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Re: European Commission Workshop day on Open-Source Sustainability
On Fri, Oct 28, 2022 at 11:42 AM Dirk-Willem van Gulik
<di...@webweaving.org> wrote:
>
> On 28 Oct 2022, at 17:27, Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com> wrote:
>
> > Absolutely - that is great to have such support.
> >
> > I was a bit afraid that my points might be much more "private" than
> > the "ASF" voice in general so having the opportunity to get comms
> > involvement for such a potentially "wavy" event is cool.
>
> Well - regardless - unless we manage to create something like a position paper & get board approval -- any interaction at this level will always be on a personal basis.
>
> And even then - it is just that paper that represents the view of the ASF; not a person.
>
> I.e. one cannot speak on behalf of the ASF; only talk about what you personally think would work well according to your view on the apache community.
Agreed that these interactions are not "official" and I'd hope anybody
participating would be careful to mention their statements, etc. are
as individuals who are members/contributors (whatever is appropriate)
and not official statements on behalf of the foundation. (Unless there
is one.)
That said... the more we can speak with one voice and prep folks, the better.
--
Joe Brockmeier
Vice President Marketing & Publicity
jzb@apache.org
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Re: European Commission Workshop day on Open-Source Sustainability
Posted by Dirk-Willem van Gulik <di...@webweaving.org>.
Another one that came up during the prep time (and repost of the older Erasmus one as they strengthe each other):
- Erasmus program for open source -- have 6 months of bursary / grant to work on open source near the tail end of your studies
- at a facility large enough to be able to build a pool of talent / ongoing experience, habits and culture & convey culture / capture.
- Open source developer 'in residence'; with a salary & relocation / temporary housing stipend
- e.g. the concept where an open source developer can work for 6 to 24 month in an appropriate setting to work on open source in the public interret
- potentially combined with above to also have a pool of 'mentors' physically available
- Travel fund which lets any student in STEM visit, during thier study, twice an open source event (e.g. like FOSDEM)
and -also- funds any person with an accepted talk or workshop.
Just to add to the list of 'what is next'.
With kind regards,
Dw
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Re: European Commission Workshop day on Open-Source Sustainability
Posted by Dirk-Willem van Gulik <di...@webweaving.org>.
All,
As Michiel cannot be present - may make sense for those that participate to also have a look at their analysis on:
https://blog.nlnetlabs.nl/open-source-software-vs-the-cyber-resilience-act/
as it appears that that topic may well get introduced by the various moderators.
With kind regards,
Dw
Re: European Commission Workshop day on Open-Source Sustainability
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Hi,
As I didn't receive any update, I didn't book travel to Brussels.
Thanks DW for preparing the document !
I was swamped in several meetings and not able to join the call, sorry
about that.
Regards
JB
On Tue, Nov 29, 2022 at 7:40 PM Dirk-Willem van Gulik
<di...@webweaving.org.invalid> wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> Several of us are now either on panels or going to this event (at least 4 in 3 panels; or petty much every panel if I take the 'Friends of Apache' a bit more liberal).
>
> I understood from Roman that, while he will be there, the ASF will not have any formal position at this event - or a specific message they want to get across. But I've not managed to prepare something with him in an apache contrext.
>
> So would it make sense if those that go to have a short chat tomorrow evening, 1900 CET time in a general 'friends of open source and apache' sort of way ? Just to make sure that we more or less prioritise what we think is important / not create noice that dillutes something we all agree on.
>
> I've created:
>
> https://meet.jit.si/moderated/6a0e28986b76ede1082453b5db022b71a6e1de734c93d138e79b5ab3c08f410a
>
> to prepare a bit. I've gathered what I read on
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JuPPcktiLpr9ei3r9n0JDhP2UTW7s5suLt_XAtmAeQU/edit?usp=sharing
>
> And would be nice to know who is there (happy to add you to a participants signal with limited life-time/auto-delete chat if you DM me a number).
>
> With kind regards,
>
> Dw
>
>
>
> EU-Workshop -- Informal prep Chat for Friends of Open Source and Apache
> Scheduled: 30 Nov 2022 at 18:45 to 19:45, CET
> Location: https://meet.jit.si/moderated/6a0e28986b76ede1082453b5db022b71a6e1de734c93d138e79b5ab3c08f410a
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Re: European Commission Workshop day on Open-Source Sustainability
Posted by Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com>.
Good for me. I **might** be late 15 minutes (but I will try to finish
my earlier call a bit before to be on time.
On Tue, Nov 29, 2022 at 7:40 PM Dirk-Willem van Gulik
<di...@webweaving.org.invalid> wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> Several of us are now either on panels or going to this event (at least 4 in 3 panels; or petty much every panel if I take the 'Friends of Apache' a bit more liberal).
>
> I understood from Roman that, while he will be there, the ASF will not have any formal position at this event - or a specific message they want to get across. But I've not managed to prepare something with him in an apache contrext.
>
> So would it make sense if those that go to have a short chat tomorrow evening, 1900 CET time in a general 'friends of open source and apache' sort of way ? Just to make sure that we more or less prioritise what we think is important / not create noice that dillutes something we all agree on.
>
> I've created:
>
> https://meet.jit.si/moderated/6a0e28986b76ede1082453b5db022b71a6e1de734c93d138e79b5ab3c08f410a
>
> to prepare a bit. I've gathered what I read on
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JuPPcktiLpr9ei3r9n0JDhP2UTW7s5suLt_XAtmAeQU/edit?usp=sharing
>
> And would be nice to know who is there (happy to add you to a participants signal with limited life-time/auto-delete chat if you DM me a number).
>
> With kind regards,
>
> Dw
>
>
>
> EU-Workshop -- Informal prep Chat for Friends of Open Source and Apache
> Scheduled: 30 Nov 2022 at 18:45 to 19:45, CET
> Location: https://meet.jit.si/moderated/6a0e28986b76ede1082453b5db022b71a6e1de734c93d138e79b5ab3c08f410a
>
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Re: European Commission Workshop day on Open-Source Sustainability
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>.
Apologies, unable to make this, was planning to, but work meetings intervened.
Gj
On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 12:11 PM Gilles Sadowski <gi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello.
>
> Le mar. 29 nov. 2022 à 19:40, Dirk-Willem van Gulik
> <di...@webweaving.org.invalid> a écrit :
> >
> > Folks,
> >
> > Several of us are now either on panels or going to this event (at least 4 in 3 panels; or petty much every panel if I take the 'Friends of Apache' a bit more liberal).
> >
> > I understood from Roman that, while he will be there, the ASF will not have any formal position at this event - or a specific message they want to get across. But I've not managed to prepare something with him in an apache contrext.
> >
> > So would it make sense if those that go to have a short chat tomorrow evening, 1900 CET time in a general 'friends of open source and apache' sort of way ? Just to make sure that we more or less prioritise what we think is important / not create noice that dillutes something we all agree on.
> >
> > I've created:
> >
> > https://meet.jit.si/moderated/6a0e28986b76ede1082453b5db022b71a6e1de734c93d138e79b5ab3c08f410a
> >
> > to prepare a bit. I've gathered what I read on
> >
> > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JuPPcktiLpr9ei3r9n0JDhP2UTW7s5suLt_XAtmAeQU/edit?usp=sharing
>
> Perhaps a word that should be mentioned there is "patent" (as a reminder
> of what not to do if FLOSS is considered beneficial for society).
>
> >
> > And would be nice to know who is there (happy to add you to a participants signal with limited life-time/auto-delete chat if you DM me a number).
>
> I'll attend the conference next Friday.
> [It will be a rare (for me) occasion to meet ASF people in person.]
>
> >
> > With kind regards,
> >
> > Dw
> >
> >
> >
> > EU-Workshop -- Informal prep Chat for Friends of Open Source and Apache
> > Scheduled: 30 Nov 2022 at 18:45 to 19:45, CET
>
> Unfortunately, I won't be able to connect at that time.
>
> Best regards,
> Gilles
>
> > Location: https://meet.jit.si/moderated/6a0e28986b76ede1082453b5db022b71a6e1de734c93d138e79b5ab3c08f410a
>
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Re: European Commission Workshop day on Open-Source Sustainability
Posted by Gilles Sadowski <gi...@gmail.com>.
Hello.
Le mar. 29 nov. 2022 à 19:40, Dirk-Willem van Gulik
<di...@webweaving.org.invalid> a écrit :
>
> Folks,
>
> Several of us are now either on panels or going to this event (at least 4 in 3 panels; or petty much every panel if I take the 'Friends of Apache' a bit more liberal).
>
> I understood from Roman that, while he will be there, the ASF will not have any formal position at this event - or a specific message they want to get across. But I've not managed to prepare something with him in an apache contrext.
>
> So would it make sense if those that go to have a short chat tomorrow evening, 1900 CET time in a general 'friends of open source and apache' sort of way ? Just to make sure that we more or less prioritise what we think is important / not create noice that dillutes something we all agree on.
>
> I've created:
>
> https://meet.jit.si/moderated/6a0e28986b76ede1082453b5db022b71a6e1de734c93d138e79b5ab3c08f410a
>
> to prepare a bit. I've gathered what I read on
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JuPPcktiLpr9ei3r9n0JDhP2UTW7s5suLt_XAtmAeQU/edit?usp=sharing
Perhaps a word that should be mentioned there is "patent" (as a reminder
of what not to do if FLOSS is considered beneficial for society).
>
> And would be nice to know who is there (happy to add you to a participants signal with limited life-time/auto-delete chat if you DM me a number).
I'll attend the conference next Friday.
[It will be a rare (for me) occasion to meet ASF people in person.]
>
> With kind regards,
>
> Dw
>
>
>
> EU-Workshop -- Informal prep Chat for Friends of Open Source and Apache
> Scheduled: 30 Nov 2022 at 18:45 to 19:45, CET
Unfortunately, I won't be able to connect at that time.
Best regards,
Gilles
> Location: https://meet.jit.si/moderated/6a0e28986b76ede1082453b5db022b71a6e1de734c93d138e79b5ab3c08f410a
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Re: European Commission Workshop day on Open-Source Sustainability
Posted by Dirk-Willem van Gulik <di...@webweaving.org.INVALID>.
Folks,
Several of us are now either on panels or going to this event (at least 4 in 3 panels; or petty much every panel if I take the 'Friends of Apache' a bit more liberal).
I understood from Roman that, while he will be there, the ASF will not have any formal position at this event - or a specific message they want to get across. But I've not managed to prepare something with him in an apache contrext.
So would it make sense if those that go to have a short chat tomorrow evening, 1900 CET time in a general 'friends of open source and apache' sort of way ? Just to make sure that we more or less prioritise what we think is important / not create noice that dillutes something we all agree on.
I've created:
https://meet.jit.si/moderated/6a0e28986b76ede1082453b5db022b71a6e1de734c93d138e79b5ab3c08f410a <https://meet.jit.si/moderated/6a0e28986b76ede1082453b5db022b71a6e1de734c93d138e79b5ab3c08f410a>
to prepare a bit. I've gathered what I read on
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JuPPcktiLpr9ei3r9n0JDhP2UTW7s5suLt_XAtmAeQU/edit?usp=sharing <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JuPPcktiLpr9ei3r9n0JDhP2UTW7s5suLt_XAtmAeQU/edit?usp=sharing>
And would be nice to know who is there (happy to add you to a participants signal with limited life-time/auto-delete chat if you DM me a number).
With kind regards,
Dw
EU-Workshop -- Informal prep Chat for Friends of Open Source and Apache
Scheduled: 30 Nov 2022 at 18:45 to 19:45, CET
Location: https://meet.jit.si/moderated/6a0e28986b76ede1082453b5db022b71a6e1de734c93d138e79b5ab3c08f410a
Re: European Commission Workshop day on Open-Source Sustainability
Posted by Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>.
On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 6:27 PM Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com> wrote:
>
> I am also scheduled for the "Workshop 3.4 Exploring practical solutions to
> ensure long term sustainability of open source software".
I'm now signed up to be on the:
"1.4: Identifying, fixing and managing critical open source software
used by European Public Services."
> Geertjan - agree on both - beer a day before and a zoom call to prepare -
> likely with Molly/Joe involved to get their help on messaging, and view.
+1. Should we pick up a venue as well?
> Related to what DW wrote - yep. We should always speak as individuals, but
> I think we can be better prepared and not caught by "press" if we got some
> kind of briefing from Molly/Joe. I have no experience speaking at EU
> forums, but I remember when I was speaking at a big banking conference when
> I was in a small Mobile Payment startup, I appreciated a lot all the
> briefing, help and suggestions from the people with PR/Marketing experience
> and I think that was one of the best prepared talks of mine.
> (I actually quit the startup soon after because I realized at that very
> conference that what our CEO was selling us internally was a complete
> dreampipe, but that's a completely different story :D).
>
> Best time for me is Tuesday, Thursday or Friday next week - anything
> before 3pm CET should work.
Works for me as well!
Thanks,
Roman.
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Re: European Commission Workshop day on Open-Source Sustainability
Posted by Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com>.
I am also scheduled for the "Workshop 3.4 Exploring practical solutions to
ensure long term sustainability of open source software".
Geertjan - agree on both - beer a day before and a zoom call to prepare -
likely with Molly/Joe involved to get their help on messaging, and view.
Related to what DW wrote - yep. We should always speak as individuals, but
I think we can be better prepared and not caught by "press" if we got some
kind of briefing from Molly/Joe. I have no experience speaking at EU
forums, but I remember when I was speaking at a big banking conference when
I was in a small Mobile Payment startup, I appreciated a lot all the
briefing, help and suggestions from the people with PR/Marketing experience
and I think that was one of the best prepared talks of mine.
(I actually quit the startup soon after because I realized at that very
conference that what our CEO was selling us internally was a complete
dreampipe, but that's a completely different story :D).
Best time for me is Tuesday, Thursday or Friday next week - anything
before 3pm CET should work.
J.
On Fri, Nov 4, 2022 at 7:50 PM Geertjan Wielenga
<ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> I’m scheduled for the panel on open source and the public sector.
>
> Maybe everyone from Apache who will be involved in one way or another
> should do a Zoom call just to chat about it all, see where the overlaps and
> cross-panel strategies are, and have drinks before/after the event itself
> in Brussels, I’d be very keen for both.
>
> Gj
>
> On Fri, 4 Nov 2022 at 10:58, Joe Brockmeier <jz...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Oct 28, 2022 at 11:42 AM Dirk-Willem van Gulik
> > <di...@webweaving.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > On 28 Oct 2022, at 17:27, Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Absolutely - that is great to have such support.
> > > >
> > > > I was a bit afraid that my points might be much more "private" than
> > > > the "ASF" voice in general so having the opportunity to get comms
> > > > involvement for such a potentially "wavy" event is cool.
> > >
> > > Well - regardless - unless we manage to create something like a
> position
> > paper & get board approval -- any interaction at this level will always
> be
> > on a personal basis.
> > >
> > > And even then - it is just that paper that represents the view of the
> > ASF; not a person.
> > >
> > > I.e. one cannot speak on behalf of the ASF; only talk about what you
> > personally think would work well according to your view on the apache
> > community.
> >
> > Agreed that these interactions are not "official" and I'd hope anybody
> > participating would be careful to mention their statements, etc. are
> > as individuals who are members/contributors (whatever is appropriate)
> > and not official statements on behalf of the foundation. (Unless there
> > is one.)
> >
> > That said... the more we can speak with one voice and prep folks, the
> > better.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Joe Brockmeier
> > Vice President Marketing & Publicity
> > jzb@apache.org
> >
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Re: European Commission Workshop day on Open-Source Sustainability
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>.
I’m scheduled for the panel on open source and the public sector.
Maybe everyone from Apache who will be involved in one way or another
should do a Zoom call just to chat about it all, see where the overlaps and
cross-panel strategies are, and have drinks before/after the event itself
in Brussels, I’d be very keen for both.
Gj
On Fri, 4 Nov 2022 at 10:58, Joe Brockmeier <jz...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 28, 2022 at 11:42 AM Dirk-Willem van Gulik
> <di...@webweaving.org> wrote:
> >
> > On 28 Oct 2022, at 17:27, Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Absolutely - that is great to have such support.
> > >
> > > I was a bit afraid that my points might be much more "private" than
> > > the "ASF" voice in general so having the opportunity to get comms
> > > involvement for such a potentially "wavy" event is cool.
> >
> > Well - regardless - unless we manage to create something like a position
> paper & get board approval -- any interaction at this level will always be
> on a personal basis.
> >
> > And even then - it is just that paper that represents the view of the
> ASF; not a person.
> >
> > I.e. one cannot speak on behalf of the ASF; only talk about what you
> personally think would work well according to your view on the apache
> community.
>
> Agreed that these interactions are not "official" and I'd hope anybody
> participating would be careful to mention their statements, etc. are
> as individuals who are members/contributors (whatever is appropriate)
> and not official statements on behalf of the foundation. (Unless there
> is one.)
>
> That said... the more we can speak with one voice and prep folks, the
> better.
>
>
>
> --
> Joe Brockmeier
> Vice President Marketing & Publicity
> jzb@apache.org
>
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