struts-faces mailing list

[Rob Decker <ro...@objectsource.org>]

Is there a mailing list for struts-faces? There is very little on the struts website. 
I don't even see lists for struts itself.

--
Rob

@objectsource.org

Re: struts-faces mailing list

[Rob Decker <ro...@objectsource.org>]

Actually I got it working once I removed tiles from the mix but it works
well enough for what I need. I may be missing something with tiles but for
now it's not that important.

I think I gave it a fair effort to convert to JSF, mainly to get a decent
understanding of it to see how it could be useful. If it turned out I
converted the entire app in the time I had that would of been fine. While it
didn't turn out that way I learned enough about JSF to take my project in
the proper direction it needs to go with certainty.

Embedding a JSF component <f:view></f:view> in the middle of a jsp page for
a specific purpose like I am for the tree component is actually a better
solution for my project. I can use bookmarks for looking at specifics
objects in my app and for predefined searches and offer browsing with the
tree component which gives a more intuitive view to the user.

If I find other places where a component offers useful functionality I can
add it in as needed. I like the concepts behind JSF. But I think trying to
sell it as an all or nothing option is not the way to go. JSF needs to play
nice with JSP. Until it does, hopefully, in 1.2 (quite a ways off actually),
using a component here and there embedded in a JSP page is going to be the
most useful both for the applications and to give components a chance to
mature in a variety of live environments.

Rob

@objectsource.org


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sean Schofield" <se...@gmail.com>
To: "MyFaces Discussion" <us...@myfaces.apache.org>
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: struts-faces mailing list


> I've actually got the tree showing up correctly on the page, even with
call it with
> the .do struts naming. I just need to figure out how to get it realize it
needs to
> deal with the tree when .faces is the extension and struts actions when
.do is.

I experienced the same significant problem trying to use Tiles, Struts
and JSF together.  Ultimately I think you can use struts-faces to
achieve this but I'd rather spend my time porting the Struts stuff to
JSF.

Our solution (at my day job) is going to be to convert all of our
dialogs over to JSF first.  They run in their own modal window and
have their own layout.  So everything involved in our dialogs will be
JSF.  The rest will stay as Tiles + Struts.  Then the next release we
will migrate the rest.

This gives us a chance to get familiar with JSF and only have to
convert 20% of our pages.  Once we finish that phase we will have that
learning experience under our belts and can tackle the remainder.  I
agree its slow going but think about how it took a long time to
convert from regular JSP to Struts when Struts first came out.  JSF is
still improving and more importantly, you and I are still learning
JSF.

sean

> Rob

Re: struts-faces mailing list

[Sean Schofield <se...@gmail.com>]

> I've actually got the tree showing up correctly on the page, even with call it with
> the .do struts naming. I just need to figure out how to get it realize it needs to
> deal with the tree when .faces is the extension and struts actions when .do is.

I experienced the same significant problem trying to use Tiles, Struts
and JSF together.  Ultimately I think you can use struts-faces to
achieve this but I'd rather spend my time porting the Struts stuff to
JSF.

Our solution (at my day job) is going to be to convert all of our
dialogs over to JSF first.  They run in their own modal window and
have their own layout.  So everything involved in our dialogs will be
JSF.  The rest will stay as Tiles + Struts.  Then the next release we
will migrate the rest.

This gives us a chance to get familiar with JSF and only have to
convert 20% of our pages.  Once we finish that phase we will have that
learning experience under our belts and can tackle the remainder.  I
agree its slow going but think about how it took a long time to
convert from regular JSP to Struts when Struts first came out.  JSF is
still improving and more importantly, you and I are still learning
JSF.

sean

> Rob

Re: struts-faces mailing list

[Rob Decker <ro...@objectsource.org>]

I have an existing app written with struts actions and JSTL in jsp. I just want to add 
the tree component so people can browse my data. I tried to convert the whole app to 
JSF but it is taking too long. 

There are just too many bugs/inconsistencies to figure out. It took me two weeks to 
write the original struts app. I spent a month trying to convert it to JSF and it 
looks like I'll spend another month at least if I continue on that route. I don't even 
know if it will work unless I write all the components to fit what I need. I have a 
client to deliver to. The UI is only a small part of my application for now.

Another thing is that I don't want to lose bookmarks. It's actually something my 
client wants and I had to write the struts app so I could bookmark any particular item 
being shown. Integrating the tree component for browsing with the existing struts app 
would actually work out much nicer for me in that respect.

>From a JSF perspective I just need the tree to display, open and close and only load 
the nodes that are visible, which is what I have now. Everything in the facets shown 
can link back out to the struts parts of the app.

I've actually got the tree showing up correctly on the page, even with call it with 
the .do struts naming. I just need to figure out how to get it realize it needs to 
deal with the tree when .faces is the extension and struts actions when .do is.

If I could do that I can have the <f:view> in the middle of my jsp page with the tree 
and the rest of my jsp working in struts mode all around it. 

When I goto mypage.do it loads fine, shows the tree, shows my struts/jstl jsp stuff. 
When I click a tree node it tries to go to Mypage.faces and blows up on 
tag.getAsString I guess because faces is now trying to parse the page. But if I go 
back to mypage.do, the node I clicked is now opened. So it works, I just have to get 
it to go to mypage.do instead of Mypage.faces when I click a node and make sure all 
the facet links go back out to mypage.do, that last being the easy part.



--
Rob

@objectsource.org


---------- Original Message -----------
From: Sean Schofield <se...@gmail.com>
To: MyFaces Discussion <us...@myfaces.apache.org>
Sent: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 16:21:55 -0400
Subject: Re: struts-faces mailing list

> Not that I know of.  I would suggest the struts-dev or struts-user.  I
> haven't heard of many people hear using it either.  It was basically
> designed to help you move a large existing struts app over to JSF
> without having to rewrite all of your Actions, etc. all at once.  If
> you are doing a new project, just do JSF.
> 
> In my personal case, we're going to bite the bullet and rewrite 50%
> (all of the dialogs) completely as JSF.  Then the next release we will
> do the rest. We use Tiles heavily and I've concluded that Struts,
> Tiles and JSF don't go very well together.  You can mix any two of the
> three no problem but all three together is a bit dicey.  I suppose
> this would be an advantage to using struts-faces but I figured why
> spend the time learning something that is just a temporary measure
> anyways.
> 
> sean
> 
> On 4/29/05, Rob Decker <ro...@objectsource.org> wrote:
> > Is there a mailing list for struts-faces? There is very little on the struts 
website.
> > I don't even see lists for struts itself.
> > 
> > --
> > Rob
> > 
> > @objectsource.org
> > 
> >
------- End of Original Message -------

Re: struts-faces mailing list

[Sean Schofield <se...@gmail.com>]

Not that I know of.  I would suggest the struts-dev or struts-user.  I
haven't heard of many people hear using it either.  It was basically
designed to help you move a large existing struts app over to JSF
without having to rewrite all of your Actions, etc. all at once.  If
you are doing a new project, just do JSF.

In my personal case, we're going to bite the bullet and rewrite 50%
(all of the dialogs) completely as JSF.  Then the next release we will
do the rest. We use Tiles heavily and I've concluded that Struts,
Tiles and JSF don't go very well together.  You can mix any two of the
three no problem but all three together is a bit dicey.  I suppose
this would be an advantage to using struts-faces but I figured why
spend the time learning something that is just a temporary measure
anyways.

sean

On 4/29/05, Rob Decker <ro...@objectsource.org> wrote:
> Is there a mailing list for struts-faces? There is very little on the struts website.
> I don't even see lists for struts itself.
> 
> --
> Rob
> 
> @objectsource.org
> 
>