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[WIKI] ProjectSummary
Hello devs,
I have added the page:
http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=ProjectManagementLenya
King regards
thorsten
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Re: [WIKI] ProjectSummary
Posted by "Scherler, Thorsten" <th...@apache.org>.
Gregor J. Rothfuss wrote:
> Rolf Kulemann wrote:
>
>>
>>> From GNOME world I know a day called "Bugday", where devs and users go
>>
>> through bugzilla and try to fix and manage bugs.
>> +1 to have such a day. Dunno how frequently.
>
>
> +1 for a lenya first friday
>
> http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=FirstFriday
>
> if we have it the same day as cocoon we can benefit from more people
> around to ask about cocoon "features" :)
>
+1
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Re: [WIKI] ProjectSummary
Posted by "Gregor J. Rothfuss" <gr...@apache.org>.
Rolf Kulemann wrote:
>
>>>From GNOME world I know a day called "Bugday", where devs and users go
> through bugzilla and try to fix and manage bugs.
>
> +1 to have such a day. Dunno how frequently.
+1 for a lenya first friday
http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=FirstFriday
if we have it the same day as cocoon we can benefit from more people
around to ask about cocoon "features" :)
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Re: [WIKI] ProjectSummary
Posted by Rolf Kulemann <ro...@apache.org>.
On Tue, 2004-05-18 at 09:51, Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> Hello devs,
>
> in this wiki I puted some FIXME. So feel free to fill the gaps.
>
> Maybe we can add some more prepared buzilla queries to that page, so
> that user can easier get started with bugzilla ;-).
>
> I used the Cocoon ProjektManagement Site as template for the page. There
> is a point virtual meeting. Is somebody interessted in having them on a
> regular basis? Maybe once per month or something like that?
>>From GNOME world I know a day called "Bugday", where devs and users go
through bugzilla and try to fix and manage bugs.
+1 to have such a day. Dunno how frequently.
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Re: [WIKI] ProjectSummary
Posted by Thorsten Scherler <th...@juntadeandalucia.es>.
Hello devs,
in this wiki I puted some FIXME. So feel free to fill the gaps.
Maybe we can add some more prepared buzilla queries to that page, so
that user can easier get started with bugzilla ;-).
I used the Cocoon ProjektManagement Site as template for the page. There
is a point virtual meeting. Is somebody interessted in having them on a
regular basis? Maybe once per month or something like that?
What do you think?
thorsten
Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> Hello devs,
>
> I have added the page:
> http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=ProjectManagementLenya
>
> King regards
> thorsten
>
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Re: [WIKI] Wishlist4Lenya
Posted by Rolf Kulemann <ro...@apache.org>.
On Mon, 2004-05-17 at 21:55, Thomas Hartwig wrote:
> [...]
> LenyaIssues is obsolet.
True. I removed the link.
Seems u have a lucky hand for the Lenya wiki.
Thanks :)
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Re: [WIKI] Wishlist4Lenya
Posted by Rolf Kulemann <ro...@apache.org>.
On Mon, 2004-05-17 at 21:55, Thomas Hartwig wrote:
> Andreas Kuckartz wrote:
> > Rolf Kulemann wrote:
> >
> >
> >>>I have added the page
> >>>http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=Wishlist4Lenya in the Todo
> >>>section of http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=Lenya
> >>
> >>Cool, but I think it is better if u create bugzilla entries for feature
> >>requests. That way we can directly assign the appropriate milestones
> >>after review of the entry.
> >
> >
> > I agree.
> >
> > There currently exist at least four Wiki-pages containing suggestions and
> > wishes: LenyaIssues, Lenya2.0, Lenya1.4, Wishlist4Lenya
>
> LenyaIssues is obsolet.
> Lenya2.0 and Lenya1.4 are not very well structured and seem not to be a
> real plan for the releases despite they suppose to be something like
> that. No user will use these ones to suggest something!
>
> I have seen you are using the key "Target Milestone" in bugzilla.
> I would highly recommend to reassemble these pages "LenyaIssues",
> "Lenya1.4", "Leny2.0" to bugzilla and leave one page for open discussion
> with the end user. (Of course with a clear pointer to Bugzilla.)
Ok, IMHO u are absolutely right. I will go and remove Lenya1.4 for since
this was just a scratchpad for me in a late night :)
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Re: [WIKI] Wishlist4Lenya
Posted by Thomas Hartwig <t....@crapoud.com>.
Andreas Kuckartz wrote:
> Rolf Kulemann wrote:
>
>
>>>I have added the page
>>>http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=Wishlist4Lenya in the Todo
>>>section of http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=Lenya
>>
>>Cool, but I think it is better if u create bugzilla entries for feature
>>requests. That way we can directly assign the appropriate milestones
>>after review of the entry.
>
>
> I agree.
>
> There currently exist at least four Wiki-pages containing suggestions and
> wishes: LenyaIssues, Lenya2.0, Lenya1.4, Wishlist4Lenya
LenyaIssues is obsolet.
Lenya2.0 and Lenya1.4 are not very well structured and seem not to be a
real plan for the releases despite they suppose to be something like
that. No user will use these ones to suggest something!
I have seen you are using the key "Target Milestone" in bugzilla.
I would highly recommend to reassemble these pages "LenyaIssues",
"Lenya1.4", "Leny2.0" to bugzilla and leave one page for open discussion
with the end user. (Of course with a clear pointer to Bugzilla.)
Thomas
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Re: [WIKI] Wishlist4Lenya
Posted by Andreas Kuckartz <A....@ping.de>.
Rolf Kulemann wrote:
> > I have added the page
> > http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=Wishlist4Lenya in the Todo
> > section of http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=Lenya
>
> Cool, but I think it is better if u create bugzilla entries for feature
> requests. That way we can directly assign the appropriate milestones
> after review of the entry.
I agree.
There currently exist at least four Wiki-pages containing suggestions and
wishes: LenyaIssues, Lenya2.0, Lenya1.4, Wishlist4Lenya
Andreas
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Re: [WIKI] Wishlist4Lenya
Posted by Andreas Hartmann <an...@apache.org>.
Rolf Kulemann wrote:
> On Mon, 2004-05-17 at 18:58, Thomas Hartwig wrote:
>
>>Hello,
>>
>>I have added the page
>>http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=Wishlist4Lenya in the Todo
>>section of http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=Lenya
>
>
> Cool, but I think it is better if u create bugzilla entries for feature
> requests. That way we can directly assign the appropriate milestones
> after review of the entry.
+1
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Re: [WIKI] Wishlist4Lenya
Posted by "Gregor J. Rothfuss" <gr...@apache.org>.
Rolf Kulemann wrote:
>>I have added the page
>>http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=Wishlist4Lenya in the Todo
>>section of http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=Lenya
>
> Cool, but I think it is better if u create bugzilla entries for feature
> requests. That way we can directly assign the appropriate milestones
> after review of the entry.
+1
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Re: [WIKI] Wishlist4Lenya
Posted by Andreas Hartmann <an...@apache.org>.
Hartwig, Thomas wrote:
[...]
> -1 delete the extra wishlist
> 0 encourage the end user to query and post into bugzilla
> +1 keep a common wishlist for reviewing and discussing before enter into
> bugzilla
How about encouraging the end user to post his wish on
lenya-users? Then we can discuss whether it is something
new and worth to be considered (--> Bugzilla).
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Re: [WIKI] Wishlist4Lenya
Posted by "Scherler, Thorsten" <th...@apache.org>.
Hartwig, Thomas wrote:
[...]
> I'm afraid bugzilla is a too high barrier for a end user to post to, and
> bugzilla is a tool for devs.
I can understand you there. I would love to use another project
management tool then bugzilla. Like you stated bugzilla is quite scary
for a user that just want to add feature request. ...and I strongly
believe that nearly no one will look up the feature he want, because he
don't know how!
...but if you do then you more then welcome to use it because it is for
us devs heaps easier!
>
> Thomas
>
Thank you very much for your input, Thomas. It helps us a lot!
Keep it up ;-)!
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Re: [WIKI] Wishlist4Lenya
Posted by Rolf Kulemann <ro...@apache.org>.
On Mon, 2004-05-17 at 19:27, Hartwig, Thomas wrote:
> Rolf Kulemann wrote:
> > On Mon, 2004-05-17 at 18:58, Thomas Hartwig wrote:
> >
> >>Hello,
> >>
> >>I have added the page
> >>http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=Wishlist4Lenya in the Todo
> >>section of http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=Lenya
> >
> >
> > Cool, but I think it is better if u create bugzilla entries for feature
> > requests. That way we can directly assign the appropriate milestones
> > after review of the entry.
>
> I'm afraid bugzilla is a too high barrier for a end user to post to,
In general u are right at this point.
> and
> bugzilla is a tool for devs.
No, thats not true. It is for everyone who feels to use it. That is also
welcome and appreciated. Using bugzilla is a very efficient way (for
[power] users) to communicate with developers to get real outcome and
consequences of reports.
> An user don't know how to split a feature
> into tasks and wishes are often very global if you understand what I
> mean.
Developers will reorganize bugzilla entries if appropriate. That is part
of their job.
> (For me I'm familar with bugzilla ;-) and I know how to difficult
> it is to get someone to post into it)
So u are a power user :)
>
> At least it is a decision of you the devs. If you like I will change the
> Wishlistpage to a text like this:
>
> "If you have a suggestion or feature requests, please look into bugzilla
> first by searching for features. Then feel free to post your request
> directly into bugzilla".
+1
and please add ur requests to bugzilla. If not
-1
>
> So decide:
>
> -1 delete the extra wishlist
> 0 encourage the end user to query and post into bugzilla
> +1 keep a common wishlist for reviewing and discussing before enter into
> bugzilla
See above.
Thank u very much for your comments.
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Re: [WIKI] Wishlist4Lenya
Posted by "Hartwig, Thomas" <t....@crapoud.com>.
Rolf Kulemann wrote:
> On Mon, 2004-05-17 at 18:58, Thomas Hartwig wrote:
>
>>Hello,
>>
>>I have added the page
>>http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=Wishlist4Lenya in the Todo
>>section of http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=Lenya
>
>
> Cool, but I think it is better if u create bugzilla entries for feature
> requests. That way we can directly assign the appropriate milestones
> after review of the entry.
I'm afraid bugzilla is a too high barrier for a end user to post to, and
bugzilla is a tool for devs. An user don't know how to split a feature
into tasks and wishes are often very global if you understand what I
mean. (For me I'm familar with bugzilla ;-) and I know how to difficult
it is to get someone to post into it)
At least it is a decision of you the devs. If you like I will change the
Wishlistpage to a text like this:
"If you have a suggestion or feature requests, please look into bugzilla
first by searching for features. Then feel free to post your request
directly into bugzilla".
So decide:
-1 delete the extra wishlist
0 encourage the end user to query and post into bugzilla
+1 keep a common wishlist for reviewing and discussing before enter into
bugzilla
Thomas
Re: [WIKI] Wishlist4Lenya
Posted by Rolf Kulemann <ro...@apache.org>.
On Mon, 2004-05-17 at 18:58, Thomas Hartwig wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have added the page
> http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=Wishlist4Lenya in the Todo
> section of http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=Lenya
Cool, but I think it is better if u create bugzilla entries for feature
requests. That way we can directly assign the appropriate milestones
after review of the entry.
WDYT?
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[WIKI] Wishlist4Lenya
Posted by Thomas Hartwig <t....@crapoud.com>.
Hello,
I have added the page
http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=Wishlist4Lenya in the Todo
section of http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=Lenya
I think this is better than post wishes directly in the Lenya1.4 or
Lenya2.0 pages, since other users can't decide where their wishes have
to go to.
Thomas
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