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Posted to dev@tapestry.apache.org by Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com> on 2013/10/09 02:19:22 UTC
[REPORT] Apache Tapestry
Apache Tapestry is a Java component-based web framework that features
high productivity, great code reuse, robust deployment, and terrific
performance.
Progress continues on the 5.4 release, which is still in alpha. There have
been
several further preview releases.
--
Howard M. Lewis Ship
Creator of Apache Tapestry
The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support. Contact me to
learn how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast!
(971) 678-5210
http://howardlewisship.com
Re: [REPORT] Apache Tapestry
Posted by Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org>.
(Please note the mix of private/public lists)
On 10/8/13 8:19 PM, Howard Lewis Ship wrote:
> Apache Tapestry is a Java component-based web framework that features
> high productivity, great code reuse, robust deployment, and terrific
> performance.
>
> Progress continues on the 5.4 release, which is still in alpha. There
> have been
> several further preview releases.
This year's board is being consistent at asking projects to follow the
reporting guidelines, which have been published and sent to PMCs a
number of times:
http://apache.org/foundation/board/reporting
In particular, it's likely the board will be asking for the date of the
last release, as well as the date(s) of last committer or PMC member
changes to be added to the report. Similarly, board reports are most
properly seen as "let the board know the current community health of the
project as a whole", so data or comments about activity levels within
the project, knowing that questions on the mailing lists are being
answered, etc. are things the board likes to see.
Board reports are important to allow the board to provide the proper
oversight for all 140+ Apache projects. They're mostly focused
internally, to our own organization (i.e. the Foundation as a
corporation, and our project communities) and not externally as any sort
of marketing or publicity mechanism (although obviously, the board does
publish public minutes of all meetings after approval).
- Shane
Reminder: folks are always welcome to review past board minutes to see
how other projects are reporting:
http://apache.org/foundation/board/calendar.html
>
> --
> Howard M. Lewis Ship
>
> Creator of Apache Tapestry
>
> The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support. Contact me to
> learn how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast!
>
> (971) 678-5210
> http://howardlewisship.com
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Re: [REPORT] Apache Tapestry
Posted by James Carman <jw...@gmail.com>.
Some folks include project health metrics within their board report. I
don't think it's required, but it is nice to have it summarized for the
board so that they don't have to go hunting that information down if
they're interested.
What would be really cool is if we had a nice "dashboard" view of all of
our project metrics, so that the board members (and of course anyone else)
could easily see a snapshot of how the project is doing (at least by the
numbers).
On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 1:32 AM, Kalle Korhonen
<ka...@gmail.com>wrote:
> In the case of Apache Tapestry, I'd argue that the wording in the report
> is accurate. That's besides the point though. We've used the same project
> description repeatedly in previous reports. I'm not sure what you want to
> indicate to the project. I see you you are a VP of OODT but not a current
> of member of the board. To my knowledge, the board has not weighed in
> previously and I don't see a reason why they would weigh in now. Tapestry
> itself has been around for a long time (from 2004 as Jakarta subproject)
> and in all likelihood we'll continue to be around. If you personally would
> like to check superfluous metrics about the project health, it's easy to
> see the mailing list traffic volume (
> http://markmail.org/search/?q=list%3Aorg.apache.tapestry.users) or
> relative rankings among projects (Where do visitors go on apache.org at
> http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/apache.org), just for examples. We'll note
> hard metrics whenever we add members or make other changes, but we simply
> didn't have anything significant to note this time around.
>
> Kalle
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 6:12 PM, <ke...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Marketing, eh?
>>
>> One trick I learned in marketing is to look at what you say about your
>> product and REVERSE all the adjectives and ask: would your competition say
>> any of those things about their own product?
>>
>> If the answer is no, then you should drop those terms from the
>> endorsement of your own product, as they are by definition vacuous and
>> empty. Stick to the facts.
>>
>> To whit:
>>
>> "Apache Tapestry is a Java component-based web framework that features
>> high productivity, great code reuse, robust deployment, and terrific
>> performance."
>>
>> Or ...
>>
>> "Apache Tapestry is a Java component-based web framework."
>>
>> There, isn't that cleaner and clear of fluff?
>>
>> (You might also include other metrics on project health, releases,
>> committers, PMC additions, etc.; info that the board would really find
>> useful and fluff-free. But they'll weigh into that, I'm sure.)
>>
>> Respectfully,
>> --k
>>
>> --
>> Sean Kelly
>> VP, Apache OODT
>> Apache Software Foundation
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2013.Oct.8, at 7.19p, Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Apache Tapestry is a Java component-based web framework that features
>> > high productivity, great code reuse, robust deployment, and terrific
>> > performance.
>> >
>> > Progress continues on the 5.4 release, which is still in alpha. There
>> have been
>> > several further preview releases.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Howard M. Lewis Ship
>> >
>> > Creator of Apache Tapestry
>> >
>> > The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support. Contact me to
>> learn how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast!
>> >
>> > (971) 678-5210
>> > http://howardlewisship.com
>>
>>
>
Re: [REPORT] Apache Tapestry
Posted by Kalle Korhonen <ka...@gmail.com>.
In the case of Apache Tapestry, I'd argue that the wording in the report is
accurate. That's besides the point though. We've used the same project
description repeatedly in previous reports. I'm not sure what you want to
indicate to the project. I see you you are a VP of OODT but not a current
of member of the board. To my knowledge, the board has not weighed in
previously and I don't see a reason why they would weigh in now. Tapestry
itself has been around for a long time (from 2004 as Jakarta subproject)
and in all likelihood we'll continue to be around. If you personally would
like to check superfluous metrics about the project health, it's easy to
see the mailing list traffic volume (
http://markmail.org/search/?q=list%3Aorg.apache.tapestry.users) or relative
rankings among projects (Where do visitors go on apache.org at
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/apache.org), just for examples. We'll note
hard metrics whenever we add members or make other changes, but we simply
didn't have anything significant to note this time around.
Kalle
On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 6:12 PM, <ke...@apache.org> wrote:
> Marketing, eh?
>
> One trick I learned in marketing is to look at what you say about your
> product and REVERSE all the adjectives and ask: would your competition say
> any of those things about their own product?
>
> If the answer is no, then you should drop those terms from the endorsement
> of your own product, as they are by definition vacuous and empty. Stick to
> the facts.
>
> To whit:
>
> "Apache Tapestry is a Java component-based web framework that features
> high productivity, great code reuse, robust deployment, and terrific
> performance."
>
> Or ...
>
> "Apache Tapestry is a Java component-based web framework."
>
> There, isn't that cleaner and clear of fluff?
>
> (You might also include other metrics on project health, releases,
> committers, PMC additions, etc.; info that the board would really find
> useful and fluff-free. But they'll weigh into that, I'm sure.)
>
> Respectfully,
> --k
>
> --
> Sean Kelly
> VP, Apache OODT
> Apache Software Foundation
>
>
>
> On 2013.Oct.8, at 7.19p, Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Apache Tapestry is a Java component-based web framework that features
> > high productivity, great code reuse, robust deployment, and terrific
> > performance.
> >
> > Progress continues on the 5.4 release, which is still in alpha. There
> have been
> > several further preview releases.
> >
> > --
> > Howard M. Lewis Ship
> >
> > Creator of Apache Tapestry
> >
> > The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support. Contact me to
> learn how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast!
> >
> > (971) 678-5210
> > http://howardlewisship.com
>
>
Re: [REPORT] Apache Tapestry
Posted by ke...@apache.org.
Marketing, eh?
One trick I learned in marketing is to look at what you say about your product and REVERSE all the adjectives and ask: would your competition say any of those things about their own product?
If the answer is no, then you should drop those terms from the endorsement of your own product, as they are by definition vacuous and empty. Stick to the facts.
To whit:
"Apache Tapestry is a Java component-based web framework that features high productivity, great code reuse, robust deployment, and terrific performance."
Or ...
"Apache Tapestry is a Java component-based web framework."
There, isn't that cleaner and clear of fluff?
(You might also include other metrics on project health, releases, committers, PMC additions, etc.; info that the board would really find useful and fluff-free. But they'll weigh into that, I'm sure.)
Respectfully,
--k
--
Sean Kelly
VP, Apache OODT
Apache Software Foundation
On 2013.Oct.8, at 7.19p, Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Apache Tapestry is a Java component-based web framework that features
> high productivity, great code reuse, robust deployment, and terrific
> performance.
>
> Progress continues on the 5.4 release, which is still in alpha. There have been
> several further preview releases.
>
> --
> Howard M. Lewis Ship
>
> Creator of Apache Tapestry
>
> The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support. Contact me to learn how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast!
>
> (971) 678-5210
> http://howardlewisship.com