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[jira] Commented: (TAPESTRY-336) Change default binding of "tag" parameter in Submit component to "literal"
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TAPESTRY-336?page=comments#action_66425 ]
Richard Lewis-Shell commented on TAPESTRY-336:
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I am not sure this is a good idea. All the time of time I have used tag I've used it to select a real object, not just a String. Just me?
> Change default binding of "tag" parameter in Submit component to "literal"
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Key: TAPESTRY-336
> URL: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TAPESTRY-336
> Project: Tapestry
> Type: Improvement
> Components: Framework
> Versions: 4.0
> Reporter: Paul Ferraro
> Priority: Minor
>
> The default binding of the "tag" parameter in the Submit component should be changed from "ognl" to "literal" since it is usually bound to a literal string.
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Re: [jira] Commented: (TAPESTRY-336) Change default binding of "tag" parameter in Submit component to "literal"
Posted by Erik Hatcher <er...@ehatchersolutions.com>.
It's in Howard's hands on whether this should be changed back to
always being a default of literal. After seeing the confusion it has
already caused, it seems literal across the board is worth reverting
back to. But either way is fine with me.
Erik
On May 27, 2005, at 3:30 PM, Howard Lewis Ship wrote:
> In many cases, the default-binding should not be specified; that way
> it will indicate a literal in templates and an OGNL expression in
> specifications.
>
> I *really* like this style of development, but it is perfectly
> acceptible to always use an ognl: prefix as well. It's kind of like
> people who always use this. in front of every instance variable name.
>
>
> On 5/27/05, Paul Ferraro <pm...@columbia.edu> wrote:
>
>> I added this issue in response to a problem a user encountered
>> converting from 3.0 to 4.0. People seemed surprised that the tag
>> parameter expected an ognl expression and not a literal. I think the
>> larger issue is that users are finding default bindings to be a
>> source
>> of confusion. Especially since every parameter in 3.0, including
>> informal ones, were literal unless otherwise indicated. Some
>> users have
>> taken to *always* using a binding prefix - so it appears that this
>> feature is not entirely successful since it's intent was to save
>> keystrokes. Thoughts?
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> Richard Lewis-Shell (JIRA) wrote:
>>
>>
>>> [ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TAPESTRY-336?
>>> page=comments#action_66425 ]
>>>
>>> Richard Lewis-Shell commented on TAPESTRY-336:
>>> ----------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> I am not sure this is a good idea. All the time of time I have
>>> used tag I've used it to select a real object, not just a
>>> String. Just me?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Change default binding of "tag" parameter in Submit component to
>>>> "literal"
>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> -------
>>>>
>>>> Key: TAPESTRY-336
>>>> URL: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TAPESTRY-336
>>>> Project: Tapestry
>>>> Type: Improvement
>>>> Components: Framework
>>>> Versions: 4.0
>>>> Reporter: Paul Ferraro
>>>> Priority: Minor
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> The default binding of the "tag" parameter in the Submit
>>>> component should be changed from "ognl" to "literal" since it is
>>>> usually bound to a literal string.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [jira] Commented: (TAPESTRY-336) Change default binding of "tag" parameter in Submit component to "literal"
Posted by Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com>.
In many cases, the default-binding should not be specified; that way
it will indicate a literal in templates and an OGNL expression in
specifications.
I *really* like this style of development, but it is perfectly
acceptible to always use an ognl: prefix as well. It's kind of like
people who always use this. in front of every instance variable name.
On 5/27/05, Paul Ferraro <pm...@columbia.edu> wrote:
> I added this issue in response to a problem a user encountered
> converting from 3.0 to 4.0. People seemed surprised that the tag
> parameter expected an ognl expression and not a literal. I think the
> larger issue is that users are finding default bindings to be a source
> of confusion. Especially since every parameter in 3.0, including
> informal ones, were literal unless otherwise indicated. Some users have
> taken to *always* using a binding prefix - so it appears that this
> feature is not entirely successful since it's intent was to save
> keystrokes. Thoughts?
>
> Paul
>
> Richard Lewis-Shell (JIRA) wrote:
>
> > [ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TAPESTRY-336?page=comments#action_66425 ]
> >
> >Richard Lewis-Shell commented on TAPESTRY-336:
> >----------------------------------------------
> >
> >I am not sure this is a good idea. All the time of time I have used tag I've used it to select a real object, not just a String. Just me?
> >
> >
> >
> >>Change default binding of "tag" parameter in Submit component to "literal"
> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Key: TAPESTRY-336
> >> URL: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TAPESTRY-336
> >> Project: Tapestry
> >> Type: Improvement
> >> Components: Framework
> >> Versions: 4.0
> >> Reporter: Paul Ferraro
> >> Priority: Minor
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >>The default binding of the "tag" parameter in the Submit component should be changed from "ognl" to "literal" since it is usually bound to a literal string.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: [jira] Commented: (TAPESTRY-336) Change default binding of "tag"
parameter in Submit component to "literal"
Posted by Richard Lewis-Shell <rl...@mac.com>.
Perhaps it would simplify things then to make template bindings always
use literal prefix by default, but allow specification bindings to
default differently. That way the template bindings would work the same
as Tapestry 3.
Richard
Paul Ferraro wrote:
> I added this issue in response to a problem a user encountered
> converting from 3.0 to 4.0. People seemed surprised that the tag
> parameter expected an ognl expression and not a literal. I think the
> larger issue is that users are finding default bindings to be a source
> of confusion. Especially since every parameter in 3.0, including
> informal ones, were literal unless otherwise indicated. Some users have
> taken to *always* using a binding prefix - so it appears that this
> feature is not entirely successful since it's intent was to save
> keystrokes. Thoughts?
>
> Paul
>
> Richard Lewis-Shell (JIRA) wrote:
>
>> [
>> http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TAPESTRY-336?page=comments#action_66425
>> ]
>> Richard Lewis-Shell commented on TAPESTRY-336:
>> ----------------------------------------------
>>
>> I am not sure this is a good idea. All the time of time I have used
>> tag I've used it to select a real object, not just a String. Just me?
>>
>>
>>
>>> Change default binding of "tag" parameter in Submit component to
>>> "literal"
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> Key: TAPESTRY-336
>>> URL: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TAPESTRY-336
>>> Project: Tapestry
>>> Type: Improvement
>>> Components: Framework
>>> Versions: 4.0
>>> Reporter: Paul Ferraro
>>> Priority: Minor
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> The default binding of the "tag" parameter in the Submit component
>>> should be changed from "ognl" to "literal" since it is usually bound
>>> to a literal string.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: [jira] Commented: (TAPESTRY-336) Change default binding of "tag"
parameter in Submit component to "literal"
Posted by Paul Ferraro <pm...@columbia.edu>.
I added this issue in response to a problem a user encountered
converting from 3.0 to 4.0. People seemed surprised that the tag
parameter expected an ognl expression and not a literal. I think the
larger issue is that users are finding default bindings to be a source
of confusion. Especially since every parameter in 3.0, including
informal ones, were literal unless otherwise indicated. Some users have
taken to *always* using a binding prefix - so it appears that this
feature is not entirely successful since it's intent was to save
keystrokes. Thoughts?
Paul
Richard Lewis-Shell (JIRA) wrote:
> [ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TAPESTRY-336?page=comments#action_66425 ]
>
>Richard Lewis-Shell commented on TAPESTRY-336:
>----------------------------------------------
>
>I am not sure this is a good idea. All the time of time I have used tag I've used it to select a real object, not just a String. Just me?
>
>
>
>>Change default binding of "tag" parameter in Submit component to "literal"
>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Key: TAPESTRY-336
>> URL: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TAPESTRY-336
>> Project: Tapestry
>> Type: Improvement
>> Components: Framework
>> Versions: 4.0
>> Reporter: Paul Ferraro
>> Priority: Minor
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>The default binding of the "tag" parameter in the Submit component should be changed from "ognl" to "literal" since it is usually bound to a literal string.
>>
>>
>
>
>
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