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Posted to dev@shindig.apache.org by Chris Chabot <ch...@xs4all.nl> on 2008/07/17 02:13:19 UTC
shindig - demo
Hey Guys,
Since we really wanted to have a live demo up and running of the java
sample container (so we can link to it from the getting started
guide), and it looks like it will take a little bit more time to
figure out how to proceed in such a way that infrastructure@ is happy
with running it (and backup facilities etc could be in place), i went
ahead and created a demo setup that we can use in the meantime at:
http://www.shindig-demo.org
The modules are rendered in the apps.shindig-modules.org domain, so
that we can give a good example of how that's supposed to work too.
Once the zone / hosting issues are worked out with the Apache
infrastructure team, i'll transfer the domains to the ASF.
-- Chris
On Jul 15, 2008, at 11:23 AM, Henning Schmiedehausen wrote:
> On Tue, 2008-07-15 at 02:08 -0700, Kevin Brown wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 1:46 AM, Chris Chabot <ch...@xs4all.nl>
>> wrote:
>> What I'm still very hopeful to see is a Wiki system (any
>> flavor will do) for Shindig.
>>
>> The lack of documentation and possibilities for people to
>> contribute too- has really held our adoptation back a bit, and
>> caused many duplicate threads on the same subjects to happen.
>>
>> On the other hand i remember infrastructure@ saying that a
>> zone should not be used for anything important?
>>
>> Yeah, I'd be cautious about anything that needs to persist data on
>> the
>> zone.
>
> That is not entirely correct. :-) Your zone will not suddenly vanish
> or
> being wiped. However, any substantial service for a project (e.g. a
> doc
> site, downloads, you name it) should at some point be migrated off a
> zone and onto infrastructure proper. Zones are project-maintained and
> running stuff off a zone means that there is e.g. no mirroring of
> content available. Also, I'm not sure if Zones are backed up at all.
>
> A zone is intended to run all the developer/committer related support
> stuff like e.g. continuous build. It would be fine BTW to run a sample
> container on the zone if you slap a .htaccess file on top of it (run
> Apache in front of Tomcat) or request container authorization (with
> straight Tomcat) and allow only committers/developers access to the
> container.
>
> The problem is scalability inside the Apache infrastructure, not
> running
> services. The zone machines are shared machines that don't serve for a
> single project.
>
>
>> A hosted wiki would probably work. google sites might work ok for
>> this, though I still prefer something like MediaWiki in general.
>
> Don't go there. We have two working Wiki infrastructures (Confluence
> and
> MoinMoin) and we have our very own JSPWiki in incubation if you feel
> like setting up a Wiki on the Zone (which is fine, as long as only
> committers have write access to it). I can understand infra to
> object to
> yet another wiki-flavor-of-the-day.
>
> Ciao
> Henning
>
Re: shindig - demo
Posted by Cassie <do...@apache.org>.
Awesome! Thanks Chris!
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Chris Chabot <ch...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> Hey Guys,
>
> Since we really wanted to have a live demo up and running of the java
> sample container (so we can link to it from the getting started guide), and
> it looks like it will take a little bit more time to figure out how to
> proceed in such a way that infrastructure@ is happy with running it (and
> backup facilities etc could be in place), i went ahead and created a demo
> setup that we can use in the meantime at:
>
> http://www.shindig-demo.org
>
> The modules are rendered in the apps.shindig-modules.org domain, so that
> we can give a good example of how that's supposed to work too.
>
> Once the zone / hosting issues are worked out with the Apache
> infrastructure team, i'll transfer the domains to the ASF.
>
> -- Chris
>
> On Jul 15, 2008, at 11:23 AM, Henning Schmiedehausen wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2008-07-15 at 02:08 -0700, Kevin Brown wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 1:46 AM, Chris Chabot <ch...@xs4all.nl>
>>> wrote:
>>> What I'm still very hopeful to see is a Wiki system (any
>>> flavor will do) for Shindig.
>>>
>>> The lack of documentation and possibilities for people to
>>> contribute too- has really held our adoptation back a bit, and
>>> caused many duplicate threads on the same subjects to happen.
>>>
>>> On the other hand i remember infrastructure@ saying that a
>>> zone should not be used for anything important?
>>>
>>> Yeah, I'd be cautious about anything that needs to persist data on the
>>> zone.
>>>
>>
>> That is not entirely correct. :-) Your zone will not suddenly vanish or
>> being wiped. However, any substantial service for a project (e.g. a doc
>> site, downloads, you name it) should at some point be migrated off a
>> zone and onto infrastructure proper. Zones are project-maintained and
>> running stuff off a zone means that there is e.g. no mirroring of
>> content available. Also, I'm not sure if Zones are backed up at all.
>>
>> A zone is intended to run all the developer/committer related support
>> stuff like e.g. continuous build. It would be fine BTW to run a sample
>> container on the zone if you slap a .htaccess file on top of it (run
>> Apache in front of Tomcat) or request container authorization (with
>> straight Tomcat) and allow only committers/developers access to the
>> container.
>>
>> The problem is scalability inside the Apache infrastructure, not running
>> services. The zone machines are shared machines that don't serve for a
>> single project.
>>
>>
>> A hosted wiki would probably work. google sites might work ok for
>>> this, though I still prefer something like MediaWiki in general.
>>>
>>
>> Don't go there. We have two working Wiki infrastructures (Confluence and
>> MoinMoin) and we have our very own JSPWiki in incubation if you feel
>> like setting up a Wiki on the Zone (which is fine, as long as only
>> committers have write access to it). I can understand infra to object to
>> yet another wiki-flavor-of-the-day.
>>
>> Ciao
>> Henning
>>
>>
>