:07 GMT+02:00 Tommy Williams <to...@devgeeks.org>:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> +1 for curation.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Apps in the showcase should really be the best of the best, yeah?
> Apps
> >>>>>>> that show that the myths about Cordova aren’t true, etc.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 17 October 2015 at 07:44:49, Joe Bowser (bowserj@gmail.com)
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Yes, I definitely think we should be curating the apps to make sure
> >>>>> they're
> >>>>>>> legit.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Dmitry Blotsky <
> >>>>> dblotsky@microsoft.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hey folks,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Just a quick thought: should we be curating the apps in the
> showcase to
> >>>>>>>> make sure they’re legit? I verify that they’re on an app store,
> but the
> >>>>>>>> Android app store has no curation.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Kindly,
> >>>>>>>> Dmitry
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@cordova.apache.org
> >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>> --------------------------------------------------------
> >>> Jörg Holz | +49-175-640 35 80
> >>> holz@hamburg.de
> >>>
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> >>> http://www.workflow-management.net
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> >>>
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> >
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Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps

Posted by Shazron <sh...@gmail.com>.

I like the idea of putting the onus on the developer to actually do
some marketing and selling of their app to us :)
We should have that minimum bar that they need to pass, I like Ryan's
listed criteria.

On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Ryan J. Salva <rs...@microsoft.com> wrote:
> The original goal for including the app showcase was to demonstrate that developers can build rockstar-quality apps using Cordova. I agree that by opening the invitation to anyone without a vetting process, we fall short of the original goal. Indeed, we might end up with a throng of hobo-quality apps using any technology under the sun :-)
>
> At the same time, I don't want to sign up any of the Cordova committers to navigate the prejudicial question of "what counts as good?" Thus, I like Jörg's proposal that we raise the empirical bar for entry. App developers need to prove not only that their app is a Cordova app, but they have to submit something that helps other developers build a better app.
>
> Here's a straw man proposal intended to provoke response:
>
> Must appear in a public store
> Must use Cordova
> Minimum 4 start rating
> Minimum 1,000 downloads
> Submitter must write a 200+ word blog post answering
> – Which platforms are supported (minimum two)
> – Which plugins are used?
> – Which frameworks are used, if any?
> – Syncing, languages, support for disabled people, …
> – Something about problems
> – Development environment and tools used
>
> Thoughts?
> rjs
>
> Ryan J. Salva  |  Principal Program Manager Lead
> Visual Studio Tools for Apache Cordova
> rsalva@microsoft.com
> 206 612 5079 mobile
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joerg Holz [mailto:holz@hamburg.de]
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 8:11 AM
> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps
>
> thx for agreeing, but I see things different:
>
> – What means pretty good, who will decide this, how to measure?
>
> – What mean's popular, count of downloads?
>
> Cordova as project has to have a view from Cordova -> Apps and not from the other side. People have to say, why Cordova is good, Cordova has not to say why an app is good.
>
>
> And, yes, there is a need to have a blog or someting else for helping people and doing the small, but important, things.
>
> The most important thing is, that a lot of people starting with Cordova don’t know a lot about javascript, htlm and css and that is the reason why a lot of questions on SO are unanswered.
>
>
> Jörg
>
>
>> Am 19.10.2015 um 16:37 schrieb Parashuram N <pa...@microsoft.com>:
>>
>> I agree with Joerg. The only reason we have curated apps on the page is to show people that Cordova can be used for building real apps. One perception people have today is that Cordova and WebView is not fast enough, or that serious applications are written in native languages.
>>
>> I think that any app on the showcase should emphasize 3 things
>>
>> - The app is pretty good, and feels like native and performs like one.
>> - The app works across multiple platforms, ensuring code sharing
>> - The app is popular, something that our users may have come across, or would like to try.
>>
>> While it would be great to talk about how the app was built, I fear that it would be hard to get apps to write all that information. It would actually be awesome if we have blog posts that has articles from these app authors, describing their experience with writing Cordova apps.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/19/15, 5:46 AM, "Joerg Holz" <ho...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>>
>>> I don’t like the phonegap app pages. They are cheap ads for developers, nothing more.
>>>
>>>
>>> My proposal is another one. Cordova has two main problems in the public:
>>>
>>> – Are complex apps working well?
>>>
>>> – How is an app exactly developed?
>>>
>>>
>>> So, I see a deal: The one, who want’s to be curated on the site has to tell details about the app.
>>>
>>>
>>> That means:
>>>
>>> We could curate apps/developers, if they telling someting about their solutions, for example:
>>>
>>> – Which platforms are supported (minimum two)
>>>
>>> – Which plugins are used?
>>>
>>> – Which frameworks are used, if any?
>>>
>>> – Syncing, languages, support for disabled people, …
>>>
>>> – Something about problems
>>>
>>> – Developing enviroment
>>>
>>>
>>> A few of the apps are displayed randomly, each in a category (utility, production, … like in the stores) and there is a list with all apps on a second page.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Joerg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Am 19.10.2015 um 06:12 schrieb Jesse <pu...@gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>> This was part of my hesitation in doing this.
>>>> PhoneGap.com gets >20 submissions a week, and someone has to look at them,
>>>> validate them. Here [1] is a link to page 30 of the android apps, and there
>>>> are 24 apps per page.
>>>>
>>>> We also have to consider appropriateness of the app, is it adult? mature?
>>>> We cannot display every app submitted.
>>>> I agree with automating the display of apps, we don't want to have to do
>>>> this.
>>>>
>>>> [1] http://phonegap.com/app/android/page30/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My team is hiring!
>>>> @purplecabbage
>>>> risingj.com
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Dmitry Blotsky <db...@microsoft.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So, there are two items to address here:
>>>>> - display policy
>>>>> - content policy
>>>>>
>>>>> I propose the following policy for app content:
>>>>> - if the app is on an app store, it is OK to show on our page
>>>>>
>>>>> I propose the following strategy for app display:
>>>>> - show 6 apps and 6 tools
>>>>> - pick them at random at each page load from their respective lists
>>>>> - when we agree on quality metrics:
>>>>>       - use them to sort instead of picking randomly OR
>>>>>       - pick arbitrarily at our discretion
>>>>>
>>>>> Kindly,
>>>>> Dmitry
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 16, 2015, at 2:19 PM, julio cesar sanchez <jc...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think every cordova app should be accepted and displayed, but we should
>>>>>> create a "Featured apps" section like
>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=phonegap.com&data=01%7c01%7cdblotsky%40microsoft.com%7cb6348c11e8b944fe70cf08d2d66f7669%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=eDhU2NWipwMST6Kvu%2bxGRZVseukwYgOoS2QBhmPTK78%3d,
>>>>> where we show "the best
>>>>>> of the best", or show the best on first page
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2015-10-16 23:07 GMT+02:00 Tommy Williams <to...@devgeeks.org>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> +1 for curation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apps in the showcase should really be the best of the best, yeah? Apps
>>>>>>> that show that the myths about Cordova aren’t true, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 17 October 2015 at 07:44:49, Joe Bowser (bowserj@gmail.com) wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, I definitely think we should be curating the apps to make sure
>>>>> they're
>>>>>>> legit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Dmitry Blotsky <
>>>>> dblotsky@microsoft.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey folks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just a quick thought: should we be curating the apps in the showcase to
>>>>>>>> make sure they’re legit? I verify that they’re on an app store, but the
>>>>>>>> Android app store has no curation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kindly,
>>>>>>>> Dmitry
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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RE: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps

Posted by "Ryan J. Salva" <rs...@microsoft.com>.

The original goal for including the app showcase was to demonstrate that developers can build rockstar-quality apps using Cordova. I agree that by opening the invitation to anyone without a vetting process, we fall short of the original goal. Indeed, we might end up with a throng of hobo-quality apps using any technology under the sun :-)

At the same time, I don't want to sign up any of the Cordova committers to navigate the prejudicial question of "what counts as good?" Thus, I like Jörg's proposal that we raise the empirical bar for entry. App developers need to prove not only that their app is a Cordova app, but they have to submit something that helps other developers build a better app. 

Here's a straw man proposal intended to provoke response:

Must appear in a public store
Must use Cordova
Minimum 4 start rating
Minimum 1,000 downloads
Submitter must write a 200+ word blog post answering
– Which platforms are supported (minimum two)
– Which plugins are used?
– Which frameworks are used, if any?
– Syncing, languages, support for disabled people, …
– Something about problems
– Development environment and tools used

Thoughts?
rjs

Ryan J. Salva  |  Principal Program Manager Lead
Visual Studio Tools for Apache Cordova
rsalva@microsoft.com
206 612 5079 mobile



-----Original Message-----
From: Joerg Holz [mailto:holz@hamburg.de] 
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 8:11 AM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps

thx for agreeing, but I see things different:

– What means pretty good, who will decide this, how to measure?

– What mean's popular, count of downloads?

Cordova as project has to have a view from Cordova -> Apps and not from the other side. People have to say, why Cordova is good, Cordova has not to say why an app is good.


And, yes, there is a need to have a blog or someting else for helping people and doing the small, but important, things.

The most important thing is, that a lot of people starting with Cordova don’t know a lot about javascript, htlm and css and that is the reason why a lot of questions on SO are unanswered.


Jörg


> Am 19.10.2015 um 16:37 schrieb Parashuram N <pa...@microsoft.com>:
> 
> I agree with Joerg. The only reason we have curated apps on the page is to show people that Cordova can be used for building real apps. One perception people have today is that Cordova and WebView is not fast enough, or that serious applications are written in native languages.
> 
> I think that any app on the showcase should emphasize 3 things
> 
> - The app is pretty good, and feels like native and performs like one.
> - The app works across multiple platforms, ensuring code sharing
> - The app is popular, something that our users may have come across, or would like to try.
> 
> While it would be great to talk about how the app was built, I fear that it would be hard to get apps to write all that information. It would actually be awesome if we have blog posts that has articles from these app authors, describing their experience with writing Cordova apps. 
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/19/15, 5:46 AM, "Joerg Holz" <ho...@hamburg.de> wrote:
> 
>> I don’t like the phonegap app pages. They are cheap ads for developers, nothing more.
>> 
>> 
>> My proposal is another one. Cordova has two main problems in the public:
>> 
>> – Are complex apps working well?
>> 
>> – How is an app exactly developed?
>> 
>> 
>> So, I see a deal: The one, who want’s to be curated on the site has to tell details about the app.
>> 
>> 
>> That means:
>> 
>> We could curate apps/developers, if they telling someting about their solutions, for example:
>> 
>> – Which platforms are supported (minimum two)
>> 
>> – Which plugins are used?
>> 
>> – Which frameworks are used, if any?
>> 
>> – Syncing, languages, support for disabled people, …
>> 
>> – Something about problems
>> 
>> – Developing enviroment
>> 
>> 
>> A few of the apps are displayed randomly, each in a category (utility, production, … like in the stores) and there is a list with all apps on a second page.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Joerg
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Am 19.10.2015 um 06:12 schrieb Jesse <pu...@gmail.com>:
>>> 
>>> This was part of my hesitation in doing this.
>>> PhoneGap.com gets >20 submissions a week, and someone has to look at them,
>>> validate them. Here [1] is a link to page 30 of the android apps, and there
>>> are 24 apps per page.
>>> 
>>> We also have to consider appropriateness of the app, is it adult? mature?
>>> We cannot display every app submitted.
>>> I agree with automating the display of apps, we don't want to have to do
>>> this.
>>> 
>>> [1] http://phonegap.com/app/android/page30/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> My team is hiring!
>>> @purplecabbage
>>> risingj.com
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Dmitry Blotsky <db...@microsoft.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> So, there are two items to address here:
>>>> - display policy
>>>> - content policy
>>>> 
>>>> I propose the following policy for app content:
>>>> - if the app is on an app store, it is OK to show on our page
>>>> 
>>>> I propose the following strategy for app display:
>>>> - show 6 apps and 6 tools
>>>> - pick them at random at each page load from their respective lists
>>>> - when we agree on quality metrics:
>>>>       - use them to sort instead of picking randomly OR
>>>>       - pick arbitrarily at our discretion
>>>> 
>>>> Kindly,
>>>> Dmitry
>>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 16, 2015, at 2:19 PM, julio cesar sanchez <jc...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think every cordova app should be accepted and displayed, but we should
>>>>> create a "Featured apps" section like
>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=phonegap.com&data=01%7c01%7cdblotsky%40microsoft.com%7cb6348c11e8b944fe70cf08d2d66f7669%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=eDhU2NWipwMST6Kvu%2bxGRZVseukwYgOoS2QBhmPTK78%3d,
>>>> where we show "the best
>>>>> of the best", or show the best on first page
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2015-10-16 23:07 GMT+02:00 Tommy Williams <to...@devgeeks.org>:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> +1 for curation.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Apps in the showcase should really be the best of the best, yeah? Apps
>>>>>> that show that the myths about Cordova aren’t true, etc.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 17 October 2015 at 07:44:49, Joe Bowser (bowserj@gmail.com) wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yes, I definitely think we should be curating the apps to make sure
>>>> they're
>>>>>> legit.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Dmitry Blotsky <
>>>> dblotsky@microsoft.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hey folks,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Just a quick thought: should we be curating the apps in the showcase to
>>>>>>> make sure they’re legit? I verify that they’re on an app store, but the
>>>>>>> Android app store has no curation.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Kindly,
>>>>>>> Dmitry
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps

Posted by Joerg Holz <ho...@hamburg.de>.

thx for agreeing, but I see things different:

– What means pretty good, who will decide this, how to measure?

– What mean's popular, count of downloads?

Cordova as project has to have a view from Cordova -> Apps and not from the other side. People have to say, why Cordova is good, Cordova has not to say why an app is good.


And, yes, there is a need to have a blog or someting else for helping people and doing the small, but important, things.

The most important thing is, that a lot of people starting with Cordova don’t know a lot about javascript, htlm and css and that is the reason why a lot of questions on SO are unanswered.


Jörg


> Am 19.10.2015 um 16:37 schrieb Parashuram N <pa...@microsoft.com>:
> 
> I agree with Joerg. The only reason we have curated apps on the page is to show people that Cordova can be used for building real apps. One perception people have today is that Cordova and WebView is not fast enough, or that serious applications are written in native languages.
> 
> I think that any app on the showcase should emphasize 3 things
> 
> - The app is pretty good, and feels like native and performs like one.
> - The app works across multiple platforms, ensuring code sharing
> - The app is popular, something that our users may have come across, or would like to try.
> 
> While it would be great to talk about how the app was built, I fear that it would be hard to get apps to write all that information. It would actually be awesome if we have blog posts that has articles from these app authors, describing their experience with writing Cordova apps. 
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/19/15, 5:46 AM, "Joerg Holz" <ho...@hamburg.de> wrote:
> 
>> I don’t like the phonegap app pages. They are cheap ads for developers, nothing more.
>> 
>> 
>> My proposal is another one. Cordova has two main problems in the public:
>> 
>> – Are complex apps working well?
>> 
>> – How is an app exactly developed?
>> 
>> 
>> So, I see a deal: The one, who want’s to be curated on the site has to tell details about the app.
>> 
>> 
>> That means:
>> 
>> We could curate apps/developers, if they telling someting about their solutions, for example:
>> 
>> – Which platforms are supported (minimum two)
>> 
>> – Which plugins are used?
>> 
>> – Which frameworks are used, if any?
>> 
>> – Syncing, languages, support for disabled people, …
>> 
>> – Something about problems
>> 
>> – Developing enviroment
>> 
>> 
>> A few of the apps are displayed randomly, each in a category (utility, production, … like in the stores) and there is a list with all apps on a second page.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Joerg
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Am 19.10.2015 um 06:12 schrieb Jesse <pu...@gmail.com>:
>>> 
>>> This was part of my hesitation in doing this.
>>> PhoneGap.com gets >20 submissions a week, and someone has to look at them,
>>> validate them. Here [1] is a link to page 30 of the android apps, and there
>>> are 24 apps per page.
>>> 
>>> We also have to consider appropriateness of the app, is it adult? mature?
>>> We cannot display every app submitted.
>>> I agree with automating the display of apps, we don't want to have to do
>>> this.
>>> 
>>> [1] http://phonegap.com/app/android/page30/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> My team is hiring!
>>> @purplecabbage
>>> risingj.com
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Dmitry Blotsky <db...@microsoft.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> So, there are two items to address here:
>>>> - display policy
>>>> - content policy
>>>> 
>>>> I propose the following policy for app content:
>>>> - if the app is on an app store, it is OK to show on our page
>>>> 
>>>> I propose the following strategy for app display:
>>>> - show 6 apps and 6 tools
>>>> - pick them at random at each page load from their respective lists
>>>> - when we agree on quality metrics:
>>>>       - use them to sort instead of picking randomly OR
>>>>       - pick arbitrarily at our discretion
>>>> 
>>>> Kindly,
>>>> Dmitry
>>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 16, 2015, at 2:19 PM, julio cesar sanchez <jc...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think every cordova app should be accepted and displayed, but we should
>>>>> create a "Featured apps" section like
>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=phonegap.com&data=01%7c01%7cdblotsky%40microsoft.com%7cb6348c11e8b944fe70cf08d2d66f7669%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=eDhU2NWipwMST6Kvu%2bxGRZVseukwYgOoS2QBhmPTK78%3d,
>>>> where we show "the best
>>>>> of the best", or show the best on first page
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2015-10-16 23:07 GMT+02:00 Tommy Williams <to...@devgeeks.org>:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> +1 for curation.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Apps in the showcase should really be the best of the best, yeah? Apps
>>>>>> that show that the myths about Cordova aren’t true, etc.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 17 October 2015 at 07:44:49, Joe Bowser (bowserj@gmail.com) wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yes, I definitely think we should be curating the apps to make sure
>>>> they're
>>>>>> legit.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Dmitry Blotsky <
>>>> dblotsky@microsoft.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hey folks,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Just a quick thought: should we be curating the apps in the showcase to
>>>>>>> make sure they’re legit? I verify that they’re on an app store, but the
>>>>>>> Android app store has no curation.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Kindly,
>>>>>>> Dmitry
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps

Posted by Parashuram N <pa...@microsoft.com>.

I agree with Joerg. The only reason we have curated apps on the page is to show people that Cordova can be used for building real apps. One perception people have today is that Cordova and WebView is not fast enough, or that serious applications are written in native languages.

I think that any app on the showcase should emphasize 3 things

- The app is pretty good, and feels like native and performs like one.
- The app works across multiple platforms, ensuring code sharing
- The app is popular, something that our users may have come across, or would like to try.

While it would be great to talk about how the app was built, I fear that it would be hard to get apps to write all that information. It would actually be awesome if we have blog posts that has articles from these app authors, describing their experience with writing Cordova apps. 



On 10/19/15, 5:46 AM, "Joerg Holz" <ho...@hamburg.de> wrote:

>I don’t like the phonegap app pages. They are cheap ads for developers, nothing more.
>
>
>My proposal is another one. Cordova has two main problems in the public:
> 
>– Are complex apps working well?
>
>– How is an app exactly developed?
>
>
>So, I see a deal: The one, who want’s to be curated on the site has to tell details about the app.
>
>
>That means:
>
>We could curate apps/developers, if they telling someting about their solutions, for example:
>
>– Which platforms are supported (minimum two)
>
>– Which plugins are used?
>
>– Which frameworks are used, if any?
>
>– Syncing, languages, support for disabled people, …
>
>– Something about problems
>
>– Developing enviroment
>
>
>A few of the apps are displayed randomly, each in a category (utility, production, … like in the stores) and there is a list with all apps on a second page.
>
>
>Regards,
>
>Joerg
>
>
>
>
>> Am 19.10.2015 um 06:12 schrieb Jesse <pu...@gmail.com>:
>> 
>> This was part of my hesitation in doing this.
>> PhoneGap.com gets >20 submissions a week, and someone has to look at them,
>> validate them. Here [1] is a link to page 30 of the android apps, and there
>> are 24 apps per page.
>> 
>> We also have to consider appropriateness of the app, is it adult? mature?
>> We cannot display every app submitted.
>> I agree with automating the display of apps, we don't want to have to do
>> this.
>> 
>> [1] http://phonegap.com/app/android/page30/
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> My team is hiring!
>> @purplecabbage
>> risingj.com
>> 
>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Dmitry Blotsky <db...@microsoft.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> So, there are two items to address here:
>>> - display policy
>>> - content policy
>>> 
>>> I propose the following policy for app content:
>>> - if the app is on an app store, it is OK to show on our page
>>> 
>>> I propose the following strategy for app display:
>>> - show 6 apps and 6 tools
>>> - pick them at random at each page load from their respective lists
>>> - when we agree on quality metrics:
>>>        - use them to sort instead of picking randomly OR
>>>        - pick arbitrarily at our discretion
>>> 
>>> Kindly,
>>> Dmitry
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 16, 2015, at 2:19 PM, julio cesar sanchez <jc...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I think every cordova app should be accepted and displayed, but we should
>>>> create a "Featured apps" section like
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=phonegap.com&data=01%7c01%7cdblotsky%40microsoft.com%7cb6348c11e8b944fe70cf08d2d66f7669%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=eDhU2NWipwMST6Kvu%2bxGRZVseukwYgOoS2QBhmPTK78%3d,
>>> where we show "the best
>>>> of the best", or show the best on first page
>>>> 
>>>> 2015-10-16 23:07 GMT+02:00 Tommy Williams <to...@devgeeks.org>:
>>>> 
>>>>> +1 for curation.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Apps in the showcase should really be the best of the best, yeah? Apps
>>>>> that show that the myths about Cordova aren’t true, etc.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 17 October 2015 at 07:44:49, Joe Bowser (bowserj@gmail.com) wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes, I definitely think we should be curating the apps to make sure
>>> they're
>>>>> legit.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Dmitry Blotsky <
>>> dblotsky@microsoft.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hey folks,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Just a quick thought: should we be curating the apps in the showcase to
>>>>>> make sure they’re legit? I verify that they’re on an app store, but the
>>>>>> Android app store has no curation.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Kindly,
>>>>>> Dmitry
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps

Posted by Joerg Holz <ho...@hamburg.de>.

I don’t like the phonegap app pages. They are cheap ads for developers, nothing more.


My proposal is another one. Cordova has two main problems in the public:
 
– Are complex apps working well?

– How is an app exactly developed?


So, I see a deal: The one, who want’s to be curated on the site has to tell details about the app.


That means:

We could curate apps/developers, if they telling someting about their solutions, for example:

– Which platforms are supported (minimum two)

– Which plugins are used?

– Which frameworks are used, if any?

– Syncing, languages, support for disabled people, …

– Something about problems

– Developing enviroment


A few of the apps are displayed randomly, each in a category (utility, production, … like in the stores) and there is a list with all apps on a second page.


Regards,

Joerg




> Am 19.10.2015 um 06:12 schrieb Jesse <pu...@gmail.com>:
> 
> This was part of my hesitation in doing this.
> PhoneGap.com gets >20 submissions a week, and someone has to look at them,
> validate them. Here [1] is a link to page 30 of the android apps, and there
> are 24 apps per page.
> 
> We also have to consider appropriateness of the app, is it adult? mature?
> We cannot display every app submitted.
> I agree with automating the display of apps, we don't want to have to do
> this.
> 
> [1] http://phonegap.com/app/android/page30/
> 
> 
> 
> My team is hiring!
> @purplecabbage
> risingj.com
> 
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Dmitry Blotsky <db...@microsoft.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> So, there are two items to address here:
>> - display policy
>> - content policy
>> 
>> I propose the following policy for app content:
>> - if the app is on an app store, it is OK to show on our page
>> 
>> I propose the following strategy for app display:
>> - show 6 apps and 6 tools
>> - pick them at random at each page load from their respective lists
>> - when we agree on quality metrics:
>>        - use them to sort instead of picking randomly OR
>>        - pick arbitrarily at our discretion
>> 
>> Kindly,
>> Dmitry
>> 
>>> On Oct 16, 2015, at 2:19 PM, julio cesar sanchez <jc...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think every cordova app should be accepted and displayed, but we should
>>> create a "Featured apps" section like
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=phonegap.com&data=01%7c01%7cdblotsky%40microsoft.com%7cb6348c11e8b944fe70cf08d2d66f7669%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=eDhU2NWipwMST6Kvu%2bxGRZVseukwYgOoS2QBhmPTK78%3d,
>> where we show "the best
>>> of the best", or show the best on first page
>>> 
>>> 2015-10-16 23:07 GMT+02:00 Tommy Williams <to...@devgeeks.org>:
>>> 
>>>> +1 for curation.
>>>> 
>>>> Apps in the showcase should really be the best of the best, yeah? Apps
>>>> that show that the myths about Cordova aren’t true, etc.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 17 October 2015 at 07:44:49, Joe Bowser (bowserj@gmail.com) wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, I definitely think we should be curating the apps to make sure
>> they're
>>>> legit.
>>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Dmitry Blotsky <
>> dblotsky@microsoft.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hey folks,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Just a quick thought: should we be curating the apps in the showcase to
>>>>> make sure they’re legit? I verify that they’re on an app store, but the
>>>>> Android app store has no curation.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Kindly,
>>>>> Dmitry
>>>> 
>> 
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Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps

Posted by Jesse <pu...@gmail.com>.

This was part of my hesitation in doing this.
PhoneGap.com gets >20 submissions a week, and someone has to look at them,
validate them. Here [1] is a link to page 30 of the android apps, and there
are 24 apps per page.

We also have to consider appropriateness of the app, is it adult? mature?
We cannot display every app submitted.
I agree with automating the display of apps, we don't want to have to do
this.

[1] http://phonegap.com/app/android/page30/



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On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Dmitry Blotsky <db...@microsoft.com>
wrote:

> So, there are two items to address here:
> - display policy
> - content policy
>
> I propose the following policy for app content:
> - if the app is on an app store, it is OK to show on our page
>
> I propose the following strategy for app display:
> - show 6 apps and 6 tools
> - pick them at random at each page load from their respective lists
> - when we agree on quality metrics:
>         - use them to sort instead of picking randomly OR
>         - pick arbitrarily at our discretion
>
> Kindly,
> Dmitry
>
> > On Oct 16, 2015, at 2:19 PM, julio cesar sanchez <jc...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I think every cordova app should be accepted and displayed, but we should
> > create a "Featured apps" section like
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=phonegap.com&data=01%7c01%7cdblotsky%40microsoft.com%7cb6348c11e8b944fe70cf08d2d66f7669%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=eDhU2NWipwMST6Kvu%2bxGRZVseukwYgOoS2QBhmPTK78%3d,
> where we show "the best
> > of the best", or show the best on first page
> >
> > 2015-10-16 23:07 GMT+02:00 Tommy Williams <to...@devgeeks.org>:
> >
> >> +1 for curation.
> >>
> >> Apps in the showcase should really be the best of the best, yeah? Apps
> >> that show that the myths about Cordova aren’t true, etc.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 17 October 2015 at 07:44:49, Joe Bowser (bowserj@gmail.com) wrote:
> >>
> >> Yes, I definitely think we should be curating the apps to make sure
> they're
> >> legit.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Dmitry Blotsky <
> dblotsky@microsoft.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hey folks,
> >>>
> >>> Just a quick thought: should we be curating the apps in the showcase to
> >>> make sure they’re legit? I verify that they’re on an app store, but the
> >>> Android app store has no curation.
> >>>
> >>> Kindly,
> >>> Dmitry
> >>
>
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps

Posted by Dmitry Blotsky <db...@microsoft.com>.

So, there are two items to address here:
- display policy
- content policy

I propose the following policy for app content: 
- if the app is on an app store, it is OK to show on our page

I propose the following strategy for app display:
- show 6 apps and 6 tools
- pick them at random at each page load from their respective lists
- when we agree on quality metrics:
	- use them to sort instead of picking randomly OR
	- pick arbitrarily at our discretion

Kindly,
Dmitry

> On Oct 16, 2015, at 2:19 PM, julio cesar sanchez <jc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I think every cordova app should be accepted and displayed, but we should
> create a "Featured apps" section like https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=phonegap.com&data=01%7c01%7cdblotsky%40microsoft.com%7cb6348c11e8b944fe70cf08d2d66f7669%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=eDhU2NWipwMST6Kvu%2bxGRZVseukwYgOoS2QBhmPTK78%3d, where we show "the best
> of the best", or show the best on first page
> 
> 2015-10-16 23:07 GMT+02:00 Tommy Williams <to...@devgeeks.org>:
> 
>> +1 for curation.
>> 
>> Apps in the showcase should really be the best of the best, yeah? Apps
>> that show that the myths about Cordova aren’t true, etc.
>> 
>> 
>> On 17 October 2015 at 07:44:49, Joe Bowser (bowserj@gmail.com) wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, I definitely think we should be curating the apps to make sure they're
>> legit.
>> 
>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Dmitry Blotsky <db...@microsoft.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey folks,
>>> 
>>> Just a quick thought: should we be curating the apps in the showcase to
>>> make sure they’re legit? I verify that they’re on an app store, but the
>>> Android app store has no curation.
>>> 
>>> Kindly,
>>> Dmitry
>> 


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Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps

Posted by julio cesar sanchez <jc...@gmail.com>.

I think every cordova app should be accepted and displayed, but we should
create a "Featured apps" section like phonegap.com, where we show "the best
of the best", or show the best on first page

2015-10-16 23:07 GMT+02:00 Tommy Williams <to...@devgeeks.org>:

> +1 for curation.
>
> Apps in the showcase should really be the best of the best, yeah? Apps
> that show that the myths about Cordova aren’t true, etc.
>
>
> On 17 October 2015 at 07:44:49, Joe Bowser (bowserj@gmail.com) wrote:
>
> Yes, I definitely think we should be curating the apps to make sure they're
> legit.
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Dmitry Blotsky <db...@microsoft.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hey folks,
> >
> > Just a quick thought: should we be curating the apps in the showcase to
> > make sure they’re legit? I verify that they’re on an app store, but the
> > Android app store has no curation.
> >
> > Kindly,
> > Dmitry
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps

Posted by Tommy Williams <to...@devgeeks.org>.

+1 for curation.

Apps in the showcase should really be the best of the best, yeah? Apps that show that the myths about Cordova aren’t true, etc.

On 17 October 2015 at 07:44:49, Joe Bowser (bowserj@gmail.com) wrote:

Yes, I definitely think we should be curating the apps to make sure they're  
legit.  

On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Dmitry Blotsky <db...@microsoft.com>  
wrote:  

> Hey folks,  
>  
> Just a quick thought: should we be curating the apps in the showcase to  
> make sure they’re legit? I verify that they’re on an app store, but the  
> Android app store has no curation.  
>  
> Kindly,  
> Dmitry

Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps

Posted by Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com>.

Yes, I definitely think we should be curating the apps to make sure they're
legit.

On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Dmitry Blotsky <db...@microsoft.com>
wrote:

> Hey folks,
>
> Just a quick thought: should we be curating the apps in the showcase to
> make sure they’re legit? I verify that they’re on an app store, but the
> Android app store has no curation.
>
> Kindly,
> Dmitry