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Redirecting retired podling websites
It's currently quite awkward fixing up retired podling websites so
they redirect to the status page.
There are currently about 6 such podlings, dating back to Nov 2013.
[It's easy enough to do this for incubator sub-sites (e.g.
http://incubator.apache.org/wave), as these can use a single .htaccess
file; that is not the case for the above sites otherwise they would
have been fixed ages ago]
Recent podlings use websites like http://ariatosca.apache.org/ and/or
http://ariatosca.incubator.apache.org/
The redirects need to be added in each website source.
This can be difficult to do, see INFRA-21451 re Tamaya.
This was opened on Feb 21st and has yet to be completed.
I have proposed an Infra PR which should make it much easier to set up
the redirect to the status file.
The idea is to set up a special directory:
http://incubator.apache.org/retired/
For each retired podling, create a marker directory, e.g.
tamaya/
If the web server detects that there is a directory matching the first
part of the web host name (e.g. tamaya), then it redirects to
http://incubator.apache.org/projects/tamaya.html (e.g.)
Simples.
Sebb.
P.S. Attic works in a similar way, but adds a banner instead of redirecting.
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Re: Redirecting retired podling websites
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 at 13:04, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 at 12:47, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 at 01:31, Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Apr 3, 2021, at 4:49 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, 3 Apr 2021 at 23:43, Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>> On Apr 3, 2021, at 3:38 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Wed, 31 Mar 2021 at 22:28, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On Wed, 31 Mar 2021 at 17:48, Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Hi Sebb,
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> I noticed you did a lot of updates to .htaccess [1] - I have some inline questions.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> On Mar 30, 2021, at 4:31 PM, Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Hi Sebb,
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> On Mar 30, 2021, at 4:22 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> It's currently quite awkward fixing up retired podling websites so
> > > >>>>>>> they redirect to the status page.
> > > >>>>>>> There are currently about 6 such podlings, dating back to Nov 2013.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> [It's easy enough to do this for incubator sub-sites (e.g.
> > > >>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/wave), as these can use a single .htaccess
> > > >>>>>>> file; that is not the case for the above sites otherwise they would
> > > >>>>>>> have been fixed ages ago]
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Recent podlings use websites like http://ariatosca.apache.org/ and/or
> > > >>>>>>> http://ariatosca.incubator.apache.org/
> > > >>>>>>> The redirects need to be added in each website source.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> This can be difficult to do, see INFRA-21451 re Tamaya.
> > > >>>>>>> This was opened on Feb 21st and has yet to be completed.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> I have proposed an Infra PR which should make it much easier to set up
> > > >>>>>>> the redirect to the status file.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> The idea is to set up a special directory:
> > > >>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/retired/
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> For each retired podling, create a marker directory, e.g.
> > > >>>>>>> tamaya/
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> I can add a step in the clutch2.sh shell script to maintain these placeholders.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Do you still need retired/${podling} marker directories?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Not yet.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Infra have not yet applied the PR, so the marker directories won't
> > > >>>> have any effect yet.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> The PR has now been applied.
> > > >>
> > > >> So, please review https://incubator.apache.org/podlings_retired.txt
> > > >
> > > > No idea what that file has to do with this thread, or what you expect
> > > > me to review.
> > > >
> > > >> If create a retired/$col1 directory on the website the trouble will resolve?
> > > >
> > > > Try creating retired/tamaya/ and see what happens to http://tamaya.apache.org/
> > > > It should redirect to http://incubator.apache.org/projects/tamaya.html
> > > >
> > > > N.B. this only needs to be done for retired podlings whose URLs don't
> > > > already redirect.
> > > >
> > > > There are only about 6 of those, see:
> > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-262
> > > >
> > > >> I want to make sure I'm picking the podling attribute you expect.
> > > >
> > > > The directory name under retired/ must be the same as the unqualified
> > > > host name for the podling website.
> > >
> > > I’m not sure I’m doing what you expected:
> > >
> > > A file is created with the directories you expect at http://incubator.apache.org/retired/tamaya/project.txt
> >
> > There is no need for a file. However AIUI Git does not support empty
> > directories in checkouts.
> > It might be better to create an empty index.html file instead.
> >
> > > The source is here: https://github.com/apache/incubator/blob/master/assets/retired/tamaya/project.txt
> > >
> > > However I’m not seeing the redirect.
> >
> > There was a missing path segment in the directory check, so the server
> > was not finding the directory.
> > This has now been fixed, and http://tamaya.apache.org/ does redirect.
> > (You may need to clear the browser cache).
> >
> > However http://tamaya.incubator.apache.org/ is not redirecting
> > properly. I need to look into this further.
>
> I'm hopeful that
> https://github.com/apache/infrastructure-p6/pull/672
> will fix the issue.
I think it has fixed it.
Please test with other podlings mentioned in INCUBATOR-262
> >
> > > >
> > > > i.e. tamaya for tamaya.apache.org or tamaya.incubator.apache.org
> > > >
> > > >> Regards,
> > > >> Dave
> > > >>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> If the web server detects that there is a directory matching the first
> > > >>>>>>> part of the web host name (e.g. tamaya), then it redirects to
> > > >>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/tamaya.html (e.g.)
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> I think we should also review the .htaccess for the incubator. More tomorrow.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Would you explain .htaccess comments like:
> > > >>>>> # https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf?p=incubator-retired-pirk.git;a=blob;f=.htaccess;hb=refs/heads/asf-site
> > > >>>>> # https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/sirona/site/.htaccess
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> There was a TODO for the retired podling; I replaced it with details
> > > >>>> of where the htaccess file is located.
> > > >>>> (The redirect cannot be done in [1])
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Would .htaccess redirects like the following break anything?
> > > >>>>> RedirectMatch Permanent ^/sirona(/.*)?$ http://incubator.apache.org/projects/sirona.html
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Redirects would not work.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Or rather, they would only apply to http(s)://incubator.apache.org/sirona/*
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I don't think that would do any harm, but the original website was
> > > >>>> http(s)://sirona.apache.org/ so they would not be particularly useful.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> If possible I think that the whole set of graduated and retired .htaccess could be generated.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Not sure it's worth the effort of coding, testing and maintaining such
> > > >>>> a generator.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Changes are not that frequent, and are pretty easy to do by reference
> > > >>>> to an existing entry.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> In any case, I don't think there will be (m)any more changes to [1] --
> > > >>>> podling redirects will have to be made elsewhere.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> When current podlings retire, the htaccess entry has to be made in the
> > > >>>> podling website.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> However if Infra apply the PR, redirects can be enabled simply by
> > > >>>> setting up the retired/<podling> marker directory.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> The PR has been applied, so it should now work.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>> [1] https://raw.githubusercontent.com/apache/incubator/master/assets/.htaccess
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> All The Best,
> > > >>>>> Dave
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Regards,
> > > >>>>>> Dave
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Simples.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Sebb.
> > > >>>>>>> P.S. Attic works in a similar way, but adds a banner instead of redirecting.
> > > >>>>>>>
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Re: Redirecting retired podling websites
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 at 12:47, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 at 01:31, Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Apr 3, 2021, at 4:49 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sat, 3 Apr 2021 at 23:43, Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On Apr 3, 2021, at 3:38 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> On Wed, 31 Mar 2021 at 22:28, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Wed, 31 Mar 2021 at 17:48, Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Hi Sebb,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I noticed you did a lot of updates to .htaccess [1] - I have some inline questions.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Mar 30, 2021, at 4:31 PM, Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hi Sebb,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Mar 30, 2021, at 4:22 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> It's currently quite awkward fixing up retired podling websites so
> > >>>>>>> they redirect to the status page.
> > >>>>>>> There are currently about 6 such podlings, dating back to Nov 2013.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> [It's easy enough to do this for incubator sub-sites (e.g.
> > >>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/wave), as these can use a single .htaccess
> > >>>>>>> file; that is not the case for the above sites otherwise they would
> > >>>>>>> have been fixed ages ago]
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Recent podlings use websites like http://ariatosca.apache.org/ and/or
> > >>>>>>> http://ariatosca.incubator.apache.org/
> > >>>>>>> The redirects need to be added in each website source.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> This can be difficult to do, see INFRA-21451 re Tamaya.
> > >>>>>>> This was opened on Feb 21st and has yet to be completed.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I have proposed an Infra PR which should make it much easier to set up
> > >>>>>>> the redirect to the status file.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> The idea is to set up a special directory:
> > >>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/retired/
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> For each retired podling, create a marker directory, e.g.
> > >>>>>>> tamaya/
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I can add a step in the clutch2.sh shell script to maintain these placeholders.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Do you still need retired/${podling} marker directories?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Not yet.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Infra have not yet applied the PR, so the marker directories won't
> > >>>> have any effect yet.
> > >>>
> > >>> The PR has now been applied.
> > >>
> > >> So, please review https://incubator.apache.org/podlings_retired.txt
> > >
> > > No idea what that file has to do with this thread, or what you expect
> > > me to review.
> > >
> > >> If create a retired/$col1 directory on the website the trouble will resolve?
> > >
> > > Try creating retired/tamaya/ and see what happens to http://tamaya.apache.org/
> > > It should redirect to http://incubator.apache.org/projects/tamaya.html
> > >
> > > N.B. this only needs to be done for retired podlings whose URLs don't
> > > already redirect.
> > >
> > > There are only about 6 of those, see:
> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-262
> > >
> > >> I want to make sure I'm picking the podling attribute you expect.
> > >
> > > The directory name under retired/ must be the same as the unqualified
> > > host name for the podling website.
> >
> > I’m not sure I’m doing what you expected:
> >
> > A file is created with the directories you expect at http://incubator.apache.org/retired/tamaya/project.txt
>
> There is no need for a file. However AIUI Git does not support empty
> directories in checkouts.
> It might be better to create an empty index.html file instead.
>
> > The source is here: https://github.com/apache/incubator/blob/master/assets/retired/tamaya/project.txt
> >
> > However I’m not seeing the redirect.
>
> There was a missing path segment in the directory check, so the server
> was not finding the directory.
> This has now been fixed, and http://tamaya.apache.org/ does redirect.
> (You may need to clear the browser cache).
>
> However http://tamaya.incubator.apache.org/ is not redirecting
> properly. I need to look into this further.
I'm hopeful that
https://github.com/apache/infrastructure-p6/pull/672
will fix the issue.
>
> > >
> > > i.e. tamaya for tamaya.apache.org or tamaya.incubator.apache.org
> > >
> > >> Regards,
> > >> Dave
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> If the web server detects that there is a directory matching the first
> > >>>>>>> part of the web host name (e.g. tamaya), then it redirects to
> > >>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/tamaya.html (e.g.)
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I think we should also review the .htaccess for the incubator. More tomorrow.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Would you explain .htaccess comments like:
> > >>>>> # https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf?p=incubator-retired-pirk.git;a=blob;f=.htaccess;hb=refs/heads/asf-site
> > >>>>> # https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/sirona/site/.htaccess
> > >>>>
> > >>>> There was a TODO for the retired podling; I replaced it with details
> > >>>> of where the htaccess file is located.
> > >>>> (The redirect cannot be done in [1])
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Would .htaccess redirects like the following break anything?
> > >>>>> RedirectMatch Permanent ^/sirona(/.*)?$ http://incubator.apache.org/projects/sirona.html
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Redirects would not work.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Or rather, they would only apply to http(s)://incubator.apache.org/sirona/*
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I don't think that would do any harm, but the original website was
> > >>>> http(s)://sirona.apache.org/ so they would not be particularly useful.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> If possible I think that the whole set of graduated and retired .htaccess could be generated.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Not sure it's worth the effort of coding, testing and maintaining such
> > >>>> a generator.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Changes are not that frequent, and are pretty easy to do by reference
> > >>>> to an existing entry.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> In any case, I don't think there will be (m)any more changes to [1] --
> > >>>> podling redirects will have to be made elsewhere.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> When current podlings retire, the htaccess entry has to be made in the
> > >>>> podling website.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> However if Infra apply the PR, redirects can be enabled simply by
> > >>>> setting up the retired/<podling> marker directory.
> > >>>
> > >>> The PR has been applied, so it should now work.
> > >>>
> > >>>>> [1] https://raw.githubusercontent.com/apache/incubator/master/assets/.htaccess
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> All The Best,
> > >>>>> Dave
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Regards,
> > >>>>>> Dave
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Simples.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Sebb.
> > >>>>>>> P.S. Attic works in a similar way, but adds a banner instead of redirecting.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> > >>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
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> > >>>>>>
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Re: Redirecting retired podling websites
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 at 01:31, Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 3, 2021, at 4:49 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 3 Apr 2021 at 23:43, Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Apr 3, 2021, at 3:38 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, 31 Mar 2021 at 22:28, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, 31 Mar 2021 at 17:48, Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi Sebb,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I noticed you did a lot of updates to .htaccess [1] - I have some inline questions.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Mar 30, 2021, at 4:31 PM, Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Sebb,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Mar 30, 2021, at 4:22 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It's currently quite awkward fixing up retired podling websites so
> >>>>>>> they redirect to the status page.
> >>>>>>> There are currently about 6 such podlings, dating back to Nov 2013.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> [It's easy enough to do this for incubator sub-sites (e.g.
> >>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/wave), as these can use a single .htaccess
> >>>>>>> file; that is not the case for the above sites otherwise they would
> >>>>>>> have been fixed ages ago]
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Recent podlings use websites like http://ariatosca.apache.org/ and/or
> >>>>>>> http://ariatosca.incubator.apache.org/
> >>>>>>> The redirects need to be added in each website source.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> This can be difficult to do, see INFRA-21451 re Tamaya.
> >>>>>>> This was opened on Feb 21st and has yet to be completed.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I have proposed an Infra PR which should make it much easier to set up
> >>>>>>> the redirect to the status file.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The idea is to set up a special directory:
> >>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/retired/
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> For each retired podling, create a marker directory, e.g.
> >>>>>>> tamaya/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I can add a step in the clutch2.sh shell script to maintain these placeholders.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Do you still need retired/${podling} marker directories?
> >>>>
> >>>> Not yet.
> >>>>
> >>>> Infra have not yet applied the PR, so the marker directories won't
> >>>> have any effect yet.
> >>>
> >>> The PR has now been applied.
> >>
> >> So, please review https://incubator.apache.org/podlings_retired.txt
> >
> > No idea what that file has to do with this thread, or what you expect
> > me to review.
> >
> >> If create a retired/$col1 directory on the website the trouble will resolve?
> >
> > Try creating retired/tamaya/ and see what happens to http://tamaya.apache.org/
> > It should redirect to http://incubator.apache.org/projects/tamaya.html
> >
> > N.B. this only needs to be done for retired podlings whose URLs don't
> > already redirect.
> >
> > There are only about 6 of those, see:
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-262
> >
> >> I want to make sure I'm picking the podling attribute you expect.
> >
> > The directory name under retired/ must be the same as the unqualified
> > host name for the podling website.
>
> I’m not sure I’m doing what you expected:
>
> A file is created with the directories you expect at http://incubator.apache.org/retired/tamaya/project.txt
There is no need for a file. However AIUI Git does not support empty
directories in checkouts.
It might be better to create an empty index.html file instead.
> The source is here: https://github.com/apache/incubator/blob/master/assets/retired/tamaya/project.txt
>
> However I’m not seeing the redirect.
There was a missing path segment in the directory check, so the server
was not finding the directory.
This has now been fixed, and http://tamaya.apache.org/ does redirect.
(You may need to clear the browser cache).
However http://tamaya.incubator.apache.org/ is not redirecting
properly. I need to look into this further.
> >
> > i.e. tamaya for tamaya.apache.org or tamaya.incubator.apache.org
> >
> >> Regards,
> >> Dave
> >>
> >>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If the web server detects that there is a directory matching the first
> >>>>>>> part of the web host name (e.g. tamaya), then it redirects to
> >>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/tamaya.html (e.g.)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I think we should also review the .htaccess for the incubator. More tomorrow.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Would you explain .htaccess comments like:
> >>>>> # https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf?p=incubator-retired-pirk.git;a=blob;f=.htaccess;hb=refs/heads/asf-site
> >>>>> # https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/sirona/site/.htaccess
> >>>>
> >>>> There was a TODO for the retired podling; I replaced it with details
> >>>> of where the htaccess file is located.
> >>>> (The redirect cannot be done in [1])
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Would .htaccess redirects like the following break anything?
> >>>>> RedirectMatch Permanent ^/sirona(/.*)?$ http://incubator.apache.org/projects/sirona.html
> >>>>
> >>>> Redirects would not work.
> >>>>
> >>>> Or rather, they would only apply to http(s)://incubator.apache.org/sirona/*
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't think that would do any harm, but the original website was
> >>>> http(s)://sirona.apache.org/ so they would not be particularly useful.
> >>>>
> >>>>> If possible I think that the whole set of graduated and retired .htaccess could be generated.
> >>>>
> >>>> Not sure it's worth the effort of coding, testing and maintaining such
> >>>> a generator.
> >>>>
> >>>> Changes are not that frequent, and are pretty easy to do by reference
> >>>> to an existing entry.
> >>>>
> >>>> In any case, I don't think there will be (m)any more changes to [1] --
> >>>> podling redirects will have to be made elsewhere.
> >>>>
> >>>> When current podlings retire, the htaccess entry has to be made in the
> >>>> podling website.
> >>>>
> >>>> However if Infra apply the PR, redirects can be enabled simply by
> >>>> setting up the retired/<podling> marker directory.
> >>>
> >>> The PR has been applied, so it should now work.
> >>>
> >>>>> [1] https://raw.githubusercontent.com/apache/incubator/master/assets/.htaccess
> >>>>>
> >>>>> All The Best,
> >>>>> Dave
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>> Dave
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Simples.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Sebb.
> >>>>>>> P.S. Attic works in a similar way, but adds a banner instead of redirecting.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> >>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
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> >>>>>
> >>>
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Re: Redirecting retired podling websites
Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>.
> On Apr 3, 2021, at 4:49 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Sat, 3 Apr 2021 at 23:43, Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Apr 3, 2021, at 3:38 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, 31 Mar 2021 at 22:28, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 31 Mar 2021 at 17:48, Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Sebb,
>>>>>
>>>>> I noticed you did a lot of updates to .htaccess [1] - I have some inline questions.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 30, 2021, at 4:31 PM, Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Sebb,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mar 30, 2021, at 4:22 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's currently quite awkward fixing up retired podling websites so
>>>>>>> they redirect to the status page.
>>>>>>> There are currently about 6 such podlings, dating back to Nov 2013.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [It's easy enough to do this for incubator sub-sites (e.g.
>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/wave), as these can use a single .htaccess
>>>>>>> file; that is not the case for the above sites otherwise they would
>>>>>>> have been fixed ages ago]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Recent podlings use websites like http://ariatosca.apache.org/ and/or
>>>>>>> http://ariatosca.incubator.apache.org/
>>>>>>> The redirects need to be added in each website source.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This can be difficult to do, see INFRA-21451 re Tamaya.
>>>>>>> This was opened on Feb 21st and has yet to be completed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have proposed an Infra PR which should make it much easier to set up
>>>>>>> the redirect to the status file.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The idea is to set up a special directory:
>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/retired/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For each retired podling, create a marker directory, e.g.
>>>>>>> tamaya/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can add a step in the clutch2.sh shell script to maintain these placeholders.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you still need retired/${podling} marker directories?
>>>>
>>>> Not yet.
>>>>
>>>> Infra have not yet applied the PR, so the marker directories won't
>>>> have any effect yet.
>>>
>>> The PR has now been applied.
>>
>> So, please review https://incubator.apache.org/podlings_retired.txt
>
> No idea what that file has to do with this thread, or what you expect
> me to review.
>
>> If create a retired/$col1 directory on the website the trouble will resolve?
>
> Try creating retired/tamaya/ and see what happens to http://tamaya.apache.org/
> It should redirect to http://incubator.apache.org/projects/tamaya.html
>
> N.B. this only needs to be done for retired podlings whose URLs don't
> already redirect.
>
> There are only about 6 of those, see:
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-262
>
>> I want to make sure I'm picking the podling attribute you expect.
>
> The directory name under retired/ must be the same as the unqualified
> host name for the podling website.
I’m not sure I’m doing what you expected:
A file is created with the directories you expect at http://incubator.apache.org/retired/tamaya/project.txt
The source is here: https://github.com/apache/incubator/blob/master/assets/retired/tamaya/project.txt
However I’m not seeing the redirect.
>
> i.e. tamaya for tamaya.apache.org or tamaya.incubator.apache.org
>
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>>
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If the web server detects that there is a directory matching the first
>>>>>>> part of the web host name (e.g. tamaya), then it redirects to
>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/tamaya.html (e.g.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think we should also review the .htaccess for the incubator. More tomorrow.
>>>>>
>>>>> Would you explain .htaccess comments like:
>>>>> # https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf?p=incubator-retired-pirk.git;a=blob;f=.htaccess;hb=refs/heads/asf-site
>>>>> # https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/sirona/site/.htaccess
>>>>
>>>> There was a TODO for the retired podling; I replaced it with details
>>>> of where the htaccess file is located.
>>>> (The redirect cannot be done in [1])
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Would .htaccess redirects like the following break anything?
>>>>> RedirectMatch Permanent ^/sirona(/.*)?$ http://incubator.apache.org/projects/sirona.html
>>>>
>>>> Redirects would not work.
>>>>
>>>> Or rather, they would only apply to http(s)://incubator.apache.org/sirona/*
>>>>
>>>> I don't think that would do any harm, but the original website was
>>>> http(s)://sirona.apache.org/ so they would not be particularly useful.
>>>>
>>>>> If possible I think that the whole set of graduated and retired .htaccess could be generated.
>>>>
>>>> Not sure it's worth the effort of coding, testing and maintaining such
>>>> a generator.
>>>>
>>>> Changes are not that frequent, and are pretty easy to do by reference
>>>> to an existing entry.
>>>>
>>>> In any case, I don't think there will be (m)any more changes to [1] --
>>>> podling redirects will have to be made elsewhere.
>>>>
>>>> When current podlings retire, the htaccess entry has to be made in the
>>>> podling website.
>>>>
>>>> However if Infra apply the PR, redirects can be enabled simply by
>>>> setting up the retired/<podling> marker directory.
>>>
>>> The PR has been applied, so it should now work.
>>>
>>>>> [1] https://raw.githubusercontent.com/apache/incubator/master/assets/.htaccess
>>>>>
>>>>> All The Best,
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Simples.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sebb.
>>>>>>> P.S. Attic works in a similar way, but adds a banner instead of redirecting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: Redirecting retired podling websites
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On Sat, 3 Apr 2021 at 23:43, Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 3, 2021, at 3:38 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 31 Mar 2021 at 22:28, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, 31 Mar 2021 at 17:48, Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Sebb,
> >>>
> >>> I noticed you did a lot of updates to .htaccess [1] - I have some inline questions.
> >>>
> >>>> On Mar 30, 2021, at 4:31 PM, Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Sebb,
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Mar 30, 2021, at 4:22 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It's currently quite awkward fixing up retired podling websites so
> >>>>> they redirect to the status page.
> >>>>> There are currently about 6 such podlings, dating back to Nov 2013.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [It's easy enough to do this for incubator sub-sites (e.g.
> >>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/wave), as these can use a single .htaccess
> >>>>> file; that is not the case for the above sites otherwise they would
> >>>>> have been fixed ages ago]
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Recent podlings use websites like http://ariatosca.apache.org/ and/or
> >>>>> http://ariatosca.incubator.apache.org/
> >>>>> The redirects need to be added in each website source.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This can be difficult to do, see INFRA-21451 re Tamaya.
> >>>>> This was opened on Feb 21st and has yet to be completed.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have proposed an Infra PR which should make it much easier to set up
> >>>>> the redirect to the status file.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The idea is to set up a special directory:
> >>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/retired/
> >>>>>
> >>>>> For each retired podling, create a marker directory, e.g.
> >>>>> tamaya/
> >>>>
> >>>> I can add a step in the clutch2.sh shell script to maintain these placeholders.
> >>>
> >>> Do you still need retired/${podling} marker directories?
> >>
> >> Not yet.
> >>
> >> Infra have not yet applied the PR, so the marker directories won't
> >> have any effect yet.
> >
> > The PR has now been applied.
>
> So, please review https://incubator.apache.org/podlings_retired.txt
No idea what that file has to do with this thread, or what you expect
me to review.
> If create a retired/$col1 directory on the website the trouble will resolve?
Try creating retired/tamaya/ and see what happens to http://tamaya.apache.org/
It should redirect to http://incubator.apache.org/projects/tamaya.html
N.B. this only needs to be done for retired podlings whose URLs don't
already redirect.
There are only about 6 of those, see:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-262
> I want to make sure I'm picking the podling attribute you expect.
The directory name under retired/ must be the same as the unqualified
host name for the podling website.
i.e. tamaya for tamaya.apache.org or tamaya.incubator.apache.org
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> >
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If the web server detects that there is a directory matching the first
> >>>>> part of the web host name (e.g. tamaya), then it redirects to
> >>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/tamaya.html (e.g.)
> >>>>
> >>>> I think we should also review the .htaccess for the incubator. More tomorrow.
> >>>
> >>> Would you explain .htaccess comments like:
> >>> # https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf?p=incubator-retired-pirk.git;a=blob;f=.htaccess;hb=refs/heads/asf-site
> >>> # https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/sirona/site/.htaccess
> >>
> >> There was a TODO for the retired podling; I replaced it with details
> >> of where the htaccess file is located.
> >> (The redirect cannot be done in [1])
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Would .htaccess redirects like the following break anything?
> >>> RedirectMatch Permanent ^/sirona(/.*)?$ http://incubator.apache.org/projects/sirona.html
> >>
> >> Redirects would not work.
> >>
> >> Or rather, they would only apply to http(s)://incubator.apache.org/sirona/*
> >>
> >> I don't think that would do any harm, but the original website was
> >> http(s)://sirona.apache.org/ so they would not be particularly useful.
> >>
> >>> If possible I think that the whole set of graduated and retired .htaccess could be generated.
> >>
> >> Not sure it's worth the effort of coding, testing and maintaining such
> >> a generator.
> >>
> >> Changes are not that frequent, and are pretty easy to do by reference
> >> to an existing entry.
> >>
> >> In any case, I don't think there will be (m)any more changes to [1] --
> >> podling redirects will have to be made elsewhere.
> >>
> >> When current podlings retire, the htaccess entry has to be made in the
> >> podling website.
> >>
> >> However if Infra apply the PR, redirects can be enabled simply by
> >> setting up the retired/<podling> marker directory.
> >
> > The PR has been applied, so it should now work.
> >
> >>> [1] https://raw.githubusercontent.com/apache/incubator/master/assets/.htaccess
> >>>
> >>> All The Best,
> >>> Dave
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> Dave
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Simples.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sebb.
> >>>>> P.S. Attic works in a similar way, but adds a banner instead of redirecting.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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> >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
> >>>>
> >>>
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Re: Redirecting retired podling websites
Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>.
> On Apr 3, 2021, at 3:38 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 31 Mar 2021 at 22:28, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 31 Mar 2021 at 17:48, Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Sebb,
>>>
>>> I noticed you did a lot of updates to .htaccess [1] - I have some inline questions.
>>>
>>>> On Mar 30, 2021, at 4:31 PM, Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Sebb,
>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 30, 2021, at 4:22 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It's currently quite awkward fixing up retired podling websites so
>>>>> they redirect to the status page.
>>>>> There are currently about 6 such podlings, dating back to Nov 2013.
>>>>>
>>>>> [It's easy enough to do this for incubator sub-sites (e.g.
>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/wave), as these can use a single .htaccess
>>>>> file; that is not the case for the above sites otherwise they would
>>>>> have been fixed ages ago]
>>>>>
>>>>> Recent podlings use websites like http://ariatosca.apache.org/ and/or
>>>>> http://ariatosca.incubator.apache.org/
>>>>> The redirects need to be added in each website source.
>>>>>
>>>>> This can be difficult to do, see INFRA-21451 re Tamaya.
>>>>> This was opened on Feb 21st and has yet to be completed.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have proposed an Infra PR which should make it much easier to set up
>>>>> the redirect to the status file.
>>>>>
>>>>> The idea is to set up a special directory:
>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/retired/
>>>>>
>>>>> For each retired podling, create a marker directory, e.g.
>>>>> tamaya/
>>>>
>>>> I can add a step in the clutch2.sh shell script to maintain these placeholders.
>>>
>>> Do you still need retired/${podling} marker directories?
>>
>> Not yet.
>>
>> Infra have not yet applied the PR, so the marker directories won't
>> have any effect yet.
>
> The PR has now been applied.
So, please review https://incubator.apache.org/podlings_retired.txt
If create a retired/$col1 directory on the website the trouble will resolve?
I want to make sure I'm picking the podling attribute you expect.
Regards,
Dave
>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If the web server detects that there is a directory matching the first
>>>>> part of the web host name (e.g. tamaya), then it redirects to
>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/tamaya.html (e.g.)
>>>>
>>>> I think we should also review the .htaccess for the incubator. More tomorrow.
>>>
>>> Would you explain .htaccess comments like:
>>> # https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf?p=incubator-retired-pirk.git;a=blob;f=.htaccess;hb=refs/heads/asf-site
>>> # https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/sirona/site/.htaccess
>>
>> There was a TODO for the retired podling; I replaced it with details
>> of where the htaccess file is located.
>> (The redirect cannot be done in [1])
>>
>>>
>>> Would .htaccess redirects like the following break anything?
>>> RedirectMatch Permanent ^/sirona(/.*)?$ http://incubator.apache.org/projects/sirona.html
>>
>> Redirects would not work.
>>
>> Or rather, they would only apply to http(s)://incubator.apache.org/sirona/*
>>
>> I don't think that would do any harm, but the original website was
>> http(s)://sirona.apache.org/ so they would not be particularly useful.
>>
>>> If possible I think that the whole set of graduated and retired .htaccess could be generated.
>>
>> Not sure it's worth the effort of coding, testing and maintaining such
>> a generator.
>>
>> Changes are not that frequent, and are pretty easy to do by reference
>> to an existing entry.
>>
>> In any case, I don't think there will be (m)any more changes to [1] --
>> podling redirects will have to be made elsewhere.
>>
>> When current podlings retire, the htaccess entry has to be made in the
>> podling website.
>>
>> However if Infra apply the PR, redirects can be enabled simply by
>> setting up the retired/<podling> marker directory.
>
> The PR has been applied, so it should now work.
>
>>> [1] https://raw.githubusercontent.com/apache/incubator/master/assets/.htaccess
>>>
>>> All The Best,
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Simples.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sebb.
>>>>> P.S. Attic works in a similar way, but adds a banner instead of redirecting.
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: Redirecting retired podling websites
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, 31 Mar 2021 at 22:28, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 31 Mar 2021 at 17:48, Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Sebb,
> >
> > I noticed you did a lot of updates to .htaccess [1] - I have some inline questions.
> >
> > > On Mar 30, 2021, at 4:31 PM, Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Sebb,
> > >
> > >> On Mar 30, 2021, at 4:22 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> It's currently quite awkward fixing up retired podling websites so
> > >> they redirect to the status page.
> > >> There are currently about 6 such podlings, dating back to Nov 2013.
> > >>
> > >> [It's easy enough to do this for incubator sub-sites (e.g.
> > >> http://incubator.apache.org/wave), as these can use a single .htaccess
> > >> file; that is not the case for the above sites otherwise they would
> > >> have been fixed ages ago]
> > >>
> > >> Recent podlings use websites like http://ariatosca.apache.org/ and/or
> > >> http://ariatosca.incubator.apache.org/
> > >> The redirects need to be added in each website source.
> > >>
> > >> This can be difficult to do, see INFRA-21451 re Tamaya.
> > >> This was opened on Feb 21st and has yet to be completed.
> > >>
> > >> I have proposed an Infra PR which should make it much easier to set up
> > >> the redirect to the status file.
> > >>
> > >> The idea is to set up a special directory:
> > >> http://incubator.apache.org/retired/
> > >>
> > >> For each retired podling, create a marker directory, e.g.
> > >> tamaya/
> > >
> > > I can add a step in the clutch2.sh shell script to maintain these placeholders.
> >
> > Do you still need retired/${podling} marker directories?
>
> Not yet.
>
> Infra have not yet applied the PR, so the marker directories won't
> have any effect yet.
The PR has now been applied.
> > >
> > >>
> > >> If the web server detects that there is a directory matching the first
> > >> part of the web host name (e.g. tamaya), then it redirects to
> > >> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/tamaya.html (e.g.)
> > >
> > > I think we should also review the .htaccess for the incubator. More tomorrow.
> >
> > Would you explain .htaccess comments like:
> > # https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf?p=incubator-retired-pirk.git;a=blob;f=.htaccess;hb=refs/heads/asf-site
> > # https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/sirona/site/.htaccess
>
> There was a TODO for the retired podling; I replaced it with details
> of where the htaccess file is located.
> (The redirect cannot be done in [1])
>
> >
> > Would .htaccess redirects like the following break anything?
> > RedirectMatch Permanent ^/sirona(/.*)?$ http://incubator.apache.org/projects/sirona.html
>
> Redirects would not work.
>
> Or rather, they would only apply to http(s)://incubator.apache.org/sirona/*
>
> I don't think that would do any harm, but the original website was
> http(s)://sirona.apache.org/ so they would not be particularly useful.
>
> > If possible I think that the whole set of graduated and retired .htaccess could be generated.
>
> Not sure it's worth the effort of coding, testing and maintaining such
> a generator.
>
> Changes are not that frequent, and are pretty easy to do by reference
> to an existing entry.
>
> In any case, I don't think there will be (m)any more changes to [1] --
> podling redirects will have to be made elsewhere.
>
> When current podlings retire, the htaccess entry has to be made in the
> podling website.
>
> However if Infra apply the PR, redirects can be enabled simply by
> setting up the retired/<podling> marker directory.
The PR has been applied, so it should now work.
> > [1] https://raw.githubusercontent.com/apache/incubator/master/assets/.htaccess
> >
> > All The Best,
> > Dave
> >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Dave
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Simples.
> > >>
> > >> Sebb.
> > >> P.S. Attic works in a similar way, but adds a banner instead of redirecting.
> > >>
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Re: Redirecting retired podling websites
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, 31 Mar 2021 at 17:48, Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Sebb,
>
> I noticed you did a lot of updates to .htaccess [1] - I have some inline questions.
>
> > On Mar 30, 2021, at 4:31 PM, Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Sebb,
> >
> >> On Mar 30, 2021, at 4:22 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> It's currently quite awkward fixing up retired podling websites so
> >> they redirect to the status page.
> >> There are currently about 6 such podlings, dating back to Nov 2013.
> >>
> >> [It's easy enough to do this for incubator sub-sites (e.g.
> >> http://incubator.apache.org/wave), as these can use a single .htaccess
> >> file; that is not the case for the above sites otherwise they would
> >> have been fixed ages ago]
> >>
> >> Recent podlings use websites like http://ariatosca.apache.org/ and/or
> >> http://ariatosca.incubator.apache.org/
> >> The redirects need to be added in each website source.
> >>
> >> This can be difficult to do, see INFRA-21451 re Tamaya.
> >> This was opened on Feb 21st and has yet to be completed.
> >>
> >> I have proposed an Infra PR which should make it much easier to set up
> >> the redirect to the status file.
> >>
> >> The idea is to set up a special directory:
> >> http://incubator.apache.org/retired/
> >>
> >> For each retired podling, create a marker directory, e.g.
> >> tamaya/
> >
> > I can add a step in the clutch2.sh shell script to maintain these placeholders.
>
> Do you still need retired/${podling} marker directories?
Not yet.
Infra have not yet applied the PR, so the marker directories won't
have any effect yet.
> >
> >>
> >> If the web server detects that there is a directory matching the first
> >> part of the web host name (e.g. tamaya), then it redirects to
> >> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/tamaya.html (e.g.)
> >
> > I think we should also review the .htaccess for the incubator. More tomorrow.
>
> Would you explain .htaccess comments like:
> # https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf?p=incubator-retired-pirk.git;a=blob;f=.htaccess;hb=refs/heads/asf-site
> # https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/sirona/site/.htaccess
There was a TODO for the retired podling; I replaced it with details
of where the htaccess file is located.
(The redirect cannot be done in [1])
>
> Would .htaccess redirects like the following break anything?
> RedirectMatch Permanent ^/sirona(/.*)?$ http://incubator.apache.org/projects/sirona.html
Redirects would not work.
Or rather, they would only apply to http(s)://incubator.apache.org/sirona/*
I don't think that would do any harm, but the original website was
http(s)://sirona.apache.org/ so they would not be particularly useful.
> If possible I think that the whole set of graduated and retired .htaccess could be generated.
Not sure it's worth the effort of coding, testing and maintaining such
a generator.
Changes are not that frequent, and are pretty easy to do by reference
to an existing entry.
In any case, I don't think there will be (m)any more changes to [1] --
podling redirects will have to be made elsewhere.
When current podlings retire, the htaccess entry has to be made in the
podling website.
However if Infra apply the PR, redirects can be enabled simply by
setting up the retired/<podling> marker directory.
> [1] https://raw.githubusercontent.com/apache/incubator/master/assets/.htaccess
>
> All The Best,
> Dave
>
> >
> > Regards,
> > Dave
> >
> >>
> >> Simples.
> >>
> >> Sebb.
> >> P.S. Attic works in a similar way, but adds a banner instead of redirecting.
> >>
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Re: Redirecting retired podling websites
Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>.
Hi Sebb,
I noticed you did a lot of updates to .htaccess [1] - I have some inline questions.
> On Mar 30, 2021, at 4:31 PM, Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Sebb,
>
>> On Mar 30, 2021, at 4:22 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> It's currently quite awkward fixing up retired podling websites so
>> they redirect to the status page.
>> There are currently about 6 such podlings, dating back to Nov 2013.
>>
>> [It's easy enough to do this for incubator sub-sites (e.g.
>> http://incubator.apache.org/wave), as these can use a single .htaccess
>> file; that is not the case for the above sites otherwise they would
>> have been fixed ages ago]
>>
>> Recent podlings use websites like http://ariatosca.apache.org/ and/or
>> http://ariatosca.incubator.apache.org/
>> The redirects need to be added in each website source.
>>
>> This can be difficult to do, see INFRA-21451 re Tamaya.
>> This was opened on Feb 21st and has yet to be completed.
>>
>> I have proposed an Infra PR which should make it much easier to set up
>> the redirect to the status file.
>>
>> The idea is to set up a special directory:
>> http://incubator.apache.org/retired/
>>
>> For each retired podling, create a marker directory, e.g.
>> tamaya/
>
> I can add a step in the clutch2.sh shell script to maintain these placeholders.
Do you still need retired/${podling} marker directories?
>
>>
>> If the web server detects that there is a directory matching the first
>> part of the web host name (e.g. tamaya), then it redirects to
>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/tamaya.html (e.g.)
>
> I think we should also review the .htaccess for the incubator. More tomorrow.
Would you explain .htaccess comments like:
# https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf?p=incubator-retired-pirk.git;a=blob;f=.htaccess;hb=refs/heads/asf-site
# https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/sirona/site/.htaccess
Would .htaccess redirects like the following break anything?
RedirectMatch Permanent ^/sirona(/.*)?$ http://incubator.apache.org/projects/sirona.html
If possible I think that the whole set of graduated and retired .htaccess could be generated.
[1] https://raw.githubusercontent.com/apache/incubator/master/assets/.htaccess
All The Best,
Dave
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
>>
>> Simples.
>>
>> Sebb.
>> P.S. Attic works in a similar way, but adds a banner instead of redirecting.
>>
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Re: Redirecting retired podling websites
Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>.
Hi Sebb,
> On Mar 30, 2021, at 4:22 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> It's currently quite awkward fixing up retired podling websites so
> they redirect to the status page.
> There are currently about 6 such podlings, dating back to Nov 2013.
>
> [It's easy enough to do this for incubator sub-sites (e.g.
> http://incubator.apache.org/wave), as these can use a single .htaccess
> file; that is not the case for the above sites otherwise they would
> have been fixed ages ago]
>
> Recent podlings use websites like http://ariatosca.apache.org/ and/or
> http://ariatosca.incubator.apache.org/
> The redirects need to be added in each website source.
>
> This can be difficult to do, see INFRA-21451 re Tamaya.
> This was opened on Feb 21st and has yet to be completed.
>
> I have proposed an Infra PR which should make it much easier to set up
> the redirect to the status file.
>
> The idea is to set up a special directory:
> http://incubator.apache.org/retired/
>
> For each retired podling, create a marker directory, e.g.
> tamaya/
I can add a step in the clutch2.sh shell script to maintain these placeholders.
>
> If the web server detects that there is a directory matching the first
> part of the web host name (e.g. tamaya), then it redirects to
> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/tamaya.html (e.g.)
I think we should also review the .htaccess for the incubator. More tomorrow.
Regards,
Dave
>
> Simples.
>
> Sebb.
> P.S. Attic works in a similar way, but adds a banner instead of redirecting.
>
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