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Spanish docu translations ?!
Hi there!
Why isn't there anyone supervising the translation projects?
It cannot be too difficult to establish translation groups for every
language.
Well, it would be quite easier to see if there is someone working on a
language or if the documentation hasn't been translated since two years
ago... see spanish docu... e.g. http://quark.fe.up.pt/ApachES/
Hope you understand my constructive critics.
Yours,
Fernando
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Re: Spanish docu translations ?!
Posted by Jani Mikkonen <ja...@mikkonen.org>.
André Malo wrote:
>* Jani Mikkonen <ja...@mikkonen.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>>>http://httpd.apache.org/docs-project/translations.html
>>>
>>>People just need to drop a note here if they want to be listed. I think,
>>>it's not really necessary to make that file dynamic, it doesn't change
>>>that often ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Lets compare that to:
>>http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gtp/status/gnome-2.6/
>>
>>I can understand that translation for gui stuff is more urgent than
>>documentation for apache documentation but as i closely follow gnome
>>development too, i think their approach is much more "enabling" for
>>those who really want to help and thus i see Fernando's suggestion quite
>>appropriate atleast in some levels.
>>
>>
>
>As far as I can see, translating or even contributing to the docs of an
>"administrator-like" software like Apache is just not attractive enough to
>get such a lot of people.
>
>nd
>
>
Yes, that why i pointed out (hopefully) that it might not allways be the
best idea. But if im thinking myself for example, i am (or was)
administrator and i've allways had some ideas that i could donate
something back to apache project but technical means are not enabling me
to do that. I'm quite busy keeping my daywork and family going so,
making things easy to do translations aint that bad thing. And even now,
there's people talking about that translations are not getting to the
public but are lost in some patches in the mailing list. That is not
very nice thing for those who haven taken the time and help out apache.
So my serious question is: Why hog all the work for people who are not
doing them ?
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Re: Spanish docu translations ?!
Posted by André Malo <nd...@perlig.de>.
* Jani Mikkonen <ja...@mikkonen.org> wrote:
>
> >http://httpd.apache.org/docs-project/translations.html
> >
> >People just need to drop a note here if they want to be listed. I think,
> >it's not really necessary to make that file dynamic, it doesn't change
> >that often ;-)
> >
> >
> Lets compare that to:
> http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gtp/status/gnome-2.6/
>
> I can understand that translation for gui stuff is more urgent than
> documentation for apache documentation but as i closely follow gnome
> development too, i think their approach is much more "enabling" for
> those who really want to help and thus i see Fernando's suggestion quite
> appropriate atleast in some levels.
As far as I can see, translating or even contributing to the docs of an
"administrator-like" software like Apache is just not attractive enough to
get such a lot of people.
nd
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Re: Spanish docu translations ?!
Posted by Jani Mikkonen <ja...@mikkonen.org>.
>http://httpd.apache.org/docs-project/translations.html
>
>People just need to drop a note here if they want to be listed. I think,
>it's not really necessary to make that file dynamic, it doesn't change that
>often ;-)
>
>
Lets compare that to:
http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gtp/status/gnome-2.6/
I can understand that translation for gui stuff is more urgent than
documentation for apache documentation but as i closely follow gnome
development too, i think their approach is much more "enabling" for
those who really want to help and thus i see Fernando's suggestion quite
appropriate atleast in some levels.
--
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(o o)
----ooO-(_)-Ooo----
Jani Mikkonen
jani@mikkonen.org
Re: Spanish docu translations ?!
Posted by André Malo <nd...@perlig.de>.
* Fernando Antolin <fe...@web.de> wrote:
> I was talking about creating a supervisor page so that a newcomer can
> easily see whom he has to deal with and which pages are translated yet
> and which not. Well, if you look at the official spanish apache doc
> website, you would easily notify that this project isn't running any
> more. It's more or less dead.
>
> Isn't there any possibility to establish an web interface for every
> language? Well, i'm sure it can be realized with only one simple php and
> a small mysql or text database.
Oh there's already a small page listing translations we know of:
http://httpd.apache.org/docs-project/translations.html
People just need to drop a note here if they want to be listed. I think,
it's not really necessary to make that file dynamic, it doesn't change that
often ;-)
nd
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Re: Spanish docu translations ?!
Posted by Fernando Antolin <fe...@web.de>.
Hi André!
I was talking about creating a supervisor page so that a newcomer can
easily see whom he has to deal with and which pages are translated yet
and which not. Well, if you look at the official spanish apache doc
website, you would easily notify that this project isn't running any
more. It's more or less dead.
Isn't there any possibility to establish an web interface for every
language? Well, i'm sure it can be realized with only one simple php and
a small mysql or text database.
Yours,
Fernando
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André Malo escribió:
> * Fernando Antolin <fe...@web.de> wrote:
>>Why isn't there anyone supervising the translation projects?
>>It cannot be too difficult to establish translation groups for every
>>language.
> Everyone in the world can start translating if he wants. If he or she
> doesn't want to participate the docs project there's nothing we can do or
> even want to do. It's not our decision. If it's put back here -- good. If
> not, it's good as well. I see no reason to force someone...
>>Well, it would be quite easier to see if there is someone working on a
>>language or if the documentation hasn't been translated since two years
>>ago... see spanish docu... e.g. http://quark.fe.up.pt/ApachES/
>>Hope you understand my constructive critics.
> Sure. I'm just wondering, what's your actual suggestion now?
> nd
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Re: Spanish docu translations ?!
Posted by André Malo <nd...@perlig.de>.
* Fernando Antolin <fe...@web.de> wrote:
> Why isn't there anyone supervising the translation projects?
> It cannot be too difficult to establish translation groups for every
> language.
Everyone in the world can start translating if he wants. If he or she
doesn't want to participate the docs project there's nothing we can do or
even want to do. It's not our decision. If it's put back here -- good. If
not, it's good as well. I see no reason to force someone...
> Well, it would be quite easier to see if there is someone working on a
> language or if the documentation hasn't been translated since two years
> ago... see spanish docu... e.g. http://quark.fe.up.pt/ApachES/
> Hope you understand my constructive critics.
Sure. I'm just wondering, what's your actual suggestion now?
nd
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Re: Spanish Apache 2.0 docu translation submission
Posted by Blanco <bl...@bitrock.com>.
Hi,
I have backported the Apache 2.1 documentation we had already
translated. The differences are minimal. The files attached have the
<!-- English Revision x.y.z --> added. I hope I inserted it at the right
place :)
The files have been reviewed by Daniel Lopez.
The files attached are:
manual/install.xml.es
manual/invoking.xml.es
manual/stopping.xml.es
manual/mpm.xml.es
manual/filter.xml.es
manual/handler.xml.es
manual/glossary.xml.es
manual/sitemap.xml.es
Regards,
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Re: Spanish Apache 2.0 docu translation submission
Posted by André Malo <nd...@perlig.de>.
* Jesus Blanco <je...@supercable.es> wrote:
> I have backported the Apache 2.1 documentation we had already
> translated. The differences are minimal. The files attached have the
> <!-- English Revision x.y.z --> added. I hope I inserted it at the right
> place :)
As far as it's in one line, it's recognized everywhere. The earlier the
better (just a performance issue).
> The files have been reviewed by Daniel Lopez.
Committed. One more note: I've adjusted the copyright date to 2004
only, since your files are not from 2002 ;-)
Thanks.
nd
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Re: Spanish Apache 2.0 docu translation submission
Posted by Jesus Blanco <je...@supercable.es>.
Hi,
I have backported the Apache 2.1 documentation we had already
translated. The differences are minimal. The files attached have the
<!-- English Revision x.y.z --> added. I hope I inserted it at the right
place :)
The files have been reviewed by Daniel Lopez.
The files attached are:
manual/install.xml.es
manual/invoking.xml.es
manual/stopping.xml.es
manual/mpm.xml.es
manual/filter.xml.es
manual/handler.xml.es
manual/glossary.xml.es
manual/sitemap.xml.es
Regards,
--
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Product Manager
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Spanish Apache 2.0 docu translation submission
Posted by Blanco <bl...@bitrock.com>.
Oooops! Sorry, I sent three times the same thing to the mailing list.
The files attached are exactly the same in the three mails.
Regards,
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Re: Spanish Apache 2.0 docu translation submission
Posted by Blanco <bl...@bitrock.com>.
Hi,
I have backported the Apache 2.1 documentation we had already
translated. The differences are minimal. The files attached have the
<!-- English Revision x.y.z --> line added. I hope I inserted it at the right
place :)
The files have been reviewed by Daniel Lopez.
The files attached are:
manual/install.xml.es
manual/invoking.xml.es
manual/stopping.xml.es
manual/mpm.xml.es
manual/filter.xml.es
manual/handler.xml.es
manual/glossary.xml.es
manual/sitemap.xml.es
Regards,
--
Jesus Blanco www.bitrock.com
Product Manager
e: blanco @ bitrock.com t: +34 669 23 43 57 f: +34 954 502 697
Re: Spanish docu translation submission
Posted by André Malo <nd...@perlig.de>.
* Daniel Lopez <da...@rawbyte.com> wrote:
> > Thank you folks again. Committed.
> >
> > Just to say again, you're currently translating the docs of the 2.1
> > developer version. So far your submissions will not appear in 2.0.x
> > versions (except for es.xml and manual.es.xsl). You would need to checkout
> > the APACHE_2_0_BRANCH for backports.
> > If you need further explanations and/or help, please just ask.
>
> Yes, we are working on that, the differences are minimal, Jesus should be
> mailing those soon. Do you prefer patches against 2.1 or the full files?
Cool. I just wanted to make sure, that it was clear :)
Full files are better, however.
nd
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Re: Spanish docu translation submission
Posted by Daniel Lopez <da...@rawbyte.com>.
> Thank you folks again. Committed.
>
> Just to say again, you're currently translating the docs of the 2.1 developer
> version. So far your submissions will not appear in 2.0.x versions (except
> for es.xml and manual.es.xsl). You would need to checkout the
> APACHE_2_0_BRANCH for backports.
> If you need further explanations and/or help, please just ask.
Yes, we are working on that, the differences are minimal, Jesus should be
mailing those soon. Do you prefer patches against 2.1 or the full files?
Best regards
Daniel
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Re: Spanish docu translation submission
Posted by André Malo <nd...@perlig.de>.
* Blanco <bl...@bitrock.com> wrote:
> Attached to this file there is a new version of the es.xml including the
> out-of-date message and a shorter traslation for "Available Languages"
>
> Attached to this file there is a traslation of the sitemap.xml file that
> has been reviewed by Daniel Lopez as well.
Thank you folks again. Committed.
Just to say again, you're currently translating the docs of the 2.1 developer
version. So far your submissions will not appear in 2.0.x versions (except
for es.xml and manual.es.xsl). You would need to checkout the
APACHE_2_0_BRANCH for backports.
If you need further explanations and/or help, please just ask.
nd
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Re: Spanish docu translation submission
Posted by Blanco <bl...@bitrock.com>.
Hi Andre,
Thanks very much for your comments!
> es.xml was missing the (new) out-of-date message. Currently there's
> the English one included. You might want to translate it as well. Further I'd
> really like to get the "Available Languages" translation a bit shorter ;-) Is
> this possible?
Attached to this file there is a new version of the es.xml including the
out-of-date message and a shorter traslation for "Available Languages"
> Additionally please add
>
> <!-- English Revision: x.y.z -->
>
> lines to your files,
> since there's an out-of-date checker in the build script, which determines
> exactly these lines. I'm going to add these lines manually for now.
Thanks. I will add that line in the next submissions
> Finally - just for your info. Once the sitemap.xml has been translated, we are
> able to generate spanish CHM files (the toc bases on the sitemap).
Attached to this file there is a traslation of the sitemap.xml file that
has been reviewed by Daniel Lopez as well.
Thanks again!
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Product Manager
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Re: Spanish docu translation submission
Posted by André Malo <nd...@perlig.de>.
* Blanco <bl...@bitrock.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have been working on translating the Apache 2.0 documentation to
> Spanish. I attach the first files I have translated. They have been
> reviewed by Daniel Lopez, but it would be good if other Spanish speakers
> can have a look as well.
>
> The files attached are:
> manual/install.xml.es
> manual/invoking.xml.es
> manual/stopping.xml.es
> manual/mpm.xml.es
> manual/filter.xml.es
> manual/handler.xml.es
> manual/glossary.xml.es
> style/manual.es.xsl
> style/lang/es.xml
Thanks!
Note that the docs are actually for 2.1. (Yes, the snapshots are badly
misnamed). You might want to compare with the 2.0 files and backport your
translations.
es.xml was missing the (new) out-of-date message. Currently there's
the English one included. You might want to translate it as well. Further I'd
really like to get the "Available Languages" translation a bit shorter ;-) Is
this possible?
Additionally please add
<!-- English Revision: x.y.z -->
lines to your files,
since there's an out-of-date checker in the build script, which determines
exactly these lines. I'm going to add these lines manually for now.
Finally - just for your info. Once the sitemap.xml has been translated, we are
able to generate spanish CHM files (the toc bases on the sitemap).
Thanks again.
nd
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Spanish docu translation submission
Posted by Blanco <bl...@bitrock.com>.
Hi,
I have been working on translating the Apache 2.0 documentation to
Spanish. I attach the first files I have translated. They have been
reviewed by Daniel Lopez, but it would be good if other Spanish speakers
can have a look as well.
The files attached are:
manual/install.xml.es
manual/invoking.xml.es
manual/stopping.xml.es
manual/mpm.xml.es
manual/filter.xml.es
manual/handler.xml.es
manual/glossary.xml.es
style/manual.es.xsl
style/lang/es.xml
Additionally, we are working on
manual/mod/index.xml.es
manual/mod/quickreference.xml.es
manual/mod/directives.xml.es
manual/mod/beos.xml.es
manual/programs/index.xml.es
and should submit those soon.
We have been following the conventions/terms in other Spanish linux
documentation projects and used XML entities for Spanish special
characters and tildes. We have also tried to follow the conventions for
documentation in the Apache site, please let us know if we have missed
anything or we need to do anything differently.
The translations are based on httpd-docs-2.0_20040401171710.tar.gz
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Re: Spanish docu translations ?!
Posted by Fernando Antolin <fe...@web.de>.
Thanks Joshua!
Thank ASF!
I don't know why, but the fact is that i receive your mails twice every
time.
Thanks for your fast responses,
Fernando Antolin
Web & Network Design
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Joshua Slive escribió:
> On Fri, 23 Apr 2004, Fernando Antolin wrote:
>
>
>>Hi there!
>>
>>Why isn't there anyone supervising the translation projects?
>>
>>It cannot be too difficult to establish translation groups for every
>>language.
>>
>>Well, it would be quite easier to see if there is someone working on a
>>language or if the documentation hasn't been translated since two years
>>ago... see spanish docu... e.g. http://quark.fe.up.pt/ApachES/
>>
>>Hope you understand my constructive critics.
>
>
> To my knowledge, there are so few people actually working on translations
> that establishing formal "translations groups" would be impossible.
>
> Here's the most important fact: Work gets done when people do the work.
> That includes the translations themselves, as well as any supporting
> infrastructure. If you think it would be helpful to have a fancy web page
> where translation status was automatically updated, then please go ahead
> and create one. We'll be happy to provide feedback, and certainly a link
> to your site. Putting this sort of thing on the httpd.apache.org site
> would involve a bunch of complicating factors, and probably wouldn't be
> worth it, at least initially. But that doesn't mean you can't do it
> yourself.
>
> There is never going to be simple web form that allows you to do
> translations on line. The docs are way too complicated for that.
>
> As far as work not getting committed, I'll repeat again what I've said: if
> you get ignored, simply resubmit. We are actually quite good on
> docs@httpd at responding to contributors, but that doesn't mean we catch
> every single thing the first time.
>
> Joshua.
>
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Re: Spanish docu translations ?!
Posted by Joshua Slive <jo...@slive.ca>.
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004, Fernando Antolin wrote:
> Hi there!
>
> Why isn't there anyone supervising the translation projects?
>
> It cannot be too difficult to establish translation groups for every
> language.
>
> Well, it would be quite easier to see if there is someone working on a
> language or if the documentation hasn't been translated since two years
> ago... see spanish docu... e.g. http://quark.fe.up.pt/ApachES/
>
> Hope you understand my constructive critics.
To my knowledge, there are so few people actually working on translations
that establishing formal "translations groups" would be impossible.
Here's the most important fact: Work gets done when people do the work.
That includes the translations themselves, as well as any supporting
infrastructure. If you think it would be helpful to have a fancy web page
where translation status was automatically updated, then please go ahead
and create one. We'll be happy to provide feedback, and certainly a link
to your site. Putting this sort of thing on the httpd.apache.org site
would involve a bunch of complicating factors, and probably wouldn't be
worth it, at least initially. But that doesn't mean you can't do it
yourself.
There is never going to be simple web form that allows you to do
translations on line. The docs are way too complicated for that.
As far as work not getting committed, I'll repeat again what I've said: if
you get ignored, simply resubmit. We are actually quite good on
docs@httpd at responding to contributors, but that doesn't mean we catch
every single thing the first time.
Joshua.
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