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Posted to dev@maven.apache.org by Dawid Pura <pu...@gmail.com> on 2021/09/08 20:16:27 UTC
Removing IRC channel mentions from official website documentation
Hello all,
I have noticed it's misleading for new contributors to find out the proper
communication channel for this project. The documentation says there is an
IRC channel which topic says "we moved to Slack". Then, it takes some time
to figure out a newcomer cannot get in, since she has to be invited by
actual commiters.
I think I can remove any mention of IRC channel from maven-site, as this
has been deprecated comms channel, right? I am asking the more subtle
question, should the Slack channel be mentioned instead, or there is no
reason to mention it in public docs as it's not reachable by the public.
this is my very first e-mail on this mailing list and mailing lists in
Apache in general, so please share any feedback that comes to your mind :).
All the best,
Dawid Pura
Re: Removing IRC channel mentions from official website documentation
Posted by Hervé BOUTEMY <he...@free.fr>.
yes, please, that would be of great help
Le jeudi 9 septembre 2021, 09:26:57 CEST Dawid Pura a écrit :
> > On what URLs you saw the IRC channel?
>
> So, IRC mentions I found in maven-site:
> * ./content/fml/about.fml (https://maven.apache.org/about.html)
> https://github.com/apache/maven-site/blob/master/content/fml/about.fml#L99
> * ./content/markdown/community.md (https://maven.apache.org/community.html)
> https://github.com/apache/maven-site/blame/master/content/markdown/community
> .md#L88 * ./content/xdoc/index.xml.vm (https://maven.apache.org)
> https://github.com/apache/maven-site/blob/master/content/xdoc/index.xml.vm#L
> 118
>
> I can prepare a PR for this change, I will remove the existing mentions of
> the IRC channel and maybe will come up with a good sentence for joining
> Slack chat for committers :)
>
> Thanks,
> Dawid Pura
>
> śr., 8 wrz 2021 o 23:17 Enno Thieleke <En...@holisticon.de>
>
> napisał(a):
> > As one of the new guys, I can confirm that IRC is misleading and
> > confusing. I totally missed any topic regarding the "we moved to slack"
> > part. Could've been a bad IRC client, could've been me, not sure.
> >
> > I agree with Bernd: New people would very much like to find slack
> > information on the website, even though access is restricted. And yes,
> > mentioning who gets access and how would help a great deal, I think,
> > albeit
> > just for clarification.
> >
> > Kind regards
> > Enno
> > ________________________________
> > From: Bernd Eckenfels <ec...@zusammenkunft.net>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 8, 2021 10:30 PM
> > To: Maven Developers List <de...@maven.apache.org>
> > Subject: Re: Removing IRC channel mentions from official website
> > documentation
> >
> > Thanks for bringing this to our attention and I agree we should remove the
> > irc channel in this case.
> >
> > Not sure about the slack since I don’t use it, but the website is not only
> > for the public, it’s also the primary source for committers (but if we add
> > the slack we certainly need to mention who gets access and how)
> >
> > On what URLs you saw the irc channel?
> >
> > Gruss
> > Bernd
> >
> >
> > --
> > http://bernd.eckenfels.net
> > ________________________________
> > Von: Dawid Pura <pu...@gmail.com>
> > Gesendet: Wednesday, September 8, 2021 10:16:27 PM
> > An: dev@maven.apache.org <de...@maven.apache.org>
> > Betreff: Removing IRC channel mentions from official website documentation
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I have noticed it's misleading for new contributors to find out the proper
> > communication channel for this project. The documentation says there is an
> > IRC channel which topic says "we moved to Slack". Then, it takes some time
> > to figure out a newcomer cannot get in, since she has to be invited by
> > actual commiters.
> >
> > I think I can remove any mention of IRC channel from maven-site, as this
> > has been deprecated comms channel, right? I am asking the more subtle
> > question, should the Slack channel be mentioned instead, or there is no
> > reason to mention it in public docs as it's not reachable by the public.
> >
> > this is my very first e-mail on this mailing list and mailing lists in
> > Apache in general, so please share any feedback that comes to your mind
> > :).
> >
> > All the best,
> > Dawid Pura
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Re: Removing IRC channel mentions from official website documentation
Posted by Dawid Pura <pu...@gmail.com>.
> On what URLs you saw the IRC channel?
So, IRC mentions I found in maven-site:
* ./content/fml/about.fml (https://maven.apache.org/about.html)
https://github.com/apache/maven-site/blob/master/content/fml/about.fml#L99
* ./content/markdown/community.md (https://maven.apache.org/community.html)
https://github.com/apache/maven-site/blame/master/content/markdown/community.md#L88
* ./content/xdoc/index.xml.vm (https://maven.apache.org)
https://github.com/apache/maven-site/blob/master/content/xdoc/index.xml.vm#L118
I can prepare a PR for this change, I will remove the existing mentions of
the IRC channel and maybe will come up with a good sentence for joining
Slack chat for committers :)
Thanks,
Dawid Pura
śr., 8 wrz 2021 o 23:17 Enno Thieleke <En...@holisticon.de>
napisał(a):
> As one of the new guys, I can confirm that IRC is misleading and
> confusing. I totally missed any topic regarding the "we moved to slack"
> part. Could've been a bad IRC client, could've been me, not sure.
>
> I agree with Bernd: New people would very much like to find slack
> information on the website, even though access is restricted. And yes,
> mentioning who gets access and how would help a great deal, I think, albeit
> just for clarification.
>
> Kind regards
> Enno
> ________________________________
> From: Bernd Eckenfels <ec...@zusammenkunft.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 8, 2021 10:30 PM
> To: Maven Developers List <de...@maven.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: Removing IRC channel mentions from official website
> documentation
>
> Thanks for bringing this to our attention and I agree we should remove the
> irc channel in this case.
>
> Not sure about the slack since I don’t use it, but the website is not only
> for the public, it’s also the primary source for committers (but if we add
> the slack we certainly need to mention who gets access and how)
>
> On what URLs you saw the irc channel?
>
> Gruss
> Bernd
>
>
> --
> http://bernd.eckenfels.net
> ________________________________
> Von: Dawid Pura <pu...@gmail.com>
> Gesendet: Wednesday, September 8, 2021 10:16:27 PM
> An: dev@maven.apache.org <de...@maven.apache.org>
> Betreff: Removing IRC channel mentions from official website documentation
>
> Hello all,
>
> I have noticed it's misleading for new contributors to find out the proper
> communication channel for this project. The documentation says there is an
> IRC channel which topic says "we moved to Slack". Then, it takes some time
> to figure out a newcomer cannot get in, since she has to be invited by
> actual commiters.
>
> I think I can remove any mention of IRC channel from maven-site, as this
> has been deprecated comms channel, right? I am asking the more subtle
> question, should the Slack channel be mentioned instead, or there is no
> reason to mention it in public docs as it's not reachable by the public.
>
> this is my very first e-mail on this mailing list and mailing lists in
> Apache in general, so please share any feedback that comes to your mind :).
>
> All the best,
> Dawid Pura
>
Re: Removing IRC channel mentions from official website documentation
Posted by Enno Thieleke <En...@holisticon.de>.
As one of the new guys, I can confirm that IRC is misleading and confusing. I totally missed any topic regarding the "we moved to slack" part. Could've been a bad IRC client, could've been me, not sure.
I agree with Bernd: New people would very much like to find slack information on the website, even though access is restricted. And yes, mentioning who gets access and how would help a great deal, I think, albeit just for clarification.
Kind regards
Enno
________________________________
From: Bernd Eckenfels <ec...@zusammenkunft.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 8, 2021 10:30 PM
To: Maven Developers List <de...@maven.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Removing IRC channel mentions from official website documentation
Thanks for bringing this to our attention and I agree we should remove the irc channel in this case.
Not sure about the slack since I don’t use it, but the website is not only for the public, it’s also the primary source for committers (but if we add the slack we certainly need to mention who gets access and how)
On what URLs you saw the irc channel?
Gruss
Bernd
--
http://bernd.eckenfels.net
________________________________
Von: Dawid Pura <pu...@gmail.com>
Gesendet: Wednesday, September 8, 2021 10:16:27 PM
An: dev@maven.apache.org <de...@maven.apache.org>
Betreff: Removing IRC channel mentions from official website documentation
Hello all,
I have noticed it's misleading for new contributors to find out the proper
communication channel for this project. The documentation says there is an
IRC channel which topic says "we moved to Slack". Then, it takes some time
to figure out a newcomer cannot get in, since she has to be invited by
actual commiters.
I think I can remove any mention of IRC channel from maven-site, as this
has been deprecated comms channel, right? I am asking the more subtle
question, should the Slack channel be mentioned instead, or there is no
reason to mention it in public docs as it's not reachable by the public.
this is my very first e-mail on this mailing list and mailing lists in
Apache in general, so please share any feedback that comes to your mind :).
All the best,
Dawid Pura
Re: Removing IRC channel mentions from official website documentation
Posted by Bernd Eckenfels <ec...@zusammenkunft.net>.
Thanks for bringing this to our attention and I agree we should remove the irc channel in this case.
Not sure about the slack since I don’t use it, but the website is not only for the public, it’s also the primary source for committers (but if we add the slack we certainly need to mention who gets access and how)
On what URLs you saw the irc channel?
Gruss
Bernd
--
http://bernd.eckenfels.net
________________________________
Von: Dawid Pura <pu...@gmail.com>
Gesendet: Wednesday, September 8, 2021 10:16:27 PM
An: dev@maven.apache.org <de...@maven.apache.org>
Betreff: Removing IRC channel mentions from official website documentation
Hello all,
I have noticed it's misleading for new contributors to find out the proper
communication channel for this project. The documentation says there is an
IRC channel which topic says "we moved to Slack". Then, it takes some time
to figure out a newcomer cannot get in, since she has to be invited by
actual commiters.
I think I can remove any mention of IRC channel from maven-site, as this
has been deprecated comms channel, right? I am asking the more subtle
question, should the Slack channel be mentioned instead, or there is no
reason to mention it in public docs as it's not reachable by the public.
this is my very first e-mail on this mailing list and mailing lists in
Apache in general, so please share any feedback that comes to your mind :).
All the best,
Dawid Pura