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Posted to general@incubator.apache.org by sameer arora <sa...@gmail.com> on 2013/03/10 05:50:27 UTC
RE: [PROPOSAL] MetaModel join the Apache Incubator
Hi,
I have been working on Metamodel as a developer for the last 1.5
years.We are also working on adding Hbase support to Metamodel to
cater the needs of today.
It would be great to see Metamodel accepted at Apache Incubator,
surely the efforts from us would gain some momentum.
Sameer
RE: [PROPOSAL] MetaModel join the Apache Incubator
Posted by Kasper Sørensen <ka...@HumanInference.com>.
I'll update the wiki page then, and add Sameer as an "initial committer" since he is already working (to my understanding) on a HBase module contribution. I'll remove Willem Cazander for the moment since I think he's too busy right now to be a real initial committer.
And great news that you want to mentor this. That's very good, thank you.
________________________________________
From: Henry Saputra [henry.saputra@gmail.com]
Sent: 12 March 2013 19:24
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] MetaModel join the Apache Incubator
Hi Kasper,
One suggestion is to remove the "Contributors with known interest if
project is accepted in Incubator" section and only add contributors that
really want to get the project going.
I could see this could be very useful for projects like Apache Gora or
pluggable query component for Apache Drill.
I would like to volunteer to become mentor and initial committer for this
project to get it rolling.
Thanks,
Henry
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 5:43 AM, Kasper Sørensen <
kasper.sorensen@humaninference.com> wrote:
> Christian, your point regarding number of active contributors is valid and
> this is in deed also something that we feel is a risk to the project. I
> would say though that Human Inference is committed to continue the effort
> even if I should personally stop committing to it - reason being that the
> software stack we have here is highly dependent on MetaModel. Right now we
> are simply in a situation where I am the key go-to-guy when there's
> MetaModel related work involved. Often we pair program on these tasks, but
> commit through my account.
>
> The other side of the story is that we have several testers that
> contribute a lot in terms of bug reports and so on. But because we're a
> closed company these reports are typically going first through our internal
> bugtracker and then into the trac system. At that point in time it will
> typically be me that enters the trac ticket. This is obviously a style of
> closedness that won't work in an Apache situation, and we need to adapt to
> that. But I also believe that we can manage that transition during
> incubation.
>
> As for the "potential" contributors - one have indicated that it is
> important to him that we move MetaModel out of the corporate setting for
> him to sign a contributors agreement. The other (Sameer) actually just told
> me that he would want to contribute anyways, but that the incubation would
> be an additional incentive, because of Apache's brand value. I don't think
> any of us wants a @apache.org email though! :)
>
> Hope that sheds a bit more light on the matter. And thanks for questioning
> this, it gives us opportunity to explain things!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christian Grobmeier [mailto:grobmeier@gmail.com]
> Sent: 11. marts 2013 11:43
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] MetaModel join the Apache Incubator
>
> I still think this is a nice project and it might fit right into the ASF.
> Currently I am out of time, so I cannot champion this proposal nor can I be
> the most active mentor. Unfortunately it seems nobody else in the IPMC has
> an interest in helping this proposal.
>
> Looking at:
> http://eobjects.org/trac/timeline
>
> It seems MetaModel is more or less a single-man with a little support from
> two other devs. With less interest from the Incubator and a small dev
> community I am not sure how this project will develop here. If Kasper stops
> to commit, the project is dead.
>
> Two contributors are listed as "have an interest to commit if accepted to
> the ASF". Why didn't they contribute before? It reads a bit like they want
> to have an @apache.org e-mail address than a real interest in the project.
>
> Hopefully other IPMC'lers find some time to comment here too.
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Kasper Sørensen <
> kasper.sorensen@humaninference.com> wrote:
> > Just for reference, I'd add to Sameer's mail that the proposal is here:
> >
> > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MetaModelProposal
> >
> > We would very much appreciate if one or more apache champions will help
> us to get further in the process.
> >
> > Kasper
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sameer arora [mailto:sameer11sep@gmail.com]
> > Sent: 10. marts 2013 05:50
> > To: general@incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] MetaModel join the Apache Incubator
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have been working on Metamodel as a developer for the last 1.5
> years.We are also working on adding Hbase support to Metamodel to cater the
> needs of today.
> >
> > It would be great to see Metamodel accepted at Apache Incubator, surely
> the efforts from us would gain some momentum.
> >
> > Sameer
> >
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>
>
>
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Re: [PROPOSAL] MetaModel join the Apache Incubator
Posted by Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com>.
Hi Kasper,
One suggestion is to remove the "Contributors with known interest if
project is accepted in Incubator" section and only add contributors that
really want to get the project going.
I could see this could be very useful for projects like Apache Gora or
pluggable query component for Apache Drill.
I would like to volunteer to become mentor and initial committer for this
project to get it rolling.
Thanks,
Henry
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 5:43 AM, Kasper Sørensen <
kasper.sorensen@humaninference.com> wrote:
> Christian, your point regarding number of active contributors is valid and
> this is in deed also something that we feel is a risk to the project. I
> would say though that Human Inference is committed to continue the effort
> even if I should personally stop committing to it - reason being that the
> software stack we have here is highly dependent on MetaModel. Right now we
> are simply in a situation where I am the key go-to-guy when there's
> MetaModel related work involved. Often we pair program on these tasks, but
> commit through my account.
>
> The other side of the story is that we have several testers that
> contribute a lot in terms of bug reports and so on. But because we're a
> closed company these reports are typically going first through our internal
> bugtracker and then into the trac system. At that point in time it will
> typically be me that enters the trac ticket. This is obviously a style of
> closedness that won't work in an Apache situation, and we need to adapt to
> that. But I also believe that we can manage that transition during
> incubation.
>
> As for the "potential" contributors - one have indicated that it is
> important to him that we move MetaModel out of the corporate setting for
> him to sign a contributors agreement. The other (Sameer) actually just told
> me that he would want to contribute anyways, but that the incubation would
> be an additional incentive, because of Apache's brand value. I don't think
> any of us wants a @apache.org email though! :)
>
> Hope that sheds a bit more light on the matter. And thanks for questioning
> this, it gives us opportunity to explain things!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christian Grobmeier [mailto:grobmeier@gmail.com]
> Sent: 11. marts 2013 11:43
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] MetaModel join the Apache Incubator
>
> I still think this is a nice project and it might fit right into the ASF.
> Currently I am out of time, so I cannot champion this proposal nor can I be
> the most active mentor. Unfortunately it seems nobody else in the IPMC has
> an interest in helping this proposal.
>
> Looking at:
> http://eobjects.org/trac/timeline
>
> It seems MetaModel is more or less a single-man with a little support from
> two other devs. With less interest from the Incubator and a small dev
> community I am not sure how this project will develop here. If Kasper stops
> to commit, the project is dead.
>
> Two contributors are listed as "have an interest to commit if accepted to
> the ASF". Why didn't they contribute before? It reads a bit like they want
> to have an @apache.org e-mail address than a real interest in the project.
>
> Hopefully other IPMC'lers find some time to comment here too.
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Kasper Sørensen <
> kasper.sorensen@humaninference.com> wrote:
> > Just for reference, I'd add to Sameer's mail that the proposal is here:
> >
> > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MetaModelProposal
> >
> > We would very much appreciate if one or more apache champions will help
> us to get further in the process.
> >
> > Kasper
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sameer arora [mailto:sameer11sep@gmail.com]
> > Sent: 10. marts 2013 05:50
> > To: general@incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] MetaModel join the Apache Incubator
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have been working on Metamodel as a developer for the last 1.5
> years.We are also working on adding Hbase support to Metamodel to cater the
> needs of today.
> >
> > It would be great to see Metamodel accepted at Apache Incubator, surely
> the efforts from us would gain some momentum.
> >
> > Sameer
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
> >
>
>
>
> --
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> https://www.timeandbill.de
>
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RE: [PROPOSAL] MetaModel join the Apache Incubator
Posted by Kasper Sørensen <ka...@HumanInference.com>.
Christian, your point regarding number of active contributors is valid and this is in deed also something that we feel is a risk to the project. I would say though that Human Inference is committed to continue the effort even if I should personally stop committing to it - reason being that the software stack we have here is highly dependent on MetaModel. Right now we are simply in a situation where I am the key go-to-guy when there's MetaModel related work involved. Often we pair program on these tasks, but commit through my account.
The other side of the story is that we have several testers that contribute a lot in terms of bug reports and so on. But because we're a closed company these reports are typically going first through our internal bugtracker and then into the trac system. At that point in time it will typically be me that enters the trac ticket. This is obviously a style of closedness that won't work in an Apache situation, and we need to adapt to that. But I also believe that we can manage that transition during incubation.
As for the "potential" contributors - one have indicated that it is important to him that we move MetaModel out of the corporate setting for him to sign a contributors agreement. The other (Sameer) actually just told me that he would want to contribute anyways, but that the incubation would be an additional incentive, because of Apache's brand value. I don't think any of us wants a @apache.org email though! :)
Hope that sheds a bit more light on the matter. And thanks for questioning this, it gives us opportunity to explain things!
-----Original Message-----
From: Christian Grobmeier [mailto:grobmeier@gmail.com]
Sent: 11. marts 2013 11:43
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] MetaModel join the Apache Incubator
I still think this is a nice project and it might fit right into the ASF. Currently I am out of time, so I cannot champion this proposal nor can I be the most active mentor. Unfortunately it seems nobody else in the IPMC has an interest in helping this proposal.
Looking at:
http://eobjects.org/trac/timeline
It seems MetaModel is more or less a single-man with a little support from two other devs. With less interest from the Incubator and a small dev community I am not sure how this project will develop here. If Kasper stops to commit, the project is dead.
Two contributors are listed as "have an interest to commit if accepted to the ASF". Why didn't they contribute before? It reads a bit like they want to have an @apache.org e-mail address than a real interest in the project.
Hopefully other IPMC'lers find some time to comment here too.
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Kasper Sørensen <ka...@humaninference.com> wrote:
> Just for reference, I'd add to Sameer's mail that the proposal is here:
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MetaModelProposal
>
> We would very much appreciate if one or more apache champions will help us to get further in the process.
>
> Kasper
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sameer arora [mailto:sameer11sep@gmail.com]
> Sent: 10. marts 2013 05:50
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] MetaModel join the Apache Incubator
>
> Hi,
>
> I have been working on Metamodel as a developer for the last 1.5 years.We are also working on adding Hbase support to Metamodel to cater the needs of today.
>
> It would be great to see Metamodel accepted at Apache Incubator, surely the efforts from us would gain some momentum.
>
> Sameer
>
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Re: [PROPOSAL] MetaModel join the Apache Incubator
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
I still think this is a nice project and it might fit right into the
ASF. Currently I am out of time, so I cannot champion this proposal
nor can I be the most active mentor. Unfortunately it seems nobody
else in the IPMC has an interest in helping this proposal.
Looking at:
http://eobjects.org/trac/timeline
It seems MetaModel is more or less a single-man with a little support
from two other devs. With less interest from the Incubator and a small
dev community I am not sure how this project will develop here. If
Kasper stops to commit, the project is dead.
Two contributors are listed as "have an interest to commit if accepted
to the ASF". Why didn't they contribute before? It reads a bit like
they want to have an @apache.org e-mail address than a real interest
in the project.
Hopefully other IPMC'lers find some time to comment here too.
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Kasper Sørensen
<ka...@humaninference.com> wrote:
> Just for reference, I'd add to Sameer's mail that the proposal is here:
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MetaModelProposal
>
> We would very much appreciate if one or more apache champions will help us to get further in the process.
>
> Kasper
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sameer arora [mailto:sameer11sep@gmail.com]
> Sent: 10. marts 2013 05:50
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] MetaModel join the Apache Incubator
>
> Hi,
>
> I have been working on Metamodel as a developer for the last 1.5 years.We are also working on adding Hbase support to Metamodel to cater the needs of today.
>
> It would be great to see Metamodel accepted at Apache Incubator, surely the efforts from us would gain some momentum.
>
> Sameer
>
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RE: [PROPOSAL] MetaModel join the Apache Incubator
Posted by Kasper Sørensen <ka...@HumanInference.com>.
Just for reference, I'd add to Sameer's mail that the proposal is here:
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MetaModelProposal
We would very much appreciate if one or more apache champions will help us to get further in the process.
Kasper
-----Original Message-----
From: sameer arora [mailto:sameer11sep@gmail.com]
Sent: 10. marts 2013 05:50
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] MetaModel join the Apache Incubator
Hi,
I have been working on Metamodel as a developer for the last 1.5 years.We are also working on adding Hbase support to Metamodel to cater the needs of today.
It would be great to see Metamodel accepted at Apache Incubator, surely the efforts from us would gain some momentum.
Sameer
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