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Posted to dev@openoffice.apache.org by Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> on 2020/11/14 18:57:08 UTC
Re: Apache OpenOffice Project Information
Hi all,
After the release of AOO 4.1.8 it is time to bump this topic up again.
Our Project Information still lists SVN as Code Repository. We moved to
Git long ago.
People who look into SVN will get the impression that there is
absolutely no development going on...
Is it possible to update the data now?
Regards,
Matthias
Am 25.04.20 um 13:19 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
> Hi Andrea,
>
> Am 13.04.20 um 17:26 schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
>> On 12/04/2020 Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/site/trunk/content/doap_openoffice.rdf
>>>
>>> I would like to have it updated, esp. for the repository change from
>>> Subversion to Git.
>>>
>>> There is a tool for creating such a file:
>>> https://projects.apache.org/create.html
>> The tool is for initial creation as it says in the first lines; but it
>> doesn't harm to re-run it from scratch and ensure differences in the
>> generated XML are as expected.
>>
>>> @Andrea: You are listed as project data maintainer, is this still
>>> current?
>> I can update it, sure. If I recall correctly, this used to be done at
>> every release before we had a different way to track releases, so it's
>> been a while since the last update.
>>
>> The updates I see now, as discussed, are:
>>
>> 1. Source from Git
>>
>> 2. ISO for ODF 1.2 (ISO/IEC 26300:2015)
>>
>> Anything else? Or I will just regenerate, check the diffs with respect
>> to the current one, and commit. Of course, we can accommodate other
>> suggestions at any time, generating/editing the file is quick.
> Any news on this one?
>
> Regards,
>
> Matthias
>
>> Regards,
>> Andrea.
>>
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Re: Apache OpenOffice Project Information
Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>.
> On Nov 15, 2020, at 9:25 AM, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Marcus ha scritto:
>> Am 15.11.20 um 16:07 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>> Am 15.11.20 um 15:54 schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
>>>> Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>>
>>>> By the way: these were my first edits to the the project site after
>>>> the migration and everything was smooth, thanks a lot Dave! It really
>>>> looks good for production.
>>>
>>> Technically yes, but I recognized a slightly bigger vertical space
>>> between the topics on the main page and also the boxes on the download
>>> page. This may be a css issue. Nothing really big.
>> right, but have a look also for the fonts and font sizes. Also here are visible changes.
>
> Just to be clear: by "project site" I mean https://github.com/apache/openoffice-project not https://github.com/apache/openoffice-org which I haven't built yet.
>
> And I don't really see any difference in the project site between the "old" and "new" version, besides the underlining of links which is an easy CSS fix (if wanted; I actually prefer the staged version).
That was a test change. I prefer that the links be underlined for accessibility reasons. Meaning color blind people might have trouble noticing these hyperlinks.
> There would be room for other CSS improvements but these apply to the current https://openoffice.apache.org too.
Exactly.
Regards,
Dave
>
> Regards,
> Andrea.
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Re: Apache OpenOffice Project Information
Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>.
Hi -
> On Nov 15, 2020, at 9:56 AM, Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> Am 15.11.20 um 18:52 schrieb Dave Fisher:
>>
>>> On Nov 15, 2020, at 9:34 AM, Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Andrea,
>>>
>>> Am 15.11.20 um 18:25 schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
>>>> Marcus ha scritto:
>>>>> Am 15.11.20 um 16:07 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>>>>> Am 15.11.20 um 15:54 schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
>>>>>>> Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> By the way: these were my first edits to the the project site after
>>>>>>> the migration and everything was smooth, thanks a lot Dave! It really
>>>>>>> looks good for production.
>>>>>> Technically yes, but I recognized a slightly bigger vertical space
>>>>>> between the topics on the main page and also the boxes on the download
>>>>>> page. This may be a css issue. Nothing really big.
>>>>> right, but have a look also for the fonts and font sizes. Also here
>>>>> are visible changes.
>>>> Just to be clear: by "project site" I mean
>>>> https://github.com/apache/openoffice-project not
>>>> https://github.com/apache/openoffice-org which I haven't built yet.
>>> Yes, you are right. The project information is located on the project
>>> site. Sorry for the confusion. ;-)
>>> IMO the project site is ready for switching.
>>>> And I don't really see any difference in the project site between the
>>>> "old" and "new" version, besides the underlining of links which is an
>>>> easy CSS fix (if wanted; I actually prefer the staged version). There
>>>> would be room for other CSS improvements but these apply to the
>>>> current https://openoffice.apache.org too.
>>> The underlining has changed with my latest css commit. I didn't find the
>>> time to explain it:
>>>
>>> Permanent underlining makes the links esp. on the download page
>>> unreadable. Underlining now appears only with "mouser-over".
>>>
>>> Links are all in blue, so I changed the Heading of the pages to a grey
>>> from our logo. This way it cannot be confused with a clickable link.
>>>
>>> If these changes are OK for everyone I would like to make them also to
>>> openoffice.org.
>> The css is here: https://github.com/apache/openoffice-org/blob/main/assets/css/ooo.css
>
> I assume we now have *one* single css?
Don’t assume. I just moved the site.
We still have all the other css and I tried to make sure that these are still included in the same order.
When I was testing the Hebrew site with rtl overrides I found that I had ooo.css at the end and not the first style of the <head> block.
>
> Because on the "old" page there were used lots of them resulting in
> different layouts depending on the localized page.
We also have the product page css overrides which give us the program icons instead of bullets.
A larger question to be discussed as Marketing - Why are the product names different from the Application Quick Start?
Regards,
Dave
>
> Regards,
>
> Matthias
>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Matthias
>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Andrea.
>>>>
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Re: Apache OpenOffice Project Information
Posted by Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>.
Hi Dave,
Am 15.11.20 um 18:52 schrieb Dave Fisher:
>
>> On Nov 15, 2020, at 9:34 AM, Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Andrea,
>>
>> Am 15.11.20 um 18:25 schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
>>> Marcus ha scritto:
>>>> Am 15.11.20 um 16:07 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>>>> Am 15.11.20 um 15:54 schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
>>>>>> Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By the way: these were my first edits to the the project site after
>>>>>> the migration and everything was smooth, thanks a lot Dave! It really
>>>>>> looks good for production.
>>>>> Technically yes, but I recognized a slightly bigger vertical space
>>>>> between the topics on the main page and also the boxes on the download
>>>>> page. This may be a css issue. Nothing really big.
>>>> right, but have a look also for the fonts and font sizes. Also here
>>>> are visible changes.
>>> Just to be clear: by "project site" I mean
>>> https://github.com/apache/openoffice-project not
>>> https://github.com/apache/openoffice-org which I haven't built yet.
>> Yes, you are right. The project information is located on the project
>> site. Sorry for the confusion. ;-)
>> IMO the project site is ready for switching.
>>> And I don't really see any difference in the project site between the
>>> "old" and "new" version, besides the underlining of links which is an
>>> easy CSS fix (if wanted; I actually prefer the staged version). There
>>> would be room for other CSS improvements but these apply to the
>>> current https://openoffice.apache.org too.
>> The underlining has changed with my latest css commit. I didn't find the
>> time to explain it:
>>
>> Permanent underlining makes the links esp. on the download page
>> unreadable. Underlining now appears only with "mouser-over".
>>
>> Links are all in blue, so I changed the Heading of the pages to a grey
>> from our logo. This way it cannot be confused with a clickable link.
>>
>> If these changes are OK for everyone I would like to make them also to
>> openoffice.org.
> The css is here: https://github.com/apache/openoffice-org/blob/main/assets/css/ooo.css
I assume we now have *one* single css?
Because on the "old" page there were used lots of them resulting in
different layouts depending on the localized page.
Regards,
Matthias
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Matthias
>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Andrea.
>>>
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Re: Apache OpenOffice Project Information
Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>.
> On Nov 15, 2020, at 9:34 AM, Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>
> Hi Andrea,
>
> Am 15.11.20 um 18:25 schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
>> Marcus ha scritto:
>>> Am 15.11.20 um 16:07 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>>> Am 15.11.20 um 15:54 schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
>>>>> Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> By the way: these were my first edits to the the project site after
>>>>> the migration and everything was smooth, thanks a lot Dave! It really
>>>>> looks good for production.
>>>>
>>>> Technically yes, but I recognized a slightly bigger vertical space
>>>> between the topics on the main page and also the boxes on the download
>>>> page. This may be a css issue. Nothing really big.
>>>
>>> right, but have a look also for the fonts and font sizes. Also here
>>> are visible changes.
>>
>> Just to be clear: by "project site" I mean
>> https://github.com/apache/openoffice-project not
>> https://github.com/apache/openoffice-org which I haven't built yet.
> Yes, you are right. The project information is located on the project
> site. Sorry for the confusion. ;-)
> IMO the project site is ready for switching.
>>
>> And I don't really see any difference in the project site between the
>> "old" and "new" version, besides the underlining of links which is an
>> easy CSS fix (if wanted; I actually prefer the staged version). There
>> would be room for other CSS improvements but these apply to the
>> current https://openoffice.apache.org too.
>
> The underlining has changed with my latest css commit. I didn't find the
> time to explain it:
>
> Permanent underlining makes the links esp. on the download page
> unreadable. Underlining now appears only with "mouser-over".
>
> Links are all in blue, so I changed the Heading of the pages to a grey
> from our logo. This way it cannot be confused with a clickable link.
>
> If these changes are OK for everyone I would like to make them also to
> openoffice.org.
The css is here: https://github.com/apache/openoffice-org/blob/main/assets/css/ooo.css
Regards,
Dave
>
> Regards,
>
> Matthias
>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Andrea.
>>
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Re: Apache OpenOffice Project Information
Posted by Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>.
Hi Andrea,
Am 15.11.20 um 18:25 schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
> Marcus ha scritto:
>> Am 15.11.20 um 16:07 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>> Am 15.11.20 um 15:54 schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
>>>> Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>>
>>>> By the way: these were my first edits to the the project site after
>>>> the migration and everything was smooth, thanks a lot Dave! It really
>>>> looks good for production.
>>>
>>> Technically yes, but I recognized a slightly bigger vertical space
>>> between the topics on the main page and also the boxes on the download
>>> page. This may be a css issue. Nothing really big.
>>
>> right, but have a look also for the fonts and font sizes. Also here
>> are visible changes.
>
> Just to be clear: by "project site" I mean
> https://github.com/apache/openoffice-project not
> https://github.com/apache/openoffice-org which I haven't built yet.
Yes, you are right. The project information is located on the project
site. Sorry for the confusion. ;-)
IMO the project site is ready for switching.
>
> And I don't really see any difference in the project site between the
> "old" and "new" version, besides the underlining of links which is an
> easy CSS fix (if wanted; I actually prefer the staged version). There
> would be room for other CSS improvements but these apply to the
> current https://openoffice.apache.org too.
The underlining has changed with my latest css commit. I didn't find the
time to explain it:
Permanent underlining makes the links esp. on the download page
unreadable. Underlining now appears only with "mouser-over".
Links are all in blue, so I changed the Heading of the pages to a grey
from our logo. This way it cannot be confused with a clickable link.
If these changes are OK for everyone I would like to make them also to
openoffice.org.
Regards,
Matthias
>
> Regards,
> Andrea.
>
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Re: Apache OpenOffice Project Information
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
Marcus ha scritto:
> Am 15.11.20 um 16:07 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>> Am 15.11.20 um 15:54 schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
>>> Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>
>>> By the way: these were my first edits to the the project site after
>>> the migration and everything was smooth, thanks a lot Dave! It really
>>> looks good for production.
>>
>> Technically yes, but I recognized a slightly bigger vertical space
>> between the topics on the main page and also the boxes on the download
>> page. This may be a css issue. Nothing really big.
>
> right, but have a look also for the fonts and font sizes. Also here are
> visible changes.
Just to be clear: by "project site" I mean
https://github.com/apache/openoffice-project not
https://github.com/apache/openoffice-org which I haven't built yet.
And I don't really see any difference in the project site between the
"old" and "new" version, besides the underlining of links which is an
easy CSS fix (if wanted; I actually prefer the staged version). There
would be room for other CSS improvements but these apply to the current
https://openoffice.apache.org too.
Regards,
Andrea.
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Re: Apache OpenOffice Project Information
Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>.
Hi -
> On Nov 15, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>> On Nov 15, 2020, at 8:17 AM, Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de> wrote:
>>
>> Am 15.11.20 um 16:07 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>> Am 15.11.20 um 15:54 schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
>>>> Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>>
>>>> By the way: these were my first edits to the the project site after
>>>> the migration and everything was smooth, thanks a lot Dave! It really
>>>> looks good for production.
>>> Technically yes, but I recognized a slightly bigger vertical space
>>> between the topics on the main page and also the boxes on the download
>>> page. This may be a css issue. Nothing really big.
>>
>> right, but have a look also for the fonts and font sizes. Also here are visible changes.
>>
>> But I also think that this is just CSS and nothing big.
>
> Strange because on macOS Safari and Chrome the two sites look identical. Firefox does differ from Safari and Chrome, but the old and new are identical to each other.
>
> So, we have a small CSS issue, but not a new CSS issue.
>
> Please report your Browsers and OSs ...
Nevermind - we are not explicitly setting line-height and Firefox’s “normal” differs from the other browsers.
Regards,
Dave
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>>
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Re: Apache OpenOffice Project Information
Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>.
> On Nov 15, 2020, at 8:17 AM, Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de> wrote:
>
> Am 15.11.20 um 16:07 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>> Am 15.11.20 um 15:54 schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
>>> Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>
>>> By the way: these were my first edits to the the project site after
>>> the migration and everything was smooth, thanks a lot Dave! It really
>>> looks good for production.
>> Technically yes, but I recognized a slightly bigger vertical space
>> between the topics on the main page and also the boxes on the download
>> page. This may be a css issue. Nothing really big.
>
> right, but have a look also for the fonts and font sizes. Also here are visible changes.
>
> But I also think that this is just CSS and nothing big.
Strange because on macOS Safari and Chrome the two sites look identical. Firefox does differ from Safari and Chrome, but the old and new are identical to each other.
So, we have a small CSS issue, but not a new CSS issue.
Please report your Browsers and OSs ...
Regards,
Dave
>
> Marcus
>
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Re: Apache OpenOffice Project Information
Posted by Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 15.11.20 um 16:07 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
> Am 15.11.20 um 15:54 schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
>> Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>
>> By the way: these were my first edits to the the project site after
>> the migration and everything was smooth, thanks a lot Dave! It really
>> looks good for production.
>
> Technically yes, but I recognized a slightly bigger vertical space
> between the topics on the main page and also the boxes on the download
> page. This may be a css issue. Nothing really big.
right, but have a look also for the fonts and font sizes. Also here are
visible changes.
But I also think that this is just CSS and nothing big.
Marcus
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Re: Apache OpenOffice Project Information
Posted by Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>.
Hi Andrea,
Am 15.11.20 um 15:54 schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
> Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>> https://github.com/apache/openoffice-project/blob/main/content/doap_openoffice.rdf
>>>>
>>> I'll regenerate it from the standard template, just in case something
>>> changed there too.
>> Please update it in the new repository.
>
> Pushed. The template had indeed been updated (references to the Apache
> License) and the content is also current now, including references to
> the Git repository.
Thanks, I already copied it to our project site and published it.
However the cron job needs some time to pick up the new information:
https://projects.apache.org/project.html?openoffice
>
> By the way: these were my first edits to the the project site after
> the migration and everything was smooth, thanks a lot Dave! It really
> looks good for production.
Technically yes, but I recognized a slightly bigger vertical space
between the topics on the main page and also the boxes on the download
page. This may be a css issue. Nothing really big.
Regards,
Matthias
>
> Regards,
> Andrea.
>
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Re: Apache OpenOffice Project Information
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>> https://github.com/apache/openoffice-project/blob/main/content/doap_openoffice.rdf
>> I'll regenerate it from the standard template, just in case something
>> changed there too.
> Please update it in the new repository.
Pushed. The template had indeed been updated (references to the Apache
License) and the content is also current now, including references to
the Git repository.
By the way: these were my first edits to the the project site after the
migration and everything was smooth, thanks a lot Dave! It really looks
good for production.
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Re: Apache OpenOffice Project Information
Posted by Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>.
Hi Andrea,
Am 14.11.20 um 23:04 schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
> Dave Fisher wrote:
>> The file in question is here:
>> https://github.com/apache/openoffice-project/blob/main/content/doap_openoffice.rdf
>>
>
> You can leave further updates to this file to me for this weekend.
> I'll regenerate it from the standard template, just in case something
> changed there too.
>
> I mean I'll update the copy in the new repository, not the online one:
> if I got it correctly, we don't have a process for bringing all
> updates from the old infrastructure (which is still writable, right?)
> to the new one, so I will push to the new repositories only.
Thanks for that!
Please update it in the new repository.
But I'd like to have that information updated asap, so I will probably
copy it to online version in SVN then.
Regards,
Matthias
>
> Regards,
> Andrea.
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Re: Apache OpenOffice Project Information
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
Dave Fisher wrote:
> The file in question is here:
> https://github.com/apache/openoffice-project/blob/main/content/doap_openoffice.rdf
You can leave further updates to this file to me for this weekend. I'll
regenerate it from the standard template, just in case something changed
there too.
I mean I'll update the copy in the new repository, not the online one:
if I got it correctly, we don't have a process for bringing all updates
from the old infrastructure (which is still writable, right?) to the new
one, so I will push to the new repositories only.
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Re: Apache OpenOffice Project Information
Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>.
The file in question is here:
https://github.com/apache/openoffice-project/blob/main/content/doap_openoffice.rdf <https://github.com/apache/openoffice-project/blob/main/content/doap_openoffice.rdf>
Compare it with this:
https://projects.apache.org/project.html?openoffice <https://projects.apache.org/project.html?openoffice>
If you update it the new git then that will go live once we make the switch.
Regards,
Dave
> On Nov 14, 2020, at 10:57 AM, Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> After the release of AOO 4.1.8 it is time to bump this topic up again.
>
> Our Project Information still lists SVN as Code Repository. We moved to
> Git long ago.
> People who look into SVN will get the impression that there is
> absolutely no development going on...
>
> Is it possible to update the data now?
>
> Regards,
>
> Matthias
>
> Am 25.04.20 um 13:19 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>> Hi Andrea,
>>
>> Am 13.04.20 um 17:26 schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
>>> On 12/04/2020 Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/site/trunk/content/doap_openoffice.rdf
>>>>
>>>> I would like to have it updated, esp. for the repository change from
>>>> Subversion to Git.
>>>>
>>>> There is a tool for creating such a file:
>>>> https://projects.apache.org/create.html
>>> The tool is for initial creation as it says in the first lines; but it
>>> doesn't harm to re-run it from scratch and ensure differences in the
>>> generated XML are as expected.
>>>
>>>> @Andrea: You are listed as project data maintainer, is this still
>>>> current?
>>> I can update it, sure. If I recall correctly, this used to be done at
>>> every release before we had a different way to track releases, so it's
>>> been a while since the last update.
>>>
>>> The updates I see now, as discussed, are:
>>>
>>> 1. Source from Git
>>>
>>> 2. ISO for ODF 1.2 (ISO/IEC 26300:2015)
>>>
>>> Anything else? Or I will just regenerate, check the diffs with respect
>>> to the current one, and commit. Of course, we can accommodate other
>>> suggestions at any time, generating/editing the file is quick.
>> Any news on this one?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Matthias
>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Andrea.
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