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Posted to general@incubator.apache.org by 申远 <sh...@gmail.com> on 2019/02/18 07:07:58 UTC
Fwd: [DISCUSS] can we use weex.io as the short domain name for the
apache project
Hi, there
I am a PPMC member of incubator-weex, there is some confusion about
third-party domain and it seems like difficult to resolve in dev@ mailing
list, maybe someone here could give a hand to solve the problem of domains.
1.I 'd like to know if there is a formal rule that projects should use
xxx.apache.org instead of xxx.io, which is shorter and easier to remember.
2. we have another domain weex-project.io for fast access of Çhinese
Developers as GFW have some confluence on https://weex.apache.org/cn/. Is
this against rules for apache project.
Best Regards,
YorkShen
申远
---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Dan <fa...@gmail.com>
Date: 2019年2月15日周五 下午2:39
Subject: [DISCUSS] can we use weex.io as the short domain name for the
apache project
To: <de...@weex.incubator.apache.org>
Hi, Myrle/Willem,
Currently, we have a domain name of weex.io and want to use it to replace
the previous weex-project.io domain name for the following reasons:
1. The domain name is shorter and easier to remember.
2. Apache's website has slower access to the developer in China, so there
is a mirror website weex-project.io for Chinese developer.
3. We expect to support https on this website and support some of our own
server functions, such as Q&A robots, article blog posts, etc.
I would like to ask if apache has any restrictions on this third-party
domain name, and look forward to hearing from you.
Thanks,
Dan
Re: [DISCUSS] can we use weex.io as the short domain name for the
apache project
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
Hi,
> 1.I 'd like to know if there is a formal rule that projects should use
> xxx.apache.org instead of xxx.io, which is shorter and easier to remember.
The incubator guidelines say [1] which says it must be xxx.(incubator).apache.org and the code for the site hosting in an ASF repo. I would suggest you redirect that domain to xxx.apache.org.
There are also trademark and branding issues around 3rd parties use domains containing Aapache project names. [2][3]
> 2. we have another domain weex-project.io for fast access of Çhinese
> Developers as GFW have some confluence on https://weex.apache.org/cn/. Is
> this against rules for apache project.
See above I'd say yes that’s not usually allowed.
That being said there have been a couple of exceptions over the years e.g. openoffice.org But realise these are exceptional reasons for allowing domains like this, I suggest you talk to branding and trademarks if you want to get permission to do so.
Thanks,
Justin
1. https://incubator.apache.org/guides/sites.html
2. https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/#domains
3. http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/domains.html
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Re: Fwd: [DISCUSS] can we use weex.io as the short domain
namefortheapache project
Posted by Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>.
All,
ASF policy states that:
"Apache projects must host official website content on an apache.org domain"
That said, if there are issues with access speeds from some locations
I'd strongly urge affected projects to engage with our infrastructure
team to find a solution. Maybe we can set up a www/TLP mirror in China.
I have no idea how practical that is or if a better solution is
available. The infrastructure folks are the ones to talk to.
Mark
On 18/02/2019 13:02, 申远 wrote:
> Actually, with the tool provided by https://ping.chinaz.com/, there is
> huge difference of network speed between https://weex.apache.org/ and
> https://weex.io/ , though their content is totally the same.
>
> The average speed for https://weex.io/ is *65ms* from 142 different IP
> address, while it is *271ms* for https://weex.apache.org/
>
> But if using another domain is against the rule of Apache, I think I can
> live with it and redirect https://weex.io/ to https://weex.apache.org/
>
> Best Regards,
> YorkShen
>
> 申远
>
>
> 吴晟 Sheng Wu <wu.sheng@foxmail.com <ma...@foxmail.com>> 于
> 2019年2月18日周一 下午5:16写道：
>
> > weex.apache.org <http://weex.apache.org> is fast too from my
> network environment now.
>
>
> The Chinese network status is strange, we all know. :) Right?
>
> > We had received several complaint years ago from Chinese users that
> weex.apache.org <http://weex.apache.org> is slow, so we launched
> weex-project.io <http://weex-project.io> with the same
> content of weex.apache.org <http://weex.apache.org>. If this is
> against rules, I think we can make
> it redirect to weex.apache.org <http://weex.apache.org>, not sure
> whether we would receive complaint
> again.
>
> In my mind, redirect is better. You could try, and listen to the
> community.
>
>
> If really need some another, I suggest you to talk with Brand
> Management Committee.[1]
>
>
> Maybe publish an website, but don't use `weex` in name and say
> clearly, this is not Apache Weex official documents,
> just documents maintained by volunteers. This is not so cool, I know.
>
>
> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/#whoweare
>
>
> ------------------
> Sheng Wu
> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------ Original ------------------
> From: "申远"<shenyuancs@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>;
> Date: Mon, Feb 18, 2019 05:07 PM
> To: "general"<general@incubator.apache.org
> <ma...@incubator.apache.org>>;
>
> Subject: Re: Fwd: [DISCUSS] can we use weex.io <http://weex.io> as
> the short domain namefortheapache project
>
>
>
> weex.apache.org <http://weex.apache.org> is fast too from my network
> environment now.
>
> We had received several complaint years ago from Chinese users that
> weex.apache.org <http://weex.apache.org> is slow, so we launched
> weex-project.io <http://weex-project.io> with the same
> content of weex.apache.org <http://weex.apache.org>. If this is
> against rules, I think we can make
> it redirect to weex.apache.org <http://weex.apache.org>, not sure
> whether we would receive complaint
> again.
>
> Best Regards,
> YorkShen
>
> 申远
>
>
> 吴晟 Sheng Wu <wu.sheng@foxmail.com <ma...@foxmail.com>>
> 于2019年2月18日周一 下午4:56写道：
>
> > Hi
> >
> >
> > I don't know why it is slow, I just tried, very quickly.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------
> > Sheng Wu
> > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > Twitter, wusheng1108
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------ Original ------------------
> > From: "申远"<shenyuancs@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>;
> > Date: Mon, Feb 18, 2019 04:33 PM
> > To: "general"<general@incubator.apache.org
> <ma...@incubator.apache.org>>;
> >
> > Subject: Re: Fwd: [DISCUSS] can we use weex.io <http://weex.io>
> as the short domain name
> > fortheapache project
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > 3. I don't think ASF websites are facing GFW issue.
> >
> > ASF website is quite slow when accessing from China, I am not
> sure whether
> > this is a GFW issue or simply the server is on another continent
> without a
> > CDN.
> >
> > We received complains about weex.apache.org
> <http://weex.apache.org> from China mainland years ago,
> > so we deploy website to weex-project.io <http://weex-project.io>
> for fast access in China, as many
> > of our users are from China and there is CDN for weex-project.io
> <http://weex-project.io> . If
> > there is a solution for this issue, please let me know.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > YorkShen
> >
> > 申远
> >
> >
> > 吴晟 Sheng Wu <wu.sheng@foxmail.com
> <ma...@foxmail.com>> 于2019年2月18日周一 下午3:52写道：
> >
> > > Hi YorkShen
> > >
> > >
> > > From my understanding, weex project, including branding and
> logo, should
> > > be donated to ASF(at least before Graduation).
> > > The basic policy is, weex.apache.org <http://weex.apache.org>
> should be the only official website
> > > for the project.
> > > And project's website should be hosted in Apache Infra.
> > >
> > >
> > > If you have others, let's say weex.io <http://weex.io> and
> weex-project.io <http://weex-project.io>, and run by
> > > your committers team, I suggest
> > > 1. Set redirect for `weex.io <http://weex.io>` to
> `weex.apache.org <http://weex.apache.org>`, for the end user
> > > convenience.
> > > 2. For the Chinese documents, if your committers/contributors
> maintain
> > > this, put it in `http://weex.apache.org/cn/`makes
> <http://weex.apache.org/cn/makes>
> > <http://weex.apache.org/cn/makes>
> > > <http://weex.apache.org/cn/makes> sense.
> > > 3. I don't think ASF websites are facing GFW issue.
> > >
> > >
> > > If you want to publish another domain/website for ecosystem,
> you should
> > > avoid using `weex-`, `weex.`, to avoid branding issues.
> > > And I suggest you don't do that, because the community will be
> split.
> > >
> > >
> > > The following are just suggestions from my experiences.
> > > Blog(cn/en) post are popular in many Apache project, which could be
> > easily
> > > supported by our CI hook in GitHub, also have post control and
> review.
> > > If you want helps from this, ping me or
> `dev@skywalking.apache.org <ma...@skywalking.apache.org>`, we
> > > have done something.
> > >
> > >
> > > For Q&A robots, if you are running that on GitHub issue, a
> Robot account
> > > with project subscription should be good enough.
> > > If you want to do that at Website, I think it will be more complex.
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------
> > > Sheng Wu
> > > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > Twitter, wusheng1108
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------ Original ------------------
> > > From: "申远"<shenyuancs@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>;
> > > Date: Mon, Feb 18, 2019 03:07 PM
> > > To: "general"<general@incubator.apache.org
> <ma...@incubator.apache.org>>;
> > >
> > > Subject: Fwd: [DISCUSS] can we use weex.io <http://weex.io> as
> the short domain name for
> > > theapache project
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi, there
> > >
> > > I am a PPMC member of incubator-weex, there is some confusion about
> > > third-party domain and it seems like difficult to resolve in dev@
> > mailing
> > > list, maybe someone here could give a hand to solve the problem of
> > domains.
> > >
> > > 1.I 'd like to know if there is a formal rule that projects
> should use
> > > xxx.apache.org <http://xxx.apache.org> instead of xxx.io
> <http://xxx.io>, which is shorter and easier to
> > remember.
> > > 2. we have another domain weex-project.io
> <http://weex-project.io> for fast access of Çhinese
> > > Developers as GFW have some confluence on
> https://weex.apache.org/cn/.
> > Is
> > > this against rules for apache project.
> > >
> > > Best Regards,
> > > YorkShen
> > >
> > > 申远
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> > > From: Dan <faterrole@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>
> > > Date: 2019年2月15日周五 下午2:39
> > > Subject: [DISCUSS] can we use weex.io <http://weex.io> as the
> short domain name for the
> > > apache project
> > > To: <dev@weex.incubator.apache.org
> <ma...@weex.incubator.apache.org>>
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi, Myrle/Willem,
> > >
> > > Currently, we have a domain name of weex.io <http://weex.io>
> and want to use it to
> > replace
> > > the previous weex-project.io <http://weex-project.io> domain
> name for the following reasons:
> > >
> > > 1. The domain name is shorter and easier to remember.
> > > 2. Apache's website has slower access to the developer in
> China, so there
> > > is a mirror website weex-project.io <http://weex-project.io>
> for Chinese developer.
> > > 3. We expect to support https on this website and support some
> of our own
> > > server functions, such as Q&A robots, article blog posts, etc.
> > >
> > > I would like to ask if apache has any restrictions on this
> third-party
> > > domain name, and look forward to hearing from you.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Dan
>
>
>
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Re: Fwd: [DISCUSS] can we use weex.io as the short domain
namefortheapache project
Posted by 申远 <sh...@gmail.com>.
Actually, with the tool provided by https://ping.chinaz.com/, there is huge
difference of network speed between https://weex.apache.org/ and
https://weex.io/ , though their content is totally the same.
The average speed for https://weex.io/ is *65ms* from 142 different IP
address, while it is *271ms* for https://weex.apache.org/
But if using another domain is against the rule of Apache, I think I can
live with it and redirect https://weex.io/ to https://weex.apache.org/
Best Regards,
YorkShen
申远
吴晟 Sheng Wu <wu...@foxmail.com> 于2019年2月18日周一 下午5:16写道：
> > weex.apache.org is fast too from my network environment now.
>
>
> The Chinese network status is strange, we all know. :) Right?
>
> > We had received several complaint years ago from Chinese users that
> weex.apache.org is slow, so we launched weex-project.io with the same
> content of weex.apache.org. If this is against rules, I think we can make
> it redirect to weex.apache.org, not sure whether we would receive
> complaint
> again.
>
> In my mind, redirect is better. You could try, and listen to the
> community.
>
>
> If really need some another, I suggest you to talk with Brand Management
> Committee.[1]
>
>
> Maybe publish an website, but don't use `weex` in name and say clearly,
> this is not Apache Weex official documents,
> just documents maintained by volunteers. This is not so cool, I know.
>
>
> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/#whoweare
>
>
> ------------------
> Sheng Wu
> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------ Original ------------------
> From: "申远"<sh...@gmail.com>;
> Date: Mon, Feb 18, 2019 05:07 PM
> To: "general"<ge...@incubator.apache.org>;
>
> Subject: Re: Fwd: [DISCUSS] can we use weex.io as the short domain
> namefortheapache project
>
>
>
> weex.apache.org is fast too from my network environment now.
>
> We had received several complaint years ago from Chinese users that
> weex.apache.org is slow, so we launched weex-project.io with the same
> content of weex.apache.org. If this is against rules, I think we can make
> it redirect to weex.apache.org, not sure whether we would receive
> complaint
> again.
>
> Best Regards,
> YorkShen
>
> 申远
>
>
> 吴晟 Sheng Wu <wu...@foxmail.com> 于2019年2月18日周一 下午4:56写道：
>
> > Hi
> >
> >
> > I don't know why it is slow, I just tried, very quickly.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------
> > Sheng Wu
> > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > Twitter, wusheng1108
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------ Original ------------------
> > From: "申远"<sh...@gmail.com>;
> > Date: Mon, Feb 18, 2019 04:33 PM
> > To: "general"<ge...@incubator.apache.org>;
> >
> > Subject: Re: Fwd: [DISCUSS] can we use weex.io as the short domain name
> > fortheapache project
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > 3. I don't think ASF websites are facing GFW issue.
> >
> > ASF website is quite slow when accessing from China, I am not sure
> whether
> > this is a GFW issue or simply the server is on another continent without
> a
> > CDN.
> >
> > We received complains about weex.apache.org from China mainland years
> ago,
> > so we deploy website to weex-project.io for fast access in China, as
> many
> > of our users are from China and there is CDN for weex-project.io . If
> > there is a solution for this issue, please let me know.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > YorkShen
> >
> > 申远
> >
> >
> > 吴晟 Sheng Wu <wu...@foxmail.com> 于2019年2月18日周一 下午3:52写道：
> >
> > > Hi YorkShen
> > >
> > >
> > > From my understanding, weex project, including branding and logo,
> should
> > > be donated to ASF(at least before Graduation).
> > > The basic policy is, weex.apache.org should be the only official
> website
> > > for the project.
> > > And project's website should be hosted in Apache Infra.
> > >
> > >
> > > If you have others, let's say weex.io and weex-project.io, and run by
> > > your committers team, I suggest
> > > 1. Set redirect for `weex.io` to `weex.apache.org`, for the end user
> > > convenience.
> > > 2. For the Chinese documents, if your committers/contributors maintain
> > > this, put it in `http://weex.apache.org/cn/`makes
> <http://weex.apache.org/cn/makes>
> > <http://weex.apache.org/cn/makes>
> > > <http://weex.apache.org/cn/makes> sense.
> > > 3. I don't think ASF websites are facing GFW issue.
> > >
> > >
> > > If you want to publish another domain/website for ecosystem, you should
> > > avoid using `weex-`, `weex.`, to avoid branding issues.
> > > And I suggest you don't do that, because the community will be split.
> > >
> > >
> > > The following are just suggestions from my experiences.
> > > Blog(cn/en) post are popular in many Apache project, which could be
> > easily
> > > supported by our CI hook in GitHub, also have post control and review.
> > > If you want helps from this, ping me or `dev@skywalking.apache.org`,
> we
> > > have done something.
> > >
> > >
> > > For Q&A robots, if you are running that on GitHub issue, a Robot
> account
> > > with project subscription should be good enough.
> > > If you want to do that at Website, I think it will be more complex.
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------
> > > Sheng Wu
> > > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > Twitter, wusheng1108
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------ Original ------------------
> > > From: "申远"<sh...@gmail.com>;
> > > Date: Mon, Feb 18, 2019 03:07 PM
> > > To: "general"<ge...@incubator.apache.org>;
> > >
> > > Subject: Fwd: [DISCUSS] can we use weex.io as the short domain name
> for
> > > theapache project
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi, there
> > >
> > > I am a PPMC member of incubator-weex, there is some confusion about
> > > third-party domain and it seems like difficult to resolve in dev@
> > mailing
> > > list, maybe someone here could give a hand to solve the problem of
> > domains.
> > >
> > > 1.I 'd like to know if there is a formal rule that projects should use
> > > xxx.apache.org instead of xxx.io, which is shorter and easier to
> > remember.
> > > 2. we have another domain weex-project.io for fast access of Çhinese
> > > Developers as GFW have some confluence on https://weex.apache.org/cn/.
> > Is
> > > this against rules for apache project.
> > >
> > > Best Regards,
> > > YorkShen
> > >
> > > 申远
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> > > From: Dan <fa...@gmail.com>
> > > Date: 2019年2月15日周五 下午2:39
> > > Subject: [DISCUSS] can we use weex.io as the short domain name for the
> > > apache project
> > > To: <de...@weex.incubator.apache.org>
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi, Myrle/Willem,
> > >
> > > Currently, we have a domain name of weex.io and want to use it to
> > replace
> > > the previous weex-project.io domain name for the following reasons:
> > >
> > > 1. The domain name is shorter and easier to remember.
> > > 2. Apache's website has slower access to the developer in China, so
> there
> > > is a mirror website weex-project.io for Chinese developer.
> > > 3. We expect to support https on this website and support some of our
> own
> > > server functions, such as Q&A robots, article blog posts, etc.
> > >
> > > I would like to ask if apache has any restrictions on this third-party
> > > domain name, and look forward to hearing from you.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Dan
Re: Fwd: [DISCUSS] can we use weex.io as the short domain namefortheapache project
Posted by 吴晟 Sheng Wu <wu...@foxmail.com>.
> weex.apache.org is fast too from my network environment now.
The Chinese network status is strange, we all know. :) Right?
> We had received several complaint years ago from Chinese users that
weex.apache.org is slow, so we launched weex-project.io with the same
content of weex.apache.org. If this is against rules, I think we can make
it redirect to weex.apache.org, not sure whether we would receive complaint
again.
In my mind, redirect is better. You could try, and listen to the community.
If really need some another, I suggest you to talk with Brand Management Committee.[1]
Maybe publish an website, but don't use `weex` in name and say clearly, this is not Apache Weex official documents,
just documents maintained by volunteers. This is not so cool, I know.
[1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/#whoweare
------------------
Sheng Wu
Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
Twitter, wusheng1108
------------------ Original ------------------
From: "申远"<sh...@gmail.com>;
Date: Mon, Feb 18, 2019 05:07 PM
To: "general"<ge...@incubator.apache.org>;
Subject: Re: Fwd: [DISCUSS] can we use weex.io as the short domain namefortheapache project
weex.apache.org is fast too from my network environment now.
We had received several complaint years ago from Chinese users that
weex.apache.org is slow, so we launched weex-project.io with the same
content of weex.apache.org. If this is against rules, I think we can make
it redirect to weex.apache.org, not sure whether we would receive complaint
again.
Best Regards,
YorkShen
申远
吴晟 Sheng Wu <wu...@foxmail.com> 于2019年2月18日周一 下午4:56写道：
> Hi
>
>
> I don't know why it is slow, I just tried, very quickly.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------
> Sheng Wu
> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------ Original ------------------
> From: "申远"<sh...@gmail.com>;
> Date: Mon, Feb 18, 2019 04:33 PM
> To: "general"<ge...@incubator.apache.org>;
>
> Subject: Re: Fwd: [DISCUSS] can we use weex.io as the short domain name
> fortheapache project
>
>
>
> >
> > 3. I don't think ASF websites are facing GFW issue.
>
> ASF website is quite slow when accessing from China, I am not sure whether
> this is a GFW issue or simply the server is on another continent without a
> CDN.
>
> We received complains about weex.apache.org from China mainland years ago,
> so we deploy website to weex-project.io for fast access in China, as many
> of our users are from China and there is CDN for weex-project.io . If
> there is a solution for this issue, please let me know.
>
> Best Regards,
> YorkShen
>
> 申远
>
>
> 吴晟 Sheng Wu <wu...@foxmail.com> 于2019年2月18日周一 下午3:52写道：
>
> > Hi YorkShen
> >
> >
> > From my understanding, weex project, including branding and logo, should
> > be donated to ASF(at least before Graduation).
> > The basic policy is, weex.apache.org should be the only official website
> > for the project.
> > And project's website should be hosted in Apache Infra.
> >
> >
> > If you have others, let's say weex.io and weex-project.io, and run by
> > your committers team, I suggest
> > 1. Set redirect for `weex.io` to `weex.apache.org`, for the end user
> > convenience.
> > 2. For the Chinese documents, if your committers/contributors maintain
> > this, put it in `http://weex.apache.org/cn/`makes
> <http://weex.apache.org/cn/makes>
> > <http://weex.apache.org/cn/makes> sense.
> > 3. I don't think ASF websites are facing GFW issue.
> >
> >
> > If you want to publish another domain/website for ecosystem, you should
> > avoid using `weex-`, `weex.`, to avoid branding issues.
> > And I suggest you don't do that, because the community will be split.
> >
> >
> > The following are just suggestions from my experiences.
> > Blog(cn/en) post are popular in many Apache project, which could be
> easily
> > supported by our CI hook in GitHub, also have post control and review.
> > If you want helps from this, ping me or `dev@skywalking.apache.org`, we
> > have done something.
> >
> >
> > For Q&A robots, if you are running that on GitHub issue, a Robot account
> > with project subscription should be good enough.
> > If you want to do that at Website, I think it will be more complex.
> >
> >
> > ------------------
> > Sheng Wu
> > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > Twitter, wusheng1108
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------ Original ------------------
> > From: "申远"<sh...@gmail.com>;
> > Date: Mon, Feb 18, 2019 03:07 PM
> > To: "general"<ge...@incubator.apache.org>;
> >
> > Subject: Fwd: [DISCUSS] can we use weex.io as the short domain name for
> > theapache project
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi, there
> >
> > I am a PPMC member of incubator-weex, there is some confusion about
> > third-party domain and it seems like difficult to resolve in dev@
> mailing
> > list, maybe someone here could give a hand to solve the problem of
> domains.
> >
> > 1.I 'd like to know if there is a formal rule that projects should use
> > xxx.apache.org instead of xxx.io, which is shorter and easier to
> remember.
> > 2. we have another domain weex-project.io for fast access of Çhinese
> > Developers as GFW have some confluence on https://weex.apache.org/cn/.
> Is
> > this against rules for apache project.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > YorkShen
> >
> > 申远
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> > From: Dan <fa...@gmail.com>
> > Date: 2019年2月15日周五 下午2:39
> > Subject: [DISCUSS] can we use weex.io as the short domain name for the
> > apache project
> > To: <de...@weex.incubator.apache.org>
> >
> >
> > Hi, Myrle/Willem,
> >
> > Currently, we have a domain name of weex.io and want to use it to
> replace
> > the previous weex-project.io domain name for the following reasons:
> >
> > 1. The domain name is shorter and easier to remember.
> > 2. Apache's website has slower access to the developer in China, so there
> > is a mirror website weex-project.io for Chinese developer.
> > 3. We expect to support https on this website and support some of our own
> > server functions, such as Q&A robots, article blog posts, etc.
> >
> > I would like to ask if apache has any restrictions on this third-party
> > domain name, and look forward to hearing from you.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Dan
Re: Fwd: [DISCUSS] can we use weex.io as the short domain name
fortheapache project
Posted by 申远 <sh...@gmail.com>.
weex.apache.org is fast too from my network environment now.
We had received several complaint years ago from Chinese users that
weex.apache.org is slow, so we launched weex-project.io with the same
content of weex.apache.org. If this is against rules, I think we can make
it redirect to weex.apache.org, not sure whether we would receive complaint
again.
Best Regards,
YorkShen
申远
吴晟 Sheng Wu <wu...@foxmail.com> 于2019年2月18日周一 下午4:56写道：
> Hi
>
>
> I don't know why it is slow, I just tried, very quickly.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------
> Sheng Wu
> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------ Original ------------------
> From: "申远"<sh...@gmail.com>;
> Date: Mon, Feb 18, 2019 04:33 PM
> To: "general"<ge...@incubator.apache.org>;
>
> Subject: Re: Fwd: [DISCUSS] can we use weex.io as the short domain name
> fortheapache project
>
>
>
> >
> > 3. I don't think ASF websites are facing GFW issue.
>
> ASF website is quite slow when accessing from China, I am not sure whether
> this is a GFW issue or simply the server is on another continent without a
> CDN.
>
> We received complains about weex.apache.org from China mainland years ago,
> so we deploy website to weex-project.io for fast access in China, as many
> of our users are from China and there is CDN for weex-project.io . If
> there is a solution for this issue, please let me know.
>
> Best Regards,
> YorkShen
>
> 申远
>
>
> 吴晟 Sheng Wu <wu...@foxmail.com> 于2019年2月18日周一 下午3:52写道：
>
> > Hi YorkShen
> >
> >
> > From my understanding, weex project, including branding and logo, should
> > be donated to ASF(at least before Graduation).
> > The basic policy is, weex.apache.org should be the only official website
> > for the project.
> > And project's website should be hosted in Apache Infra.
> >
> >
> > If you have others, let's say weex.io and weex-project.io, and run by
> > your committers team, I suggest
> > 1. Set redirect for `weex.io` to `weex.apache.org`, for the end user
> > convenience.
> > 2. For the Chinese documents, if your committers/contributors maintain
> > this, put it in `http://weex.apache.org/cn/`makes
> <http://weex.apache.org/cn/makes>
> > <http://weex.apache.org/cn/makes> sense.
> > 3. I don't think ASF websites are facing GFW issue.
> >
> >
> > If you want to publish another domain/website for ecosystem, you should
> > avoid using `weex-`, `weex.`, to avoid branding issues.
> > And I suggest you don't do that, because the community will be split.
> >
> >
> > The following are just suggestions from my experiences.
> > Blog(cn/en) post are popular in many Apache project, which could be
> easily
> > supported by our CI hook in GitHub, also have post control and review.
> > If you want helps from this, ping me or `dev@skywalking.apache.org`, we
> > have done something.
> >
> >
> > For Q&A robots, if you are running that on GitHub issue, a Robot account
> > with project subscription should be good enough.
> > If you want to do that at Website, I think it will be more complex.
> >
> >
> > ------------------
> > Sheng Wu
> > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > Twitter, wusheng1108
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------ Original ------------------
> > From: "申远"<sh...@gmail.com>;
> > Date: Mon, Feb 18, 2019 03:07 PM
> > To: "general"<ge...@incubator.apache.org>;
> >
> > Subject: Fwd: [DISCUSS] can we use weex.io as the short domain name for
> > theapache project
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi, there
> >
> > I am a PPMC member of incubator-weex, there is some confusion about
> > third-party domain and it seems like difficult to resolve in dev@
> mailing
> > list, maybe someone here could give a hand to solve the problem of
> domains.
> >
> > 1.I 'd like to know if there is a formal rule that projects should use
> > xxx.apache.org instead of xxx.io, which is shorter and easier to
> remember.
> > 2. we have another domain weex-project.io for fast access of Çhinese
> > Developers as GFW have some confluence on https://weex.apache.org/cn/.
> Is
> > this against rules for apache project.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > YorkShen
> >
> > 申远
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> > From: Dan <fa...@gmail.com>
> > Date: 2019年2月15日周五 下午2:39
> > Subject: [DISCUSS] can we use weex.io as the short domain name for the
> > apache project
> > To: <de...@weex.incubator.apache.org>
> >
> >
> > Hi, Myrle/Willem,
> >
> > Currently, we have a domain name of weex.io and want to use it to
> replace
> > the previous weex-project.io domain name for the following reasons:
> >
> > 1. The domain name is shorter and easier to remember.
> > 2. Apache's website has slower access to the developer in China, so there
> > is a mirror website weex-project.io for Chinese developer.
> > 3. We expect to support https on this website and support some of our own
> > server functions, such as Q&A robots, article blog posts, etc.
> >
> > I would like to ask if apache has any restrictions on this third-party
> > domain name, and look forward to hearing from you.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Dan
Re: Fwd: [DISCUSS] can we use weex.io as the short domain name fortheapache project
Posted by 吴晟 Sheng Wu <wu...@foxmail.com>.
Hi
I don't know why it is slow, I just tried, very quickly.
------------------
Sheng Wu
Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
Twitter, wusheng1108
------------------ Original ------------------
From: "申远"<sh...@gmail.com>;
Date: Mon, Feb 18, 2019 04:33 PM
To: "general"<ge...@incubator.apache.org>;
Subject: Re: Fwd: [DISCUSS] can we use weex.io as the short domain name fortheapache project
>
> 3. I don't think ASF websites are facing GFW issue.
ASF website is quite slow when accessing from China, I am not sure whether
this is a GFW issue or simply the server is on another continent without a
CDN.
We received complains about weex.apache.org from China mainland years ago,
so we deploy website to weex-project.io for fast access in China, as many
of our users are from China and there is CDN for weex-project.io . If
there is a solution for this issue, please let me know.
Best Regards,
YorkShen
申远
吴晟 Sheng Wu <wu...@foxmail.com> 于2019年2月18日周一 下午3:52写道：
> Hi YorkShen
>
>
> From my understanding, weex project, including branding and logo, should
> be donated to ASF(at least before Graduation).
> The basic policy is, weex.apache.org should be the only official website
> for the project.
> And project's website should be hosted in Apache Infra.
>
>
> If you have others, let's say weex.io and weex-project.io, and run by
> your committers team, I suggest
> 1. Set redirect for `weex.io` to `weex.apache.org`, for the end user
> convenience.
> 2. For the Chinese documents, if your committers/contributors maintain
> this, put it in `http://weex.apache.org/cn/`makes
> <http://weex.apache.org/cn/makes> sense.
> 3. I don't think ASF websites are facing GFW issue.
>
>
> If you want to publish another domain/website for ecosystem, you should
> avoid using `weex-`, `weex.`, to avoid branding issues.
> And I suggest you don't do that, because the community will be split.
>
>
> The following are just suggestions from my experiences.
> Blog(cn/en) post are popular in many Apache project, which could be easily
> supported by our CI hook in GitHub, also have post control and review.
> If you want helps from this, ping me or `dev@skywalking.apache.org`, we
> have done something.
>
>
> For Q&A robots, if you are running that on GitHub issue, a Robot account
> with project subscription should be good enough.
> If you want to do that at Website, I think it will be more complex.
>
>
> ------------------
> Sheng Wu
> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------ Original ------------------
> From: "申远"<sh...@gmail.com>;
> Date: Mon, Feb 18, 2019 03:07 PM
> To: "general"<ge...@incubator.apache.org>;
>
> Subject: Fwd: [DISCUSS] can we use weex.io as the short domain name for
> theapache project
>
>
>
> Hi, there
>
> I am a PPMC member of incubator-weex, there is some confusion about
> third-party domain and it seems like difficult to resolve in dev@ mailing
> list, maybe someone here could give a hand to solve the problem of domains.
>
> 1.I 'd like to know if there is a formal rule that projects should use
> xxx.apache.org instead of xxx.io, which is shorter and easier to remember.
> 2. we have another domain weex-project.io for fast access of Çhinese
> Developers as GFW have some confluence on https://weex.apache.org/cn/. Is
> this against rules for apache project.
>
> Best Regards,
> YorkShen
>
> 申远
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Dan <fa...@gmail.com>
> Date: 2019年2月15日周五 下午2:39
> Subject: [DISCUSS] can we use weex.io as the short domain name for the
> apache project
> To: <de...@weex.incubator.apache.org>
>
>
> Hi, Myrle/Willem,
>
> Currently, we have a domain name of weex.io and want to use it to replace
> the previous weex-project.io domain name for the following reasons:
>
> 1. The domain name is shorter and easier to remember.
> 2. Apache's website has slower access to the developer in China, so there
> is a mirror website weex-project.io for Chinese developer.
> 3. We expect to support https on this website and support some of our own
> server functions, such as Q&A robots, article blog posts, etc.
>
> I would like to ask if apache has any restrictions on this third-party
> domain name, and look forward to hearing from you.
>
> Thanks,
> Dan
Re: Fwd: [DISCUSS] can we use weex.io as the short domain name for
theapache project
Posted by 申远 <sh...@gmail.com>.
>
> 3. I don't think ASF websites are facing GFW issue.
ASF website is quite slow when accessing from China, I am not sure whether
this is a GFW issue or simply the server is on another continent without a
CDN.
We received complains about weex.apache.org from China mainland years ago,
so we deploy website to weex-project.io for fast access in China, as many
of our users are from China and there is CDN for weex-project.io . If
there is a solution for this issue, please let me know.
Best Regards,
YorkShen
申远
吴晟 Sheng Wu <wu...@foxmail.com> 于2019年2月18日周一 下午3:52写道：
> Hi YorkShen
>
>
> From my understanding, weex project, including branding and logo, should
> be donated to ASF(at least before Graduation).
> The basic policy is, weex.apache.org should be the only official website
> for the project.
> And project's website should be hosted in Apache Infra.
>
>
> If you have others, let's say weex.io and weex-project.io, and run by
> your committers team, I suggest
> 1. Set redirect for `weex.io` to `weex.apache.org`, for the end user
> convenience.
> 2. For the Chinese documents, if your committers/contributors maintain
> this, put it in `http://weex.apache.org/cn/`makes
> <http://weex.apache.org/cn/makes> sense.
> 3. I don't think ASF websites are facing GFW issue.
>
>
> If you want to publish another domain/website for ecosystem, you should
> avoid using `weex-`, `weex.`, to avoid branding issues.
> And I suggest you don't do that, because the community will be split.
>
>
> The following are just suggestions from my experiences.
> Blog(cn/en) post are popular in many Apache project, which could be easily
> supported by our CI hook in GitHub, also have post control and review.
> If you want helps from this, ping me or `dev@skywalking.apache.org`, we
> have done something.
>
>
> For Q&A robots, if you are running that on GitHub issue, a Robot account
> with project subscription should be good enough.
> If you want to do that at Website, I think it will be more complex.
>
>
> ------------------
> Sheng Wu
> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------ Original ------------------
> From: "申远"<sh...@gmail.com>;
> Date: Mon, Feb 18, 2019 03:07 PM
> To: "general"<ge...@incubator.apache.org>;
>
> Subject: Fwd: [DISCUSS] can we use weex.io as the short domain name for
> theapache project
>
>
>
> Hi, there
>
> I am a PPMC member of incubator-weex, there is some confusion about
> third-party domain and it seems like difficult to resolve in dev@ mailing
> list, maybe someone here could give a hand to solve the problem of domains.
>
> 1.I 'd like to know if there is a formal rule that projects should use
> xxx.apache.org instead of xxx.io, which is shorter and easier to remember.
> 2. we have another domain weex-project.io for fast access of Çhinese
> Developers as GFW have some confluence on https://weex.apache.org/cn/. Is
> this against rules for apache project.
>
> Best Regards,
> YorkShen
>
> 申远
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Dan <fa...@gmail.com>
> Date: 2019年2月15日周五 下午2:39
> Subject: [DISCUSS] can we use weex.io as the short domain name for the
> apache project
> To: <de...@weex.incubator.apache.org>
>
>
> Hi, Myrle/Willem,
>
> Currently, we have a domain name of weex.io and want to use it to replace
> the previous weex-project.io domain name for the following reasons:
>
> 1. The domain name is shorter and easier to remember.
> 2. Apache's website has slower access to the developer in China, so there
> is a mirror website weex-project.io for Chinese developer.
> 3. We expect to support https on this website and support some of our own
> server functions, such as Q&A robots, article blog posts, etc.
>
> I would like to ask if apache has any restrictions on this third-party
> domain name, and look forward to hearing from you.
>
> Thanks,
> Dan
Re: Fwd: [DISCUSS] can we use weex.io as the short domain name for theapache project
Posted by 吴晟 Sheng Wu <wu...@foxmail.com>.
Hi YorkShen
From my understanding, weex project, including branding and logo, should be donated to ASF(at least before Graduation).
The basic policy is, weex.apache.org should be the only official website for the project.
And project's website should be hosted in Apache Infra.
If you have others, let's say weex.io and weex-project.io, and run by your committers team, I suggest
1. Set redirect for `weex.io` to `weex.apache.org`, for the end user convenience.
2. For the Chinese documents, if your committers/contributors maintain this, put it in `http://weex.apache.org/cn/`makes sense.
3. I don't think ASF websites are facing GFW issue.
If you want to publish another domain/website for ecosystem, you should avoid using `weex-`, `weex.`, to avoid branding issues.
And I suggest you don't do that, because the community will be split.
The following are just suggestions from my experiences.
Blog(cn/en) post are popular in many Apache project, which could be easily supported by our CI hook in GitHub, also have post control and review.
If you want helps from this, ping me or `dev@skywalking.apache.org`, we have done something.
For Q&A robots, if you are running that on GitHub issue, a Robot account with project subscription should be good enough.
If you want to do that at Website, I think it will be more complex.
------------------
Sheng Wu
Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
Twitter, wusheng1108
------------------ Original ------------------
From: "申远"<sh...@gmail.com>;
Date: Mon, Feb 18, 2019 03:07 PM
To: "general"<ge...@incubator.apache.org>;
Subject: Fwd: [DISCUSS] can we use weex.io as the short domain name for theapache project
Hi, there
I am a PPMC member of incubator-weex, there is some confusion about
third-party domain and it seems like difficult to resolve in dev@ mailing
list, maybe someone here could give a hand to solve the problem of domains.
1.I 'd like to know if there is a formal rule that projects should use
xxx.apache.org instead of xxx.io, which is shorter and easier to remember.
2. we have another domain weex-project.io for fast access of Çhinese
Developers as GFW have some confluence on https://weex.apache.org/cn/. Is
this against rules for apache project.
Best Regards,
YorkShen
申远
---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Dan <fa...@gmail.com>
Date: 2019年2月15日周五 下午2:39
Subject: [DISCUSS] can we use weex.io as the short domain name for the
apache project
To: <de...@weex.incubator.apache.org>
Hi, Myrle/Willem,
Currently, we have a domain name of weex.io and want to use it to replace
the previous weex-project.io domain name for the following reasons:
1. The domain name is shorter and easier to remember.
2. Apache's website has slower access to the developer in China, so there
is a mirror website weex-project.io for Chinese developer.
3. We expect to support https on this website and support some of our own
server functions, such as Q&A robots, article blog posts, etc.
I would like to ask if apache has any restrictions on this third-party
domain name, and look forward to hearing from you.
Thanks,
Dan
Re: [DISCUSS] can we use weex.io as the short domain name for the
apache project
Posted by Willem Jiang <wi...@gmail.com>.
I don't think there are some trouble to access apache project website
from China. ServiceComb project has a chinese version[1]. We didn't
get any complain about having trouble to access it from China.
[1]http://servicecomb.apache.org/cn/
Willem Jiang
Twitter: willemjiang
Weibo: 姜宁willem
On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 3:08 PM 申远 <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi, there
>
> I am a PPMC member of incubator-weex, there is some confusion about
> third-party domain and it seems like difficult to resolve in dev@ mailing
> list, maybe someone here could give a hand to solve the problem of domains.
>
> 1.I 'd like to know if there is a formal rule that projects should use
> xxx.apache.org instead of xxx.io, which is shorter and easier to remember.
> 2. we have another domain weex-project.io for fast access of Çhinese
> Developers as GFW have some confluence on https://weex.apache.org/cn/. Is
> this against rules for apache project.
>
> Best Regards,
> YorkShen
>
> 申远
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Dan <fa...@gmail.com>
> Date: 2019年2月15日周五 下午2:39
> Subject: [DISCUSS] can we use weex.io as the short domain name for the
> apache project
> To: <de...@weex.incubator.apache.org>
>
>
> Hi, Myrle/Willem,
>
> Currently, we have a domain name of weex.io and want to use it to replace
> the previous weex-project.io domain name for the following reasons:
>
> 1. The domain name is shorter and easier to remember.
> 2. Apache's website has slower access to the developer in China, so there
> is a mirror website weex-project.io for Chinese developer.
> 3. We expect to support https on this website and support some of our own
> server functions, such as Q&A robots, article blog posts, etc.
>
> I would like to ask if apache has any restrictions on this third-party
> domain name, and look forward to hearing from you.
>
> Thanks,
> Dan
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