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[vote] scope of 1.4
i'd like us to vote on the scope of 1.4 as described in these 2 documents:
http://wiki.apache.org/lenya/ProjectPlanning14
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/lenya-dev/200502.mbox/%3c4210086E.7060207@apache.org%3e
this means:
- XmlHttp sitetree (almost complete)
- publication templating (complete)
- flow based usecase framework (complete)
- new publication API (complete)
- new menu implementation (complete)
- replace all actions / XSP with the usecase framework (almost complete)
plus the various loose ends from the wiki page, but no JCR.
here is my +1
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Re: [vote] scope of 1.4
Posted by Doug Chestnut <dh...@virginia.edu>.
Gregor J. Rothfuss wrote:
> J. Wolfgang Kaltz wrote:
>
>> I believe we should add
>>
>> "- new lightweight repository; repository abstraction layer (almost
>> complete)"
>
>
> +1
+1
>
>> to the scope. It is already in the existing alpha release, and is the
>> abstraction which will eventually allow us (or a custom implementer)
>> to integrate Lenya + JCR (see previous mail for details)
>
>
> agreed. this is in line with our plans for repository integration:
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/lenya/ProposalRepository
>
> the sitetree hack, however, is not.
+1
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Re: [vote] scope of 1.4
Posted by "Gregor J. Rothfuss" <gr...@apache.org>.
J. Wolfgang Kaltz wrote:
> I believe we should add
>
> "- new lightweight repository; repository abstraction layer (almost
> complete)"
+1
> to the scope. It is already in the existing alpha release, and is the
> abstraction which will eventually allow us (or a custom implementer) to
> integrate Lenya + JCR (see previous mail for details)
agreed. this is in line with our plans for repository integration:
http://wiki.apache.org/lenya/ProposalRepository
the sitetree hack, however, is not.
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Re: [vote] scope of 1.4
Posted by "Gregor J. Rothfuss" <gr...@apache.org>.
J. Wolfgang Kaltz wrote:
> Michael Wechner schrieb:
>> (...)
>> it seems to me that consensus is being found, because it seems to me that
>> I am the only one who wants JCR integration.
>
> As I tried to explain yesterday, we have been following a top-down
> approach and have in fact already spent a lot of development time
> towards making Lenya compatible with an alternative backend such as JCR.
> You might recall, for example, the long discussions concerning the
> changes in the document creation API, which were triggered by the work
> towards a repository. So not only is that kind of work non-trivial, but
> also requires perseverance. So saying you are the only one interested in
> JCR work is, quite frankly, incomprehensible to me. What is true is that
> I don't have time right at this moment to continue this work; but having
> spent quite a bit of time on actually *working* towards this goal in the
> Lenya core, it's quite strange to hear someone claiming they are the
> only one interested in it.
>
> I would really prefer to discuss the issue of JCR integration at a
> technical level. If you disagree with the approach followed so far,
> please say why, and how exactly you propose to address the issues
> raised, at a design+technical level.
+ 1
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Re: [vote] scope of 1.4
Posted by Michael Wechner <mi...@wyona.com>.
J. Wolfgang Kaltz wrote:
> Michael Wechner schrieb:
>
>> J. Wolfgang Kaltz wrote:
>> (...)
>> I am not saying I am the only interested in, but the only one voting
>> +1 to insert JCR right now, or did miscount something?
>
>
> OK, I misunderstood you, sorry for overreacting.
that's ok
> In fact I very much appreciate you joining the 1.4 parade :)
>
> As regards JCR & 1.4, there does appear to be consensus that the scope
> of 1.4 includes the basis for enabling JCR (this basis is Lenya's new
> content abstraction layer), but Lenya 1.4.0 need not necessarily
> provide JCR.
the important thing is to have the Lenya protocol in place everywhere.
Michi
>
>
> --
> Wolfgang
>
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Re: [vote] scope of 1.4
Posted by "J. Wolfgang Kaltz" <ka...@interactivesystems.info>.
Michael Wechner schrieb:
> J. Wolfgang Kaltz wrote:
> (...)
> I am not saying I am the only interested in, but the only one voting +1
> to insert JCR right now, or did miscount something?
OK, I misunderstood you, sorry for overreacting.
In fact I very much appreciate you joining the 1.4 parade :)
As regards JCR & 1.4, there does appear to be consensus that the scope
of 1.4 includes the basis for enabling JCR (this basis is Lenya's new
content abstraction layer), but Lenya 1.4.0 need not necessarily provide
JCR.
--
Wolfgang
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Re: [vote] scope of 1.4
Posted by Doug Chestnut <ch...@apache.org>.
Michael Wechner wrote:
> J. Wolfgang Kaltz wrote:
>
>> Michael Wechner schrieb:
>>
>>> (...)
>>> it seems to me that consensus is being found, because it seems to me
>>> that
>>> I am the only one who wants JCR integration.
>>
>>
>>
>> As I tried to explain yesterday, we have been following a top-down
>> approach and have in fact already spent a lot of development time
>> towards making Lenya compatible with an alternative backend such as
>> JCR. You might recall, for example, the long discussions concerning
>> the changes in the document creation API, which were triggered by the
>> work towards a repository. So not only is that kind of work
>> non-trivial, but also requires perseverance. So saying you are the
>> only one interested in JCR work is, quite frankly,
>
>
>
> I am not saying I am the only interested in, but the only one voting +1
> to insert JCR right now, or did miscount something?
I would give my +1 to JCR in 1.4 if it follows Andreas' polymorphic
approach or Wolfgang's top-down approach (From my understanding, both
approaches are the same and are current goals in the 1.4 release).
JCR integration is something that I am very interested in, and am
looking forward to.
I would hate to see the current stability of 1.4 thrown out the door by
introducing JCR in the bottom-up approach that Wolfgang described. I
don't know about others, but this would certainly disrupt my plans for
lenya 1.4.
Publication templating and the 1.4 usecase model are the reasons that I
am planning on rolling with 1.4 for a large scale rollout. I am
assuming that moving my publications to JCR will be relatively painless.
--Doug
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Re: [vote] scope of 1.4
Posted by Michael Wechner <mi...@wyona.com>.
J. Wolfgang Kaltz wrote:
> Michael Wechner schrieb:
>
>> (...)
>> it seems to me that consensus is being found, because it seems to me
>> that
>> I am the only one who wants JCR integration.
>
>
> As I tried to explain yesterday, we have been following a top-down
> approach and have in fact already spent a lot of development time
> towards making Lenya compatible with an alternative backend such as
> JCR. You might recall, for example, the long discussions concerning
> the changes in the document creation API, which were triggered by the
> work towards a repository. So not only is that kind of work
> non-trivial, but also requires perseverance. So saying you are the
> only one interested in JCR work is, quite frankly,
I am not saying I am the only interested in, but the only one voting +1
to insert JCR right now, or did miscount something?
> incomprehensible to me. What is true is that I don't have time right
> at this moment to continue this work; but having spent quite a bit of
> time on actually *working* towards this goal in the Lenya core, it's
> quite strange to hear someone claiming they are the only one
> interested in it.
I didn't say that
>
> I would really prefer to discuss the issue of JCR integration at a
> technical level. If you disagree with the approach followed so far,
> please say why, and how exactly you propose to address the issues
> raised, at a design+technical level.
see my other emails re blog publication using lenya:// within the sitemap to
actually use the RepositoryLayer universally within Lenya.
Michi
>
>
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Re: [vote] scope of 1.4
Posted by "J. Wolfgang Kaltz" <ka...@interactivesystems.info>.
Michael Wechner schrieb:
> (...)
> it seems to me that consensus is being found, because it seems to me that
> I am the only one who wants JCR integration.
As I tried to explain yesterday, we have been following a top-down
approach and have in fact already spent a lot of development time
towards making Lenya compatible with an alternative backend such as JCR.
You might recall, for example, the long discussions concerning the
changes in the document creation API, which were triggered by the work
towards a repository. So not only is that kind of work non-trivial, but
also requires perseverance. So saying you are the only one interested in
JCR work is, quite frankly, incomprehensible to me. What is true is that
I don't have time right at this moment to continue this work; but having
spent quite a bit of time on actually *working* towards this goal in the
Lenya core, it's quite strange to hear someone claiming they are the
only one interested in it.
I would really prefer to discuss the issue of JCR integration at a
technical level. If you disagree with the approach followed so far,
please say why, and how exactly you propose to address the issues
raised, at a design+technical level.
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Re: [vote] scope of 1.4
Posted by Michael Wechner <mi...@wyona.com>.
J. Wolfgang Kaltz wrote:
> Gregor J. Rothfuss schrieb:
>
>> i'd like us to vote on the scope of 1.4 as described in these 2
>> documents:
>>
>> http://wiki.apache.org/lenya/ProjectPlanning14
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/lenya-dev/200502.mbox/%3c4210086E.7060207@apache.org%3e
>>
>>
>> this means:
>>
>> - XmlHttp sitetree (almost complete)
>> - publication templating (complete)
>> - flow based usecase framework (complete)
>> - new publication API (complete)
>> - new menu implementation (complete)
>> - replace all actions / XSP with the usecase framework (almost complete)
>>
>> plus the various loose ends from the wiki page, but no JCR.
>>
>> here is my +1
>
>
> I believe we should add
>
> "- new lightweight repository; repository abstraction layer (almost
> complete)"
>
> to the scope. It is already in the existing alpha release, and is the
> abstraction which will eventually allow us (or a custom implementer)
> to integrate Lenya + JCR (see previous mail for details)
if the lightweight interface
org/apache/lenya/cms/cocoon/source/RepositorySource.java
is really used "universally" within Lenya then this would definitely
help and
simplify JCR integration a lot.
>
> IMHO if it is made clear that this feature is a part of 1.4, we will
> be able to reach a consensus regarding the scope of 1.4
it seems to me that consensus is being found, because it seems to me that
I am the only one who wants JCR integration. But I need some more time
to play a bit with the Lenya RepositorySource to make up my mind and place
my vote re the scope
Michi
>
>
> --
> Wolfgang
>
>
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Re: [vote] scope of 1.4
Posted by Andreas Hartmann <an...@apache.org>.
J. Wolfgang Kaltz wrote:
> Gregor J. Rothfuss schrieb:
>
>> i'd like us to vote on the scope of 1.4 as described in these 2
>> documents:
>>
>> http://wiki.apache.org/lenya/ProjectPlanning14
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/lenya-dev/200502.mbox/%3c4210086E.7060207@apache.org%3e
>>
>>
>> this means:
>>
>> - XmlHttp sitetree (almost complete)
>> - publication templating (complete)
>> - flow based usecase framework (complete)
>> - new publication API (complete)
>> - new menu implementation (complete)
>> - replace all actions / XSP with the usecase framework (almost complete)
+1
>> plus the various loose ends from the wiki page, but no JCR.
I wouldn't exclude the JCR option, see below.
>> here is my +1
>
>
> I believe we should add
>
> "- new lightweight repository; repository abstraction layer (almost
> complete)"
>
> to the scope. It is already in the existing alpha release, and is the
> abstraction which will eventually allow us (or a custom implementer) to
> integrate Lenya + JCR (see previous mail for details)
+1
-- Andreas
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Re: [vote] scope of 1.4
Posted by "J. Wolfgang Kaltz" <ka...@interactivesystems.info>.
Gregor J. Rothfuss schrieb:
> i'd like us to vote on the scope of 1.4 as described in these 2 documents:
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/lenya/ProjectPlanning14
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/lenya-dev/200502.mbox/%3c4210086E.7060207@apache.org%3e
>
>
> this means:
>
> - XmlHttp sitetree (almost complete)
> - publication templating (complete)
> - flow based usecase framework (complete)
> - new publication API (complete)
> - new menu implementation (complete)
> - replace all actions / XSP with the usecase framework (almost complete)
>
> plus the various loose ends from the wiki page, but no JCR.
>
> here is my +1
I believe we should add
"- new lightweight repository; repository abstraction layer (almost
complete)"
to the scope. It is already in the existing alpha release, and is the
abstraction which will eventually allow us (or a custom implementer) to
integrate Lenya + JCR (see previous mail for details)
IMHO if it is made clear that this feature is a part of 1.4, we will be
able to reach a consensus regarding the scope of 1.4
--
Wolfgang
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Re: [vote] scope of 1.4
Posted by Rolf Kulemann <ro...@apache.org>.
On Wed, 2005-07-20 at 15:51 +0200, Gregor J. Rothfuss wrote:
> i'd like us to vote on the scope of 1.4 as described in these 2 documents:
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/lenya/ProjectPlanning14
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/lenya-dev/200502.mbox/%3c4210086E.7060207@apache.org%3e
>
> this means:
>
> - XmlHttp sitetree (almost complete)
> - publication templating (complete)
> - flow based usecase framework (complete)
> - new publication API (complete)
> - new menu implementation (complete)
> - replace all actions / XSP with the usecase framework (almost complete)
>
> plus the various loose ends from the wiki page, but no JCR.
>
> here is my +1
+1 (no jcr)
--
Rolf Kulemann
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