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[general] accepting bug reports/patches in other languages?
I like localized Wiki pages and I think we can make one more step in
this direction.
How about work out a process so that we could accept bug reports and
patches on other languages? It does not look like something undoable.
Usually reproducers and patches are language-independent, and assigned
person could translate comments to English...
Ideas?
Thanks,
Mikhail
Re: [general] accepting bug reports/patches in other languages?
Posted by Spark Shen <sm...@gmail.com>.
2007/10/19, Leo Li <li...@gmail.com>:
>
> On 10/19/07, Spark Shen <sm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have created a experimental JIRA report[1] in Chinese & English.
> > I am not quite sure about whether I did the go through the right process
> > or the content is qualified enough to be readable.
> >
> > May it be a good start for us to find a appropriate process and pattern
> to
> > file multi-lingual JIRAs.
> >
> > Please correct me if I am wrong.
> >
> > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HARMONY-4971
> >
> > 2007/10/19, Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>:
> > >
> > > I have just checked: Russian language already works in JIRA along with
> > > English. They use <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
> > > charset=utf-8">, so I believe Chinese descriptions may be added to
> > > reports as well.
> > >
> > > I believe one may create a web page describing bug filing process in a
> > > native language to make it convenient for native language filers.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 10/18/07, Alexei Zakharov <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > IMO it won't be much harm. However, I think English should remain as
> a
> > > > default language and other languages are allowed only in case if
> there
> > > > is no other choice - i.e. submitter doesn't know English at all.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Alexei
> > > >
> > > > 2007/10/18, Sean Qiu <se...@gmail.com>:
> > > > > +1, it is helpful to attract more potential developers to hamrony.
> > > > >
> > > > > But i think there is no need to pay specail attention to this,
> since
> > > most of
> > > > > the JIRA are writen in English. Maybe we can create a category (
> e.g.
> > > Other
> > > > > Language) in our JIRA to classify this kind of issues. Than anyone
> who
> > > > > subscribe our commint mailing-list can rereport it to the proper
> > > location.
> > > > >
> > > > > Does it make sense?
> > > > >
> > > > > And to translate our WIKI in multi-language, i am total agree wth
> it.
> > > > > It will introduce Harmony to much more potential developers.
> > > > >
> > > > > 2007/10/18, Mikhail Loenko <ml...@gmail.com>:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well we can start for example with Chinese and Russian.
> > > > > > I think we have enough people here who could translate
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For other languages we could use e.g. auto-translators.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I suggest that we consider this as a new potential feedback
> channel,
> > > > > > if you have user feedback then you have a choice to translate it
> or
> > > ignore
> > > > > > it.
> > > > > > If we say that we don't read feedback in other languages we
> don't
> > > have
> > > > > > such a choice.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What do you think?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Mikhail
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2007/10/18, Spark Shen <sm...@gmail.com>:
> > > > > > > 2007/10/18, Mikhail Loenko <ml...@gmail.com>:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I like localized Wiki pages and I think we can make one more
> > > step in
> > > > > > > > this direction.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > How about work out a process so that we could accept bug
> reports
> > > and
> > > > > > > > patches on other languages? It does not look like something
> > > undoable.
> > > > > > > > Usually reproducers and patches are language-independent,
> and
> > > assigned
> > > > > > > > person could translate comments to English...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sounds interesting. But will this bring more work to assignees
> > > more work
> > > > > > or
> > > > > > > prevent them
> > > > > > > from understanding the issue? For example, how can JIRA report
> in
> > > > > > Turkish be
> > > > > > > readable to
> > > > > > > an English speaker?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I agree that globalized JIRA may provider more valuable
> > > information to
> > > > > > > outsiders. And how
> > > > > > > about the reporters to do the translation work? (Just a
> suggestion
> > > for
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > potential process :-) )
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Correct my if I am wrong.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ideas?
> > > >
>
> It is interesting. But how about the people with different native
> language?:) Actually I am not quite assure of the automatic
> translator. The world of computer has been so complicated to describe,
> especially problems ...
Yes, totally agree. :-) How about we have a try first? May be there is other
experts
also interested?
> >
> > >
> > > --
> > > With best regards,
> > > Alexei,
> > > ESSD, Intel
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Spark Shen
> > China Software Development Lab, IBM
> >
>
>
> --
> Leo Li
> China Software Development Lab, IBM
>
--
Spark Shen
China Software Development Lab, IBM
Re: [general] accepting bug reports/patches in other languages?
Posted by Leo Li <li...@gmail.com>.
On 10/19/07, Spark Shen <sm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I have created a experimental JIRA report[1] in Chinese & English.
> I am not quite sure about whether I did the go through the right process
> or the content is qualified enough to be readable.
>
> May it be a good start for us to find a appropriate process and pattern to
> file multi-lingual JIRAs.
>
> Please correct me if I am wrong.
>
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HARMONY-4971
>
> 2007/10/19, Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>:
> >
> > I have just checked: Russian language already works in JIRA along with
> > English. They use <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
> > charset=utf-8">, so I believe Chinese descriptions may be added to
> > reports as well.
> >
> > I believe one may create a web page describing bug filing process in a
> > native language to make it convenient for native language filers.
> >
> >
> > On 10/18/07, Alexei Zakharov <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > IMO it won't be much harm. However, I think English should remain as a
> > > default language and other languages are allowed only in case if there
> > > is no other choice - i.e. submitter doesn't know English at all.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Alexei
> > >
> > > 2007/10/18, Sean Qiu <se...@gmail.com>:
> > > > +1, it is helpful to attract more potential developers to hamrony.
> > > >
> > > > But i think there is no need to pay specail attention to this, since
> > most of
> > > > the JIRA are writen in English. Maybe we can create a category (e.g.
> > Other
> > > > Language) in our JIRA to classify this kind of issues. Than anyone who
> > > > subscribe our commint mailing-list can rereport it to the proper
> > location.
> > > >
> > > > Does it make sense?
> > > >
> > > > And to translate our WIKI in multi-language, i am total agree wth it.
> > > > It will introduce Harmony to much more potential developers.
> > > >
> > > > 2007/10/18, Mikhail Loenko <ml...@gmail.com>:
> > > > >
> > > > > Well we can start for example with Chinese and Russian.
> > > > > I think we have enough people here who could translate
> > > > >
> > > > > For other languages we could use e.g. auto-translators.
> > > > >
> > > > > I suggest that we consider this as a new potential feedback channel,
> > > > > if you have user feedback then you have a choice to translate it or
> > ignore
> > > > > it.
> > > > > If we say that we don't read feedback in other languages we don't
> > have
> > > > > such a choice.
> > > > >
> > > > > What do you think?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Mikhail
> > > > >
> > > > > 2007/10/18, Spark Shen <sm...@gmail.com>:
> > > > > > 2007/10/18, Mikhail Loenko <ml...@gmail.com>:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I like localized Wiki pages and I think we can make one more
> > step in
> > > > > > > this direction.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > How about work out a process so that we could accept bug reports
> > and
> > > > > > > patches on other languages? It does not look like something
> > undoable.
> > > > > > > Usually reproducers and patches are language-independent, and
> > assigned
> > > > > > > person could translate comments to English...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sounds interesting. But will this bring more work to assignees
> > more work
> > > > > or
> > > > > > prevent them
> > > > > > from understanding the issue? For example, how can JIRA report in
> > > > > Turkish be
> > > > > > readable to
> > > > > > an English speaker?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I agree that globalized JIRA may provider more valuable
> > information to
> > > > > > outsiders. And how
> > > > > > about the reporters to do the translation work? (Just a suggestion
> > for
> > > > > the
> > > > > > potential process :-) )
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Correct my if I am wrong.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ideas?
> > >
It is interesting. But how about the people with different native
language?:) Actually I am not quite assure of the automatic
translator. The world of computer has been so complicated to describe,
especially problems ...
> >
> >
> > --
> > With best regards,
> > Alexei,
> > ESSD, Intel
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Spark Shen
> China Software Development Lab, IBM
>
--
Leo Li
China Software Development Lab, IBM
Re: [general] accepting bug reports/patches in other languages?
Posted by Spark Shen <sm...@gmail.com>.
2007/10/19, Mikhail Loenko <ml...@gmail.com>:
>
> Very nice!
>
> Now I think we should create instructions on wiki on languages that we
> speak
> describing how to file a JIRA. And put a statement like: "now we
> accept defect reports and pathes on other langages" to the news
> section on the main page
> and to the blogs. And put the same statement on all languages
> we understand with a link to instructions on that languages
+1. And I have created a simple and crude chinese wiki pages[1] for
recording the process.
All those wired chars are encoded chinese words.
You can navigate to the page as follow:
1. Direct your browser to http://wiki.apache.org/harmony/FrontPage
2. Click the link on the second line 'Harmony
wiki中文页<http://wiki.apache.org/harmony/Harmony%20wiki%E4%B8%AD%E6%96%87%E9%A1%B5>'
[2]
3. Click the link
'Harmony中文缺陷报告起步<http://wiki.apache.org/harmony/Harmony%E4%B8%AD%E6%96%87%E7%BC%BA%E9%99%B7%E6%8A%A5%E5%91%8A%E8%B5%B7%E6%AD%A5>'
[3]
You can also see a note on '== Harmony 新闻 ==' part:
begin
* 多语言Bug 报告系统 *
-
Apache Harmony 现在支持多种语言的Bug报告。目前暂时支持中文，英文和俄文。JIRA 4971[image:
[WWW]]https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HARMONY-4971<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HARMONY-4971>使用中文和英文双语
报告了一个功能增强的问题。这个报告的内容是有实际意义的，但是形式是试验性质的。对于多语言报告的流程和形式，大家可以各抒己见。您可以把意见记录到以下页面。
Harmony中文缺陷报告起步<http://wiki.apache.org/harmony/Harmony%E4%B8%AD%E6%96%87%E7%BC%BA%E9%99%B7%E6%8A%A5%E5%91%8A%E8%B5%B7%E6%AD%A5>
end
For English wiki page, I am not quite sure where to add the link. I think we
may have a discussion.
For wiki page for Russian or any other lanugage, will anyone else help to
create them? I am lack of knowledge. :-)
[1]
http://wiki.apache.org/harmony/Harmony%E4%B8%AD%E6%96%87%E7%BC%BA%E9%99%B7%E6%8A%A5%E5%91%8A%E8%B5%B7%E6%AD%A5
[2] http://wiki.apache.org/harmony/Harmony%20wiki%E4%B8%AD%E6%96%87%E9%A1%B5
[3]
http://wiki.apache.org/harmony/Harmony%E4%B8%AD%E6%96%87%E7%BC%BA%E9%99%B7%E6%8A%A5%E5%91%8A%E8%B5%B7%E6%AD%A5
> Thanks,
> Mikhail
>
> 2007/10/19, Spark Shen <sm...@gmail.com>:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have created a experimental JIRA report[1] in Chinese & English.
> > I am not quite sure about whether I did the go through the right process
> > or the content is qualified enough to be readable.
> >
> > May it be a good start for us to find a appropriate process and pattern
> to
> > file multi-lingual JIRAs.
> >
> > Please correct me if I am wrong.
> >
> > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HARMONY-4971
> >
> > 2007/10/19, Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>:
> > >
> > > I have just checked: Russian language already works in JIRA along with
> > > English. They use <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
> > > charset=utf-8">, so I believe Chinese descriptions may be added to
> > > reports as well.
> > >
> > > I believe one may create a web page describing bug filing process in a
> > > native language to make it convenient for native language filers.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 10/18/07, Alexei Zakharov <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > IMO it won't be much harm. However, I think English should remain as
> a
> > > > default language and other languages are allowed only in case if
> there
> > > > is no other choice - i.e. submitter doesn't know English at all.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Alexei
> > > >
> > > > 2007/10/18, Sean Qiu <se...@gmail.com>:
> > > > > +1, it is helpful to attract more potential developers to hamrony.
> > > > >
> > > > > But i think there is no need to pay specail attention to this,
> since
> > > most of
> > > > > the JIRA are writen in English. Maybe we can create a category (
> e.g.
> > > Other
> > > > > Language) in our JIRA to classify this kind of issues. Than anyone
> who
> > > > > subscribe our commint mailing-list can rereport it to the proper
> > > location.
> > > > >
> > > > > Does it make sense?
> > > > >
> > > > > And to translate our WIKI in multi-language, i am total agree wth
> it.
> > > > > It will introduce Harmony to much more potential developers.
> > > > >
> > > > > 2007/10/18, Mikhail Loenko <ml...@gmail.com>:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well we can start for example with Chinese and Russian.
> > > > > > I think we have enough people here who could translate
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For other languages we could use e.g. auto-translators.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I suggest that we consider this as a new potential feedback
> channel,
> > > > > > if you have user feedback then you have a choice to translate it
> or
> > > ignore
> > > > > > it.
> > > > > > If we say that we don't read feedback in other languages we
> don't
> > > have
> > > > > > such a choice.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What do you think?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Mikhail
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2007/10/18, Spark Shen <sm...@gmail.com>:
> > > > > > > 2007/10/18, Mikhail Loenko <ml...@gmail.com>:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I like localized Wiki pages and I think we can make one more
> > > step in
> > > > > > > > this direction.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > How about work out a process so that we could accept bug
> reports
> > > and
> > > > > > > > patches on other languages? It does not look like something
> > > undoable.
> > > > > > > > Usually reproducers and patches are language-independent,
> and
> > > assigned
> > > > > > > > person could translate comments to English...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sounds interesting. But will this bring more work to assignees
> > > more work
> > > > > > or
> > > > > > > prevent them
> > > > > > > from understanding the issue? For example, how can JIRA report
> in
> > > > > > Turkish be
> > > > > > > readable to
> > > > > > > an English speaker?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I agree that globalized JIRA may provider more valuable
> > > information to
> > > > > > > outsiders. And how
> > > > > > > about the reporters to do the translation work? (Just a
> suggestion
> > > for
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > potential process :-) )
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Correct my if I am wrong.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ideas?
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > With best regards,
> > > Alexei,
> > > ESSD, Intel
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Spark Shen
> > China Software Development Lab, IBM
> >
>
--
Spark Shen
China Software Development Lab, IBM
Re: [general] accepting bug reports/patches in other languages?
Posted by Mikhail Loenko <ml...@gmail.com>.
2007/10/22, Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com>:
> Mikhail Loenko wrote:
> > Should we call a formal vote to start accepting JIRAs on the two new languages?
>
> I don't think this needs a formal vote, just go ahead.
done
>
> Regards,
> Tim
>
>
Re: [general] accepting bug reports/patches in other languages?
Posted by Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com>.
Mikhail Loenko wrote:
> Should we call a formal vote to start accepting JIRAs on the two new languages?
I don't think this needs a formal vote, just go ahead.
Regards,
Tim
Re: [general] accepting bug reports/patches in other languages?
Posted by Mikhail Loenko <ml...@gmail.com>.
2007/10/19, Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>:
> <g>Nadya might be too shy to mention that she knew five languages.
> Alexei Zakharov knows Japanese and may translate reports provided by
> Salikh. Tim is quite skilled in Russian.</g>
>
> Seriously, +1 on what Tim has just said.
Should we call a formal vote to start accepting JIRAs on the two new languages?
Thanks,
Mikhail
>
> On 10/19/07, Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Mikhail Loenko wrote:
> > > Now I think we should create instructions on wiki on languages that we speak
> > > describing how to file a JIRA. And put a statement like: "now we
> > > accept defect reports and pathes on other langages" to the news
> > > section on the main page
> > > and to the blogs. And put the same statement on all languages
> > > we understand with a link to instructions on that languages
> >
> > I realize that we are trying to be as inclusive as possible, and that is
> > an honorable goal. However, we must remember that the ASF requires
> > oversight of the official business of the project by everyone, including
> > the PMC, ASF Members, and ASF Board.
> >
> > Based on background and history, the ASF conducts its business in
> > English, and we need to ensure that any official project business is
> > accessible to *all* those who have responsibility for its oversight.
> >
> > So I have no problem with accepting defects and patches in other
> > languages provided we have a 'trusted party' who will promptly translate
> > them into English, so that everyone can see what is happening and
> > participate. For now I think that means we are restricted to accepting
> > defects in English, Russian, and Chinese. AFAIK we don't have enough
> > body of knowledge in, say, Urdu or French.
> >
> > Obviously we can choose to do our own translations of the website to
> > make it accessible by non-English speakers, and resources outside the
> > project, like blogs, are encouraged to use whatever medium they like.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Tim
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> With best regards,
> Alexei,
> ESSD, Intel
>
Re: [general] accepting bug reports/patches in other languages?
Posted by Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>.
<g>Nadya might be too shy to mention that she knew five languages.
Alexei Zakharov knows Japanese and may translate reports provided by
Salikh. Tim is quite skilled in Russian.</g>
Seriously, +1 on what Tim has just said.
On 10/19/07, Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mikhail Loenko wrote:
> > Now I think we should create instructions on wiki on languages that we speak
> > describing how to file a JIRA. And put a statement like: "now we
> > accept defect reports and pathes on other langages" to the news
> > section on the main page
> > and to the blogs. And put the same statement on all languages
> > we understand with a link to instructions on that languages
>
> I realize that we are trying to be as inclusive as possible, and that is
> an honorable goal. However, we must remember that the ASF requires
> oversight of the official business of the project by everyone, including
> the PMC, ASF Members, and ASF Board.
>
> Based on background and history, the ASF conducts its business in
> English, and we need to ensure that any official project business is
> accessible to *all* those who have responsibility for its oversight.
>
> So I have no problem with accepting defects and patches in other
> languages provided we have a 'trusted party' who will promptly translate
> them into English, so that everyone can see what is happening and
> participate. For now I think that means we are restricted to accepting
> defects in English, Russian, and Chinese. AFAIK we don't have enough
> body of knowledge in, say, Urdu or French.
>
> Obviously we can choose to do our own translations of the website to
> make it accessible by non-English speakers, and resources outside the
> project, like blogs, are encouraged to use whatever medium they like.
>
> Regards,
> Tim
>
>
--
With best regards,
Alexei,
ESSD, Intel
Re: [general] accepting bug reports/patches in other languages?
Posted by Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com>.
Mikhail Loenko wrote:
> Now I think we should create instructions on wiki on languages that we speak
> describing how to file a JIRA. And put a statement like: "now we
> accept defect reports and pathes on other langages" to the news
> section on the main page
> and to the blogs. And put the same statement on all languages
> we understand with a link to instructions on that languages
I realize that we are trying to be as inclusive as possible, and that is
an honorable goal. However, we must remember that the ASF requires
oversight of the official business of the project by everyone, including
the PMC, ASF Members, and ASF Board.
Based on background and history, the ASF conducts its business in
English, and we need to ensure that any official project business is
accessible to *all* those who have responsibility for its oversight.
So I have no problem with accepting defects and patches in other
languages provided we have a 'trusted party' who will promptly translate
them into English, so that everyone can see what is happening and
participate. For now I think that means we are restricted to accepting
defects in English, Russian, and Chinese. AFAIK we don't have enough
body of knowledge in, say, Urdu or French.
Obviously we can choose to do our own translations of the website to
make it accessible by non-English speakers, and resources outside the
project, like blogs, are encouraged to use whatever medium they like.
Regards,
Tim
Re: [general] accepting bug reports/patches in other languages?
Posted by Leo Li <li...@gmail.com>.
On 10/19/07, Mikhail Loenko <ml...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I used google translator and could easily inderstand what's there!
Great! (But from my experience it is a little hard to translate
to/from Chinese. And technique issue will make things worse.:)
But all in all it deserves a try.
I am wondering whether we can achieve this seamlessly. A user can
use the language he likes and the bug-tracking system can acknowledge
the language of the report by the locale setting from the browser and
by analyzing encoding charset. Once receiving a request of viewing,
the bug-tracking system will render the page with the information
translated to English if the locale of the target user shows that
his/her native language is different from the orginal record.
>
> 2007/10/19, Mikhail Loenko <ml...@gmail.com>:
> > Very nice!
> >
> > Now I think we should create instructions on wiki on languages that we speak
> > describing how to file a JIRA. And put a statement like: "now we
> > accept defect reports and pathes on other langages" to the news
> > section on the main page
> > and to the blogs. And put the same statement on all languages
> > we understand with a link to instructions on that languages
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mikhail
> >
> > 2007/10/19, Spark Shen <sm...@gmail.com>:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I have created a experimental JIRA report[1] in Chinese & English.
> > > I am not quite sure about whether I did the go through the right process
> > > or the content is qualified enough to be readable.
> > >
> > > May it be a good start for us to find a appropriate process and pattern to
> > > file multi-lingual JIRAs.
> > >
> > > Please correct me if I am wrong.
> > >
> > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HARMONY-4971
> > >
> > > 2007/10/19, Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>:
> > > >
> > > > I have just checked: Russian language already works in JIRA along with
> > > > English. They use <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
> > > > charset=utf-8">, so I believe Chinese descriptions may be added to
> > > > reports as well.
> > > >
> > > > I believe one may create a web page describing bug filing process in a
> > > > native language to make it convenient for native language filers.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 10/18/07, Alexei Zakharov <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > IMO it won't be much harm. However, I think English should remain as a
> > > > > default language and other languages are allowed only in case if there
> > > > > is no other choice - i.e. submitter doesn't know English at all.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Alexei
> > > > >
> > > > > 2007/10/18, Sean Qiu <se...@gmail.com>:
> > > > > > +1, it is helpful to attract more potential developers to hamrony.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But i think there is no need to pay specail attention to this, since
> > > > most of
> > > > > > the JIRA are writen in English. Maybe we can create a category (e.g.
> > > > Other
> > > > > > Language) in our JIRA to classify this kind of issues. Than anyone who
> > > > > > subscribe our commint mailing-list can rereport it to the proper
> > > > location.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Does it make sense?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And to translate our WIKI in multi-language, i am total agree wth it.
> > > > > > It will introduce Harmony to much more potential developers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2007/10/18, Mikhail Loenko <ml...@gmail.com>:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Well we can start for example with Chinese and Russian.
> > > > > > > I think we have enough people here who could translate
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For other languages we could use e.g. auto-translators.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I suggest that we consider this as a new potential feedback channel,
> > > > > > > if you have user feedback then you have a choice to translate it or
> > > > ignore
> > > > > > > it.
> > > > > > > If we say that we don't read feedback in other languages we don't
> > > > have
> > > > > > > such a choice.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What do you think?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > Mikhail
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2007/10/18, Spark Shen <sm...@gmail.com>:
> > > > > > > > 2007/10/18, Mikhail Loenko <ml...@gmail.com>:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I like localized Wiki pages and I think we can make one more
> > > > step in
> > > > > > > > > this direction.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > How about work out a process so that we could accept bug reports
> > > > and
> > > > > > > > > patches on other languages? It does not look like something
> > > > undoable.
> > > > > > > > > Usually reproducers and patches are language-independent, and
> > > > assigned
> > > > > > > > > person could translate comments to English...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sounds interesting. But will this bring more work to assignees
> > > > more work
> > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > prevent them
> > > > > > > > from understanding the issue? For example, how can JIRA report in
> > > > > > > Turkish be
> > > > > > > > readable to
> > > > > > > > an English speaker?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I agree that globalized JIRA may provider more valuable
> > > > information to
> > > > > > > > outsiders. And how
> > > > > > > > about the reporters to do the translation work? (Just a suggestion
> > > > for
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > potential process :-) )
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Correct my if I am wrong.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ideas?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > With best regards,
> > > > Alexei,
> > > > ESSD, Intel
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Spark Shen
> > > China Software Development Lab, IBM
> > >
> >
>
--
Leo Li
China Software Development Lab, IBM
Re: [general] accepting bug reports/patches in other languages?
Posted by Mikhail Loenko <ml...@gmail.com>.
I used google translator and could easily inderstand what's there!
2007/10/19, Mikhail Loenko <ml...@gmail.com>:
> Very nice!
>
> Now I think we should create instructions on wiki on languages that we speak
> describing how to file a JIRA. And put a statement like: "now we
> accept defect reports and pathes on other langages" to the news
> section on the main page
> and to the blogs. And put the same statement on all languages
> we understand with a link to instructions on that languages
>
> Thanks,
> Mikhail
>
> 2007/10/19, Spark Shen <sm...@gmail.com>:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have created a experimental JIRA report[1] in Chinese & English.
> > I am not quite sure about whether I did the go through the right process
> > or the content is qualified enough to be readable.
> >
> > May it be a good start for us to find a appropriate process and pattern to
> > file multi-lingual JIRAs.
> >
> > Please correct me if I am wrong.
> >
> > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HARMONY-4971
> >
> > 2007/10/19, Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>:
> > >
> > > I have just checked: Russian language already works in JIRA along with
> > > English. They use <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
> > > charset=utf-8">, so I believe Chinese descriptions may be added to
> > > reports as well.
> > >
> > > I believe one may create a web page describing bug filing process in a
> > > native language to make it convenient for native language filers.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 10/18/07, Alexei Zakharov <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > IMO it won't be much harm. However, I think English should remain as a
> > > > default language and other languages are allowed only in case if there
> > > > is no other choice - i.e. submitter doesn't know English at all.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Alexei
> > > >
> > > > 2007/10/18, Sean Qiu <se...@gmail.com>:
> > > > > +1, it is helpful to attract more potential developers to hamrony.
> > > > >
> > > > > But i think there is no need to pay specail attention to this, since
> > > most of
> > > > > the JIRA are writen in English. Maybe we can create a category (e.g.
> > > Other
> > > > > Language) in our JIRA to classify this kind of issues. Than anyone who
> > > > > subscribe our commint mailing-list can rereport it to the proper
> > > location.
> > > > >
> > > > > Does it make sense?
> > > > >
> > > > > And to translate our WIKI in multi-language, i am total agree wth it.
> > > > > It will introduce Harmony to much more potential developers.
> > > > >
> > > > > 2007/10/18, Mikhail Loenko <ml...@gmail.com>:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well we can start for example with Chinese and Russian.
> > > > > > I think we have enough people here who could translate
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For other languages we could use e.g. auto-translators.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I suggest that we consider this as a new potential feedback channel,
> > > > > > if you have user feedback then you have a choice to translate it or
> > > ignore
> > > > > > it.
> > > > > > If we say that we don't read feedback in other languages we don't
> > > have
> > > > > > such a choice.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What do you think?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Mikhail
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2007/10/18, Spark Shen <sm...@gmail.com>:
> > > > > > > 2007/10/18, Mikhail Loenko <ml...@gmail.com>:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I like localized Wiki pages and I think we can make one more
> > > step in
> > > > > > > > this direction.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > How about work out a process so that we could accept bug reports
> > > and
> > > > > > > > patches on other languages? It does not look like something
> > > undoable.
> > > > > > > > Usually reproducers and patches are language-independent, and
> > > assigned
> > > > > > > > person could translate comments to English...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sounds interesting. But will this bring more work to assignees
> > > more work
> > > > > > or
> > > > > > > prevent them
> > > > > > > from understanding the issue? For example, how can JIRA report in
> > > > > > Turkish be
> > > > > > > readable to
> > > > > > > an English speaker?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I agree that globalized JIRA may provider more valuable
> > > information to
> > > > > > > outsiders. And how
> > > > > > > about the reporters to do the translation work? (Just a suggestion
> > > for
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > potential process :-) )
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Correct my if I am wrong.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ideas?
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > With best regards,
> > > Alexei,
> > > ESSD, Intel
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Spark Shen
> > China Software Development Lab, IBM
> >
>
Re: [general] accepting bug reports/patches in other languages?
Posted by Mikhail Loenko <ml...@gmail.com>.
Very nice!
Now I think we should create instructions on wiki on languages that we speak
describing how to file a JIRA. And put a statement like: "now we
accept defect reports and pathes on other langages" to the news
section on the main page
and to the blogs. And put the same statement on all languages
we understand with a link to instructions on that languages
Thanks,
Mikhail
2007/10/19, Spark Shen <sm...@gmail.com>:
> Hi all,
>
> I have created a experimental JIRA report[1] in Chinese & English.
> I am not quite sure about whether I did the go through the right process
> or the content is qualified enough to be readable.
>
> May it be a good start for us to find a appropriate process and pattern to
> file multi-lingual JIRAs.
>
> Please correct me if I am wrong.
>
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HARMONY-4971
>
> 2007/10/19, Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>:
> >
> > I have just checked: Russian language already works in JIRA along with
> > English. They use <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
> > charset=utf-8">, so I believe Chinese descriptions may be added to
> > reports as well.
> >
> > I believe one may create a web page describing bug filing process in a
> > native language to make it convenient for native language filers.
> >
> >
> > On 10/18/07, Alexei Zakharov <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > IMO it won't be much harm. However, I think English should remain as a
> > > default language and other languages are allowed only in case if there
> > > is no other choice - i.e. submitter doesn't know English at all.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Alexei
> > >
> > > 2007/10/18, Sean Qiu <se...@gmail.com>:
> > > > +1, it is helpful to attract more potential developers to hamrony.
> > > >
> > > > But i think there is no need to pay specail attention to this, since
> > most of
> > > > the JIRA are writen in English. Maybe we can create a category (e.g.
> > Other
> > > > Language) in our JIRA to classify this kind of issues. Than anyone who
> > > > subscribe our commint mailing-list can rereport it to the proper
> > location.
> > > >
> > > > Does it make sense?
> > > >
> > > > And to translate our WIKI in multi-language, i am total agree wth it.
> > > > It will introduce Harmony to much more potential developers.
> > > >
> > > > 2007/10/18, Mikhail Loenko <ml...@gmail.com>:
> > > > >
> > > > > Well we can start for example with Chinese and Russian.
> > > > > I think we have enough people here who could translate
> > > > >
> > > > > For other languages we could use e.g. auto-translators.
> > > > >
> > > > > I suggest that we consider this as a new potential feedback channel,
> > > > > if you have user feedback then you have a choice to translate it or
> > ignore
> > > > > it.
> > > > > If we say that we don't read feedback in other languages we don't
> > have
> > > > > such a choice.
> > > > >
> > > > > What do you think?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Mikhail
> > > > >
> > > > > 2007/10/18, Spark Shen <sm...@gmail.com>:
> > > > > > 2007/10/18, Mikhail Loenko <ml...@gmail.com>:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I like localized Wiki pages and I think we can make one more
> > step in
> > > > > > > this direction.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > How about work out a process so that we could accept bug reports
> > and
> > > > > > > patches on other languages? It does not look like something
> > undoable.
> > > > > > > Usually reproducers and patches are language-independent, and
> > assigned
> > > > > > > person could translate comments to English...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sounds interesting. But will this bring more work to assignees
> > more work
> > > > > or
> > > > > > prevent them
> > > > > > from understanding the issue? For example, how can JIRA report in
> > > > > Turkish be
> > > > > > readable to
> > > > > > an English speaker?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I agree that globalized JIRA may provider more valuable
> > information to
> > > > > > outsiders. And how
> > > > > > about the reporters to do the translation work? (Just a suggestion
> > for
> > > > > the
> > > > > > potential process :-) )
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Correct my if I am wrong.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ideas?
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > With best regards,
> > Alexei,
> > ESSD, Intel
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Spark Shen
> China Software Development Lab, IBM
>
Re: [general] accepting bug reports/patches in other languages?
Posted by Spark Shen <sm...@gmail.com>.
Hi all,
I have created a experimental JIRA report[1] in Chinese & English.
I am not quite sure about whether I did the go through the right process
or the content is qualified enough to be readable.
May it be a good start for us to find a appropriate process and pattern to
file multi-lingual JIRAs.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
[1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HARMONY-4971
2007/10/19, Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>:
>
> I have just checked: Russian language already works in JIRA along with
> English. They use <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
> charset=utf-8">, so I believe Chinese descriptions may be added to
> reports as well.
>
> I believe one may create a web page describing bug filing process in a
> native language to make it convenient for native language filers.
>
>
> On 10/18/07, Alexei Zakharov <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > IMO it won't be much harm. However, I think English should remain as a
> > default language and other languages are allowed only in case if there
> > is no other choice - i.e. submitter doesn't know English at all.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Alexei
> >
> > 2007/10/18, Sean Qiu <se...@gmail.com>:
> > > +1, it is helpful to attract more potential developers to hamrony.
> > >
> > > But i think there is no need to pay specail attention to this, since
> most of
> > > the JIRA are writen in English. Maybe we can create a category (e.g.
> Other
> > > Language) in our JIRA to classify this kind of issues. Than anyone who
> > > subscribe our commint mailing-list can rereport it to the proper
> location.
> > >
> > > Does it make sense?
> > >
> > > And to translate our WIKI in multi-language, i am total agree wth it.
> > > It will introduce Harmony to much more potential developers.
> > >
> > > 2007/10/18, Mikhail Loenko <ml...@gmail.com>:
> > > >
> > > > Well we can start for example with Chinese and Russian.
> > > > I think we have enough people here who could translate
> > > >
> > > > For other languages we could use e.g. auto-translators.
> > > >
> > > > I suggest that we consider this as a new potential feedback channel,
> > > > if you have user feedback then you have a choice to translate it or
> ignore
> > > > it.
> > > > If we say that we don't read feedback in other languages we don't
> have
> > > > such a choice.
> > > >
> > > > What do you think?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Mikhail
> > > >
> > > > 2007/10/18, Spark Shen <sm...@gmail.com>:
> > > > > 2007/10/18, Mikhail Loenko <ml...@gmail.com>:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I like localized Wiki pages and I think we can make one more
> step in
> > > > > > this direction.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How about work out a process so that we could accept bug reports
> and
> > > > > > patches on other languages? It does not look like something
> undoable.
> > > > > > Usually reproducers and patches are language-independent, and
> assigned
> > > > > > person could translate comments to English...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Sounds interesting. But will this bring more work to assignees
> more work
> > > > or
> > > > > prevent them
> > > > > from understanding the issue? For example, how can JIRA report in
> > > > Turkish be
> > > > > readable to
> > > > > an English speaker?
> > > > >
> > > > > I agree that globalized JIRA may provider more valuable
> information to
> > > > > outsiders. And how
> > > > > about the reporters to do the translation work? (Just a suggestion
> for
> > > > the
> > > > > potential process :-) )
> > > > >
> > > > > Correct my if I am wrong.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ideas?
> >
>
>
> --
> With best regards,
> Alexei,
> ESSD, Intel
>
--
Spark Shen
China Software Development Lab, IBM
Re: [general] accepting bug reports/patches in other languages?
Posted by Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>.
I have just checked: Russian language already works in JIRA along with
English. They use <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
charset=utf-8">, so I believe Chinese descriptions may be added to
reports as well.
I believe one may create a web page describing bug filing process in a
native language to make it convenient for native language filers.
On 10/18/07, Alexei Zakharov <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> IMO it won't be much harm. However, I think English should remain as a
> default language and other languages are allowed only in case if there
> is no other choice - i.e. submitter doesn't know English at all.
>
> Thanks,
> Alexei
>
> 2007/10/18, Sean Qiu <se...@gmail.com>:
> > +1, it is helpful to attract more potential developers to hamrony.
> >
> > But i think there is no need to pay specail attention to this, since most of
> > the JIRA are writen in English. Maybe we can create a category (e.g. Other
> > Language) in our JIRA to classify this kind of issues. Than anyone who
> > subscribe our commint mailing-list can rereport it to the proper location.
> >
> > Does it make sense?
> >
> > And to translate our WIKI in multi-language, i am total agree wth it.
> > It will introduce Harmony to much more potential developers.
> >
> > 2007/10/18, Mikhail Loenko <ml...@gmail.com>:
> > >
> > > Well we can start for example with Chinese and Russian.
> > > I think we have enough people here who could translate
> > >
> > > For other languages we could use e.g. auto-translators.
> > >
> > > I suggest that we consider this as a new potential feedback channel,
> > > if you have user feedback then you have a choice to translate it or ignore
> > > it.
> > > If we say that we don't read feedback in other languages we don't have
> > > such a choice.
> > >
> > > What do you think?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Mikhail
> > >
> > > 2007/10/18, Spark Shen <sm...@gmail.com>:
> > > > 2007/10/18, Mikhail Loenko <ml...@gmail.com>:
> > > > >
> > > > > I like localized Wiki pages and I think we can make one more step in
> > > > > this direction.
> > > > >
> > > > > How about work out a process so that we could accept bug reports and
> > > > > patches on other languages? It does not look like something undoable.
> > > > > Usually reproducers and patches are language-independent, and assigned
> > > > > person could translate comments to English...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sounds interesting. But will this bring more work to assignees more work
> > > or
> > > > prevent them
> > > > from understanding the issue? For example, how can JIRA report in
> > > Turkish be
> > > > readable to
> > > > an English speaker?
> > > >
> > > > I agree that globalized JIRA may provider more valuable information to
> > > > outsiders. And how
> > > > about the reporters to do the translation work? (Just a suggestion for
> > > the
> > > > potential process :-) )
> > > >
> > > > Correct my if I am wrong.
> > > >
> > > > Ideas?
>
--
With best regards,
Alexei,
ESSD, Intel
Re: [general] accepting bug reports/patches in other languages?
Posted by Sean Qiu <se...@gmail.com>.
agree
2007/10/18, Alexei Zakharov <al...@gmail.com>:
>
> IMO it won't be much harm. However, I think English should remain as a
> default language and other languages are allowed only in case if there
> is no other choice - i.e. submitter doesn't know English at all.
>
> Thanks,
> Alexei
>
> 2007/10/18, Sean Qiu <se...@gmail.com>:
> > +1, it is helpful to attract more potential developers to hamrony.
> >
> > But i think there is no need to pay specail attention to this, since
> most of
> > the JIRA are writen in English. Maybe we can create a category (e.g.
> Other
> > Language) in our JIRA to classify this kind of issues. Than anyone who
> > subscribe our commint mailing-list can rereport it to the proper
> location.
> >
> > Does it make sense?
> >
> > And to translate our WIKI in multi-language, i am total agree wth it.
> > It will introduce Harmony to much more potential developers.
> >
> > 2007/10/18, Mikhail Loenko <ml...@gmail.com>:
> > >
> > > Well we can start for example with Chinese and Russian.
> > > I think we have enough people here who could translate
> > >
> > > For other languages we could use e.g. auto-translators.
> > >
> > > I suggest that we consider this as a new potential feedback channel,
> > > if you have user feedback then you have a choice to translate it or
> ignore
> > > it.
> > > If we say that we don't read feedback in other languages we don't have
> > > such a choice.
> > >
> > > What do you think?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Mikhail
> > >
> > > 2007/10/18, Spark Shen <sm...@gmail.com>:
> > > > 2007/10/18, Mikhail Loenko <ml...@gmail.com>:
> > > > >
> > > > > I like localized Wiki pages and I think we can make one more step
> in
> > > > > this direction.
> > > > >
> > > > > How about work out a process so that we could accept bug reports
> and
> > > > > patches on other languages? It does not look like something
> undoable.
> > > > > Usually reproducers and patches are language-independent, and
> assigned
> > > > > person could translate comments to English...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sounds interesting. But will this bring more work to assignees more
> work
> > > or
> > > > prevent them
> > > > from understanding the issue? For example, how can JIRA report in
> > > Turkish be
> > > > readable to
> > > > an English speaker?
> > > >
> > > > I agree that globalized JIRA may provider more valuable information
> to
> > > > outsiders. And how
> > > > about the reporters to do the translation work? (Just a suggestion
> for
> > > the
> > > > potential process :-) )
> > > >
> > > > Correct my if I am wrong.
> > > >
> > > > Ideas?
>
--
Sean Qiu
China Software Development Lab, IBM
Re: [general] accepting bug reports/patches in other languages?
Posted by Alexei Zakharov <al...@gmail.com>.
IMO it won't be much harm. However, I think English should remain as a
default language and other languages are allowed only in case if there
is no other choice - i.e. submitter doesn't know English at all.
Thanks,
Alexei
2007/10/18, Sean Qiu <se...@gmail.com>:
> +1, it is helpful to attract more potential developers to hamrony.
>
> But i think there is no need to pay specail attention to this, since most of
> the JIRA are writen in English. Maybe we can create a category (e.g. Other
> Language) in our JIRA to classify this kind of issues. Than anyone who
> subscribe our commint mailing-list can rereport it to the proper location.
>
> Does it make sense?
>
> And to translate our WIKI in multi-language, i am total agree wth it.
> It will introduce Harmony to much more potential developers.
>
> 2007/10/18, Mikhail Loenko <ml...@gmail.com>:
> >
> > Well we can start for example with Chinese and Russian.
> > I think we have enough people here who could translate
> >
> > For other languages we could use e.g. auto-translators.
> >
> > I suggest that we consider this as a new potential feedback channel,
> > if you have user feedback then you have a choice to translate it or ignore
> > it.
> > If we say that we don't read feedback in other languages we don't have
> > such a choice.
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mikhail
> >
> > 2007/10/18, Spark Shen <sm...@gmail.com>:
> > > 2007/10/18, Mikhail Loenko <ml...@gmail.com>:
> > > >
> > > > I like localized Wiki pages and I think we can make one more step in
> > > > this direction.
> > > >
> > > > How about work out a process so that we could accept bug reports and
> > > > patches on other languages? It does not look like something undoable.
> > > > Usually reproducers and patches are language-independent, and assigned
> > > > person could translate comments to English...
> > >
> > >
> > > Sounds interesting. But will this bring more work to assignees more work
> > or
> > > prevent them
> > > from understanding the issue? For example, how can JIRA report in
> > Turkish be
> > > readable to
> > > an English speaker?
> > >
> > > I agree that globalized JIRA may provider more valuable information to
> > > outsiders. And how
> > > about the reporters to do the translation work? (Just a suggestion for
> > the
> > > potential process :-) )
> > >
> > > Correct my if I am wrong.
> > >
> > > Ideas?
Re: [general] accepting bug reports/patches in other languages?
Posted by Sean Qiu <se...@gmail.com>.
+1, it is helpful to attract more potential developers to hamrony.
But i think there is no need to pay specail attention to this, since most of
the JIRA are writen in English. Maybe we can create a category (e.g. Other
Language) in our JIRA to classify this kind of issues. Than anyone who
subscribe our commint mailing-list can rereport it to the proper location.
Does it make sense?
And to translate our WIKI in multi-language, i am total agree wth it.
It will introduce Harmony to much more potential developers.
2007/10/18, Mikhail Loenko <ml...@gmail.com>:
>
> Well we can start for example with Chinese and Russian.
> I think we have enough people here who could translate
>
> For other languages we could use e.g. auto-translators.
>
> I suggest that we consider this as a new potential feedback channel,
> if you have user feedback then you have a choice to translate it or ignore
> it.
> If we say that we don't read feedback in other languages we don't have
> such a choice.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Thanks,
> Mikhail
>
> 2007/10/18, Spark Shen <sm...@gmail.com>:
> > 2007/10/18, Mikhail Loenko <ml...@gmail.com>:
> > >
> > > I like localized Wiki pages and I think we can make one more step in
> > > this direction.
> > >
> > > How about work out a process so that we could accept bug reports and
> > > patches on other languages? It does not look like something undoable.
> > > Usually reproducers and patches are language-independent, and assigned
> > > person could translate comments to English...
> >
> >
> > Sounds interesting. But will this bring more work to assignees more work
> or
> > prevent them
> > from understanding the issue? For example, how can JIRA report in
> Turkish be
> > readable to
> > an English speaker?
> >
> > I agree that globalized JIRA may provider more valuable information to
> > outsiders. And how
> > about the reporters to do the translation work? (Just a suggestion for
> the
> > potential process :-) )
> >
> > Correct my if I am wrong.
> >
> > Ideas?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Mikhail
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Spark Shen
> > China Software Development Lab, IBM
> >
>
--
Sean Qiu
China Software Development Lab, IBM
Re: [general] accepting bug reports/patches in other languages?
Posted by Nadya Morozova <na...@googlemail.com>.
The idea of supporting non-English speakers is rather promising, but i am
not sure we're ready to port the issue tracking system to it.
firstly, a person not knowing English enough to submit a bug won't be able
to reach the bug tracker and navigate in it.
secondly, a person submitting bugs in a language other than English will
need localized documentation. Chinese and Russian help can be a start, we
should probably write some more materials in these languages - such as a
localized download page and key features page. linking to bug tracker from
there can lead non-English speakers further.
On 10/18/07, Alexey Varlamov <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 2007/10/18, Mikhail Loenko <ml...@gmail.com>:
> > Well we can start for example with Chinese and Russian.
> > I think we have enough people here who could translate
> >
> > For other languages we could use e.g. auto-translators.
> >
> > I suggest that we consider this as a new potential feedback channel,
> > if you have user feedback then you have a choice to translate it or
> ignore it.
> > If we say that we don't read feedback in other languages we don't have
> > such a choice.
> >
> > What do you think?
>
> Sounds interesting. I think we may try such workflow internally for
> now (before publicly advertising multilingual support), e.g. some of
> fellow contributors files a couple of non-english JIRAs, and watch how
> others will respond, and how much overhead the translation will incur
> :)
>
> Apparently the translation of initial report should happen promptly,
> to enable all community resources to evaluate/fix/commit the issue.
> BTW, how issue summaries should look then - bi-lingual strings to
> allow normal navigation for all?
>
> OTOH w/o multilingual website I doubt we'll get much of non-english
> reports - at least user instructions should be available on other
> languages; besides JIRA interface is English only.
>
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mikhail
> >
> > 2007/10/18, Spark Shen <sm...@gmail.com>:
> > > 2007/10/18, Mikhail Loenko <ml...@gmail.com>:
> > > >
> > > > I like localized Wiki pages and I think we can make one more step in
> > > > this direction.
> > > >
> > > > How about work out a process so that we could accept bug reports and
> > > > patches on other languages? It does not look like something
> undoable.
> > > > Usually reproducers and patches are language-independent, and
> assigned
> > > > person could translate comments to English...
> > >
> > >
> > > Sounds interesting. But will this bring more work to assignees more
> work or
> > > prevent them
> > > from understanding the issue? For example, how can JIRA report in
> Turkish be
> > > readable to
> > > an English speaker?
> > >
> > > I agree that globalized JIRA may provider more valuable information to
> > > outsiders. And how
> > > about the reporters to do the translation work? (Just a suggestion for
> the
> > > potential process :-) )
> > >
> > > Correct my if I am wrong.
> > >
> > > Ideas?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Mikhail
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Spark Shen
> > > China Software Development Lab, IBM
> > >
> >
>
--
Cheers,
Nadya
Re: [general] accepting bug reports/patches in other languages?
Posted by Alexey Varlamov <al...@gmail.com>.
2007/10/18, Mikhail Loenko <ml...@gmail.com>:
> Well we can start for example with Chinese and Russian.
> I think we have enough people here who could translate
>
> For other languages we could use e.g. auto-translators.
>
> I suggest that we consider this as a new potential feedback channel,
> if you have user feedback then you have a choice to translate it or ignore it.
> If we say that we don't read feedback in other languages we don't have
> such a choice.
>
> What do you think?
Sounds interesting. I think we may try such workflow internally for
now (before publicly advertising multilingual support), e.g. some of
fellow contributors files a couple of non-english JIRAs, and watch how
others will respond, and how much overhead the translation will incur
:)
Apparently the translation of initial report should happen promptly,
to enable all community resources to evaluate/fix/commit the issue.
BTW, how issue summaries should look then - bi-lingual strings to
allow normal navigation for all?
OTOH w/o multilingual website I doubt we'll get much of non-english
reports - at least user instructions should be available on other
languages; besides JIRA interface is English only.
>
> Thanks,
> Mikhail
>
> 2007/10/18, Spark Shen <sm...@gmail.com>:
> > 2007/10/18, Mikhail Loenko <ml...@gmail.com>:
> > >
> > > I like localized Wiki pages and I think we can make one more step in
> > > this direction.
> > >
> > > How about work out a process so that we could accept bug reports and
> > > patches on other languages? It does not look like something undoable.
> > > Usually reproducers and patches are language-independent, and assigned
> > > person could translate comments to English...
> >
> >
> > Sounds interesting. But will this bring more work to assignees more work or
> > prevent them
> > from understanding the issue? For example, how can JIRA report in Turkish be
> > readable to
> > an English speaker?
> >
> > I agree that globalized JIRA may provider more valuable information to
> > outsiders. And how
> > about the reporters to do the translation work? (Just a suggestion for the
> > potential process :-) )
> >
> > Correct my if I am wrong.
> >
> > Ideas?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Mikhail
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Spark Shen
> > China Software Development Lab, IBM
> >
>
Re: [general] accepting bug reports/patches in other languages?
Posted by Andrew Zhang <zh...@gmail.com>.
On 10/18/07, Mikhail Loenko <ml...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> <snip>
> I suggest that we consider this as a new potential feedback channel,
> if you have user feedback then you have a choice to translate it or ignore
> it.
> If we say that we don't read feedback in other languages we don't have
> such a choice.
Yes, that's the point!
What do you think?
>
> Thanks,
> Mikhail
>
> 2007/10/18, Spark Shen <sm...@gmail.com>:
> > 2007/10/18, Mikhail Loenko <ml...@gmail.com>:
> > >
> > > I like localized Wiki pages and I think we can make one more step in
> > > this direction.
> > >
> > > How about work out a process so that we could accept bug reports and
> > > patches on other languages? It does not look like something undoable.
> > > Usually reproducers and patches are language-independent, and assigned
> > > person could translate comments to English...
> >
> >
> > Sounds interesting. But will this bring more work to assignees more work
> or
> > prevent them
> > from understanding the issue? For example, how can JIRA report in
> Turkish be
> > readable to
> > an English speaker?
> >
> > I agree that globalized JIRA may provider more valuable information to
> > outsiders. And how
> > about the reporters to do the translation work? (Just a suggestion for
> the
> > potential process :-) )
> >
> > Correct my if I am wrong.
> >
> > Ideas?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Mikhail
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Spark Shen
> > China Software Development Lab, IBM
> >
>
--
Best regards,
Andrew Zhang
http://zhanghuangzhu.blogspot.com/
Re: [general] accepting bug reports/patches in other languages?
Posted by Spark Shen <sm...@gmail.com>.
2007/10/18, Andrew Zhang <zh...@gmail.com>:
>
> On 10/18/07, Spark Shen <sm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > 2007/10/18, Mikhail Loenko <ml...@gmail.com>:
> > >
> > > Well we can start for example with Chinese and Russian.
> > > I think we have enough people here who could translate
> > >
> > > For other languages we could use e.g. auto-translators.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I suggest that we consider this as a new potential feedback channel,
> > > if you have user feedback then you have a choice to translate it or
> > ignore
> > > it.
> > > If we say that we don't read feedback in other languages we don't have
> > > such a choice.
> > >
> > > What do you think?
> >
> >
> > I think the idea here is to provider information for more potential
> > developers and to attract them.
> > And since our JIRA system is an open system, of course reporters can
> > modify
> > it according to
> > different requirement. And I agree with your idea: to provide
> > multi-lingual
> > edition report has its value.
> >
> > My thought here is the duplicated work - report it once in A language
> and
> > then translate it using B
> > language providing identical information. (I assume most developers
> > understand English version JIRA report well).
>
>
> I think the idea is to give non-Engish speaker an opportunity to report
> their feedbacks, not for those who understand English.
I'd like to explain my point more clearly.
I think the opportunity is always there. Just nobody noticed this potential
usage.
To setup an example (report JIRA in Russian or Chinese or other languages)
to do things like this will have positive impacts.
And I do agree this is a great channel.
But, IMHO, duplicate efforts and lack of language knowledge will also be a
factor to prevent people from doing that.
So, a tool may not be a bad idea.
May be we could provide a tool just like that for auto translating apache
> > license v1.1 to v2. To some degree,
> > we can automate the process and avoid some efforts.
> >
> > Just a superficial thought. :-)
> >
> > Thanks,
> > > Mikhail
> > >
> > > 2007/10/18, Spark Shen <sm...@gmail.com>:
> > > > 2007/10/18, Mikhail Loenko <ml...@gmail.com>:
> > > > >
> > > > > I like localized Wiki pages and I think we can make one more step
> in
> > > > > this direction.
> > > > >
> > > > > How about work out a process so that we could accept bug reports
> and
> > > > > patches on other languages? It does not look like something
> > undoable.
> > > > > Usually reproducers and patches are language-independent, and
> > assigned
> > > > > person could translate comments to English...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sounds interesting. But will this bring more work to assignees more
> > work
> > > or
> > > > prevent them
> > > > from understanding the issue? For example, how can JIRA report in
> > > Turkish be
> > > > readable to
> > > > an English speaker?
> > > >
> > > > I agree that globalized JIRA may provider more valuable information
> to
> > > > outsiders. And how
> > > > about the reporters to do the translation work? (Just a suggestion
> for
> > > the
> > > > potential process :-) )
> > > >
> > > > Correct my if I am wrong.
> > > >
> > > > Ideas?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Mikhail
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Spark Shen
> > > > China Software Development Lab, IBM
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Spark Shen
> > China Software Development Lab, IBM
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Andrew Zhang
>
> http://zhanghuangzhu.blogspot.com/
>
--
Spark Shen
China Software Development Lab, IBM
Re: [general] accepting bug reports/patches in other languages?
Posted by Andrew Zhang <zh...@gmail.com>.
On 10/18/07, Spark Shen <sm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 2007/10/18, Mikhail Loenko <ml...@gmail.com>:
> >
> > Well we can start for example with Chinese and Russian.
> > I think we have enough people here who could translate
> >
> > For other languages we could use e.g. auto-translators.
>
>
>
>
> I suggest that we consider this as a new potential feedback channel,
> > if you have user feedback then you have a choice to translate it or
> ignore
> > it.
> > If we say that we don't read feedback in other languages we don't have
> > such a choice.
> >
> > What do you think?
>
>
> I think the idea here is to provider information for more potential
> developers and to attract them.
> And since our JIRA system is an open system, of course reporters can
> modify
> it according to
> different requirement. And I agree with your idea: to provide
> multi-lingual
> edition report has its value.
>
> My thought here is the duplicated work - report it once in A language and
> then translate it using B
> language providing identical information. (I assume most developers
> understand English version JIRA report well).
I think the idea is to give non-Engish speaker an opportunity to report
their feedbacks, not for those who understand English.
May be we could provide a tool just like that for auto translating apache
> license v1.1 to v2. To some degree,
> we can automate the process and avoid some efforts.
>
> Just a superficial thought. :-)
>
> Thanks,
> > Mikhail
> >
> > 2007/10/18, Spark Shen <sm...@gmail.com>:
> > > 2007/10/18, Mikhail Loenko <ml...@gmail.com>:
> > > >
> > > > I like localized Wiki pages and I think we can make one more step in
> > > > this direction.
> > > >
> > > > How about work out a process so that we could accept bug reports and
> > > > patches on other languages? It does not look like something
> undoable.
> > > > Usually reproducers and patches are language-independent, and
> assigned
> > > > person could translate comments to English...
> > >
> > >
> > > Sounds interesting. But will this bring more work to assignees more
> work
> > or
> > > prevent them
> > > from understanding the issue? For example, how can JIRA report in
> > Turkish be
> > > readable to
> > > an English speaker?
> > >
> > > I agree that globalized JIRA may provider more valuable information to
> > > outsiders. And how
> > > about the reporters to do the translation work? (Just a suggestion for
> > the
> > > potential process :-) )
> > >
> > > Correct my if I am wrong.
> > >
> > > Ideas?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Mikhail
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Spark Shen
> > > China Software Development Lab, IBM
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Spark Shen
> China Software Development Lab, IBM
>
--
Best regards,
Andrew Zhang
http://zhanghuangzhu.blogspot.com/
Re: [general] accepting bug reports/patches in other languages?
Posted by Spark Shen <sm...@gmail.com>.
2007/10/18, Mikhail Loenko <ml...@gmail.com>:
>
> Well we can start for example with Chinese and Russian.
> I think we have enough people here who could translate
>
> For other languages we could use e.g. auto-translators.
I suggest that we consider this as a new potential feedback channel,
> if you have user feedback then you have a choice to translate it or ignore
> it.
> If we say that we don't read feedback in other languages we don't have
> such a choice.
>
> What do you think?
I think the idea here is to provider information for more potential
developers and to attract them.
And since our JIRA system is an open system, of course reporters can modify
it according to
different requirement. And I agree with your idea: to provide multi-lingual
edition report has its value.
My thought here is the duplicated work - report it once in A language and
then translate it using B
language providing identical information. (I assume most developers
understand English version JIRA report well).
May be we could provide a tool just like that for auto translating apache
license v1.1 to v2. To some degree,
we can automate the process and avoid some efforts.
Just a superficial thought. :-)
Thanks,
> Mikhail
>
> 2007/10/18, Spark Shen <sm...@gmail.com>:
> > 2007/10/18, Mikhail Loenko <ml...@gmail.com>:
> > >
> > > I like localized Wiki pages and I think we can make one more step in
> > > this direction.
> > >
> > > How about work out a process so that we could accept bug reports and
> > > patches on other languages? It does not look like something undoable.
> > > Usually reproducers and patches are language-independent, and assigned
> > > person could translate comments to English...
> >
> >
> > Sounds interesting. But will this bring more work to assignees more work
> or
> > prevent them
> > from understanding the issue? For example, how can JIRA report in
> Turkish be
> > readable to
> > an English speaker?
> >
> > I agree that globalized JIRA may provider more valuable information to
> > outsiders. And how
> > about the reporters to do the translation work? (Just a suggestion for
> the
> > potential process :-) )
> >
> > Correct my if I am wrong.
> >
> > Ideas?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Mikhail
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Spark Shen
> > China Software Development Lab, IBM
> >
>
--
Spark Shen
China Software Development Lab, IBM
Re: [general] accepting bug reports/patches in other languages?
Posted by Mikhail Loenko <ml...@gmail.com>.
Well we can start for example with Chinese and Russian.
I think we have enough people here who could translate
For other languages we could use e.g. auto-translators.
I suggest that we consider this as a new potential feedback channel,
if you have user feedback then you have a choice to translate it or ignore it.
If we say that we don't read feedback in other languages we don't have
such a choice.
What do you think?
Thanks,
Mikhail
2007/10/18, Spark Shen <sm...@gmail.com>:
> 2007/10/18, Mikhail Loenko <ml...@gmail.com>:
> >
> > I like localized Wiki pages and I think we can make one more step in
> > this direction.
> >
> > How about work out a process so that we could accept bug reports and
> > patches on other languages? It does not look like something undoable.
> > Usually reproducers and patches are language-independent, and assigned
> > person could translate comments to English...
>
>
> Sounds interesting. But will this bring more work to assignees more work or
> prevent them
> from understanding the issue? For example, how can JIRA report in Turkish be
> readable to
> an English speaker?
>
> I agree that globalized JIRA may provider more valuable information to
> outsiders. And how
> about the reporters to do the translation work? (Just a suggestion for the
> potential process :-) )
>
> Correct my if I am wrong.
>
> Ideas?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mikhail
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Spark Shen
> China Software Development Lab, IBM
>
Re: [general] accepting bug reports/patches in other languages?
Posted by Spark Shen <sm...@gmail.com>.
2007/10/18, Mikhail Loenko <ml...@gmail.com>:
>
> I like localized Wiki pages and I think we can make one more step in
> this direction.
>
> How about work out a process so that we could accept bug reports and
> patches on other languages? It does not look like something undoable.
> Usually reproducers and patches are language-independent, and assigned
> person could translate comments to English...
Sounds interesting. But will this bring more work to assignees more work or
prevent them
from understanding the issue? For example, how can JIRA report in Turkish be
readable to
an English speaker?
I agree that globalized JIRA may provider more valuable information to
outsiders. And how
about the reporters to do the translation work? (Just a suggestion for the
potential process :-) )
Correct my if I am wrong.
Ideas?
>
> Thanks,
> Mikhail
>
--
Spark Shen
China Software Development Lab, IBM