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Posted to dev@cloudstack.apache.org by Wido den Hollander <wi...@widodh.nl> on 2014/05/28 23:08:45 UTC
Re: [PROPOSAL] - Change Primary IP Address
On 05/28/2014 04:36 PM, Alex Hitchins wrote:
> All, I'd like to submit the below proposal. This can also be found here :
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/New+API+call+to+chang
> e+Primary+IP+address+after+VM+creation+in+Advanced+Zones
>
> I've started looking into this project although before anything is written
> I'd like community thoughts and feedback.
>
Why only Advanced? I think this feature would benefit Basic Zone
networks as well.
I know that a lot of public cloud offerings use the Basic Zone
networking and would love to see this feature.
Wido
> ----
>
> Subject: New API call to change Primary IP address after VM creation in
> Advanced Zones.
>
> Background: Currently the only way to change the IP address (via the API) is
> to drop a NIC attached to the VM and then add a new NIC with the desired new
> IP address. The process is as follows:
>
> 1. Add Temp NIC
> 2. Make Temp NIC default
> 3. Remove original NIC
> 4. Add NIC on same network as NIC removed in step 3, specifying IP as you
> add it 5. Make newly added NIC default 6. Remove Temp NIC
>
> This process works however it will mean the VM will see a new MAC address
> which could mean additional configuration is required.
>
> The existing API calls (removeIPFromNic & addIpToNic) only allow the user to
> modify the secondary IP addresses. This proposal is to create a new API call
> allowing the user to reset the IP address without the need to remove and add
> a new NIC.
>
> Requirements:
>
> 1. Add a new API call under the NIC section for root & admin users, allowing
> them to specify a new IP address for a given NIC e.g. amendIpToNic ( int
> nicId, string oldIpAddress, string newIpAddress )
> 2. The system should check to ensure the new IP address that is being
> applied isn't already in use on the network.
> 3. The API call on success will require the virtual machine to be restarted
> for DHCP to be refreshed.
> 4. The functionality should apply to Advanced Zones.
>
> Comments:
>
> While we will perform a cursory check to see that the IP address isn't
> already in use, no other checks will be made. It will still be up to the
> domain administrator to manage IP allocation.
>
>
>
>
>
> Alex Hitchins
> ------------------------------
> E: alex@alexhitchins.com
> W: alexhitchins.com
> M: 07788 423 969
> T: 01892 523 587
>
>
Re: [PROPOSAL] - Change Primary IP Address
Posted by Chiradeep Vittal <Ch...@citrix.com>.
Although it appears to be trivial, you have to take care of PF and LB rules that might already exist to the old IP.
From: Chiradeep Vittal <ch...@citrix.com>>
Reply-To: "dev@cloudstack.apache.org<ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>" <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>>
Date: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 at 9:27 PM
To: "dev@cloudstack.apache.org<ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>" <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>>
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] - Change Primary IP Address
Curious: What is the reason to change the primary IP? Quite un-cloudy.
@Wido: changing the IP in basic zone is quite involved, not just changing a dnsmasq entry.
From: Wido den Hollander <wi...@widodh.nl>>
Reply-To: "dev@cloudstack.apache.org<ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>" <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>>
Date: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 at 2:08 PM
To: "dev@cloudstack.apache.org<ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>" <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>>
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] - Change Primary IP Address
On 05/28/2014 04:36 PM, Alex Hitchins wrote:
All, I'd like to submit the below proposal. This can also be found here :
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/New+API+call+to+chang
e+Primary+IP+address+after+VM+creation+in+Advanced+Zones
I've started looking into this project although before anything is written
I'd like community thoughts and feedback.
Why only Advanced? I think this feature would benefit Basic Zone
networks as well.
I know that a lot of public cloud offerings use the Basic Zone
networking and would love to see this feature.
Wido
----
Subject: New API call to change Primary IP address after VM creation in
Advanced Zones.
Background: Currently the only way to change the IP address (via the API) is
to drop a NIC attached to the VM and then add a new NIC with the desired new
IP address. The process is as follows:
1. Add Temp NIC
2. Make Temp NIC default
3. Remove original NIC
4. Add NIC on same network as NIC removed in step 3, specifying IP as you
add it 5. Make newly added NIC default 6. Remove Temp NIC
This process works however it will mean the VM will see a new MAC address
which could mean additional configuration is required.
The existing API calls (removeIPFromNic & addIpToNic) only allow the user to
modify the secondary IP addresses. This proposal is to create a new API call
allowing the user to reset the IP address without the need to remove and add
a new NIC.
Requirements:
1. Add a new API call under the NIC section for root & admin users, allowing
them to specify a new IP address for a given NIC e.g. amendIpToNic ( int
nicId, string oldIpAddress, string newIpAddress )
2. The system should check to ensure the new IP address that is being
applied isn't already in use on the network.
3. The API call on success will require the virtual machine to be restarted
for DHCP to be refreshed.
4. The functionality should apply to Advanced Zones.
Comments:
While we will perform a cursory check to see that the IP address isn't
already in use, no other checks will be made. It will still be up to the
domain administrator to manage IP allocation.
Alex Hitchins
------------------------------
E: alex@alexhitchins.com<ma...@alexhitchins.com>
W: alexhitchins.com
M: 07788 423 969
T: 01892 523 587
RE: [PROPOSAL] - Change Primary IP Address
Posted by Paul Angus <pa...@shapeblue.com>.
(slightly biased) +1
I see very few 'purist cloud' implementations. At best they are a mix.
And the only way to enable organisations to make the transition to 'cloud' using CloudStack is to enable them to migrate their workloads;
Traditional without CloudStack -> traditional with CloudStack -> mix of traditional and cloudy (PoCs etc) -> mix of traditional and cloudy production -> cloudy production on CloudStack
Most organisations are unlikely to reach the purist cloud infra because of legacy applications.
Regards,
Paul Angus
Cloud Architect
S: +44 20 3603 0540 | M: +447711418784 | T: @CloudyAngus
paul.angus@shapeblue.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Geoff Higginbottom [mailto:geoff.higginbottom@shapeblue.com]
Sent: 29 May 2014 17:09
To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] - Change Primary IP Address
CloudStack supports 'cloud' workloads and 'enterprise' workloads as has been highlighted numerous times recently in e-mails comparing CloudStack to OpenStack.
Yes 'cloudy' workloads should not need this, but enterprise workloads most definitely do.
This is something which regularly comes up on the user lists
Regards
Geoff Higginbottom
D: +44 20 3603 0542 | S: +44 20 3603 0540 | M: +447968161581
geoff.higginbottom@shapeblue.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Chiradeep Vittal [mailto:Chiradeep.Vittal@citrix.com]
Sent: 29 May 2014 05:27
To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] - Change Primary IP Address
Curious: What is the reason to change the primary IP? Quite un-cloudy.
@Wido: changing the IP in basic zone is quite involved, not just changing a dnsmasq entry.
From: Wido den Hollander <wi...@widodh.nl>>
Reply-To: "dev@cloudstack.apache.org<ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>" <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>>
Date: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 at 2:08 PM
To: "dev@cloudstack.apache.org<ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>" <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>>
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] - Change Primary IP Address
On 05/28/2014 04:36 PM, Alex Hitchins wrote:
All, I'd like to submit the below proposal. This can also be found here :
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/New+API+call+to+chang
e+Primary+IP+address+after+VM+creation+in+Advanced+Zones
I've started looking into this project although before anything is written I'd like community thoughts and feedback.
Why only Advanced? I think this feature would benefit Basic Zone networks as well.
I know that a lot of public cloud offerings use the Basic Zone networking and would love to see this feature.
Wido
----
Subject: New API call to change Primary IP address after VM creation in Advanced Zones.
Background: Currently the only way to change the IP address (via the API) is to drop a NIC attached to the VM and then add a new NIC with the desired new IP address. The process is as follows:
1. Add Temp NIC
2. Make Temp NIC default
3. Remove original NIC
4. Add NIC on same network as NIC removed in step 3, specifying IP as you add it 5. Make newly added NIC default 6. Remove Temp NIC
This process works however it will mean the VM will see a new MAC address which could mean additional configuration is required.
The existing API calls (removeIPFromNic & addIpToNic) only allow the user to modify the secondary IP addresses. This proposal is to create a new API call allowing the user to reset the IP address without the need to remove and add a new NIC.
Requirements:
1. Add a new API call under the NIC section for root & admin users, allowing them to specify a new IP address for a given NIC e.g. amendIpToNic ( int nicId, string oldIpAddress, string newIpAddress ) 2. The system should check to ensure the new IP address that is being applied isn't already in use on the network.
3. The API call on success will require the virtual machine to be restarted for DHCP to be refreshed.
4. The functionality should apply to Advanced Zones.
Comments:
While we will perform a cursory check to see that the IP address isn't already in use, no other checks will be made. It will still be up to the domain administrator to manage IP allocation.
Alex Hitchins
------------------------------
E: alex@alexhitchins.com<ma...@alexhitchins.com>
W: alexhitchins.com
M: 07788 423 969
T: 01892 523 587
Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services
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CloudStack Consulting<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/>
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CloudStack Consulting<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/>
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RE: [PROPOSAL] - Change Primary IP Address
Posted by Geoff Higginbottom <ge...@shapeblue.com>.
CloudStack supports 'cloud' workloads and 'enterprise' workloads as has been highlighted numerous times recently in e-mails comparing CloudStack to OpenStack.
Yes 'cloudy' workloads should not need this, but enterprise workloads most definitely do.
This is something which regularly comes up on the user lists
Regards
Geoff Higginbottom
D: +44 20 3603 0542 | S: +44 20 3603 0540 | M: +447968161581
geoff.higginbottom@shapeblue.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Chiradeep Vittal [mailto:Chiradeep.Vittal@citrix.com]
Sent: 29 May 2014 05:27
To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] - Change Primary IP Address
Curious: What is the reason to change the primary IP? Quite un-cloudy.
@Wido: changing the IP in basic zone is quite involved, not just changing a dnsmasq entry.
From: Wido den Hollander <wi...@widodh.nl>>
Reply-To: "dev@cloudstack.apache.org<ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>" <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>>
Date: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 at 2:08 PM
To: "dev@cloudstack.apache.org<ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>" <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>>
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] - Change Primary IP Address
On 05/28/2014 04:36 PM, Alex Hitchins wrote:
All, I'd like to submit the below proposal. This can also be found here :
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/New+API+call+to+chang
e+Primary+IP+address+after+VM+creation+in+Advanced+Zones
I've started looking into this project although before anything is written I'd like community thoughts and feedback.
Why only Advanced? I think this feature would benefit Basic Zone networks as well.
I know that a lot of public cloud offerings use the Basic Zone networking and would love to see this feature.
Wido
----
Subject: New API call to change Primary IP address after VM creation in Advanced Zones.
Background: Currently the only way to change the IP address (via the API) is to drop a NIC attached to the VM and then add a new NIC with the desired new IP address. The process is as follows:
1. Add Temp NIC
2. Make Temp NIC default
3. Remove original NIC
4. Add NIC on same network as NIC removed in step 3, specifying IP as you add it 5. Make newly added NIC default 6. Remove Temp NIC
This process works however it will mean the VM will see a new MAC address which could mean additional configuration is required.
The existing API calls (removeIPFromNic & addIpToNic) only allow the user to modify the secondary IP addresses. This proposal is to create a new API call allowing the user to reset the IP address without the need to remove and add a new NIC.
Requirements:
1. Add a new API call under the NIC section for root & admin users, allowing them to specify a new IP address for a given NIC e.g. amendIpToNic ( int nicId, string oldIpAddress, string newIpAddress ) 2. The system should check to ensure the new IP address that is being applied isn't already in use on the network.
3. The API call on success will require the virtual machine to be restarted for DHCP to be refreshed.
4. The functionality should apply to Advanced Zones.
Comments:
While we will perform a cursory check to see that the IP address isn't already in use, no other checks will be made. It will still be up to the domain administrator to manage IP allocation.
Alex Hitchins
------------------------------
E: alex@alexhitchins.com<ma...@alexhitchins.com>
W: alexhitchins.com
M: 07788 423 969
T: 01892 523 587
Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services
IaaS Cloud Design & Build<http://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build//>
CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment framework<http://shapeblue.com/csforge/>
CloudStack Consulting<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/>
CloudStack Infrastructure Support<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/>
CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courses<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/>
This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. Shape Blue Ltd is a company incorporated in England & Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is a company incorporated in India and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. Shape Blue Brasil Consultoria Ltda is a company incorporated in Brasil and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark.
Re: [PROPOSAL] - Change Primary IP Address
Posted by Chiradeep Vittal <Ch...@citrix.com>.
Curious: What is the reason to change the primary IP? Quite un-cloudy.
@Wido: changing the IP in basic zone is quite involved, not just changing a dnsmasq entry.
From: Wido den Hollander <wi...@widodh.nl>>
Reply-To: "dev@cloudstack.apache.org<ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>" <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>>
Date: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 at 2:08 PM
To: "dev@cloudstack.apache.org<ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>" <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>>
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] - Change Primary IP Address
On 05/28/2014 04:36 PM, Alex Hitchins wrote:
All, I'd like to submit the below proposal. This can also be found here :
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/New+API+call+to+chang
e+Primary+IP+address+after+VM+creation+in+Advanced+Zones
I've started looking into this project although before anything is written
I'd like community thoughts and feedback.
Why only Advanced? I think this feature would benefit Basic Zone
networks as well.
I know that a lot of public cloud offerings use the Basic Zone
networking and would love to see this feature.
Wido
----
Subject: New API call to change Primary IP address after VM creation in
Advanced Zones.
Background: Currently the only way to change the IP address (via the API) is
to drop a NIC attached to the VM and then add a new NIC with the desired new
IP address. The process is as follows:
1. Add Temp NIC
2. Make Temp NIC default
3. Remove original NIC
4. Add NIC on same network as NIC removed in step 3, specifying IP as you
add it 5. Make newly added NIC default 6. Remove Temp NIC
This process works however it will mean the VM will see a new MAC address
which could mean additional configuration is required.
The existing API calls (removeIPFromNic & addIpToNic) only allow the user to
modify the secondary IP addresses. This proposal is to create a new API call
allowing the user to reset the IP address without the need to remove and add
a new NIC.
Requirements:
1. Add a new API call under the NIC section for root & admin users, allowing
them to specify a new IP address for a given NIC e.g. amendIpToNic ( int
nicId, string oldIpAddress, string newIpAddress )
2. The system should check to ensure the new IP address that is being
applied isn't already in use on the network.
3. The API call on success will require the virtual machine to be restarted
for DHCP to be refreshed.
4. The functionality should apply to Advanced Zones.
Comments:
While we will perform a cursory check to see that the IP address isn't
already in use, no other checks will be made. It will still be up to the
domain administrator to manage IP allocation.
Alex Hitchins
------------------------------
E: alex@alexhitchins.com<ma...@alexhitchins.com>
W: alexhitchins.com
M: 07788 423 969
T: 01892 523 587
RE: [PROPOSAL] - Change Primary IP Address
Posted by Alex Hitchins <al...@alexhitchins.com>.
Wido,
It's something I'll look into over time however there are a few more
complexities to overcome with a basic zone. Once Advanced has been done
hopefully Basic will follow shortly behind.
Alex Hitchins | 07788 423 969 | 01892 523 587
-----Original Message-----
From: Wido den Hollander [mailto:wido@widodh.nl]
Sent: 28 May 2014 22:09
To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] - Change Primary IP Address
On 05/28/2014 04:36 PM, Alex Hitchins wrote:
> All, I'd like to submit the below proposal. This can also be found here :
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/New+API+call+to
> +chang
> e+Primary+IP+address+after+VM+creation+in+Advanced+Zones
>
> I've started looking into this project although before anything is
> written I'd like community thoughts and feedback.
>
Why only Advanced? I think this feature would benefit Basic Zone networks as
well.
I know that a lot of public cloud offerings use the Basic Zone networking
and would love to see this feature.
Wido
> ----
>
> Subject: New API call to change Primary IP address after VM creation
> in Advanced Zones.
>
> Background: Currently the only way to change the IP address (via the
> API) is to drop a NIC attached to the VM and then add a new NIC with
> the desired new IP address. The process is as follows:
>
> 1. Add Temp NIC
> 2. Make Temp NIC default
> 3. Remove original NIC
> 4. Add NIC on same network as NIC removed in step 3, specifying IP as
> you add it 5. Make newly added NIC default 6. Remove Temp NIC
>
> This process works however it will mean the VM will see a new MAC
> address which could mean additional configuration is required.
>
> The existing API calls (removeIPFromNic & addIpToNic) only allow the
> user to modify the secondary IP addresses. This proposal is to create
> a new API call allowing the user to reset the IP address without the
> need to remove and add a new NIC.
>
> Requirements:
>
> 1. Add a new API call under the NIC section for root & admin users,
> allowing them to specify a new IP address for a given NIC e.g.
> amendIpToNic ( int nicId, string oldIpAddress, string newIpAddress )
> 2. The system should check to ensure the new IP address that is being
> applied isn't already in use on the network.
> 3. The API call on success will require the virtual machine to be
> restarted for DHCP to be refreshed.
> 4. The functionality should apply to Advanced Zones.
>
> Comments:
>
> While we will perform a cursory check to see that the IP address isn't
> already in use, no other checks will be made. It will still be up to
> the domain administrator to manage IP allocation.
>
>
>
>
>
> Alex Hitchins
> ------------------------------
> E: alex@alexhitchins.com
> W: alexhitchins.com
> M: 07788 423 969
> T: 01892 523 587
>
>