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Posted to dev@sling.apache.org by "Ricky E." <ma...@gmail.com> on 2007/12/01 00:08:50 UTC

Logos (proposal 3)

http://www.kb3llm.org/apachelogo/pro3.jpg


Some text effects, and the apache feather as an underline.

I know it's plain, but does it look better than the first two?

Re: Logos (proposal 3)

Posted by Felix Meschberger <fm...@gmail.com>.
Hi Ricki,

I know this still needs some polishing.

My bet would be to have 3 with the feather at the position as in 3a and
remove reflection alltogether. I have to admit, I find this outstanding,
attracting dot interesting. I would keep it.

Regards
Felix

Am Samstag, den 01.12.2007, 08:14 -0500 schrieb Ricky E.:
> ok -
> 
> The dot on the I i did draw myself because the one that was there by  
> default looked really bad, but I put the one that was native to the  
> font back.
> 
> and I added the reflection to the feather and as per Bertrand's  
> request, I moved it up, more into the word.
> 
> proposal 3 revision A:
> http://www.kb3llm.org/apachelogo/pro3a.jpg
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 1, 2007, at 8:02 AM, Tobias Bocanegra wrote:
> 
> > hi,
> > looks better but still some details that bother:
> > - the dot of the 'i' somehow corrupts the shadow and the 'trunk' of
> > the 'i'. it look like you've drawn the dot by yourself and it's not
> > part of the typo
> > - the feather is antialiased on white and not on the 'reflection'
> > background. guess you didn't have a properly cut-out feather with
> > proper transparency info.
> > - the reflection does not look natural. it somehow collides with  
> > the shadow.
> >
> > On 12/1/07, Ricky E. <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> http://www.kb3llm.org/apachelogo/pro3.jpg
> >>
> >>
> >> Some text effects, and the apache feather as an underline.
> >>
> >> I know it's plain, but does it look better than the first two?
> >>
> >
> >
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Ricky Elrod
> macuser9214@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 


Re: Logos (proposal 3)

Posted by David Nuescheler <da...@day.com>.
> I do not understand the reflection thing :-)
> And also, though it looks nice having the apache feather at the lower
> right corner, it covers an important part of the "g" and allows
> misreading "sling" for "slina" in this case ...

:)

i couldn't agree more... as i said i am just trying to help the effort
of making the current proposal from a technical level more compelling.

i don't even want to get started about my reservations for the current
proposal in general.
personally, i understand this whole excercise more as a
questionable experiment or a teaching exercise rather than a serious
effort to get a usable logo.

as mentioned before, i think the whole exercise is a bit weird since
"design by committee" always ends up with visually crippled solutions.
specifically since (to my knowledge) the people on this list have no
design experience or education whatsoever, to me this is a bit the
blind leading the blind.

regards,
david

On 12/2/07, Felix Meschberger <fm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I do not understand the reflection thing :-)
>
> And also, though it looks nice having the apache feather at the lower
> right corner, it covers an important part of the "g" and allows
> misreading "sling" for "slina" in this case ...
>
> Regards
> Felix
>
>

Re: Logos (proposal 3)

Posted by Felix Meschberger <fm...@gmail.com>.
Hi,

I do not understand the reflection thing :-)

And also, though it looks nice having the apache feather at the lower
right corner, it covers an important part of the "g" and allows
misreading "sling" for "slina" in this case ...

Regards
Felix


Re: Logos (proposal 3)

Posted by David Nuescheler <da...@day.com>.
hi guys,

i would rather stay away from adding too much other stuff to the
logo... i would be tempted reduce things a bit.
anyhow, i tried to capture a large clean pixeled apache
logo and tried it on the sling typo for testing purposes here...
i did not have the correct font, so i used arial black.

please do not consider this an alternative proposal this is just
to help the process... this is not even using any design software
just firefox and apple keynote.

http://www.day.com/o.file/sling-logo-components.pdf?get=f814221cbf3817b2f17b4e6d30fd20db

generally. i think that "design by committee" in visual design
always leads to questionable results at best.

regards,
david

On 12/1/07, Tobias Bocanegra <to...@day.com> wrote:
> cool. looks better :-)
>
> maybe you could also be a bit more 'artistic' and include something of
> the 'sling' theme in the logo.
> sling stands for a framework that combines jcr, j2ee and osgi. so
> maybe a sling around some blocks? just thinking :-)
>
> regards, toby
>
> On 12/1/07, Ricky E. <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > sling:
> > http://www.kb3llm.org/apachelogo/pro3d.jpg
> >
> > Then I was thinking something like this for micro:
> >
> > micro:
> > http://www.kb3llm.org/apachelogo/pro3dm.jpg
> >
>
>
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Re: Logos (proposal 3)

Posted by Tobias Bocanegra <to...@day.com>.
cool. looks better :-)

maybe you could also be a bit more 'artistic' and include something of
the 'sling' theme in the logo.
sling stands for a framework that combines jcr, j2ee and osgi. so
maybe a sling around some blocks? just thinking :-)

regards, toby

On 12/1/07, Ricky E. <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> sling:
> http://www.kb3llm.org/apachelogo/pro3d.jpg
>
> Then I was thinking something like this for micro:
>
> micro:
> http://www.kb3llm.org/apachelogo/pro3dm.jpg
>


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Re: Logos (proposal 3)

Posted by "Ricky E." <ma...@gmail.com>.
sling:
http://www.kb3llm.org/apachelogo/pro3d.jpg

Then I was thinking something like this for micro:

micro:
http://www.kb3llm.org/apachelogo/pro3dm.jpg

Re: Logos (proposal 3)

Posted by Tobias Bocanegra <to...@day.com>.
> hmm Gimp won't open that svg. Any chance that you could export it to
> a png for me?

that's why you should use a vector-drawing program :-)
nevertheless, i converted it and  placed it here:

http://people.apache.org/~tripod/

regards, toby
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Re: Logos (proposal 3)

Posted by "Ricky E." <ma...@gmail.com>.
hmm Gimp won't open that svg. Any chance that you could export it to  
a png for me?



On Dec 1, 2007, at 9:02 AM, Tobias Bocanegra wrote:

>> I'm using gimp, so... I can save it as EPS, which the task page said
>> is alright.
> i'm not sure if this is enough, i.e. if gimp can vectorize your  
> image properly.
>
>> and I found another feather that the antialiasing should be better  
>> on.
>>
>> http://www.kb3llm.org/apachelogo/pro3c.jpg
> not really. it still has a white and black 'border'. you need to have
> a feather that has proper
> alpha-channel information, e.g. a PNG
>
> here is one in svg: http://www.apache.org/foundation/press/kit/
> or maybe someone can point out where the 'official' image resources
> for the apache feather is?
>
>> I don't know what to do with the dot on the I because that small one
>> is the one that's in the font.
> but then the 'trunk' of the 'i' does not match the dot :-)
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Re: Logos (proposal 3)

Posted by Tobias Bocanegra <to...@day.com>.
> I'm using gimp, so... I can save it as EPS, which the task page said
> is alright.
i'm not sure if this is enough, i.e. if gimp can vectorize your image properly.

> and I found another feather that the antialiasing should be better on.
>
> http://www.kb3llm.org/apachelogo/pro3c.jpg
not really. it still has a white and black 'border'. you need to have
a feather that has proper
alpha-channel information, e.g. a PNG

here is one in svg: http://www.apache.org/foundation/press/kit/
or maybe someone can point out where the 'official' image resources
for the apache feather is?

> I don't know what to do with the dot on the I because that small one
> is the one that's in the font.
but then the 'trunk' of the 'i' does not match the dot :-)
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Re: Logos (proposal 3)

Posted by "Ricky E." <ma...@gmail.com>.
no problem.

I'm using gimp, so... I can save it as EPS, which the task page said  
is alright.


and I found another feather that the antialiasing should be better on.

http://www.kb3llm.org/apachelogo/pro3c.jpg

I don't know what to do with the dot on the I because that small one  
is the one that's in the font.

and yet I admit that the one I added looked worse, so....



On Dec 1, 2007, at 8:42 AM, Tobias Bocanegra wrote:

> hi ricky,
> please don't take my criticism to serious or personal. i just read the
> GHOP task again - and of course this is a first shot and it must not
> be perfect. i'm sure we're finding a consensus.
>
> another thing you might keep in mind that the final logo(s) should be
> in SVG, so you might use a vector-drawing tool, like inkscape from the
> beginning (i you didn't already)
>
> it's great to have someone taking care of the logos at all! so,  
> thank you.
> regards, toby
>
> -- 
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> >---
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> Basel
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> >---






Ricky Elrod
macuser9214@gmail.com




Re: Logos (proposal 3)

Posted by Tobias Bocanegra <to...@day.com>.
hi ricky,
please don't take my criticism to serious or personal. i just read the
GHOP task again - and of course this is a first shot and it must not
be perfect. i'm sure we're finding a consensus.

another thing you might keep in mind that the final logo(s) should be
in SVG, so you might use a vector-drawing tool, like inkscape from the
beginning (i you didn't already)

it's great to have someone taking care of the logos at all! so, thank you.
regards, toby

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Re: Logos (proposal 3)

Posted by Tobias Bocanegra <to...@day.com>.
> You told me to add the reflection to the feather and so I did..
that's ok

> What is worse about it?
the 'i'. i don't know if you made the i-dot so small and not aligned
on purpose....but it just doesn't look right.

and the antialiasing of the feather is still wrong.

regards, toby

>
>
> On Dec 1, 2007, at 8:20 AM, Tobias Bocanegra wrote:
>
> > wow...what an improvement ;-))
> >
> > frankly, are you kidding ? this is even worse :-)
> > regards, toby
> >
> > On 12/1/07, Ricky E. <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> ok -
> >>
> >> The dot on the I i did draw myself because the one that was there by
> >> default looked really bad, but I put the one that was native to the
> >> font back.
> >>
> >> and I added the reflection to the feather and as per Bertrand's
> >> request, I moved it up, more into the word.
> >>
> >> proposal 3 revision A:
> >> http://www.kb3llm.org/apachelogo/pro3a.jpg
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Dec 1, 2007, at 8:02 AM, Tobias Bocanegra wrote:
> >>
> >>> hi,
> >>> looks better but still some details that bother:
> >>> - the dot of the 'i' somehow corrupts the shadow and the 'trunk' of
> >>> the 'i'. it look like you've drawn the dot by yourself and it's not
> >>> part of the typo
> >>> - the feather is antialiased on white and not on the 'reflection'
> >>> background. guess you didn't have a properly cut-out feather with
> >>> proper transparency info.
> >>> - the reflection does not look natural. it somehow collides with
> >>> the shadow.
> >>>
> >>> On 12/1/07, Ricky E. <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> http://www.kb3llm.org/apachelogo/pro3.jpg
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Some text effects, and the apache feather as an underline.
> >>>>
> >>>> I know it's plain, but does it look better than the first two?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> -----------------------------------------< tobias.bocanegra@day.com
> >>>> ---
> >>> Tobias Bocanegra, Day Management AG, Barfuesserplatz 6, CH - 4001
> >>> Basel
> >>> T +41 61 226 98 98, F +41 61 226 98 97
> >>> -----------------------------------------------< http://www.day.com
> >>>> ---
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ricky Elrod
> >> macuser9214@gmail.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > -----------------------------------------< tobias.bocanegra@day.com
> > >---
> > Tobias Bocanegra, Day Management AG, Barfuesserplatz 6, CH - 4001
> > Basel
> > T +41 61 226 98 98, F +41 61 226 98 97
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> > >---
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Ricky Elrod
> macuser9214@gmail.com
>
>
>
>


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Re: Logos (proposal 3)

Posted by "Ricky E." <ma...@gmail.com>.
Well what do you want me to do? You have to give me ideas...

You told me to add the reflection to the feather and so I did..

What is worse about it?


On Dec 1, 2007, at 8:20 AM, Tobias Bocanegra wrote:

> wow...what an improvement ;-))
>
> frankly, are you kidding ? this is even worse :-)
> regards, toby
>
> On 12/1/07, Ricky E. <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> ok -
>>
>> The dot on the I i did draw myself because the one that was there by
>> default looked really bad, but I put the one that was native to the
>> font back.
>>
>> and I added the reflection to the feather and as per Bertrand's
>> request, I moved it up, more into the word.
>>
>> proposal 3 revision A:
>> http://www.kb3llm.org/apachelogo/pro3a.jpg
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 1, 2007, at 8:02 AM, Tobias Bocanegra wrote:
>>
>>> hi,
>>> looks better but still some details that bother:
>>> - the dot of the 'i' somehow corrupts the shadow and the 'trunk' of
>>> the 'i'. it look like you've drawn the dot by yourself and it's not
>>> part of the typo
>>> - the feather is antialiased on white and not on the 'reflection'
>>> background. guess you didn't have a properly cut-out feather with
>>> proper transparency info.
>>> - the reflection does not look natural. it somehow collides with
>>> the shadow.
>>>
>>> On 12/1/07, Ricky E. <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> http://www.kb3llm.org/apachelogo/pro3.jpg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Some text effects, and the apache feather as an underline.
>>>>
>>>> I know it's plain, but does it look better than the first two?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> -----------------------------------------< tobias.bocanegra@day.com
>>>> ---
>>> Tobias Bocanegra, Day Management AG, Barfuesserplatz 6, CH - 4001
>>> Basel
>>> T +41 61 226 98 98, F +41 61 226 98 97
>>> -----------------------------------------------< http://www.day.com
>>>> ---
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Ricky Elrod
>> macuser9214@gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --  
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> >---
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> Basel
> T +41 61 226 98 98, F +41 61 226 98 97
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> >---






Ricky Elrod
macuser9214@gmail.com




Re: Logos (proposal 3)

Posted by Tobias Bocanegra <to...@day.com>.
wow...what an improvement ;-))

frankly, are you kidding ? this is even worse :-)
regards, toby

On 12/1/07, Ricky E. <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ok -
>
> The dot on the I i did draw myself because the one that was there by
> default looked really bad, but I put the one that was native to the
> font back.
>
> and I added the reflection to the feather and as per Bertrand's
> request, I moved it up, more into the word.
>
> proposal 3 revision A:
> http://www.kb3llm.org/apachelogo/pro3a.jpg
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 1, 2007, at 8:02 AM, Tobias Bocanegra wrote:
>
> > hi,
> > looks better but still some details that bother:
> > - the dot of the 'i' somehow corrupts the shadow and the 'trunk' of
> > the 'i'. it look like you've drawn the dot by yourself and it's not
> > part of the typo
> > - the feather is antialiased on white and not on the 'reflection'
> > background. guess you didn't have a properly cut-out feather with
> > proper transparency info.
> > - the reflection does not look natural. it somehow collides with
> > the shadow.
> >
> > On 12/1/07, Ricky E. <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> http://www.kb3llm.org/apachelogo/pro3.jpg
> >>
> >>
> >> Some text effects, and the apache feather as an underline.
> >>
> >> I know it's plain, but does it look better than the first two?
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > -----------------------------------------< tobias.bocanegra@day.com
> > >---
> > Tobias Bocanegra, Day Management AG, Barfuesserplatz 6, CH - 4001
> > Basel
> > T +41 61 226 98 98, F +41 61 226 98 97
> > -----------------------------------------------< http://www.day.com
> > >---
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Ricky Elrod
> macuser9214@gmail.com
>
>
>
>


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Re: Logos (proposal 3)

Posted by "Ricky E." <ma...@gmail.com>.
ok -

The dot on the I i did draw myself because the one that was there by  
default looked really bad, but I put the one that was native to the  
font back.

and I added the reflection to the feather and as per Bertrand's  
request, I moved it up, more into the word.

proposal 3 revision A:
http://www.kb3llm.org/apachelogo/pro3a.jpg






On Dec 1, 2007, at 8:02 AM, Tobias Bocanegra wrote:

> hi,
> looks better but still some details that bother:
> - the dot of the 'i' somehow corrupts the shadow and the 'trunk' of
> the 'i'. it look like you've drawn the dot by yourself and it's not
> part of the typo
> - the feather is antialiased on white and not on the 'reflection'
> background. guess you didn't have a properly cut-out feather with
> proper transparency info.
> - the reflection does not look natural. it somehow collides with  
> the shadow.
>
> On 12/1/07, Ricky E. <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> http://www.kb3llm.org/apachelogo/pro3.jpg
>>
>>
>> Some text effects, and the apache feather as an underline.
>>
>> I know it's plain, but does it look better than the first two?
>>
>
>
> -- 
> -----------------------------------------< tobias.bocanegra@day.com  
> >---
> Tobias Bocanegra, Day Management AG, Barfuesserplatz 6, CH - 4001  
> Basel
> T +41 61 226 98 98, F +41 61 226 98 97
> -----------------------------------------------< http://www.day.com  
> >---






Ricky Elrod
macuser9214@gmail.com




Re: Logos (proposal 3)

Posted by Tobias Bocanegra <to...@day.com>.
hi,
looks better but still some details that bother:
- the dot of the 'i' somehow corrupts the shadow and the 'trunk' of
the 'i'. it look like you've drawn the dot by yourself and it's not
part of the typo
- the feather is antialiased on white and not on the 'reflection'
background. guess you didn't have a properly cut-out feather with
proper transparency info.
- the reflection does not look natural. it somehow collides with the shadow.

On 12/1/07, Ricky E. <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.kb3llm.org/apachelogo/pro3.jpg
>
>
> Some text effects, and the apache feather as an underline.
>
> I know it's plain, but does it look better than the first two?
>


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Re: Logos (proposal 3)

Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
Hi Ricky,

On Dec 1, 2007 12:08 AM, Ricky E. <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.kb3llm.org/apachelogo/pro3.jpg


> ...does it look better than the first two?

Yes, I like it much better! Maybe you could move the feather up a bit
, so that it "collides" more with the word "Sling". And maybe
softening the gray shadow would be good?

thanks,
-Bertrand