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Posted to users@spamassassin.apache.org by Mark London <mr...@psfc.mit.edu> on 2020/07/10 22:32:18 UTC
Linux, Twitter, Mysql, Github, etc, all plan to remove blacklist and
whitelist, master and slave.
Spamassassin is not alone.
https://www.google.com/search?q=whitelist+blacklist&rlz=1C1CHBD_enUS893US893&sxsrf=ALeKk02i5oEeNFMyRbCSyvz1P74SAG8W8A:1594419806351&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiwobjR3MPqAhVUknIEHbzFCdwQ_AUoAXoECA0QAw&biw=1008&bih=5900
RE: Linux, Twitter, Mysql, Github, etc, all plan to remove blacklist
and whitelist, master and slave.
Posted by John Hardin <jh...@impsec.org>.
On Sat, 11 Jul 2020, Marc Roos wrote:
>> I don't see a problem since blacklist/whitelist are terms the computer
>> industry just grabbed from hotel reservation desks or some place like
>> that. It's not going to stop their use by the general public of course.
>
> I think you can go a bit further, like 1000 BC in chinese culture yin
> yang ;)
Oooo, *good* point.
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RE: Linux, Twitter, Mysql, Github, etc, all plan to remove blacklist and whitelist, master and slave.
Posted by Marc Roos <M....@f1-outsourcing.eu>.
> I don't see a problem since blacklist/whitelist are terms the computer
industry
> just grabbed from hotel reservation desks or some place like that.
It's not
> going to stop their use by the general public of course.
I think you can go a bit further, like 1000 BC in chinese culture yin
yang ;)
Re: Linux, Twitter, Mysql, Github, etc, all plan to remove blacklist
and whitelist, master and slave.
Posted by Ted Mittelstaedt <te...@ipinc.net>.
I don't see a problem since blacklist/whitelist are terms the computer
industry just grabbed from hotel reservation desks or some place like
that. It's not going to stop their use by the general public of course.
As for master/slave those were picked up by mechanical designers and
borrowed for computer programming and I can't imagine 2 more
conservative, stick-in-the-mud groups. After 2-3 generations you MIGHT
get master/slave excised from computer programming and system admin
documentation but the mechanical people have been using those terms with
machines for over a century and they will _never_ give those
terms up. Not to mention that in the past quite a lot of white people
have been slaves as whites have enslaved whites for a couple thousand
years before the US was a country.
But I personally don't really care one way or another.
Now I would say that they jumped the shark if they try to get rid of the
terms "male/female" with connectors!
Hopefully everyone realizes that all of this will go away after
November it's just a reaction to the current political Party in Power
in the US. 45 just pardoned yet another of his criminal friends
today so it's like they are now just going all-out trying to destroy
as much stuff as possible before they are booted in November. It's like
the bank robbers got caught and said "I guess if everyone knows we might
as well rob the bank anyway!"
Ted
On 7/10/2020 3:32 PM, Mark London wrote:
> Spamassassin is not alone.
>
> https://www.google.com/search?q=whitelist+blacklist&rlz=1C1CHBD_enUS893US893&sxsrf=ALeKk02i5oEeNFMyRbCSyvz1P74SAG8W8A:1594419806351&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiwobjR3MPqAhVUknIEHbzFCdwQ_AUoAXoECA0QAw&biw=1008&bih=5900
>
>
Re: Linux, Twitter, Mysql, Github, etc, all plan to remove blacklist and whitelist, master and slave.
Posted by Cecil Westerhof <Ce...@decebal.nl>.
Mark London <mr...@psfc.mit.edu> writes:
> Spamassassin is not alone.
And that is how dictatorships and injustices are created: blindly
following, because a lot of others do.
<sarcasm>
Hitler, Mussolini and Franco where the worst.
Luckily we also had the saviours, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot.
</sarcasm>
--
Cecil Westerhof
Senior Software Engineer
LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/cecilwesterhof
RE: Linux, Twitter, Mysql, Github, etc, all plan to remove blacklist and whitelist, master and slave.
Posted by Marc Roos <M....@f1-outsourcing.eu>.
>On 2020-07-11 00:32, Mark London wrote:
>> Spamassassin is not alone.
>
>Quote:
>"If a lot of people believe in something stupid, it just doesn't stop
being stupid".
But in a democracy you will have a problem with this.
RE: Linux, Twitter, Mysql, Github, etc, all plan to remove blacklist and whitelist, master and slave.
Posted by Marc Roos <M....@f1-outsourcing.eu>.
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Re: Linux, Twitter, Mysql, Github, etc, all plan to remove blacklist
and whitelist, master and slave.
Posted by Andrea Venturoli <ml...@netfence.it>.
On 2020-07-11 00:32, Mark London wrote:
> Spamassassin is not alone.
Quote:
"If a lot of people believe in something stupid, it just doesn't stop
being stupid".
Re: Linux, Twitter, Mysql, Github, etc, all plan to remove blacklist
and whitelist, master and slave.
Posted by Mark London <mr...@psfc.mit.edu>.
"As programmers, our day to day work doesn’t typically present us with
opportunities to take a stand against racism. Situations like this are
opportunities to be the change we want to see. When you get that
opportunity and you don’t act, or even worse, you defend the status quo."
That quote was from a 2018 blog:
https://blog.carbonfive.com/problematic-terminology-in-open-source/
According to Wikipedia, Master/Slave was changed by IBM,[8]
Microsoft,[9] Engine Yard,[10] Amazon Web Services/Amazon Relational
Database Service,[11] as well as in Python,[12] Django,[13][14]
Drupal,[15] CouchDB,[16] and Redis:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master/slave_(technology)#Terminology_concerns
The creator of Redis initially resisted the change of master/slave, and
he received many "colorful" responses to his view at that time, which
are worth reading:
http://antirez.com/news/122
Eventually, he decided to make the change, and also received many
"interesting" responses:
https://github.com/redis/redis/issues/5335
Arguing for or against the change in terms, would have been useful when
it was originally proposed, years ago. But since the terms are being
changed in the software world, arguing now is pointless. Things are
changing, whether people like it or not.
The year 2000 didn't bring changes that people expected. But the year
2020, certainly has.
Re: Linux, Twitter, Mysql, Github, etc, all plan to remove blacklist
and whitelist, master and slave.
Posted by Mauricio Tavares <ra...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 10:24 PM Mark London <mr...@psfc.mit.edu> wrote:
>
> The proposed name changes were proposed for many years in the software
> community. For example in 2014, Drupal opted to use "primary/replica"
> instead, and Django followed suit the same year with
> "leader/follower". In 2018, there apparently was a renewed interest
> in changing the names by many others. For example, I found:
>
Good thing everyone on this planet speaks not only English but
American (American shows do tend to put captions when a British person
is speaking) language and has a thesaurus on standby so they will
*instinctively* primary=leader=uaoo, unless on Tuesdays, and
replica=follower=Neee on Fridays but might also be secondary if the
4th moo cow is farting at a 35 degree off the ecliptic. Well, they
better because if their American-to-Swahili dictionary does not have
all the synonyms, including the one created a few moments ago and only
used in the new version of the SDK they use, the Diversity & Inclusion
Police (DIP) will take them away and throw them in a pain amplifier
for the remaining of their lives for Failing to Fit In (FFI).
> https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-knodel-terminology-00.html
>
> So this issue is nothing new, and the arguments on this issue, that have
> been occurring on this mailing list, have already occurred.
>
If these arguments are still occurring today, could it be a
reason other than Trump creating a bunch of fake emails and tweeting
all the replies including this one?
> - Mark
>
Re: Linux, Twitter, Mysql, Github, etc, all plan to remove blacklist
and whitelist, master and slave.
Posted by Mark London <mr...@psfc.mit.edu>.
The proposed name changes were proposed for many years in the software
community. For example in 2014, Drupal opted to use "primary/replica"
instead, and Django followed suit the same year with
"leader/follower". In 2018, there apparently was a renewed interest
in changing the names by many others. For example, I found:
https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-knodel-terminology-00.html
So this issue is nothing new, and the arguments on this issue, that have
been occurring on this mailing list, have already occurred.
- Mark
On 7/10/2020 7:18 PM, Marc Roos wrote:
>
> Pfffff, twitter, microsoft, oracle all billion dollar companies only
> removing some words???? The news is full of black minorities having
> higher risk of death in coronavirus. Unemployment is highest amongst
> ethnic minorities. And these companies are only concerned filling their
> pockets, storing their money in tax havens. You have in the states
> famous people bribe good schools so their kids can attend (at the
> expense of others). It is just a fucking insult to ethnic minorities
> having such companies talking only about changing words!
>
> Wtf this Amazon guy 150 billion, the most greediest man on the planet!!!
> Let me guess, his employees get paid lowest on the market????
>
> I would think twice mentioning such companies as examples. Don't forget
> Zuckerberg called facebook users 'dumb fucks', that is the standard at
> such companies.
>
> [1]
> https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-25/dumb-f-ks-julian-assange-reminds-us-what-mark-zuckerberg-thinks-facebook-users
>
>
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> Subject: Linux, Twitter, Mysql, Github, etc, all plan to remove
> blacklist and whitelist, master and slave.
>
> Spamassassin is not alone.
>
> https://www.google.com/search?q=whitelist+blacklist&rlz=1C1CHBD_enUS893US893&sxsrf=ALeKk02i5oEeNFMyRbCSyvz1P74SAG8W8A:1594419806351&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiwobjR3MPqAhVUknIEHbzFCdwQ_AUoAXoECA0QAw&biw=1008&bih=5900
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>
>
RE: Linux, Twitter, Mysql, Github, etc, all plan to remove blacklist and whitelist, master and slave.
Posted by Marc Roos <M....@f1-outsourcing.eu>.
Pfffff, twitter, microsoft, oracle all billion dollar companies only
removing some words???? The news is full of black minorities having
higher risk of death in coronavirus. Unemployment is highest amongst
ethnic minorities. And these companies are only concerned filling their
pockets, storing their money in tax havens. You have in the states
famous people bribe good schools so their kids can attend (at the
expense of others). It is just a fucking insult to ethnic minorities
having such companies talking only about changing words!
Wtf this Amazon guy 150 billion, the most greediest man on the planet!!!
Let me guess, his employees get paid lowest on the market????
I would think twice mentioning such companies as examples. Don't forget
Zuckerberg called facebook users 'dumb fucks', that is the standard at
such companies.
[1]
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-25/dumb-f-ks-julian-assange-reminds-us-what-mark-zuckerberg-thinks-facebook-users
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Subject: Linux, Twitter, Mysql, Github, etc, all plan to remove
blacklist and whitelist, master and slave.
Spamassassin is not alone.
https://www.google.com/search?q=whitelist+blacklist&rlz=1C1CHBD_enUS893US893&sxsrf=ALeKk02i5oEeNFMyRbCSyvz1P74SAG8W8A:1594419806351&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiwobjR3MPqAhVUknIEHbzFCdwQ_AUoAXoECA0QAw&biw=1008&bih=5900