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Posted to dev@tapestry.apache.org by Lorenzo De Vito <lo...@tin.it> on 2005/07/17 22:23:34 UTC

Tapestry or Cocoon

I need to develop an application web-based for hotel management 
structured with a database (postgresql) and a separated business logic 
(using java). What's the best choice between cocoon and tapestry ?

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Re: Tapestry or Cocoon

Posted by Joachim Van der Auwera <jo...@progs.be>.
Erik Hatcher wrote:
> 
> On Jul 18, 2005, at 6:38 PM, Karthik Abram wrote:
> 
>> Cocoon is not a framework for interactive web development. It is  sad 
>> that
>> the Cocoon team took a great and innovative request-response xml  
>> processing
>> framework and tried to turn it into yawf.
> 
> 
>  From what I've heard of Cocoon's form handling, it is quite slick  with 
> a continuation-based JavaScript engine:
> 
>     http://cocoon.apache.org/2.1/userdocs/forms/index.html

That is exactly what we thought. Until we started using for really 
complex formas that is...

Now if we could have a service to include something generated by a 
cocoon pipeline, then you could have the best of both world :-)

Kind regards,
Joachim


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Re: Tapestry or Cocoon

Posted by Erik Hatcher <er...@ehatchersolutions.com>.
On Jul 18, 2005, at 6:38 PM, Karthik Abram wrote:
> Cocoon is not a framework for interactive web development. It is  
> sad that
> the Cocoon team took a great and innovative request-response xml  
> processing
> framework and tried to turn it into yawf.

 From what I've heard of Cocoon's form handling, it is quite slick  
with a continuation-based JavaScript engine:

     http://cocoon.apache.org/2.1/userdocs/forms/index.html


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RE: Tapestry or Cocoon

Posted by Karthik Abram <ka...@neovera.com>.
Cocoon is not a framework for interactive web development. It is sad that
the Cocoon team took a great and innovative request-response xml processing
framework and tried to turn it into yawf.

-----Original Message-----
From: Joachim Van der Auwera [mailto:joachim@progs.be]
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 6:06 AM
To: Tapestry development
Subject: Re: Tapestry or Cocoon


Lorenzo De Vito wrote:
> I need to develop an application web-based for hotel management
> structured with a database (postgresql) and a separated business logic
> (using java). What's the best choice between cocoon and tapestry ?

These are two very prowerful and complex web frameworks. The choice
mainly depends on what you want to achive and where you start form.

Cocoon is xml oriented and does everything using stylesheet processing.
I would say this is very useful for document oriented sites.

Tapestry is more programmer native with its component based approach. I
would say this is a much more practical framework for sites which
contains many forms.

We originally started our current project of building a thin client
application using Cocoon. Hiowever, development was very slow mainly
because xslt is difficult in complex cases, and we had many troubles
getting cocoon forms to behave as we wanted.
After some serious consideration, we moved to using Tapestry and have
been very happy about that. Development has been much faster and
smoother for us since.

However, this is the experience for our team, I can imagine you will get
just the reverse kind of comments from Cocoon followers.

Kind regards,
Joachim

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Re: Tapestry or Cocoon

Posted by Joachim Van der Auwera <jo...@progs.be>.
Lorenzo De Vito wrote:
> I need to develop an application web-based for hotel management 
> structured with a database (postgresql) and a separated business logic 
> (using java). What's the best choice between cocoon and tapestry ?

These are two very prowerful and complex web frameworks. The choice 
mainly depends on what you want to achive and where you start form.

Cocoon is xml oriented and does everything using stylesheet processing. 
I would say this is very useful for document oriented sites.

Tapestry is more programmer native with its component based approach. I 
would say this is a much more practical framework for sites which 
contains many forms.

We originally started our current project of building a thin client 
application using Cocoon. Hiowever, development was very slow mainly 
because xslt is difficult in complex cases, and we had many troubles 
getting cocoon forms to behave as we wanted.
After some serious consideration, we moved to using Tapestry and have 
been very happy about that. Development has been much faster and 
smoother for us since.

However, this is the experience for our team, I can imagine you will get 
just the reverse kind of comments from Cocoon followers.

Kind regards,
Joachim

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