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New Powered by Logo
I have question related to new "Powered By" Logo.
Why is uses the symbol of communism?
I know that some people might find it funny, but for a lot
of other people is a symbol from the same category as the swastika.
So for some people is could be rather offensive.
Is there a chance to replace it with something more neutral
and politically correct?
Michal
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Re: New Powered by Logo
Posted by Florin Vancea <fv...@maxiq.ro>.
It's the star Michal was complaining about.
And please understand me well (as the other post shows): I'm only saying
that the logo contest was not very visible if looking only at the dev list.
As about "to star or not to star", I guess it's all water under the bridge
anyway.
Florin
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> As a complete idiot, can someone please explain how it's a communist
> symbol?
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> "Florin Vancea" <fv...@maxiq.ro> wrote on 10/04/2003 09:43:00 PM:
>
> > It's not like I have any right to say anything, but I would support
> Michal.
> > The new logo talk on dev list raised my curiosity, too, but I could not
> find
> > any reference on that on Maven homepage, so I dropped the interest.
> >
> > I'm writing this because it appears that if one did not participate in
> user
> > list and/or IRC but only watched the dev list, it had no (obvious) way
> to
> > get a "shot" at the logo development.
> >
> > Just an opinion. Don't shoot, please :).
> >
> > Florin
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ben Walding" <de...@walding.com>
> > To: "Maven Developers List" <de...@maven.apache.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 2:26 PM
> > Subject: Re: New Powered by Logo
> >
> >
> > > If you had this concern, how come you didn't raise it in the last few
> > weeks?
> > >
> > > It's not like the logos were hidden from view. I posted multiple times
> > > on the user list as well as it being the topic on irc for a week or
> two.
> > >
> > > Did you vote?
> > > No.
> > >
> > > Why not?
> > >
> > > michal.maczka wrote:
> > >
> > > >I have question related to new "Powered By" Logo.
> > > >
> > > >Why is uses the symbol of communism?
> > > >
> > > >I know that some people might find it funny, but for a lot
> > > >of other people is a symbol from the same category as the swastika.
> > > >So for some people is could be rather offensive.
> > > >Is there a chance to replace it with something more neutral
> > > >and politically correct?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Michal
> > > >
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Re: New Powered by Logo
Posted by Stephen McConnell <mc...@apache.org>.
dion@multitask.com.au wrote:
>Stephen McConnell <mc...@apache.org> wrote on 12/04/2003 10:08:24 AM:
>
>
>>I did.
>>Actually - can you tell me how many cans are in a slab?
>>It's been a while and I forgotten the dimensions.
>>
>>
>24 last time I looked - enough for one person @ a B&S ball :)
>
Doesn't sound right.
I remember a late night of gambling with about $1200 (AUD) on the table
and I managed to clean up the lot - only problem was that there was this
social obligation to spend this on the aquisition on 18 slabs plus
assorted other supporting beverages - I seem to remember that there were
about 9 of us - which translates to 2 slabs per person.
>
>>On artistic and stylistic merit the logo is really great!
>>Maybe you should do what the French do - a runoff election. If I
>>understand correctly there were two very candidates - so you go for the
>>presidential prise - put the top two up for a presedential election and
>>the winner takes all.
>>
>>
>
>I'll leave this one open to the others....anyone want to re-open the comp?
>
I'm ready to propose a final runoff it someone is ready to second the
motion.
Cheers, Steve.
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Re: New Powered by Logo
Posted by di...@multitask.com.au.
Stephen McConnell <mc...@apache.org> wrote on 12/04/2003 10:08:24 AM:
> I did.
> Actually - can you tell me how many cans are in a slab?
> It's been a while and I forgotten the dimensions.
24 last time I looked - enough for one person @ a B&S ball :)
> On artistic and stylistic merit the logo is really great!
> Maybe you should do what the French do - a runoff election. If I
> understand correctly there were two very candidates - so you go for the
> presidential prise - put the top two up for a presedential election and
> the winner takes all.
I'll leave this one open to the others....anyone want to re-open the comp?
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Re: New Powered by Logo
Posted by Stephen McConnell <mc...@apache.org>.
dion@multitask.com.au wrote:
>Stephen McConnell <mc...@apache.org> wrote on 12/04/2003 02:41:29 AM:
>
>
>>dion@multitask.com.au wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Stephen,
>>>
>>>I'm on the other side of the planet, so I may have a twisted view of
>>>things, but all I saw in it was a slight russian flavour to the text.
>>>
>>>
>The
>
>
>>>star reminded me of the vietnamese flag....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Being on the other side of the planet has its benefits - where else can
>>you throw a sheila and couple of slaps in the back of a ute and call it
>>
>>
>
>I'd hope u meant 'slabs' there ;-)
>
I did.
Actually - can you tell me how many cans are in a slab?
It's been a while and I forgotten the dimensions.
>
>
>
>>an evening out ;-). But back to the topic - combine the three factors -
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>red waving flag, yellow star, russion style text - you have a
>>"communist" tone - which has been done well and which I think correlates
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>nicely with the "maven as tool" image.
>>
>>
>Oh well, it's always open to change.....
>
On artistic and stylistic merit the logo is really great!
Maybe you should do what the French do - a runoff election. If I
understand correctly there were two very candidates - so you go for the
presidential prise - put the top two up for a presedential election and
the winner takes all.
Cheers, Steve.
>--
>dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting
>Blog: http://www.freeroller.net/page/dion/Weblog
>Work: http://www.multitask.com.au
>
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Re: New Powered by Logo
Posted by di...@multitask.com.au.
Stephen McConnell <mc...@apache.org> wrote on 12/04/2003 02:41:29 AM:
> dion@multitask.com.au wrote:
>
> >Stephen,
> >
> >I'm on the other side of the planet, so I may have a twisted view of
> >things, but all I saw in it was a slight russian flavour to the text.
The
> >star reminded me of the vietnamese flag....
> >
>
> Being on the other side of the planet has its benefits - where else can
> you throw a sheila and couple of slaps in the back of a ute and call it
I'd hope u meant 'slabs' there ;-)
> an evening out ;-). But back to the topic - combine the three factors -
> red waving flag, yellow star, russion style text - you have a
> "communist" tone - which has been done well and which I think correlates
> nicely with the "maven as tool" image.
Oh well, it's always open to change.....
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Re: New Powered by Logo
Posted by Stephen McConnell <mc...@apache.org>.
dion@multitask.com.au wrote:
>Stephen,
>
>I'm on the other side of the planet, so I may have a twisted view of
>things, but all I saw in it was a slight russian flavour to the text. The
>star reminded me of the vietnamese flag....
>
Being on the other side of the planet has its benefits - where else can
you throw a sheila and couple of slaps in the back of a ute and call it
an evening out ;-). But back to the topic - combine the three factors -
red waving flag, yellow star, russion style text - you have a
"communist" tone - which has been done well and which I think correlates
nicely with the "maven as tool" image.
Cheers, Steve.
>--
>dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting
>Blog: http://www.freeroller.net/page/dion/Weblog
>Work: http://www.multitask.com.au
>
>
>Stephen McConnell <mc...@apache.org> wrote on 11/04/2003 12:54:53 PM:
>
>
>
>>dion@multitask.com.au wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>As a complete idiot, can someone please explain how it's a communist
>>>symbol?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Dion:
>>
>>It definitely has a strong "communist" flavor. This works ok in
>>western-European cultures when you want to portray structure and
>>obedience (pom this, pom that, etc.). But there is a downside - there
>>are people I know (who I have worked with) who would definitely find the
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>association offensive simply because the association is too recent. I'm
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>thinking mainly of people I know in Eastern Europe who would correlate
>>the logo with things they don't want to remember. As such, I have to
>>agree with Michal's comments. Being politically correct may have its
>>benefits.
>>
>>My 2 cents to the converstation.
>>
>>Cheers, Steve.
>>
>>
>>
>>>--
>>>dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting
>>>Blog: http://www.freeroller.net/page/dion/Weblog
>>>Work: http://www.multitask.com.au
>>>
>>>
>>>"Florin Vancea" <fv...@maxiq.ro> wrote on 10/04/2003 09:43:00 PM:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>It's not like I have any right to say anything, but I would support
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Michal.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>The new logo talk on dev list raised my curiosity, too, but I could
>>>>
>>>>
>not
>
>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>find
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>any reference on that on Maven homepage, so I dropped the interest.
>>>>
>>>>I'm writing this because it appears that if one did not participate in
>>>>
>>>>
>
>
>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>user
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>list and/or IRC but only watched the dev list, it had no (obvious) way
>>>>
>>>>
>
>
>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>to
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>get a "shot" at the logo development.
>>>>
>>>>Just an opinion. Don't shoot, please :).
>>>>
>>>>Florin
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Ben Walding" <de...@walding.com>
>>>>To: "Maven Developers List" <de...@maven.apache.org>
>>>>Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 2:26 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: New Powered by Logo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>If you had this concern, how come you didn't raise it in the last few
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>weeks?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>It's not like the logos were hidden from view. I posted multiple
>>>>>
>>>>>
>times
>
>
>>>>>on the user list as well as it being the topic on irc for a week or
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>two.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Did you vote?
>>>>>No.
>>>>>
>>>>>Why not?
>>>>>
>>>>>michal.maczka wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I have question related to new "Powered By" Logo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Why is uses the symbol of communism?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I know that some people might find it funny, but for a lot
>>>>>>of other people is a symbol from the same category as the swastika.
>>>>>>So for some people is could be rather offensive.
>>>>>>Is there a chance to replace it with something more neutral
>>>>>>and politically correct?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Michal
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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Re: New Powered by Logo
Posted by di...@multitask.com.au.
Stephen,
I'm on the other side of the planet, so I may have a twisted view of
things, but all I saw in it was a slight russian flavour to the text. The
star reminded me of the vietnamese flag....
--
dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting
Blog: http://www.freeroller.net/page/dion/Weblog
Work: http://www.multitask.com.au
Stephen McConnell <mc...@apache.org> wrote on 11/04/2003 12:54:53 PM:
>
>
> dion@multitask.com.au wrote:
>
> >As a complete idiot, can someone please explain how it's a communist
> >symbol?
> >
>
> Dion:
>
> It definitely has a strong "communist" flavor. This works ok in
> western-European cultures when you want to portray structure and
> obedience (pom this, pom that, etc.). But there is a downside - there
> are people I know (who I have worked with) who would definitely find the
> association offensive simply because the association is too recent. I'm
> thinking mainly of people I know in Eastern Europe who would correlate
> the logo with things they don't want to remember. As such, I have to
> agree with Michal's comments. Being politically correct may have its
> benefits.
>
> My 2 cents to the converstation.
>
> Cheers, Steve.
>
> >--
> >dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting
> >Blog: http://www.freeroller.net/page/dion/Weblog
> >Work: http://www.multitask.com.au
> >
> >
> >"Florin Vancea" <fv...@maxiq.ro> wrote on 10/04/2003 09:43:00 PM:
> >
> >
> >
> >>It's not like I have any right to say anything, but I would support
> >>
> >>
> >Michal.
> >
> >
> >>The new logo talk on dev list raised my curiosity, too, but I could
not
> >>
> >>
> >find
> >
> >
> >>any reference on that on Maven homepage, so I dropped the interest.
> >>
> >>I'm writing this because it appears that if one did not participate in
> >>
> >>
> >user
> >
> >
> >>list and/or IRC but only watched the dev list, it had no (obvious) way
> >>
> >>
> >to
> >
> >
> >>get a "shot" at the logo development.
> >>
> >>Just an opinion. Don't shoot, please :).
> >>
> >>Florin
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Ben Walding" <de...@walding.com>
> >>To: "Maven Developers List" <de...@maven.apache.org>
> >>Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 2:26 PM
> >>Subject: Re: New Powered by Logo
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>If you had this concern, how come you didn't raise it in the last few
> >>>
> >>>
> >>weeks?
> >>
> >>
> >>>It's not like the logos were hidden from view. I posted multiple
times
> >>>on the user list as well as it being the topic on irc for a week or
> >>>
> >>>
> >two.
> >
> >
> >>>Did you vote?
> >>>No.
> >>>
> >>>Why not?
> >>>
> >>>michal.maczka wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>I have question related to new "Powered By" Logo.
> >>>>
> >>>>Why is uses the symbol of communism?
> >>>>
> >>>>I know that some people might find it funny, but for a lot
> >>>>of other people is a symbol from the same category as the swastika.
> >>>>So for some people is could be rather offensive.
> >>>>Is there a chance to replace it with something more neutral
> >>>>and politically correct?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Michal
> >>>>
>
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Re: New Powered by Logo
Posted by Stephen McConnell <mc...@apache.org>.
dion@multitask.com.au wrote:
>As a complete idiot, can someone please explain how it's a communist
>symbol?
>
Dion:
It definitely has a strong "communist" flavor. This works ok in
western-European cultures when you want to portray structure and
obedience (pom this, pom that, etc.). But there is a downside - there
are people I know (who I have worked with) who would definitely find the
association offensive simply because the association is too recent. I'm
thinking mainly of people I know in Eastern Europe who would correlate
the logo with things they don't want to remember. As such, I have to
agree with Michal's comments. Being politically correct may have its
benefits.
My 2 cents to the converstation.
Cheers, Steve.
>--
>dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting
>Blog: http://www.freeroller.net/page/dion/Weblog
>Work: http://www.multitask.com.au
>
>
>"Florin Vancea" <fv...@maxiq.ro> wrote on 10/04/2003 09:43:00 PM:
>
>
>
>>It's not like I have any right to say anything, but I would support
>>
>>
>Michal.
>
>
>>The new logo talk on dev list raised my curiosity, too, but I could not
>>
>>
>find
>
>
>>any reference on that on Maven homepage, so I dropped the interest.
>>
>>I'm writing this because it appears that if one did not participate in
>>
>>
>user
>
>
>>list and/or IRC but only watched the dev list, it had no (obvious) way
>>
>>
>to
>
>
>>get a "shot" at the logo development.
>>
>>Just an opinion. Don't shoot, please :).
>>
>>Florin
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Ben Walding" <de...@walding.com>
>>To: "Maven Developers List" <de...@maven.apache.org>
>>Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 2:26 PM
>>Subject: Re: New Powered by Logo
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>If you had this concern, how come you didn't raise it in the last few
>>>
>>>
>>weeks?
>>
>>
>>>It's not like the logos were hidden from view. I posted multiple times
>>>on the user list as well as it being the topic on irc for a week or
>>>
>>>
>two.
>
>
>>>Did you vote?
>>>No.
>>>
>>>Why not?
>>>
>>>michal.maczka wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I have question related to new "Powered By" Logo.
>>>>
>>>>Why is uses the symbol of communism?
>>>>
>>>>I know that some people might find it funny, but for a lot
>>>>of other people is a symbol from the same category as the swastika.
>>>>So for some people is could be rather offensive.
>>>>Is there a chance to replace it with something more neutral
>>>>and politically correct?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Michal
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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RE: New Powered by Logo
Posted by "michal.maczka" <mi...@cqs.ch>.
http://www.edwardmooney.com/flagreport/rep-as.htm -> see the Flag of China
http://www.sierratimes.com/archive/files/oct/03/morse.htm
http://www.nicholasmorigi.com/pages/RedArmy/
One more time: I have personally nothing against this logo.
Just find it __very__radical__ and probably not funny for some persons.
I would rise the issue if it will contain some religious symbols
(specially the ones like 666) which are probably not so obvious.
Just wanted to signal that some people read
symbols in different ways and from this point of view I think that this is
not the best logo.
>From my side EOT.
Michal
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dion@multitask.com.au [mailto:dion@multitask.com.au]
> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 4:11 PM
> To: Maven Developers List
> Subject: Re: New Powered by Logo
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>
> As a complete idiot, can someone please explain how it's a communist
> symbol?
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> dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting
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> Work: http://www.multitask.com.au
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>
> "Florin Vancea" <fv...@maxiq.ro> wrote on 10/04/2003 09:43:00 PM:
>
> > It's not like I have any right to say anything, but I would support
> Michal.
> > The new logo talk on dev list raised my curiosity, too, but I could not
> find
> > any reference on that on Maven homepage, so I dropped the interest.
> >
> > I'm writing this because it appears that if one did not participate in
> user
> > list and/or IRC but only watched the dev list, it had no (obvious) way
> to
> > get a "shot" at the logo development.
> >
> > Just an opinion. Don't shoot, please :).
> >
> > Florin
> >
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> > From: "Ben Walding" <de...@walding.com>
> > To: "Maven Developers List" <de...@maven.apache.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 2:26 PM
> > Subject: Re: New Powered by Logo
> >
> >
> > > If you had this concern, how come you didn't raise it in the last few
> > weeks?
> > >
> > > It's not like the logos were hidden from view. I posted multiple times
> > > on the user list as well as it being the topic on irc for a week or
> two.
> > >
> > > Did you vote?
> > > No.
> > >
> > > Why not?
> > >
> > > michal.maczka wrote:
> > >
> > > >I have question related to new "Powered By" Logo.
> > > >
> > > >Why is uses the symbol of communism?
> > > >
> > > >I know that some people might find it funny, but for a lot
> > > >of other people is a symbol from the same category as the swastika.
> > > >So for some people is could be rather offensive.
> > > >Is there a chance to replace it with something more neutral
> > > >and politically correct?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Michal
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Re: New Powered by Logo
Posted by di...@multitask.com.au.
As a complete idiot, can someone please explain how it's a communist
symbol?
--
dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting
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Work: http://www.multitask.com.au
"Florin Vancea" <fv...@maxiq.ro> wrote on 10/04/2003 09:43:00 PM:
> It's not like I have any right to say anything, but I would support
Michal.
> The new logo talk on dev list raised my curiosity, too, but I could not
find
> any reference on that on Maven homepage, so I dropped the interest.
>
> I'm writing this because it appears that if one did not participate in
user
> list and/or IRC but only watched the dev list, it had no (obvious) way
to
> get a "shot" at the logo development.
>
> Just an opinion. Don't shoot, please :).
>
> Florin
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ben Walding" <de...@walding.com>
> To: "Maven Developers List" <de...@maven.apache.org>
> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 2:26 PM
> Subject: Re: New Powered by Logo
>
>
> > If you had this concern, how come you didn't raise it in the last few
> weeks?
> >
> > It's not like the logos were hidden from view. I posted multiple times
> > on the user list as well as it being the topic on irc for a week or
two.
> >
> > Did you vote?
> > No.
> >
> > Why not?
> >
> > michal.maczka wrote:
> >
> > >I have question related to new "Powered By" Logo.
> > >
> > >Why is uses the symbol of communism?
> > >
> > >I know that some people might find it funny, but for a lot
> > >of other people is a symbol from the same category as the swastika.
> > >So for some people is could be rather offensive.
> > >Is there a chance to replace it with something more neutral
> > >and politically correct?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Michal
> > >
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Re: New Powered by Logo
Posted by Florin Vancea <fv...@maxiq.ro>.
It's not like I have any right to say anything, but I would support Michal.
The new logo talk on dev list raised my curiosity, too, but I could not find
any reference on that on Maven homepage, so I dropped the interest.
I'm writing this because it appears that if one did not participate in user
list and/or IRC but only watched the dev list, it had no (obvious) way to
get a "shot" at the logo development.
Just an opinion. Don't shoot, please :).
Florin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben Walding" <de...@walding.com>
To: "Maven Developers List" <de...@maven.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: New Powered by Logo
> If you had this concern, how come you didn't raise it in the last few
weeks?
>
> It's not like the logos were hidden from view. I posted multiple times
> on the user list as well as it being the topic on irc for a week or two.
>
> Did you vote?
> No.
>
> Why not?
>
> michal.maczka wrote:
>
> >I have question related to new "Powered By" Logo.
> >
> >Why is uses the symbol of communism?
> >
> >I know that some people might find it funny, but for a lot
> >of other people is a symbol from the same category as the swastika.
> >So for some people is could be rather offensive.
> >Is there a chance to replace it with something more neutral
> >and politically correct?
> >
> >
> >
> >Michal
> >
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Re: New Powered by Logo
Posted by Ben Walding <de...@walding.com>.
If you had this concern, how come you didn't raise it in the last few weeks?
It's not like the logos were hidden from view. I posted multiple times
on the user list as well as it being the topic on irc for a week or two.
Did you vote?
No.
Why not?
michal.maczka wrote:
>I have question related to new "Powered By" Logo.
>
>Why is uses the symbol of communism?
>
>I know that some people might find it funny, but for a lot
>of other people is a symbol from the same category as the swastika.
>So for some people is could be rather offensive.
>Is there a chance to replace it with something more neutral
>and politically correct?
>
>
>
>Michal
>
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Re: New Powered by Logo
Posted by Florin Vancea <fv...@maxiq.ro>.
It's the idea that's interesting. In my country there were several TV-shows,
music albums and the suite using the same idea:
"This is good-old-propaganda".
And we've had our share of communism, too.
Maybe being able to make fun of it is proof of complete detachment from the
past, whatever that past might be.
Florin
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From: "michal.maczka" <mi...@cqs.ch>
To: <de...@maven.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 11:39 AM
Subject: New Powered by Logo
> I have question related to new "Powered By" Logo.
>
> Why is uses the symbol of communism?
>
> I know that some people might find it funny, but for a lot
> of other people is a symbol from the same category as the swastika.
> So for some people is could be rather offensive.
> Is there a chance to replace it with something more neutral
> and politically correct?
>
>
>
> Michal
>
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