using cling

[Jason van Zyl <jv...@maven.org>]

John,

I was wondering if Cling would work for Maven? I'm trimming things down
and preparing to make a simple way for users to download/upgrade m2 and
was wondering if Cling would help there, or could help. I would at least
like to use the CLI descriptor to hook into Maven. Cling looks really
neat, I never delved in until a few minutes ago :-)

-- 
jvz.

Jason van Zyl
jason@maven.org
http://maven.apache.org

happiness is like a butterfly: the more you chase it, the more it will
elude you, but if you turn your attention to other things, it will come
and sit softly on your shoulder ...

 -- Thoreau 

Re: using cling

[Jason van Zyl <jv...@maven.org>]

On Mon, 2004-12-06 at 20:10, Jason van Zyl wrote:
> On Mon, 2004-12-06 at 19:52, John Casey wrote:
> > yeah, I was thinking of suggesting it's use here. I think it'd make a 
> > pretty natural way of starting m2, although we might consider removing 
> > marmalade and ognl to lighten the load...right now, cling requires:
> 
> It would definitely be cool to just have a generated cling model reader
> and then use the rest of the stuff you have there. What you're thinking
> is exactly what I'm thinking. I just removed OGNL from the core so I
> think what you have with cling would be perfect.
> 
> You want to trim down cling and try to wire it in? Then we can remove
> commons-cli which I would like.

I'll add to this: I want to make something that could be incorporated
into which would not only allow m2 to run from a repository but allow
upgrading pieces of the distribution easily. Maybe the POM could just be
distributed with the app and then have another descriptor for things
like startup scripts and other configuration bits like our
classworlds.conf.

I want to prepare to roll out the alpha-1 of m2 but I want to let people
bring it down once and that's it. There has to be a way to make this
simple and safe.

I'm on a bit of a bent but if we remove commons-cli, combined with what
Trygve is doing with Plexus we'll be down to a 400k distribtution which
just makes this whole process easier because we have so few artifacts to
deal with.

-- 
jvz.

Jason van Zyl
jason@maven.org
http://maven.apache.org

happiness is like a butterfly: the more you chase it, the more it will
elude you, but if you turn your attention to other things, it will come
and sit softly on your shoulder ...

 -- Thoreau 

Re: using cling

[Jason van Zyl <jv...@maven.org>]

On Mon, 2004-12-06 at 19:52, John Casey wrote:
> yeah, I was thinking of suggesting it's use here. I think it'd make a 
> pretty natural way of starting m2, although we might consider removing 
> marmalade and ognl to lighten the load...right now, cling requires:

It would definitely be cool to just have a generated cling model reader
and then use the rest of the stuff you have there. What you're thinking
is exactly what I'm thinking. I just removed OGNL from the core so I
think what you have with cling would be perfect.

You want to trim down cling and try to wire it in? Then we can remove
commons-cli which I would like.

> classworlds
> marmalade
> marmalade-el-ognl
> ognl
> xpp3
> plexus-container-api
> plexus-container-default
> maven-artifact
> maven-wagon-api
> maven-wagon-providers-http (etc.)
> 
> I think we could at least knock that list down to 6 items if we removed 
> marmalade, and maybe remove ognl too if we use a different 
> property-setting strategy.
> 
> cheers,
> 
> j
> 
> Jason van Zyl wrote:
> > John,
> > 
> > I was wondering if Cling would work for Maven? I'm trimming things down
> > and preparing to make a simple way for users to download/upgrade m2 and
> > was wondering if Cling would help there, or could help. I would at least
> > like to use the CLI descriptor to hook into Maven. Cling looks really
> > neat, I never delved in until a few minutes ago :-)
> > 

-- 
jvz.

Jason van Zyl
jason@maven.org
http://maven.apache.org

happiness is like a butterfly: the more you chase it, the more it will
elude you, but if you turn your attention to other things, it will come
and sit softly on your shoulder ...

 -- Thoreau 

Re: using cling

[John Casey <jd...@commonjava.org>]

yeah, I was thinking of suggesting it's use here. I think it'd make a 
pretty natural way of starting m2, although we might consider removing 
marmalade and ognl to lighten the load...right now, cling requires:

classworlds
marmalade
marmalade-el-ognl
ognl
xpp3
plexus-container-api
plexus-container-default
maven-artifact
maven-wagon-api
maven-wagon-providers-http (etc.)

I think we could at least knock that list down to 6 items if we removed 
marmalade, and maybe remove ognl too if we use a different 
property-setting strategy.

cheers,

j

Jason van Zyl wrote:
> John,
> 
> I was wondering if Cling would work for Maven? I'm trimming things down
> and preparing to make a simple way for users to download/upgrade m2 and
> was wondering if Cling would help there, or could help. I would at least
> like to use the CLI descriptor to hook into Maven. Cling looks really
> neat, I never delved in until a few minutes ago :-)
>